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Hi all,
Firstly, I apologize for my poor grammatical styles when I have written as I have done in this thread, but for this season these are my best-efforts, as I always strive to do. I noticed that others also sometimes blog with difficult and lengthy sentences, but in the end I hope it does not seriously deter the learning I hope we can all accomplish as we all make these efforts to learn from one another, as the Bereans learned from Paul.
Secondly, thanks for your comments Rex that were enlightening and hopeful to me, and I also thank you too Veteran for elaborating on your “present” views.
Veteran, my last comment #56 was because I concluded that your own personal faith in what our Holy God is working to accomplish in the world through apocalyptic scripture was similar to my own faith when you wrote that:
“Seems you're struggling with that Greek word and usage, but I don't know why. All that 1Cor.13:8 Scripture is saying is that even prophecy will eventually lose it's purpose once the event happens, or passes away in history. (Not all prophecy, but the majority of prophecies). It's translated in other places in the KJV as "of none effect", 'abolished', 'I put away', 'come to nought', 'without effect', etc.
It just means, it's over when it's over.”
Even though with our present levels of knowledge nowadays we all may oftentimes see through a glass darkly (*a), and so we may presently disagree on various points of scriptural interpretation concerning the-whole-truth that will eventually be revealed in regards to our Shekhinah God's ongoing tireless-efforts and eternal-vision for us “all”, yet I pray that everyone will eventually agree that our Father God will always be sovereign while immeasurably-merciful with His ongoing choices, of overseeing a culture's chastening(s) in order to more righteously and justly fulfill His eternal vision for us “all” via the tireless and sacrificial efforts of His Holy Angels, (*d) while at the same time also showing mercy during a particular era to some cultures, as He did with the Hebrews' Exodus from Egypt.
His eternal vision is tirelessly being accomplished so that “all” of His children, red and yellow black and white, might be “taught” via the sacrifices of His Holy Angels, and - or via His gracious mercy through His Holy Spirit our Comforter, concerning “why” it is in their best interests to continually reprove another “family” member or “neighbor” to repent whenever anyone subtly slips towards unrighteousness or overt sin as taught in Leviticus 19:17-18. And via His heavenly host we are all maturing into a better understanding of the peer-pressure ripple-effect consequences of those errs. Lest for an extended period some would continually choose the self-destructive pleasures of their errs, in lieu of the eternal joy and happiness of abiding in God's righteousness, which ultimately at the end of the age could cause some to be “left-behind” whenever a nova-blast sterilization-event (+) will occur to the earth. (*b ) [Hebrews & Revelation 21]
[Note (+): I would encourage some Berean type converts to ponder the validity of the ageless efforts of the Heavenly Host, via a more thorough understanding of “Old Earth Creationism”, in order to better comprehend the ageless vision that has always been within our Father God's heart and soul for “us-all”, from long before the foundation of the world, since these cataclysmic “remodeling” events have historically occurred many times in the past, as evidenced by the earth's “index-fossil” records, which for many Berean disciples this knowledge has convinced them of earth's super-ancient history.]
And IF our Creator God should ever sovereignly decide to “allow” the devil Beelzebub, [i.e. the quasi-powerless lord of the flies (*c)], to fulfill various apocalyptic prophecies via an extreme-worst-case “literal” interpretation of various doctrines-of-men, (simply because no-one, or too few, sought for Jesus' wisdom, courage and strength to become Holy in order to stand in the gap for their culture), then this is His sovereign decision in order that He might be glorified in the earth as best as His sacrificially-holy heavenly-host could accomplish during a future tribulating season of “chastening-judgment.” Howbeit we should be encouraged that these “judgments” would simultaneously “always” fulfill the “encouraging” prophecies within Romans 14:11 and James 2:13 and 1 John 3:8 and John 3:17, so that our Heavenly Father's mercy will ultimately triumph over all chastening judgments that were sacrificially done in the best interests of His prodigal creation.
From a review of history, our Father God's righteous and perfectly-just chastening judgments have always inevitably occurred whenever far-far too many of His prodigal children continued-to-remain non-empathetic and hardhearted towards His sacrificial and Holy efforts, and the sufferings of many who have been enslaved by the devil-Beelzebub, and would then remain faithless and spiritually-indolent or even Laodicean.
Nonetheless scripture is plain that our Father God will continue to work with “us-all” in His prodigal creation, until “we-all” would become unchangeably “mature” concerning our “love” for others, in a similar way as our Christ Jesus and His Heavenly Father are unchangeably “mature” in their “love” for us. (*b ) [Leviticus 19:17-18]
The primary reason for this post is that these straightforward views concerning our Heavenly Father's efforts in our behalf were powerfully enlightened to me several seasons ago after I downloaded and pondered the attached picture “New Jerusalem For The Saints .gif”, which has subsequently prompted a maturing-season within my heart and soul since then. So I have been en-couraged to re-post that picture here today, with the hope that perhaps it will similarly promote a maturing season or a conversion or a re-conversion in some others who would see it and would “ponder” its potential-validity.
Thank you everyone for your posts. They will eventually be helpful to everyone who might someday read this thread.
Shalom in Jesus,
A Servant of Jesus Christ
John 10&15&17 & Revelation 21 & John 16:13-14 & John 8:31-32
John 16:13-14 Howbeit when He, the Spirit of truth, is come, He will guide you into all truth: for He shall not speak of Himself; but whatsoever He shall hear, that shall He speak: and He will shew you things to come. He shall glorify me: for He shall receive of me, and shall shew it unto you.
John 8:31-32 To the Jews who had believed him, Jesus said, “If you hold to my teaching, you are really my disciples. Then you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.”
Scripture references in the text:
Leviticus 19:17-18 Do not hate a fellow Israelite in your heart. Rebuke your neighbor frankly so you will not share in their guilt. Do not seek revenge or bear a grudge against anyone among your people, but love your neighbor as yourself. I am the Lord.
Romans 14:11 For it is written, “As I live, says the Lord, every knee shall bow to Me, And every tongue shall give praise to God.”
James 2:13 Because judgment without mercy will be shown to anyone who has not been merciful, (howbeit) mercy triumphs over judgment.
1 John 3:8 The person who lives a sinful life is enslaved to the devil, because the devil has been committing sin since the beginning. The reason that the Son of God appeared was to destroy the works the devil does.
John 3:17 For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him.
{<>Note (*a): 1 Corinthians 13:12 For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known. <>}
{<>Note (*b ) given below: (Romans 2:13-15; Matthew 16:18; Romans 14:11; Matthew 12:40; 1Peter 3:18-20; Ephesians 4:1-16)<>}
Romans 2:13-15 For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified. For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves: which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another.
Matthew 16:18 And upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.
Romans 14:11 For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God.
Matthew 12:40 For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the whale’s belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.
1Peter 3:18-20 But quickened by the Spirit: by which also He went and preached unto the spirits in prison; which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.
Ephesians 4:1-16:: 1 I therefore, the prisoner of the Lord, beseech you that ye walk worthy of the vocation wherewith ye are called, 2 with all lowliness and meekness, with longsuffering, forbearing one another in love; 3 endeavouring to keep the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace. 4 There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling; 5 one Lord, one faith, one baptism, 6 one God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all. 7 But unto every one of us is given grace according to the measure of the gift of Christ. 8 Wherefore he saith, When he ascended up on high, he led captivity captive, and gave gifts unto men. 9 (Now that he ascended, what is it but that he also descended first into the lower parts of the earth? 10 He that descended is the same also that ascended up far above all heavens, that he might fill all things.) 11 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers; 12 for the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ: 13 till we “all” come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ: 14 that we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive; 15 but speaking the truth in love , may grow up into him in all things, which is the head, even Christ: 16 from whom the whole body fitly joined together and compacted by that which every joint supplieth, according to the effectual working in the measure of every part, maketh increase of the body unto the edifying of itself in love.
{<>Note (*c) given below: (Matthew 28:18; Matthew 12:24; Luke 11:15; John 15:1-17)<>}
Matthew 28:18-20 Then Jesus came to them and said, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.”
Matthew 12:24 But when the Pharisees heard this, they said, “It is only by Beelzebul, the prince of demons, that this fellow drives out demons.”
Luke 11:15 But some of them said, “He casteth out devils through Beelzebub the chief of the devils.”
John 15:1-17: 1 I am the true vine, and my Father is the husbandman. 2 Every branch in me that beareth not fruit he taketh away: and every branch that beareth fruit, he purgeth it, that it may bring forth more fruit. 3 Now ye are clean through the word which I have spoken unto you. 4 Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me. 5 I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing. 6 If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned. 7 If ye abide in me, and my words abide in you, ye shall ask what ye will, and it shall be done unto you. 8 Herein is my Father glorified, that ye bear much fruit; so shall ye be my disciples. 9 As the Father hath loved me, so have I loved you: continue ye in my love. 10 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father’s commandments, and abide in his love. 11 These things have I spoken unto you, that my joy might remain in you, and that your joy might be full. 12 This is my commandment, That ye love one another, as I have loved you. 13 Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends. 14 Ye are my friends, if ye do whatsoever I command you. 15 Henceforth I call you not servants; for the servant knoweth not what his lord doeth: but I have called you friends; for all things that I have heard of my Father I have made known unto you. 16 Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit, and that your fruit should remain: that whatsoever ye shall ask of the Father in my name, he may give it you. 17 These things I command you, that ye love one another.
{<>Note (*d) given below: 1Peter 3:19 & 2Peter 2:4 & Jude 1:6<>}
1 Peter 3:19-20 By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison; which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.
2 Peter 2:4 For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment.
Jude 1:6 And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.
((-:<> Sidenote: Preparing the four soils in Matthew 13:1-23 & Mark 4:1-20 & Luke 8:1-15 for Jesus' soon return will be what was used to righteously and justly sift and sort-out Jesus' future bride as prophesied in Matthew 24:27-28 & Luke 17:24-37. Many of the first will be last and the last first. Revelation 21 <>)
Matthew 24:27-28 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.
Luke 17:24-37: 24 For as the lightning, that lighteneth out of the one part under heaven, shineth unto the other part under heaven; so shall also the Son of man be in his day. 25 But first must he suffer many things, and be rejected of this generation. 26 And as it was in the days of Noe, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man. 27 They did eat, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all. 28 Likewise also as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded; 29 but the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all. 30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed. 31 In that day, he which shall be upon the housetop, and his stuff in the house, let him not come down to take it away: and he that is in the field, let him likewise not return back. 32 Remember Lot’s wife. 33 Whosoever shall seek to save his life shall lose it; and whosoever shall lose his life shall preserve it. 34 I tell you, in that night there shall be two men in one bed; the one shall be taken, and the other shall be left. 35 Two women shall be grinding together; the one shall be taken, and the other left. 36 Two men shall be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left. 37 And they answered and said unto him, Where, Lord? And he said unto them, Wheresoever the body is, thither will the eagles be gathered together.
PS any further "edifying", "wholesome" and helpful comments anyone?
PPS
Hi again all,
I thought I would continue with some further thoughts during this effort today that would expand on what I posted moments ago.
My own faith as the Berean type of convert that I am, (which is also the faith of many other “Luke 22:32_KJV” types of “converts” that I know), is that Revelation 9:15 which prophecies that “1/3_rd of mankind will be destroyed” will have obviously failed – katargeo, whenever Jesus' Church “matures” enough to not “need” this particular apocalyptic-judgment-prophecy anymore.
Since from the first day that Revelation 9:15 was published and circulated to the earliest converts and re-converts, in our Father God's wisdom it was obviously “needed” to en-courage many of Jesus' joint-heir ambassadors to strive to obey the Lord continually with “all” of their heart and “all” of their mind on a daily basis, in order to continually discern and choose good choices over somewhat evil choices, and to discern the Holy Spirit's warfare against the-devil Beelzebub within their own life-efforts and also within their culture. And so these joint-heir ambassadors would then be willing to be continually trained, sifted and chastened to stand-in-the-gap for their various cultures, in order to totally prevent or to minimize many judgment prophecies from being fulfilled via the-devil who is always working to accomplish the worst-case concerning all doctrines-of-men. [Isaiah 29:13-14] By oftentimes using those same prophecies to seduce un-converted souls, as he had similarly accomplished with the Apostle Paul before his conversion, whenever the-devil seduced him concerning our Shekhinah Father God's immeasurable goodness by using various Old Testament scriptures and myths legends and fables that were circulated in Paul's day. So we are now taught by Paul and others to rightly divide the scriptures lest we would be eternally ashamed, and to not become seduced by cunningly devised Jewish fables. [Titus 1:14-16]
And these apocalyptic judgment prophecies were also needed to “compel” His joint-heirs to rise-up and teach a good-news gospel version of the fulfillment of these apocalyptic prophecies, that would impart “faith” “love” “hope” and “strengthening-encouragement” (*a) by NOT including a “fatalistic” and therefore self-fulfilling view of inevitable massive death and destruction throughout our world. Years ago during a substantial crisis-time for our nation, immediately before he was chosen to become vice-president, Mr. Al Gore was “discerning” and also very courageous to mention this “self-fulfilling” paradigm concerning apocalyptic doctrines-of-men in his book, “The Earth in the Balance.” Which since then has compelled many new converts over the years to be willing to give their lives if that is what might occur to make a difference, and to stand-in-the-gap for their nation so that Jesus' Kingdom would be built-up within it.
This “mature” message of good-news within the apocalyptic scriptures “faithfully” “trusts” in the “sovereignty” of our merciful Father God of love and peace, [2Corinthians 13:11] to continually make the choices to send-forth much-more of His Spirit to enlighten and empower His converted Saints, [Luke 11:13] so they could effectively work to stand-in-the-gap in order to preclude the-devil's worst-case most literal fulfillment concerning all the apocalyptic “judgment” scriptures.
Some Berean type disciples have recognized that Our Father God has also trained many converts within Iran who are continually sacrificing their own lives to sway many of their countrymen to change their present view that the apocalyptic scriptures “must-be” fulfilled in their literal worst-case interpretation, prior to the Messiah, (Isa), the virgin born Jesus of Nazareth, returning in the air as the New Testament prophecies will someday occur. “Most” Muslims have this same “fatalistic” view as “most” American “evangelicals”, while they also similarly believe that our Jesus, (Isa), will enforce His Kingdom of justice and peace throughout the world after His glory and power will be revealed in the air someday.
At the end of this age within every culture the “Holy” prophecy of a “Holy” “converted” James will someday be fulfilled concerning all the apocalyptic prophecies, to the shame of a few hardened souls, but ultimately for our Eternal Father God to be greatly glorified as James wrote: “Judgment without mercy will be shown to anyone who has not been merciful, (howbeit) mercy will triumph over judgment.” [James 2:13]
Thank you everyone for your posts. They will eventually be helpful to everyone who might someday read this thread.
Shalom in Jesus,
A Servant of Jesus Christ
John 10&15&17 & Revelation 21 & John 16:13-14 & John 8:31-32
John 16:13-14 Howbeit when He, the Spirit of truth, is come, He will guide you into all truth: for He shall not speak of Himself; but whatsoever He shall hear, that shall He speak: and He will shew you things to come. He shall glorify me: for He shall receive of me, and shall shew it unto you.
John 8:31-32 To the Jews who had believed him, Jesus said, “If you hold to my teaching, you are really my disciples. Then you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.”
[<>Note (*a): Luke 22:32 But I have prayed for thee, that thy faith fail not: and when thou art converted, strengthen thy brethren.<>]
Isaiah 29:13-14 Wherefore the Lord said, Forasmuch as this people draw near me with their mouth, and with their lips do honour me, but have removed their heart far from me, and their fear toward me is taught by the precept of men: therefore, behold, I will proceed to do a marvellous work among this people, even a marvellous work and a wonder: for the wisdom of their wise men shall perish, and the understanding of their prudent men shall be hid.
Titus 1:14-16 Not giving heed to Jewish fables and commandments of men that turn from the truth. To the pure all things are pure, but to those who are defiled and unbelieving nothing is pure; but even their mind and conscience are defiled. They profess to know God, but in works they deny Him, being abominable, disobedient, and disqualified for every good work.
Luke 11:13 If you then, being evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to those who ask Him!”
James 2:13 Because judgment without mercy will be shown to anyone who has not been merciful, (howbeit) mercy triumphs over judgment.
PPPS any further "edifying", "wholesome" and helpful comments anyone?
Hi all,
Firstly, I apologize for my poor grammatical styles when I have written as I have done in this thread, but for this season these are my best-efforts, as I always strive to do. I noticed that others also sometimes blog with difficult and lengthy sentences, but in the end I hope it does not seriously deter the learning I hope we can all accomplish as we all make these efforts to learn from one another, as the Bereans learned from Paul.
Secondly, thanks for your comments Rex that were enlightening and hopeful to me,
and I also thank you too Veteran for elaborating on your “present” views. Veteran, my last comment #56 was because I concluded that your own personal faith in what our Holy God is working to accomplish in the world through apocalyptic scripture was similar to my own faith when you wrote that:
“Seems you're struggling with that Greek word and usage, but I don't know why. All that 1Cor.13:8 Scripture is saying is that even prophecy will eventually lose it's purpose once the event happens, or passes away in history. (Not all prophecy, but the majority of prophecies). It's translated in other places in the KJV as "of none effect", 'abolished', 'I put away', 'come to nought', 'without effect', etc.
It just means, it's over when it's over.”
Even though with our present levels of knowledge nowadays we all may oftentimes see through a glass darkly (*a), and so we may presently disagree on various points of scriptural interpretation concerning the-whole-truth that will eventually be revealed in regards to our Shekhinah God's ongoing tireless-efforts and eternal-vision for us “all”, yet I pray that everyone will eventually agree that our Father God will always be sovereign while immeasurably-merciful with His ongoing choices, of overseeing a culture's chastening(s) in order to more righteously and justly fulfill His eternal vision for us “all” via the tireless and sacrificial efforts of His Holy Angels, (*d) while at the same time also showing mercy during a particular era to some cultures, as He did with the Hebrews' Exodus from Egypt.
His eternal vision is tirelessly being accomplished so that “all” of His children, red and yellow black and white, might be “taught” via the sacrifices of His Holy Angels, and - or via His gracious mercy through His Holy Spirit our Comforter, concerning “why” it is in their best interests to continually reprove another “family” member or “neighbor” to repent whenever anyone subtly slips towards unrighteousness or overt sin as taught in Leviticus 19:17-18. And via His heavenly host we are all maturing into a better understanding of the peer-pressure ripple-effect consequences of those errs. Lest for an extended period some would continually choose the self-destructive pleasures of their errs, in lieu of the eternal joy and happiness of abiding in God's righteousness, which ultimately at the end of the age could cause some to be “left-behind” whenever a nova-blast sterilization-event (+) will occur to the earth. (*b ) [Hebrews & Revelation 21]
[Note (+): I would encourage some Berean type converts to ponder the validity of the ageless efforts of the Heavenly Host, via a more thorough understanding of “Old Earth Creationism”, in order to better comprehend the ageless vision that has always been within our Father God's heart and soul for “us-all”, from long before the foundation of the world, since these cataclysmic “remodeling” events have historically occurred many times in the past, as evidenced by the earth's “index-fossil” records, which for many Berean disciples this knowledge has convinced them of earth's super-ancient history.]
And IF our Creator God should ever sovereignly decide to “allow” the devil Beelzebub, [i.e. the quasi-powerless lord of the flies (*c)], to fulfill various apocalyptic prophecies via an extreme-worst-case “literal” interpretation of various doctrines-of-men, (simply because no-one, or too few, sought for Jesus' wisdom, courage and strength to become Holy in order to stand in the gap for their culture), then this is His sovereign decision in order that He might be glorified in the earth as best as His sacrificially-holy heavenly-host could accomplish during a future tribulating season of “chastening-judgment.” Howbeit we should be encouraged that these “judgments” would simultaneously “always” fulfill the “encouraging” prophecies within Romans 14:11 and James 2:13 and 1 John 3:8 and John 3:17, so that our Heavenly Father's mercy will ultimately triumph over all chastening judgments that were sacrificially done in the best interests of His prodigal creation.
From a review of history, our Father God's righteous and perfectly-just chastening judgments have always inevitably occurred whenever far-far too many of His prodigal children continued-to-remain non-empathetic and hardhearted towards His sacrificial and Holy efforts, and the sufferings of many who have been enslaved by the devil-Beelzebub, and would then remain faithless and spiritually-indolent or even Laodicean.
Nonetheless scripture is plain that our Father God will continue to work with “us-all” in His prodigal creation, until “we-all” would become unchangeably “mature” concerning our “love” for others, in a similar way as our Christ Jesus and His Heavenly Father are unchangeably “mature” in their “love” for us. (*b ) [Leviticus 19:17-18]
The primary reason for this post is that these straightforward views concerning our Heavenly Father's efforts in our behalf were powerfully enlightened to me several seasons ago after I downloaded and pondered the attached picture “New Jerusalem For The Saints .gif”, which has subsequently prompted a maturing-season within my heart and soul since then. So I have been en-couraged to re-post that picture here today, with the hope that perhaps it will similarly promote a maturing season or a conversion or a re-conversion in some others who would see it and would “ponder” its potential-validity.
Thank you everyone for your posts. They will eventually be helpful to everyone who might someday read this thread.
Shalom in Jesus,
A Servant of Jesus Christ
John 10&15&17 & Revelation 21 & John 16:13-14 & John 8:31-32
John 16:13-14 Howbeit when He, the Spirit of truth, is come, He will guide you into all truth: for He shall not speak of Himself; but whatsoever He shall hear, that shall He speak: and He will shew you things to come. He shall glorify me: for He shall receive of me, and shall shew it unto you.
John 8:31-32 To the Jews who had believed him, Jesus said, “If you hold to my teaching, you are really my disciples. Then you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.”
Scripture references in the text:
Leviticus 19:17-18 Do not hate a fellow Israelite in your heart. Rebuke your neighbor frankly so you will not share in their guilt. Do not seek revenge or bear a grudge against anyone among your people, but love your neighbor as yourself. I am the Lord.
Romans 14:11 For it is written, “As I live, says the Lord, every knee shall bow to Me, And every tongue shall give praise to God.”
James 2:13 Because judgment without mercy will be shown to anyone who has not been merciful, (howbeit) mercy triumphs over judgment.
1 John 3:8 The person who lives a sinful life is enslaved to the devil, because the devil has been committing sin since the beginning. The reason that the Son of God appeared was to destroy the works the devil does.
John 3:17 For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him.
{<>Note (*a): 1 Corinthians 13:12 For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known. <>}
{<>Note (*b ) given below: (Romans 2:13-15; Matthew 16:18; Romans 14:11; Matthew 12:40; 1Peter 3:18-20; Ephesians 4:1-16)<>}
Romans 2:13-15 For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified. For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves: which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another.
Matthew 16:18 And upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.
Romans 14:11 For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God.
Matthew 12:40 For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the whale’s belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.
1Peter 3:18-20 But quickened by the Spirit: by which also He went and preached unto the spirits in prison; which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.
Ephesians 4:1-16:: 1 I therefore, the prisoner of the Lord, beseech you that ye walk worthy of the vocation wherewith ye are called, 2 with all lowliness and meekness, with longsuffering, forbearing one another in love; 3 endeavouring to keep the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace. 4 There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling; 5 one Lord, one faith, one baptism, 6 one God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all. 7 But unto every one of us is given grace according to the measure of the gift of Christ. 8 Wherefore he saith, When he ascended up on high, he led captivity captive, and gave gifts unto men. 9 (Now that he ascended, what is it but that he also descended first into the lower parts of the earth? 10 He that descended is the same also that ascended up far above all heavens, that he might fill all things.) 11 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers; 12 for the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ: 13 till we “all” come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ: 14 that we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive; 15 but speaking the truth in love , may grow up into him in all things, which is the head, even Christ: 16 from whom the whole body fitly joined together and compacted by that which every joint supplieth, according to the effectual working in the measure of every part, maketh increase of the body unto the edifying of itself in love.
{<>Note (*c) given below: (Matthew 28:18; Matthew 12:24; Luke 11:15; John 15:1-17)<>}
Matthew 28:18-20 Then Jesus came to them and said, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.”
Matthew 12:24 But when the Pharisees heard this, they said, “It is only by Beelzebul, the prince of demons, that this fellow drives out demons.”
Luke 11:15 But some of them said, “He casteth out devils through Beelzebub the chief of the devils.”
John 15:1-17: 1 I am the true vine, and my Father is the husbandman. 2 Every branch in me that beareth not fruit he taketh away: and every branch that beareth fruit, he purgeth it, that it may bring forth more fruit. 3 Now ye are clean through the word which I have spoken unto you. 4 Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me. 5 I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing. 6 If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned. 7 If ye abide in me, and my words abide in you, ye shall ask what ye will, and it shall be done unto you. 8 Herein is my Father glorified, that ye bear much fruit; so shall ye be my disciples. 9 As the Father hath loved me, so have I loved you: continue ye in my love. 10 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father’s commandments, and abide in his love. 11 These things have I spoken unto you, that my joy might remain in you, and that your joy might be full. 12 This is my commandment, That ye love one another, as I have loved you. 13 Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends. 14 Ye are my friends, if ye do whatsoever I command you. 15 Henceforth I call you not servants; for the servant knoweth not what his lord doeth: but I have called you friends; for all things that I have heard of my Father I have made known unto you. 16 Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit, and that your fruit should remain: that whatsoever ye shall ask of the Father in my name, he may give it you. 17 These things I command you, that ye love one another.
{<>Note (*d) given below: 1Peter 3:19 & 2Peter 2:4 & Jude 1:6<>}
1 Peter 3:19-20 By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison; which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.
2 Peter 2:4 For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment.
Jude 1:6 And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.
((-:<> Sidenote: Preparing the four soils in Matthew 13:1-23 & Mark 4:1-20 & Luke 8:1-15 for Jesus' soon return will be what was used to righteously and justly sift and sort-out Jesus' future bride as prophesied in Matthew 24:27-28 & Luke 17:24-37. Many of the first will be last and the last first. Revelation 21 <>
)Matthew 24:27-28 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.
Luke 17:24-37: 24 For as the lightning, that lighteneth out of the one part under heaven, shineth unto the other part under heaven; so shall also the Son of man be in his day. 25 But first must he suffer many things, and be rejected of this generation. 26 And as it was in the days of Noe, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man. 27 They did eat, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all. 28 Likewise also as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded; 29 but the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all. 30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed. 31 In that day, he which shall be upon the housetop, and his stuff in the house, let him not come down to take it away: and he that is in the field, let him likewise not return back. 32 Remember Lot’s wife. 33 Whosoever shall seek to save his life shall lose it; and whosoever shall lose his life shall preserve it. 34 I tell you, in that night there shall be two men in one bed; the one shall be taken, and the other shall be left. 35 Two women shall be grinding together; the one shall be taken, and the other left. 36 Two men shall be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left. 37 And they answered and said unto him, Where, Lord? And he said unto them, Wheresoever the body is, thither will the eagles be gathered together.
PS any further "edifying", "wholesome" and helpful comments anyone?
PPS
Hi again all,
I thought I would continue with some further thoughts during this effort today that would expand on what I posted moments ago.
My own faith as the Berean type of convert that I am, (which is also the faith of many other “Luke 22:32_KJV” types of “converts” that I know), is that Revelation 9:15 which prophecies that “1/3_rd of mankind will be destroyed” will have obviously failed – katargeo, whenever Jesus' Church “matures” enough to not “need” this particular apocalyptic-judgment-prophecy anymore.
Since from the first day that Revelation 9:15 was published and circulated to the earliest converts and re-converts, in our Father God's wisdom it was obviously “needed” to en-courage many of Jesus' joint-heir ambassadors to strive to obey the Lord continually with “all” of their heart and “all” of their mind on a daily basis, in order to continually discern and choose good choices over somewhat evil choices, and to discern the Holy Spirit's warfare against the-devil Beelzebub within their own life-efforts and also within their culture. And so these joint-heir ambassadors would then be willing to be continually trained, sifted and chastened to stand-in-the-gap for their various cultures, in order to totally prevent or to minimize many judgment prophecies from being fulfilled via the-devil who is always working to accomplish the worst-case concerning all doctrines-of-men. [Isaiah 29:13-14] By oftentimes using those same prophecies to seduce un-converted souls, as he had similarly accomplished with the Apostle Paul before his conversion, whenever the-devil seduced him concerning our Shekhinah Father God's immeasurable goodness by using various Old Testament scriptures and myths legends and fables that were circulated in Paul's day. So we are now taught by Paul and others to rightly divide the scriptures lest we would be eternally ashamed, and to not become seduced by cunningly devised Jewish fables. [Titus 1:14-16]
And these apocalyptic judgment prophecies were also needed to “compel” His joint-heirs to rise-up and teach a good-news gospel version of the fulfillment of these apocalyptic prophecies, that would impart “faith” “love” “hope” and “strengthening-encouragement” (*a) by NOT including a “fatalistic” and therefore self-fulfilling view of inevitable massive death and destruction throughout our world. Years ago during a substantial crisis-time for our nation, immediately before he was chosen to become vice-president, Mr. Al Gore was “discerning” and also very courageous to mention this “self-fulfilling” paradigm concerning apocalyptic doctrines-of-men in his book, “The Earth in the Balance.” Which since then has compelled many new converts over the years to be willing to give their lives if that is what might occur to make a difference, and to stand-in-the-gap for their nation so that Jesus' Kingdom would be built-up within it.
This “mature” message of good-news within the apocalyptic scriptures “faithfully” “trusts” in the “sovereignty” of our merciful Father God of love and peace, [2Corinthians 13:11] to continually make the choices to send-forth much-more of His Spirit to enlighten and empower His converted Saints, [Luke 11:13] so they could effectively work to stand-in-the-gap in order to preclude the-devil's worst-case most literal fulfillment concerning all the apocalyptic “judgment” scriptures.
Some Berean type disciples have recognized that Our Father God has also trained many converts within Iran who are continually sacrificing their own lives to sway many of their countrymen to change their present view that the apocalyptic scriptures “must-be” fulfilled in their literal worst-case interpretation, prior to the Messiah, (Isa), the virgin born Jesus of Nazareth, returning in the air as the New Testament prophecies will someday occur. “Most” Muslims have this same “fatalistic” view as “most” American “evangelicals”, while they also similarly believe that our Jesus, (Isa), will enforce His Kingdom of justice and peace throughout the world after His glory and power will be revealed in the air someday.
At the end of this age within every culture the “Holy” prophecy of a “Holy” “converted” James will someday be fulfilled concerning all the apocalyptic prophecies, to the shame of a few hardened souls, but ultimately for our Eternal Father God to be greatly glorified as James wrote: “Judgment without mercy will be shown to anyone who has not been merciful, (howbeit) mercy will triumph over judgment.” [James 2:13]
Thank you everyone for your posts. They will eventually be helpful to everyone who might someday read this thread.
Shalom in Jesus,
A Servant of Jesus Christ
John 10&15&17 & Revelation 21 & John 16:13-14 & John 8:31-32
John 16:13-14 Howbeit when He, the Spirit of truth, is come, He will guide you into all truth: for He shall not speak of Himself; but whatsoever He shall hear, that shall He speak: and He will shew you things to come. He shall glorify me: for He shall receive of me, and shall shew it unto you.
John 8:31-32 To the Jews who had believed him, Jesus said, “If you hold to my teaching, you are really my disciples. Then you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.”
[<>Note (*a): Luke 22:32 But I have prayed for thee, that thy faith fail not: and when thou art converted, strengthen thy brethren.<>]
Isaiah 29:13-14 Wherefore the Lord said, Forasmuch as this people draw near me with their mouth, and with their lips do honour me, but have removed their heart far from me, and their fear toward me is taught by the precept of men: therefore, behold, I will proceed to do a marvellous work among this people, even a marvellous work and a wonder: for the wisdom of their wise men shall perish, and the understanding of their prudent men shall be hid.
Titus 1:14-16 Not giving heed to Jewish fables and commandments of men that turn from the truth. To the pure all things are pure, but to those who are defiled and unbelieving nothing is pure; but even their mind and conscience are defiled. They profess to know God, but in works they deny Him, being abominable, disobedient, and disqualified for every good work.
Luke 11:13 If you then, being evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to those who ask Him!”
James 2:13 Because judgment without mercy will be shown to anyone who has not been merciful, (howbeit) mercy triumphs over judgment.
PPPS any further "edifying", "wholesome" and helpful comments anyone?
