Another President in Office?/rapture

(jodycour;21084)
n2thelight,I do believe that when we die we go directly to God when we are a believer in Jesus!My point inmentioning this was that the saints are with Jesus when He makes his Triumphant return.Kriss,You are partially wrong about flesh not being able to go to Heaven!Eljah, was taken to Heaven in his flesh, Enoch, was taken in his flesh to Heaven.Also when Jesus rose from the dead it says that the craves where opened, and the Old Testament Saints walked around testifying of God!If these old testament saints were just spiritual beings, why did the graves have to be opened?Also in the Great White Throne judgement it says that the sea will give up the dead!Spirits that are not saved go directly to hell when they die.So what is the sea giving up at the Great White Throne Judgement?
Dear JodyBe careful with your words Jody...I Corinthians 15:50 - Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.(Kriss correct me if I'm wrong please due to the fact that I can't bring myself to read the rest of the OT and/or reread other parts of the OT)Seeing how flesh and blood can not inherit the kingdom of God... (I Corinthians 15:50) I would very much believe the fact that Enoch and Elijah was translated into spiritual bodies without the taste of the flesh death.P.S. No matter how much I repeat truth, it never gets boring. The only boring part is the men's doctrine that try to fit into God's Words.Jag

You are right Jag they were transfigured changed just as we will all be at the Last 7th trump.

JodyDo you realize the white throne Judgement is not until after the Millenium the 1000 years after the 2nd coming of the Lord and his kingdom is set up on earth. This is 1000 years (or one day in God time) after this earth age has ended what can this possibly have to do with a rapture. You will have been changed and living on the new earth with God he will have been our King for 1000 years before this judgement ever happens. Revelation 20:11 "And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away: and there was found no place for them." With the God-head present on earth, and the judgment of God on all those lost souls, there was no place for Satan and his hoards of followers to exist.Revelation 20:12"And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works." Notice there are two sets of books here. The first called "The Books" is to judge the unsaved. The second is the "Book of Life" where only the names of the saved are recorded. The saved have had their sins removed from God's judgment and booted out. Though they were committed, the blood of Christ has covered them from being used against us. Notice how all souls are judged "according to their works". Does it talk about faith here after the Millennium? No. The "great white throne judgment" will not take faith into consideration. The first resurrection takes faith into consideration. That was back on "the Lord's day". (7th trump)(2nd coming)That was Jesus Christ's "great day". On the last day of the Millennium age souls are judged by works only.Why are you judged for works only? Faith is something hoped for but unseen. You don't see Jesus Christ on earth today, you will see his wonderful works, and be led by Him and His Spirit in the Millennium age. Today He is in heaven and not walking on this earth. However, in the millennium, He will be on earth, and all will have full intelligence, with full recall and will be taught. The Heavenly Father honors all those with grace, that have accepted His Son by faith through repentance without Christ's physical presence here on earth, if you believed in His Word.To those who are not under grace in the Millennium, their salvation will be only through and by their works. For faith doesn't exist to them. There will be no ignorance, physical handicap, for you will see, know, and experience Our Lord first hand.If you follow the Antichrist, the first Christ to appear, (6th trump)you will have forfeited your salvation in this earth age. You will not be under the grace of God, and your works will be the only thing that matters on the last day of the Millennium, the day of judgment. They will be judged by works alone, for they have seen Jesus Christ, and are without excuse. The "rapture theory" leaves believers defenseless against Satan, for they will be taken in by Satan's deceptions.Revelation 20:13 "And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works." The sea is the massive number of mortal souls that follow Satan. This is symbolic sea means sea of peoplesThese are those souls who did not overcome, and are in a place of holding at the time of their physical death, and also from the Millennium. There it is again! "According to their works."Don't be frightened by this! For we are now under grace, and the Antichrist has not yet arrived. You are going to face the truth now, or be judged by your works from the thousand year Millennium age. Eternity is a long time, so much so that our minds simply cannot comprehend it.To refuse Christ at the end of the Millennium age will commit you to destruction.Revelation 20:14 "And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death." This "second death" is also the final death and the sinner's soul will be turned to ashes from within. Death and even the thought of death will be no more with us.I Corinthins 15:54 "So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory." Revelation 20:15 "And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire." It is important that we understand the chronological order of the events that will occur, and the physical and spiritual bodies that we will be in during each of these times. The very condition, and life of your soul relies on your understanding of these events. For by not understanding them, and chasing after man's traditions, assures that you will follow the Antichrist and think he is the true Christ. This is why I am so obsinate about this Jody if you dont get that there will not be a rapture you are vunerable to Antichrist lies

After the resurrection, Jesus' flesh also disappeared.

No, Jesus had flesh (ie physical substance) after he arose from the tomb. Just not blood.Sorry, thought this was the 2 in the field post. Deleted the second part of my answer.

(jodycour;21832)
Kriss,Are there any scriptures to support the theory that sea= a group of people?I believe that this should be interpreted literally here!Also for some reason you keep avoiding the answer to the question about us meeting Jesus in the clouds!Clouds still mean clouds in the Greek!What is Paul talking about here! When He mentions clouds here he is not referring to witness' here!
Revelation 13:1 - And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.Revelation 17:15 - And he saith unto me, The waters which thou sawest, where the ***** sitteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues.Jag

Jody here is a study of these verse I did not write so you can see what others teach13But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope. Paul wanted them to know what happens to a Christian when they die so when it happens, they would not be sorrowed. 14For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him. If we believe that Jesus died and rose again, we must believe that when a Christian dies, God will also bring them with Him. Upon death; the body returns to the dust of the earth and the spirit goes back to the Heavenly Father who gave it. (Ecclesiastes 12-7). When we are absent from this flesh body, our soul (or self), is present with the Lord. (II Corinthians 5:7-8). 15For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep. Those who are alive when the Lord returns will not prevent (or precede), those who are dead because the dead are already there with the Lord. 16For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: At the last trump (7th trump), the dead in Christ will rise first because they are already there. 17Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. As "gathered like a cloud" used as a statement, or "like a cloud of locust" or "cloud of witnesses." (Hebrews 12:1). Now as for the ones which are alive to meet the Lord in the air; We must go back to the original Greek to translate air which is (Aer = Breathe, Strong's 109 Greek Dictionary) prime from (Psucho = To Breathe, 5594) prime from (Psuche = Breath or Spirit, 5590) prime from (Pneuma = Spirit or Breath of Life, 4151) When Christ returns at the seventh trump, we will be changed into our Spirit bodies to meet him. This is not a rapture of the church! The rapture is a false teaching that many churches adhere to because of misinterpretation of scripture. 18Wherefore comfort one another with these words. Comfort and encourage each other with this news. The words of truth, not a bunch of traditions of men.Keep The Faith,BartCan you see that the Paul is explaining that we are in spirit bodies and this does not happen until his return at the 7th trump when we are changed in the twinkling of an eye these are not flesh bodies being raised up into the air.And as Jag said above Waters are symbolic of people not our words Gods' we still use this term to day a sea of people. Also this is after the world now is destroyed with fire(melting of the rudiments/elements) even if you want to believe it is a sea it still does not happen until after 1000 years of the milliunem has happened it is not in this age so has nothing to do with a rapture in this earth age.

Th 4:17 Then1899 we2249 which are alive2198 and remain4035 shall be caught up726 together260 with4862 them846 in1722 the clouds3507 to meet1519, 529 the3588 Lord2962 in1519 the air:109 and2532 so3779 shall we ever3842 be2071 with4862 the Lord.KrissThis doesnt seem to me to be talking about dead people. It seems clear at this 2nd coming we are going upup and away. Meet the Lord in the air.

Its not just talking dead people its talking about being changed into our spiritual bodies in the twinkling of eye. All those left alive at the coming of the Lord. Our true state of being the flesh only houses the soul the flesh. 1 Corinthians 15:52 in a flash, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed.This is talking about being gathered to Christ in our new spirit bodies and the dead will also be gathered together they will be raised up in their new spirit bodies also gathered to our Lord to much emphisis and misinterptation is put on this word up is given toRaised up, gathered up, come to all mean the same The question when does this happen?II Thessalonians 2:3 "Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come [it will not be], except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;"Jesus Christ is not gathering anyone to Him, nor is He coming here to earth, except there be a falling away first. The word for "falling away", in the Greek is "apostasy". Jesus told us in His revelation to John, in Revelation 9:11, that "Apollyon" is one of Satan's names, and this name is derived from the word apostasy.The word "perdition" means "one that perishes". Satan and only Satan has already been condemned to die [to perish] by God. Satan's judgment day has come already back in the first earth age, and he will have no part in the Great White Throne judgment, or any other judgment yet to come. He has already been judged, and sentence by God to death "perdition" [Ezekiel 28 covers this judgment].What did Paul say again?Jesus Christ is coming back to this earth, but the saints of Christ will not be gathered to Him until the "son of perdition" [Satan] be revealed first. How will we know who he is when he arrives?

(jodycour;20423)
I'm sorry Kriss, I don't buy that view!I can see how it could be viewed in this way, but I believe the warning here is, don't be left behind like the days of Noah we will be taken out of this world!If your left behind you will be destroyed!
I agree with Kriss....You do not want to be "taken.":naughty:I think of Noah like this....he was here during the flood, as we will be during the tribulation of Satan, but he was protected. So was Daniel in the lion's den, so were the three Hebrew children in the firery furnace.Christ tells us that we will be here and what He expects of us.....it is not to fly away. :angel9:........Whirlwind

I believe He wont come until after anti christ and I understand the 2nd coming, but that is not what this verse is saying. Being lifted up to clouds is the seconed coming. Satan will not be able to imitate this event. Most of your inturps make since but this one got me baffled. I agree with you on most everything except Clouds. Something in my spirit is disagreement here. Thanks for trying though.

(crooner;22151)
I believe He wont come until after anti christ and I understand the 2nd coming, but that is not what this verse is saying. Being lifted up to clouds is the seconed coming. Satan will not be able to imitate this event. Most of your inturps make since but this one got me baffled. I agree with you on most everything except Clouds. Something in my spirit is disagreement here. Thanks for trying though.
Hello Crooner. The word "clouds" as used in 1 Thessalonians is just an expression. As in, I saw a cloud of locusts. Paul used that expression another time:Heb.12:1 Wherefore seeing we also are compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight,.....The word "air" in the same verse doesn't mean the atmosphere but rather means breath, as in breath of life....your spirit. So, the verse could be read as:Then we which are alive, and remain, shall be caught up together with them in (a great cloud of souls) to meet the Lord in (our spirit bodies): and so shall we ever be with the Lord.This event happens at His 2nd. Advent. .........Whirlwind

Thanks but doesnt make any sinceG109ἀήρaērah-ayr'From ἄημι aēmi (to breathe unconsciously, that is, respire; by analogy to blow); “air” (as naturally circumambient): - air. Compare G5594.I am concerned about some of anologies here. I do agree with a lot of things but this is a real stretch. It could read as that but it doesnt. Are you not concerned about this?I know it is the 2nd advent, but is simplt says were are going to meet him in the clouds, and after that heaven.

Kriss, I have to admit iv never thought of it that way Either. However I dont buy the raptured up theory. Its not scripture based. I believe that it makes sense that way ,but I thought that being left just ment that Christ gathered his harvest and the rest were left for dsetruction. so in the days of Noah if they were eating and giving and taking in marriage, and here comes the water and drowned them all ,and basically that left Noah in the Boat with thoose who were "saved " . So technically they were left. AHha I see what you mean. In the way of comparing the tares to Noah. Can i just tell you that it is scary to me that there is so many diffrent interpretations of Gods word . Its like even with Gods word you have to fight for the truth. Iguess God reveals his word to you . I dont know, I just want to seek out what is true. _haanne

HanneI dont believe in rapture, just the seconed coming. The rapture theory is to take out church before tribulation. that group sometinge try to creat two comings. There is only one 2nd coming, but He meets us in the air adn does not touch earth until 1000 years.There is a lot of great scriptur going on here but you cant deny what thie text is saying. I have been getting some unusual interpretations. I am very anti rapture. but it does say what it says. God blessCrooner

I really get frustrated with all the diffrent interpretations. what if we read huckleberryfin that way.Or pride and predjudice, we'd never get any where !On the other hand this is Gods word we are dealing with , The author and perfector of life and all that is in it. So I guess it has to be a little bit complicated. Iguess if we really want the truth we will work for it.With concordances and suchThanks!-Haanne

I get frustrated too, and am spending time trying to figure it out. i am agreement with a lot of intripertation on this site,but if you read this it is very clear. It scares me when it seems like a simple text and someone puts other words to it. That is not seeking truth.I would never try to offend anyone. Please take my questions with the love of Christ at heart.Crooner

Please read Matt. 24:23-31 Clouds very clear

I haven't visited this site in a long while, but later today I have something to say about what has been discussed. The strong delusion has taken hold and will not let many go. The Lord Yeshua will come for us, but not in the manner offered by those bound to the rapture cult.