Are we reading the same Bible?

None has merit, for genuine Christians worship the same God as Jesus (John 4:22), telling the Samaritan woman that "true worshipers will worship the Father with spirit and truth, for, indeed, the Father is looking for suchlike ones to worship him. God is a Spirit, and those worshiping him (that includes Jesus, verse 22) must worship with spirit and truth."(John 4:23, 24) God's name is identified in the Bible, not as "gad" (that is used at Isaiah 65:11 and means "fortune" and is translated as "god of good luck"), but as Jehovah as at Exodus 3:15 and Psalms 83:18.

Of the word "hell" that is used by various Bibles, it is rendered from the Hebrew word sheol and the Greek words hades and Gehenna. However, neither sheol and hades mean eternal torment in a "fiery hell", but rather mankind's common grave and Gehenna (as at Matt 5:29, 30) means everlasting destruction.(Matt 10:28)

That is why Jacob said that he would "go down mourning to my son into Sheol" at Genesis 37:35, thinking that Joseph had died and he may follow. Here the King James Bible renders sheol as "grave", but at Deuteronomy 32:22, it renders it as "hell".(as well in a number of other places, such as 2 Sam 22:6, Job 11:8; 26:6; Ps 9:17; 16:10)

And of Jesus Christ, the apostle Peter told Jesus when asked who he thought he was: "You are the Christ, the Son of the living God."(Matt 16:16) And the apostle John wrote in conclusion of his book of John: "But these things have been written down that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ the Son of God."(John 20:31)

Thus, Jesus is not God, but his "only-begotten Son" (John 3:16), for the word "only-begotten" is from the Greek monogenes that means "single of its kind, only".(Thayer's Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament, pg 417) Jesus is Jehovah God's unique son, his "firstborn".(Col 1:15)

The holy spirit is God's active force, not a person. At Isaiah 44, God says: "For I shall pour out water upon the thirsty one, and trickling streams upon the the dry place. I shall pour out my spirit upon your seed, and my blessings upon your descendants.”(isa 44:3) Just as water and blessings are not persons, so neither is God’s “spirit, noted as “my spirit” as being the possession of Jehovah God.(Isa 44:2)

In addition, at John 3:8, the Greek word pneuma is rendered as both “spirit” and “wind” in the same verse, with Jesus saying to Nicodemus: “The wind (Greek pneuma) blows where it wants to, and you hear the sound of it, but you do not where it comes from and where it is going. So is everyone that has been born from the spirit (Greek pneuma).” Hence, the holy spirit is Jehovah’s active force that in unseen, but produces visible results just as wind does.

At Proverbs 18, it says that “the spirit (Hebrew ruach) of a man can put up with his malady, but as for a stricken spirit, who can bear it ?”(Prov 18:14) Hence, our driving force or spirit can put up with certain illnesses but can become “stricken” when we reach our mental and emotional limit.

The apostle John was not senile but very much in control of himself, writing the Bible books of 1st, 2nd, and 3rd John, the Gospel of John and the Apocalyptic book of Revelation under the inspiration of God’s holy spirit, some 65 years after Jesus death, at about 100 years old.

It is the Bible that establishes just who Satan (meaning “resistor”) is. At Genesis 3:1-6, it says that a “serpent” deceived Eve, so that she reached up and took fruit from “the tree of knowledge of good and bad” (used to establish God’s right to set moral boundaries for his creation). Then, the last book of the Bible, at Revelation 12, it identifies that the “original serpent (Gen 3), (is) the one called Devil and Satan.”(Rev 12:9)

At Job 1, it says that “when the sons of the true God entered to take their stand before Jehovah, and even Satan proceeded to enter right among them.”(Job 1:6) Satan is the archenemy of Jehovah God, who sought to derail the “kingdom” (Rev 12:3, 4) from accomplishing its purpose of destroying him and transforming the earth into a paradise.(Luke 23:43)

That the apostle was not a phony is seen at Acts 9, whereby Jesus Christ specifically chooses him, telling Ananias: “Be on your way, because this man is a chosen vessel to me to bear my name to the nations as well as kings and the sons of Israel. For I shall show him plainly how many things he must suffer for my name.”(Acts 9:15, 16) Thus, Paul was privileged to write 14 of the 27 books of the Christian Greek Scriptures by means of God’s holy spirit.

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Yes, Jesus is the only begotten Son of God...HOWEVER...he was also present at creation...John 1...He is equal with God and IS God contrary to what JW's believe, Mormon's believe and
various other sects that have their own private interpretation




No. The Holy Spirt IS a person and not just an active force as the JW's teach. Jehovah's witnesses (a strange name considering their witness and testimony is incorrect)
have their own interpretation that is an incorrect translation from the original. As well, the Watchtower magazine is replete with corrections and ongoing 'mistakes' that
receive correction down the road.

Of course God calls the Holy Spirit His Spirit because He is proceeding from God as opposed to the spirit of a person or an evil spirit.

If a person does not believe in the Trinity, then they are not Christian by defintion. Muslims state they believe in God...but most certainly not God as Christians believe.

In the same sense, Mormons and others believe in God but NOT God of the Bible. There is not one translation that agrees with the translators of the JW Bible, the
New World Translation. Not one.

The Bible vs. The Jehovah's Witnesses​

In 1870, at the age of eighteen, an ex-Congregationalist by the name of Charles Taze Russell started a Bible class in Pittsburgh. In 1876, the class elected Russell as their Pastor.

He founded the "Herald of the Morning" in 1879, which eventually developed into what is known today as "The Watchtower Announcing Jehovah's Kingdom." Today this publication has grown to over seventeen million copies per month in over one hundred languages.
In 1884, Russell incorporated the "Zion's Watch Tower Tract Society" at Pittsburgh. Today this organization has branches in over one hundred countries, and it has missionary works in over two hundred and fifty. With over one-half million volunteer workers, the Jehovah's Witnesses have become a serious threat to Bible believers throughout the world.
Russell died in 1916, and Judge J.F. Rutherford took over the Society's leadership. It was under Rutherford's leadership that the group took the name "Jehovah's Witnesses," and Society headquarters moved to Brooklyn. Rutherford died in 1942, and Nathan Knorr took control and boosted the membership to over two million. In 1961 the Society published its own "translation" of the scriptures, called "The New World Translation of the Holy Scriptures." Knorr died in 1977, and Frederick Franz took over the leadership of the Watchtower Society. Franz is the current leader of the Jehovah's Witnesses (1991).
Rather than bore ourselves with the corrupt history of the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society, we shall get straight to the main issue at hand: What does the Bible say about their DOCTRINES? The true Bible-believer realizes that the primary purpose for the Lord giving us the Scriptures is DOCTRINE (2 Tim. 3:16), and we are supposed to KNOW sound doctrine from false doctrine. Many have departed from the faith and have given themselves over to "doctrines of devils" (1 Tim. 4:1), and it is our Christian duty to check these people and arm ourselves against their false teachings.
The main false doctrines taught by the "JW's" (Henceforth used to abbreviate "Jehovah's Witnesses") are as follows: (1) that God is not a Trinity, (2) that Jesus Christ did not physically rise from the dead, (3) that there will be no literal and physical Second Coming of Christ, and (4) that there will be no place of eternal torment for the wicked. These are the major heresies taught by the JW's, and we shall examine each of these in light of God's pure and preserved words. Let us begin with a look at the Trinity.


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your post is very opinionated,and you dont back up your opinions with scripture.

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Dodo_David said:

Point of information, regarding #2 above:

The word "Hell" isn't biblical in origin. It comes from Norse mythology. The Greek equivalent of "Hell" is "Hades", which is the word used in the Greek New Testament Manuscripts.

Revelation 20:14 states, "Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. The lake of fire is the second death."

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Niki said:

Really Pelaides? Everything is documented...the claims of JW's in their magazines are not supported by scripture so why would I use scripture. The point being made is
the constant revision of false claims. These are not opinions, which, in fact, I think you know.

These, are actually the non-supported claims of those who do not believe that Jesus is equal with God. Such as, your own statement

I will just repeat that those who make such a claim cannot call themself a Christian. The beliefs are not Christian. In order to actually be a Christian, a person has to
have certain beliefs.

Of course a person can call themselves anything they want and yet, that does not make it so.

If you do not believe that the Christ is equal to God and that He has come in the flesh, died for our sins and rose again and is seated at the right hand of God,
then you are not a Christian because that, is the very basis of Christianity.

Jehovah's Witnesses are not Christian. Mormons are not Christian. Muslims are not Christian.

The Watchtower is not a Christian publication.

Stating that the Holy Spirit is simply an 'active force' is a Jehovah Witness doctrine. It is NOT Christian.

Anyone can read the Bible and anyone can have an opinion. However, in order to be a Christian, one must believe what Christianity teaches.

So, you cannot state you don't believe in some of the major doctrines and call yourself a Christian. Quite simple actually.

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