Do you have the mark of THE BEAST upon you? And where is it located if you do?

afaithfulone4u · Jun 28, 2013

Could it be in your forehead? How about in your hand?
Do you think that everyone will be able to see it in those who do have it?

I have found a way to detect who has the mark of the beast, the Bible reveals to us the way to know.

It gives us many examples of how to tell and they always lead to the fruit that a man produces.
Yep Cain was our first example.. he had no reverence or faith nor fear of God so his offerings of all that God gave to him were just the stuff that he didn't want, that was just left over. While Abel gave the first and best of what he had.
Cain didn't care about his brother either, in fact he was jealous of him and wound up killing him just so he did not have to raise his own standards, but just killed off his competition which was his own brother in hopes to lower the bar .
He was a liar, a thief, murderer, faithless, having a dog eat dog beastly nature that is only SELF-CENTERED with no love for the good of their brother... don't misunderstand me, our brother is those of the Spirit... yet we are commissioned to take the gospel OFFER to the lost for the love of them. However we are not to become their welfare system setting our self up as their god. But we are to point to God as the one to come to for all their needs rather it be financial, health, provisions, protection, WISDOM so that they lay down that beastly nature and come to learning from the Spirit how to apply the Word of God in their everyday life to be reborn anew from a higher standard as Abel had. Not only is your fleshly nature of the beast that we must shed to set the captive free, but don't let the other Cain's around you hold you back from receiving the Love of God which is HIS TRUTH. For they love to teach you more of the ungodly ways but do not allow the devil to use others to influence you to oppose Christ for those who are ANTI-WORD(CHRIST) are not of God's Spirit and they can not receive the Love aka Word of God for life because it is only by the Spirit that one can say Jesus is Lord over all my thoughts(forehead) and actions(hand) Check yourself to see if you are walking in line with Christ as a son of God... or if you have been producing the fruit of the enemy of the beastly nature.
John 17:14-19
14 I have given them thy word; and the world hath hated them, because they are not of the world, even as I am not of the world.
15 I pray not that thou shouldest take them out of the world, but that thou shouldest keep them from the evil.
16 They are not of the world, even as I am not of the world.
17 Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.
18 As thou hast sent me into the world, even so have I also sent them into the world.
19 And for their sakes I sanctify myself, that they also might be sanctified through the truth.
KJV

Notice how the serpent aka Satan was called a beast?
Gen 3:1
3:1 Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?
KJV
Rev 12:9-10
9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.
KJV

Do you see it says the serpent is the ACCUSER of the brethren? I bet you think that means that those who bring up the law to brethren are the Accuser's? NO, FIRST Satan is THE TEMPTOR, to get you to break God's law.... THEN HE TURNS ACCUSER, however he does not accuse the ungodly.. he just bring the RIGHTEOUS's ungodly act they fell for to the JUDGE/FATHER. Over come temptation to sin against God and give the devil NOTHING to ACCUSE you before God of!
Matt 4:3-5
3 And when the tempter came to him, he said, If thou be the Son of God, command that these stones be made bread.
4 But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.
5 Then the devil taketh him up into the holy city, and setteth him on a pinnacle of the temple,
KJV

Don't think that the Temptor is doing this without God's knowledge.. for we all must shed our fleshly beast nature of dog eat dog and will be tried and tested as Jesus was... for it is the Spirit who leads us into the wilderness walk where we must each find our path to the promised land and the keys are written down in the GOOD BOOK.

Notice how Jesus fought his good fight of faith.. he used the sWord of the Spirit which is the Word of God.. IT IS WRITTEN:

Matt 4:1-7
4:1 Then was Jesus led up of the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted of the devil.
2 And when he had fasted forty days and forty nights, he was afterward an hungred.
3 And when the tempter came to him, he said, If thou be the Son of God, command that these stones be made bread.
4 But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.
5 Then the devil taketh him up into the holy city, and setteth him on a pinnacle of the temple,
6 And saith unto him, If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down: for it is written, He shall give his angels charge concerning thee: and in their hands they shall bear thee up, lest at any time thou dash thy foot against a stone.
7 Jesus said unto him, It is written again, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God.
KJV

But also notice that the enemy knows scripture as well... but it is a matter of DO YOU know the Word??

Jesus was tempted 3 times.. once he resisted the devils temptations to sin against God by whipping out his sWord of the Spirit(Word of God) the devil fled and the angels came to minister to Jesus the VICTORY, BLESSING, PEACE for his faithfulness.
That is our goal resist the devil and he will flee! Victory comes and blessing for faithfulness flow.

John S · Jun 28, 2013

Considering that I believe that the "Mark of the Beast" will one day be a literal thing - then the answer to your question is NO. At this time, I do NOT have it and, hopefully, I will not have it in the future either.
I'm sure that other people consider it to be a figurative thing and they will discuss this in more detail with you.

BTW - On a personal note, I TRIED to get Bitter Sweet to leave that other site but she may not have done so.
Forgive me if you are not the person that she mentioned as being her friend.

Arnie Manitoba · Jun 28, 2013

The Mark of The Beast is still future

How the heck can we have it now ?

daq · Jun 28, 2013

afaithfulone4u said:
Do you see it says the serpent is the ACCUSER of the brethren? I bet you think that means that those who bring up the law to brethren are the Accuser's? NO, FIRST Satan is THE TEMPTOR, to get you to break God's law.... THEN HE TURNS ACCUSER, however he does not accuse the ungodly.. he just bring the RIGHTEOUS's ungodly act they fell for to the JUDGE/FATHER. Over come temptation to sin against God and give the devil NOTHING to ACCUSE you before God of!

So true, so true! "Spot on" (pardon the pun).

John S said:
BTW - On a personal note, I TRIED to get Bitter Sweet to leave that other site but she may not have done so.
Forgive me if you are not the person that she mentioned as being her friend.

Say hello to Bitter Sweet for me!

JB_Reformed Baptist · Jun 28, 2013

What a silly title for a discussion. Really, the ELECT of GOD can or might now or in the future have the "mark of the beast".

daq · Jun 28, 2013

JB_ said:
What a silly title for a discussion. Really, the ELECT of GOD can or might now or in the future have the "mark of the beast".

Well I would not be so sure about that. What if you discovered something similar was either upon or in your right hand? What if it was close enough to the true Scripture meaning to seriously wonder and worry about? What could one do in such a scenario? Do we have an Biblical recourse?

Mark 9:43-49 KJV
43. And if thy hand offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter into life maimed, than having two hands to go into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched:
44. Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.
45. And if thy foot offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter halt into life, than having two feet to be cast into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched:
46. Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.
47. And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out: it is better for thee to enter into the kingdom of God with one eye, than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire:
48. Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.
49. For every one shall be salted with fire, and every sacrifice shall be salted with salt.

Deuteronomy 32:1-12 KJV
1. Give ear, O ye heavens, and I will speak; and hear, O earth, the words of my mouth.
2. My doctrine shall drop as the rain, my speech shall distil as the dew, as the small rain upon the tender herb, and as the showers upon the grass:
3. Because I will publish the name of the Lord: ascribe ye greatness unto our God.
4. He is the Rock, his work is perfect: for all his ways are judgment: a God of truth and without iniquity, just and right is he.
5. They have corrupted themselves, their spot is not the spot of his children: they are a perverse and crooked generation.
6. Do ye thus requite the Lord, O foolish people and unwise? is not he thy father that hath bought thee? hath he not made thee, and established thee?
7. Remember the days of old, consider the years of many generations: ask thy father, and he will shew thee; thy elders, and they will tell thee.
8. When the most high divided to the nations their inheritance, when he separated the sons of Adam, he set the bounds of the people according to the number of the children of Israel.
9. For the Lord's portion is his people; Jacob is the lot of his inheritance.
10. He found him in a desert land, and in the waste howling wilderness; he led him about, he instructed him, he kept him as the apple of his eye.
11. As an eagle stirreth up her nest, fluttereth over her young, spreadeth abroad her wings, taketh them, beareth them on her wings:
12. So the Lord alone did lead him, and there was no strange god with him.

But then again one must realize that this or that "spot" is not firstly a spot that may be seen with the eyes of the flesh . . .

JB_Reformed Baptist · Jun 28, 2013

daq said:
Well I would not be so sure about that. What if you discovered something similar was either upon or in your right hand? What if it was close enough to the true Scripture meaning to seriously wonder and worry about? What could one do in such a scenario? Do we have an Biblical recourse?

Mark 9:43-49 KJV
43. And if thy hand offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter into life maimed, than having two hands to go into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched:
44. Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.
45. And if thy foot offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter halt into life, than having two feet to be cast into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched:
46. Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.
47. And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out: it is better for thee to enter into the kingdom of God with one eye, than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire:
48. Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.
49. For every one shall be salted with fire, and every sacrifice shall be salted with salt.

Deuteronomy 32:1-12 KJV
1. Give ear, O ye heavens, and I will speak; and hear, O earth, the words of my mouth.
2. My doctrine shall drop as the rain, my speech shall distil as the dew, as the small rain upon the tender herb, and as the showers upon the grass:
3. Because I will publish the name of the Lord: ascribe ye greatness unto our God.
4. He is the Rock, his work is perfect: for all his ways are judgment: a God of truth and without iniquity, just and right is he.
5. They have corrupted themselves, their spot is not the spot of his children: they are a perverse and crooked generation.
6. Do ye thus requite the Lord, O foolish people and unwise? is not he thy father that hath bought thee? hath he not made thee, and established thee?
7. Remember the days of old, consider the years of many generations: ask thy father, and he will shew thee; thy elders, and they will tell thee.
8. When the most high divided to the nations their inheritance, when he separated the sons of Adam, he set the bounds of the people according to the number of the children of Israel.
9. For the Lord's portion is his people; Jacob is the lot of his inheritance.
10. He found him in a desert land, and in the waste howling wilderness; he led him about, he instructed him, he kept him as the apple of his eye.
11. As an eagle stirreth up her nest, fluttereth over her young, spreadeth abroad her wings, taketh them, beareth them on her wings:
12. So the Lord alone did lead him, and there was no strange god with him.

But then again one must realize that this or that "spot" is not firstly a spot that may be seen with the eyes of the flesh . . .

Your imagination is vain. Your logic is flawed and you don't speak on behalf of GOD. B)

daq · Jun 28, 2013

JB_ said:
Your imagination is vain. Your logic is flawed and you don't speak on behalf of GOD. B)

Perhaps you should go see The Doctor?

That boil in your forehead is beginning to fester . . .

Genesis 4:5-7 KJV
5. But unto Cain and to his offering he had not respect. And Cain was very wroth, [HSN#2734 charah] and his countenance fell [HSN#5307 naphal].
6. And the Lord said unto Cain, Why art thou wroth? and why is thy countenance fallen?
7. If thou doest well, shalt thou not be accepted? and if thou doest not well, sin lieth at the door. And unto thee shall be his desire, and thou shalt rule over him.

Original Strong's Ref. #2734
Romanized charah
Pronounced khaw-raw'
a primitive root [compare HSN2787]; to glow or grow warm; figuratively (usually) to blaze up, of anger, zeal, jealousy:
KJV--be angry, burn, be displeased, X earnestly, fret self, grieve, be (wax) hot, be incensed, kindle, X very, be wroth. See HSN8474.

"And Cain blazed with anger; and the panay-countenance of him Nphal" . . .

See how that works brother? Love you too.

JB_Reformed Baptist · Jun 28, 2013

The mark of the beast is a spiritual/mental/heart condition in which mans exist. He/she may have given all of themselves to this system(head) or are in league with the system for reasons unknown but have given it only the right hand of fellowship(affiliate/associate).

In either case both are under it's dominance and will experience the wrath of GOD to come. See how simply that is folks. It's a good idea to seek the type before the antitype can be properly known.

Have a nice day.

daq said:
Perhaps you should go see The Doctor?

That boil in your forehead is beginning to fester . . .

Genesis 4:5-7 KJV
5. But unto Cain and to his offering he had not respect. And Cain was very wroth, [HSN#2734 charah] and his countenance fell [HSN#5307 naphal].
6. And the Lord said unto Cain, Why art thou wroth? and why is thy countenance fallen?
7. If thou doest well, shalt thou not be accepted? and if thou doest not well, sin lieth at the door. And unto thee shall be his desire, and thou shalt rule over him.

Original Strong's Ref. #2734
Romanized charah
Pronounced khaw-raw'
a primitive root [compare HSN2787]; to glow or grow warm; figuratively (usually) to blaze up, of anger, zeal, jealousy:
KJV--be angry, burn, be displeased, X earnestly, fret self, grieve, be (wax) hot, be incensed, kindle, X very, be wroth. See HSN8474.

"And Cain blazed with anger; and the panay-countenance of him Nphal" . . .

See how that works brother? Love you too.

Like your theology, your judgement is way of too.

daq · Jun 28, 2013

JB_ said:
The mark of the beast is a spiritual/mental/heart condition in which mans exist. He/she may have given all of themselves to this system(head) or are in league with the system for reasons unknown but have given it only the right hand of fellowship(affiliate/associate).

In either case both are under it's dominance and will experience the wrath of GOD to come. See how simply that is folks. It's a good idea to seek the type before the antitype can be properly known.

Have a nice day.

Like your theology, your judgement is way of too.

Hahaha, you have basically stated what was already stated except that you hate the messenger who stated it.
Is this not the quote proudly displayed in your own signature below every one of your posts?

"It's a mark of an instructed mind to rest satisfied to the degree to which a subject omits and not seek exactness where only an approximation of the truth can be found. Aristotle"

I will take the Word of God over a disciple of the mind of Aristotle any and every day. :lol:

Arnie Manitoba · Jun 28, 2013

JB_ said:
The mark of the beast is a spiritual/mental/heart condition in which mans exist.

HUH ???????

Did someone spike your Vegemite ??

daq · Jun 28, 2013

Arnie Manitoba said:
HUH ???????

Did someone spike your Vegemite ??

Every man has a fig tree and a vine; whether it be the Most High Father or whether it be the imposter who is called "the Assyrian" as in one of the many analogies, (one of the "types -vs- anti-types" which JB_ apparently missed while studying Aristotle).

Isaiah 36:13-18 KJV
13. Then Rabshakeh stood, and cried with a loud voice in the Jews' language, and said, Hear ye the words of the great king, the king of Assyria.
14. Thus saith the king, Let not Hezekiah deceive you: for he shall not be able to deliver you.
15. Neither let Hezekiah make you trust in the Lord, saying, The Lord will surely deliver us: this city shall not be delivered into the hand of the king of Assyria.
16. Hearken not to Hezekiah: for thus saith the king of Assyria, Make an agreement with me by a present, and come out to me: and eat ye every one of his vine, and every one of his fig tree, and drink ye every one the waters of his own cistern;
17. Until I come and take you away to a land like your own land, a land of corn and wine, a land of bread and vineyards.
18. Beware lest Hezekiah persuade you, saying, The Lord will deliver us. Hath any of the gods of the nations delivered his land out of the hand of the king of Assyria?

See there is a choice to be made by every man: The Lord our God or the king of Assyria?
And both of these are SPIRIT ~

Micah 4:1-5 KJV
1. But in the last days it shall come to pass, that the mountain of the house of the Lord shall be established in the top of the mountains, and it shall be exalted above the hills; and people shall flow unto it.
2. And many nations shall come, and say, Come, and let us go up to the mountain of the Lord, and to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will teach us of his ways, and we will walk in his paths: for the law shall go forth of Zion, and the word of the Lord from Jerusalem.
3. And he shall judge among many people, and rebuke strong nations afar off; and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruninghooks: nation shall not lift up a sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more.
4. But they shall sit every man under his vine and under his fig tree; and none shall make them afraid: for the mouth of the Lord of hosts hath spoken it.
5. For all people will walk every one in the name of his god, and [but] we will walk in the name of the Lord our God for ever and ever.

Zechariah 3:6-10 KJV
6. And the angel of the Lord protested unto Joshua, saying,
7. Thus saith the Lord of hosts; If thou wilt walk in my ways, and if thou wilt keep my charge, then thou shalt also judge my house, and shalt also keep my courts, and I will give thee places to walk among these that stand by.
8. Hear now, O Joshua the high priest, thou, and thy fellows that sit before thee: for they are men wondered at: for, behold, I will bring forth my servant the Branch.
9. For behold the stone that I have laid before Joshua; upon one stone shall be seven eyes: behold, I will engrave the graving thereof, saith the Lord of hosts, and I will remove the iniquity of that land in one day.
10. In that day, saith the Lord of hosts, shall ye call every man his neighbour under the vine and under the fig tree.

Mark 13:28-29 KJV
28. Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When her branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is near:
29. So ye in like manner, when ye shall see these things come to pass, know that it is nigh, even at the doors.

John 15:1-2 KJV
1. I am the true vine, and my Father is the husbandman.
2. Every branch in me that beareth not fruit he taketh away: and every branch that beareth fruit, he purgeth it, that it may bring forth more fruit.

Yeshua is the true Vine and the Father is the Husbandman-Planter-Pruner . . .

afaithfulone4u · Jun 28, 2013

John S said:
Considering that I believe that the "Mark of the Beast" will one day be a literal thing - then the answer to your question is NO. At this time, I do NOT have it and, hopefully, I will not have it in the future either.
I'm sure that other people consider it to be a figurative thing and they will discuss this in more detail with you.

BTW - On a personal note, I TRIED to get Bitter Sweet to leave that other site but she may not have done so.
Forgive me if you are not the person that she mentioned as being her friend.

Do you believe the mark upon Cain was a physical one? Why would God care if we have an actual mark upon our body, does that make us sinners or ungodly people? Wouldn't it more liking that the image of the Beast is his attributes, just as the image of Christ will be God's attributes? Couldn't worshipping the beast mean caring more for animals than human beings(family) as we are seeing in these last days where the beasts get better food, love, care than humans? If we see a beached whale we spend 1,000's to get them back out to sea, yet we murder fetus's daily, and we step over the sick and the hurting. But to worship the image of the beast means to follow and admire the attributes of evil deeds of dog eat dog nature without love and affection or the fear of God.
God does not care what clothes we wear, or what we like to eat or the way we wear our hair.... He is just trying to keep us from causing our fellow man harm or loss and to remember His Word(The Communion of The Christ) which is the love of God towards us and in turn shows our love for Him after all.. He is exactly as HIS WORD. You won't be able to buy or sell without taking the mark of the beast for sellers lie and false advertise to entice you to buy empty promises, and buyers manipulate and cheat and want to get what the seller has in his hand for little, so that they can keep their treasures and get the goods leaving the seller with little or no profit.

Yes thank you, Bitter Sweet is my sister in Christ from a prior forum please tell her I said hello if you hear from her.

Gen 4:15
15 And the LORD said unto him, Therefore whosoever slayeth Cain, vengeance shall be taken on him sevenfold. And the LORD set a mark upon Cain, lest any finding him should kill him.
KJV
NOW, in case we believe this mark to be visable that was put upon Cain. Take a look at Ezek and it appears that this mark is not a visable one, but a spiritual mark as was Cain's as will be those who the Seal of God will be upon. For our seal is the Holy Spirit having the Word indwelling our hearts to be in the image(attributes) of God.
Ezek 9:4
4 And the LORD said unto him, Go through the midst of the city, through the midst of Jerusalem, and set a mark upon the foreheads of the men that sigh and that cry for all the abominations that be done in the midst thereof.
KJV
Rev 20:4-6
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
KJV

Arnie Manitoba said:
The Mark of The Beast is still future

How the heck can we have it now ?

So are you saying that not all men will have to be tested to see if they will take the mark? If it is only in the future, then all the readers of the Bible who have passed on since Christ either do not have to be tested or already have been tested OR will be living on the earth in the end times to be tested. Which is it?

Arnie Manitoba · Jun 29, 2013

afaithfulone4u said:
So are you saying that not all men will have to be tested to see if they will take the mark? If it is only in the future, then all the readers of the Bible who have passed on since Christ either do not have to be tested or already have been tested OR will be living on the earth in the end times to be tested. Which is it?

Right now , the testing that all mankind goes through , is the acceptance or rejection of Jesus Christ , and the choices we make will determine our eternal destiny.

The Mark of the Beast is implemented in the book of revelation and those events are still in the future

At that time mankind will accept or reject the mark and it will determine their eternal destiny

If you think we are in the time period of the book of revelation you must stop teaching right now and learn some basic truths before you continue to deceive yourself or anybody else .

afaithfulone4u · Jun 29, 2013

Arnie Manitoba said:
Right now , the testing that all mankind goes through , is the acceptance or rejection of Jesus Christ , and the choices we make will determine our eternal destiny.

The Mark of the Beast is implemented in the book of revelation and those events are still in the future

At that time mankind will accept or reject the mark and it will determine their eternal destiny

If you think we are in the time period of the book of revelation you must stop teaching right now and learn some basic truths before you continue to deceive yourself or anybody else .

Again I ask, so you are saying that all men who have already passed on since Christ's ministry is living on the earth right now to be tested? If the testing is for all men to pass, then all men have had to take the test. They have either already taken the test in their life time, or they are taking the test now or will be shortly. For all men have to be tested.. correct? So how do you account for this to take place if you believe it is just taking some chip or something and not your thinking and works?

JB_Reformed Baptist · Jun 29, 2013

daq said:
Hahaha, you have basically stated what was already stated except that you hate the messenger who stated it.
Is this not the quote proudly displayed in your own signature below every one of your posts?

"It's a mark of an instructed mind to rest satisfied to the degree to which a subject omits and not seek exactness where only an approximation of the truth can be found. Aristotle"

I will take the Word of God over a disciple of the mind of Aristotle any and every day. :lol:

I didn't read the post, I read the title and responded to that. After all a heading should be indicative of the argument put forward. As to my quote I hardly think you understand its importance at all since you're looking at who wrote it and not the principle involved.

indeed this principle applies equally to the word of God as it does for anything else. As I said before. "Your imagination is vain. Your logic is flawed and you don't speak on behalf of GOD." B)

Have a nice day.

Arnie Manitoba said:
HUH ???????

Did someone spike your Vegemite ??

What I should have said although the above statement holds true. I believe in the end it will result in a mark of some kind that the world will be happy to take and where one may not be able to buy or trade.

daq · Jun 29, 2013

Arnie Manitoba said:
The Mark of the Beast is implemented in the book of revelation and those events are still in the future

At that time mankind will accept or reject the mark and it will determine their eternal destiny

Unbelievably self centered and indicative of this, (westernized) generation.

Arnie Manitoba said:
If you think we are in the time period of the book of revelation you must stop teaching right now and learn some basic truths before you continue to deceive yourself or anybody else .

Again unbelievably self centered. Scripture please!

JB_ said:
As I said before. "Your imagination is vain. Your logic is flawed and you don't speak on behalf of GOD." B)

Unbelievably self absorbed, hateful, and likewise revealing of what is in your heart and who put it there. And as I likewise said before: "you hate the messenger who made the statement" yet I am not him, nor have I claimed to be a messenger or the author of the Scriptures which I quote. However, if you hate him then it is no surprise you will hate his disciples also. Neither have I stated anywhere that "I speak for God" in any thread or board of this forum. The same one who put the hatred in your heart also taught you to make false accusations so as to destroy character and win your arguments based in the traditions of your fathers.

JB_ said:
What I should have said although the above statement holds true. I believe in the end it will result in a mark of some kind that the world will be happy to take and where one may not be able to buy or trade.

The flesh man loves it to be so because it is on the outside of the body and physical, where he can see it with his eyes, whether it would be injected by a needle, swallowed like a pill, or stamped upon his hand or forehead. Likewise the carnal man foolishly tells himself that he will not take "the mark" in the end but rather "die" or "get beheaded" when it comes down to it. However, if it ever truly came down to such a day, his belly would win the war over the mind because the "slow belly" (tanniyn-crocodile-dragon) is his god and his mind was already etched to begin with.

Arnie Manitoba · Jun 29, 2013

afaithfulone4u said:
Again I ask, so you are saying that all men who have already passed on since Christ's ministry is living on the earth right now to be tested? If the testing is for all men to pass, then all men have had to take the test. They have either already taken the test in their life time, or they are taking the test now or will be shortly. For all men have to be tested.. correct? So how do you account for this to take place if you believe it is just taking some chip or something and not your thinking and works?

Since the time of christ , every man (and woman) could accept Christ or reject His salvation. It is something that is done while the person is alive , whether it was back in the first century or today ..... there is no further "testing"

All The people who been alive and have passed on will some day be in front of the throne at judgement day ... and if you accepted Christ (while you were alive) you go to the right hand side (sheep) .... if you rejected Christ (while you were alive ) you go to the left (goats)

There is indeed a different time of testing to come upon all mankind at the end (revelation) ..... it is a time of wrath and tribulation and does not sound pleasant .... even for those who will follow Christ ..... but that time of testing is not here yet .... and we Christians hope to be raptured out , or kept safe during that time.

If it turns out that we are still alive when the Mark of The Beast is required .... then yes .... it will be a time of testing for everybody .... I cannot see the christian accepting the mark because they would be doomed as followers and worshipers of the beast.

afaithfulone4u said:
So how do you account for this to take place if you believe it is just taking some chip or something and not your thinking and works?

I should also add that our thinking and works are very important .... but not for testing reasons or salvation reasons .

There is a secondary judgment some day in the future and it is for Christians only and it is for rewards done because of our good works and good thinking .... if you have done a lot of good .... you will be greatly rewarded .... if you have done very little good .... very few rewards ..... but you are still in heaven .... because you believed in Christ

The rewards are a bonus and are applied to each individual according to the life we lived while we were alive on earth.

JB_Reformed Baptist · Jun 29, 2013

Unbelievably self absorbed, hateful, and likewise revealing of what is in your heart and who put it there. And as I likewise said before: "you hate the messenger who made the statement" yet I am not him, nor have I claimed to be a messenger or the author of the Scriptures which I quote. However, if you hate him then it is no surprise you will hate his disciples also. Neither have I stated anywhere that "I speak for God" in any thread or board of this forum. The same one who put the hatred in your heart also taught you to make false accusations so as to destroy character and win your arguments based in the traditions of your fathers.

Having trouble getting your head around the whole thing. Never mind just appeal to emotion, that solves everything. I bet you can't go without saying something back, right.

The flesh man loves it to be so because it is on the outside of the body and physical, where he can see it with his eyes, whether it would be injected by a needle, swallowed like a pill, or stamped upon his hand or forehead. Likewise the carnal man foolishly tells himself that he will not take "the mark" in the end but rather "die" or "get beheaded" when it comes down to it. However, if it ever truly came down to such a day, his belly would win the war over the mind because the "slow belly" (tanniyn-crocodile-dragon) is his god and his mind was already etched to begin with.

The Elects strength doesn't rest on his or her's abilities to stay true. Rather, it rest in the LORD'S and in this do we boast/rejoice.

2Co 12:9-10 And he said unto me, My grace is sufficient for thee: for my strength is made perfect in weakness. Most gladly therefore will I rather glory in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me. Therefore I take pleasure in infirmities, in reproaches, in necessities, in persecutions, in distresses for Christ's sake: for when I am weak, then am I strong.

daq · Jun 29, 2013

JB_ said:
Having trouble getting your head around the whole thing. Never mind just appeal to emotion, that solves everything. I bet you can't go without saying something back, right.

Was it myself who already once said "Bye" previously above with a special smiley?

I did not say "bye" but you did and now you are accusing someone else of your own deeds.
Yeshua has a word for that genos-kind which is recorded in the Gospel accounts for all to see. :lol:

JB_ said:
The Elects strength doesn't rest on his or her's abilities to stay true. Rather, it rest in the LORD'S and in this do we boast/rejoice.

2Co 12:9-10 And he said unto me, My grace is sufficient for thee: for my strength is made perfect in weakness. Most gladly therefore will I rather glory in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me. Therefore I take pleasure in infirmities, in reproaches, in necessities, in persecutions, in distresses for Christ's sake: for when I am weak, then am I strong.

Are you now speaking "on behalf of God" which is another thing you just accused me of doing?
Yeshua has a word for that also and it is the same as the word already implied in my comments above.

The phrase "staying true" is nothing more that another way to state "FAITHFULNESS" yet in stating such a thing you presume to have already entered into that Rest. This also you point toward in the passage which you quote from 2 Corinthians 12 where Paul is explaining his own harpazo-"catching up" to Paradise and the third heaven. Were you caught up to the Paradise or the third heaven? Where is your testimony so that others may read about it if this is true? If it is not true then how is it that you even know the first thing about the sufficency of the true Grace of God? For in quoting the passage you once again fail to acknowledge what Paul clearly states immediately before the famous "My grace is sufficient" statement which the Lord spoke unto Paul:

2 Corinthians 12:7-9 KJV
7. And lest I should be exalted above measure through the abundance of the revelations, there was given to me a thorn in the flesh, the messenger of Satan to buffet me, lest I should be exalted above measure.
8. For this thing I besought the Lord thrice, that it might depart from me.
9. And he said unto me, My grace is sufficient for thee: for my strength is made perfect in weakness. Most gladly therefore will I rather glory in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me.

Likewise the "Rest" from Hebrews you also "wrest" from its context to fashion your doctrine:

Hebrews 4:1-11 KJV
1. Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it.
2. For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.
3. For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.
4. For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works.
5. And in this place again, if they shall enter into my rest.
6. Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief:
7. Again, he limiteth a certain day, saying in David, To day, after so long a time; as it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts.
8. For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day.
9. There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.
10. For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.
11. Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief.

You may claim to have already entered into that "Rest" but I have to say that I do not believe you because the tree is known by his fruit. Are your fruits like the heads of full grain wheat or more like the tops of poisonous full grown tares? Are your figs like the first-ripe figs of Yacob and the house of Israel nourished in the Tsebiy-Beautiful Land or are they more like those of an Assyrian fig tree nourished by the waters of the great river of the land of the Assyrian? In other words who and what is the source of your nourishment? The only way to know is by your fruit.

You said the mark is a "spiritual/mental/heart condition" so why do you not apply the following to yourself or judge yourself?

Matthew 15:15-20 KJV
15. Then answered Peter and said unto him, Declare unto us this parable.
16. And Jesus said, Are ye also yet without understanding?
17. Do not ye yet understand, that whatsoever entereth in at the mouth goeth into the belly, and is cast out into the draught?
18. But those things which proceed out of the mouth come forth from the heart; and they defile the man.
19. For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies:
20. These are the things which defile a man: but to eat with unwashen hands defileth not a man.

Do you not see in the doctrine of Yeshua that murder comes from the heart and proceeds out of the mouth? One is therefore accounted as a murderer well before he physically commits the act with his hands and whether or not he actually ever physically commits the act at all.

1 John 3:15 therefore truly and clearly states:

1 John 3:11-15 KJV
11. For this is the message that ye heard from the beginning, that we should love one another.
12. Not as Cain, who was of that wicked one, and slew his brother. And wherefore slew he him? Because his own works were evil, and his brother's righteous.
13. Marvel not, my brethren, if the world hate you.
14. We know that we have passed from death unto life, because we love the brethren. He that loveth not his brother abideth in death.
15. Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer: and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him.

So whereas you proudly proclaim that you have entered into that "Rest" and it does not depend upon your faithfulness:
The Scripture says to us all that whosoever hates his brother is already a murderer just like his father Cain.

Do you have the mark of THE BEAST upon you? And where is it located if you do?

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