Do you have the mark of THE BEAST upon you? And where is it located if you do?

JB_Reformed Baptist · Jun 29, 2013

daq said:
Was it myself who already once said "Bye" previously above with a special smiley?
I did not say "bye" but you did and now you are accusing someone else of your own deeds.
Yeshua has a word for that genos-kind which is recorded in the Gospel accounts for all to see. :lol:

Are you now speaking "on behalf of God" which is another thing you just accused me of doing?
Yeshua has a word for that also and it is the same as the word already implied in my comments above.

The phrase "staying true" is nothing more that another way to state "FAITHFULNESS" yet in stating such a thing you presume to have already entered into that Rest. This also you point toward in the passage which you quote from 2 Corinthians 12 where Paul is explaining his own harpazo-"catching up" to Paradise and the third heaven. Were you caught up to the Paradise or the third heaven? Where is your testimony so that others may read about it if this is true? If it is not true then how is it that you even know the first thing about the sufficency of the true Grace of God? For in quoting the passage you once again fail to acknowledge what Paul clearly states immediately before the famous "My grace is sufficient" statement which the Lord spoke unto Paul:

2 Corinthians 12:7-9 KJV
7. And lest I should be exalted above measure through the abundance of the revelations, there was given to me a thorn in the flesh, the messenger of Satan to buffet me, lest I should be exalted above measure.
8. For this thing I besought the Lord thrice, that it might depart from me.
9. And he said unto me, My grace is sufficient for thee: for my strength is made perfect in weakness. Most gladly therefore will I rather glory in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me.

Likewise the "Rest" from Hebrews you also "wrest" from its context to fashion your doctrine:

Hebrews 4:1-11 KJV
1. Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it.
2. For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.
3. For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.
4. For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works.
5. And in this place again, if they shall enter into my rest.
6. Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief:
7. Again, he limiteth a certain day, saying in David, To day, after so long a time; as it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts.
8. For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day.
9. There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.
10. For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.
11. Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief.

You may claim to have already entered into that "Rest" but I have to say that I do not believe you because the tree is known by his fruit. Are your fruits like the heads of full grain wheat or more like the tops of poisonous full grown tares? Are your figs like the first-ripe figs of Yacob and the house of Israel nourished in the Tsebiy-Beautiful Land or are they more like those of an Assyrian fig tree nourished by the waters of the great river of the land of the Assyrian? In other words who and what is the source of your nourishment? The only way to know is by your fruit.

You said the mark is a "spiritual/mental/heart condition" so why do you not apply the following to yourself or judge yourself?

Matthew 15:15-20 KJV
15. Then answered Peter and said unto him, Declare unto us this parable.
16. And Jesus said, Are ye also yet without understanding?
17. Do not ye yet understand, that whatsoever entereth in at the mouth goeth into the belly, and is cast out into the draught?
18. But those things which proceed out of the mouth come forth from the heart; and they defile the man.
19. For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies:
20. These are the things which defile a man: but to eat with unwashen hands defileth not a man.

Do you not see in the doctrine of Yeshua that murder comes from the heart and proceeds out of the mouth? One is therefore accounted as a murderer well before he physically commits the act with his hands and whether or not he actually ever physically commits the act at all.

1 John 3:15 therefore truly and clearly states:

1 John 3:11-15 KJV
11. For this is the message that ye heard from the beginning, that we should love one another.
12. Not as Cain, who was of that wicked one, and slew his brother. And wherefore slew he him? Because his own works were evil, and his brother's righteous.
13. Marvel not, my brethren, if the world hate you.
14. We know that we have passed from death unto life, because we love the brethren. He that loveth not his brother abideth in death.
15. Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer: and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him.

So whereas you proudly proclaim that you have entered into that "Rest" and it does not depend upon your faithfulness:
The Scripture says to us all that whosoever hates his brother is already a murderer just like his father Cain.

There's no end to your charismatic verbosity, is there. To clear something up one has to be a brother in the first place and to hate means to murder, and that's as far from me as Satan is to Christ.

daq · Jun 29, 2013

JB_ said:
There's no end to your charismatic verbosity, is there. To clear something up one has to be a brother in the first place and to hate means to murder, and that's as far from me as Satan is to Christ.

Out of courtesy to the OP, so as not to hijack the thread anymore than we already have, I leave you the last word.

John S · Jun 29, 2013

AFO4U - I'm not talking about a "mark". I'm thinking that it might be a computer chip or something like that.

AFO4U and Daq - I left that other site because my opinions were not welcome there. I was only there a short time. NO ONE should allow themselves to be bullied around as much as she was.

Trumpeter · Jun 29, 2013

John S said:
AFO4U - I'm not talking about a "mark". I'm thinking that it might be a computer chip or something like that.

AFO4U and Daq - I left that other site because my opinions were not welcome there. I was only there a short time. NO ONE should allow themselves to be bullied around as much as she was.

Amen John,

I believe it will be literal also. Satan can imitate but he can't duplicate God. God bless.

This I say to you, concerning the beast...

Only now has the time come, where man has made it possible for the one called sin, evil and deceit, the one full of much lying and abominable ways, to rule. For by man’s works has he now made it possible for the likes of this evil to gain control, even to accomplish all he has conceived of to do. In no times past were there such devices of men by which he could rule in this manner, or chains such as these for him to shackle as many as he will, or the means by which he can devour as many as he will. Behold, now is the time for him to cast his net over the whole world... And who can escape?! For his eye will reach far and wide, his commands carried out on a whim. Now is the time, in which he can use the works of men for his evil purpose. Even from the heavens can he watch over his evil flock, and from the heavens can he destroy all those who oppose him, with fire, brimstone and fervent heat. Even now does he watch and lie in wait for his due time, as the lion waits in the tall grass for the moment, the opportune moment, to pounce and devour his prey. He has already begun to mark his people, and eagerly do they go... To death do they go! He is a cunning one, this evil one, for he will also come upon the world as a thief and a savior of men... But he will lead them, coax them and deceive them... And unto death will they go! And all, who will follow him and take his mark, will worship him, saying, “Who is like this man? And who knows what he knows? And who can stand against him?! Who?!... He is the one whom all have waited for. He will bring peace and prosperity to the nations.”

Many in that day will make a covenant with him...
A covenant built upon the sand, the sands of false hope and great iniquity...

They will rejoice in him, until the day his true faces are revealed.

Yet few will take notice, barely turning the head,
For they have all become adopted children of perdition.

In that day, they will be so far stuck in the mire of their sin and adultery,
With their hearts hardened, their eyes accustomed to darkness and theirs ears tuned to evil,
That they will be unable to flee from that which is about to overtake them...

Then swift destruction will I pour out upon them...

With no respite, nor hope of salvation or escape...
For their choice is made, goats branded for the slaughter...

Vessels meet for destruction.

I AM THE LORD!

Excerpt from:

Man of Perdition

http://trumpetcallofgodonline.com/index.php5?title=The_Man_of_Perdition

afaithfulone4u · Jun 29, 2013

JB_ said:
What a silly title for a discussion. Really, the ELECT of GOD can or might now or in the future have the "mark of the beast".

Do you believe that all who say they are Christian are the elect? Where did you get that from? Paul even warns that those who remain captive to sinful behavior will not inherit the kingdom of heaven. Saved and Elect are two totally different things, you do remember the 10 virgins don't you? How even though they were believers in Christ, they obviously were not REALLY followers of the Word at all for they were not ready at his appearing to gather his HOLY BODY.
Only the elect & martyr's shall be in the first resurrection for they did not take the mark of the beast(forehead/thoughts or hand/actions) or worship his image( admiring attributes of the wicked one)

You say how can the elect but I assume you mean a believer in Christ for we must know that their is a difference between called and chosen, that a believer can be guilty of taking the mark? Do you see how man is replacing human love for animals. Family is so detached from one another that we replace our family members with animals who love unconditionally. There may be some golden calf set up somewhere, but only those who have the traits of their fleshly animal nature will bow down to it. Remember that Adam did NOT find any companions among the animals and neither should God's holy people who worship the Creator not the creation.
Take a look at these verses:
Rev 20:4-6
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

You should understand from what you just read, that only the marytr's and the holy 144,000 blameless elect who will be the man child caught up in Rev 12:5 will rule and reign with Christ for the 1,000 years as his holy body, priests and kings.

5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished.

This (IN REV 12:4) is the first resurrection.
6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
KJV

John S said:
AFO4U - I'm not talking about a "mark". I'm thinking that it might be a computer chip or something like that.

AFO4U and Daq - I left that other site because my opinions were not welcome there. I was only there a short time. NO ONE should allow themselves to be bullied around as much as she was.

Greetings John S,
Think on this, if it is a matter of a chip implanted in the skin, what if all who ever enter a hospital are implanted with such a device without their knowledge. Does this make them liable for consenting to take the mark if it were done without their knowledge if it is as many think, only a matter of agreeing to wear a chip or tattoo, again isn't sinful disobedient behavior that God is against and wants to cleanse us from?

In other words which do you think is more antichrist (oppose the Word).... to have an id chip or tattoo in or on your body, or to commit abortion, be a willing soul to kill other souls for land or possessions(war) worship pets(creature more than the Creator), lie, cheat and steal to gain etc....

Arnie Manitoba said:
Since the time of christ , every man (and woman) could accept Christ or reject His salvation. It is something that is done while the person is alive , whether it was back in the first century or today ..... there is no further "testing"

All The people who been alive and have passed on will some day be in front of the throne at judgement day ... and if you accepted Christ (while you were alive) you go to the right hand side (sheep) .... if you rejected Christ (while you were alive ) you go to the left (goats)

There is indeed a different time of testing to come upon all mankind at the end (revelation) ..... it is a time of wrath and tribulation and does not sound pleasant .... even for those who will follow Christ ..... but that time of testing is not here yet .... and we Christians hope to be raptured out , or kept safe during that time.

If it turns out that we are still alive when the Mark of The Beast is required .... then yes .... it will be a time of testing for everybody .... I cannot see the christian accepting the mark because they would be doomed as followers and worshipers of the beast.

I should also add that our thinking and works are very important .... but not for testing reasons or salvation reasons .

There is a secondary judgment some day in the future and it is for Christians only and it is for rewards done because of our good works and good thinking .... if you have done a lot of good .... you will be greatly rewarded .... if you have done very little good .... very few rewards ..... but you are still in heaven .... because you believed in Christ

The rewards are a bonus and are applied to each individual according to the life we lived while we were alive on earth.

So you think that just accepting Christ means you did not take the mark of the beast?? Because I asked you how is it that the whole world who have lived since Christ will have a chance to be tested as to taking the mark of the beast. So since you say that it is only at the end BEFORE Christ's return that this test takes place and is a literal mark that other men can see on you or is implanted in you , then do you believe in reincarnation where all who have passed on earlier are alive today on this earth to be awaiting the test of the Mark of the Beast? Because every one MUST be tested right? I believe that there are those who REMAIN alive until his coming for his body they will NEVER DIE, but I do believe this to mean spiritually and our bodies are renewed like the eagle. When the resurrection happened of the OT saints at Jesus' resurrection, where do you say they went? Did they go into heaven with Christ? There is no record of that! Did they go right back down into the grave? What would be the purpose of them being resurrected as the first fruits? Did they live on and maybe again be renewed like the eagle like Jesus was Melchezidec and Elijah was John the Baptist says Jesus and I believe that Enoch may have been Moses but I have seen no scripture for that as of yet.
John 21:20-23
20 Then Peter, turning about, seeth the disciple whom Jesus loved following; which also leaned on his breast at supper(TOOK IN THE PURE MILK OF THE WORD), and said, Lord, which is he that betrayeth thee?

21 Peter seeing him saith to Jesus, Lord, and what shall this man do?

22 Jesus saith unto him, If I will that he tarry till I come, what is that to thee? follow thou me.
23 Then went this saying abroad among the brethren, that that disciple should not die: yet Jesus said not unto him, He shall not die; but, If I will that he tarry till I come, what is that to thee?
KJV

I know, I know it is destined for man to die ONCE. But do you understand there is a physical death and a spiritual death? If you do then you should see that spiritual death ends you from ever receiving the goodness of God and you live a life of hell. So to die(spiritually) ONCE so that you can be transformed into the image of a child of God for that is how angels are created by GOD Himself through trials and testings to train us up in standards for man was created a little lower than the angels and God is about to birth the new sons who have received the Love of the Truth being His Word to wash away their sinful ways.

Or do you say that they each in their time had been tested to see what road they chose life or death, cursing or blessing, Spirit led or fleshly led? And only those who were the BEST WINE SAVED TILL LAST filling their CLAY VESSELS with the LIVING WATER Immersion (Baptism) doing everything that the Master told them to do turning the clay into STONE as a living stone of the temple which is Christ's body and we are members of it being FIRM IN WORD AND DEED, IMMOVABLE STONE.

Arnie Manitoba · Jun 29, 2013

afaithfulone4u said:
So you think that just accepting Christ means you did not take the mark of the beast?? .... NOBODY has taken the Mark of The Beast yet ..... you are on the wrong track from the very start to think that way

Because I asked you how is it that the whole world who have lived since Christ will have a chance to be tested ....I am curious where you get this "testing" stuff from .......... we are either christian believers or we are not ..... there is not another "test to come" for us ....... the book of revelation may talk about a time of testing for all mankind ..... but we are not in the times of the book of revelation yet ......

You have a strange habit of grabbing verses from all over the bible and try to glue them together in some convoluted ways ..... But the glue does not stick when examined closely

thanks .... Arnie

Trumpeter · Jun 29, 2013

afaithfulone4u said:
Greetings John S,
Think on this, if it is a matter of a chip implanted in the skin, what if all who ever enter a hospital are implanted with such a device without their knowledge. Does this make them liable for consenting to take the mark if it were done without their knowledge if it is as many think, only a matter of agreeing to wear a chip or tattoo, again isn't sinful disobedient behavior that God is against and wants to cleanse us from?

In other words which do you think is more antichrist (oppose the Word).... to have an id chip or tattoo in or on your body, or to commit abortion, be a willing soul to kill other souls for land or possessions(war) worship pets(creature more than the Creator), lie, cheat and steal to gain etc....

Greetings sister!

The mark will never be given without consent because it is tied to the worship of the Antichrist.

Rev 19:20 Then the beast was captured, and with him the false prophet who worked signs in his presence, by which he deceived those who received the mark of the beast and those who worshiped his image. These two were cast alive into the lake of fire burning with brimstone.

There are 2 groups of people here, those who were deceived by signs worked by the false prophet, who received the mark, and those who worshipped the image.

Rev 14:11 "And the smoke of their torment ascends forever and ever; and they have no rest day or night, who worship the beast and his image, and whoever receives the mark of his name."

Rev 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat on them, and judgment was committed to them. Then [I saw] the souls of those who had been beheaded for their witness to Jesus and for the word of God, who had not worshiped the beast or his image, and had not received [his] mark on their foreheads or on their hands. And they lived and reigned with Christ for a thousand years.

I believe they will be deceived by THE LIE.

Rom 1:25 who exchanged the truth of God for the lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen.

2Th 2:11 And for this reason God will send them strong delusion, that they should believe the lie,

And what is THE LIE?

At the rapture, the lowly of the lowly who stand upright before God, and every single child of innocence, and the mentally handicapped shall be gone from the earth.
The Lord says the first harvest will be small and the second plenteous, and the second will be by martyrdom.
This means a lot of people in the church will be left and their children will be gone.

Mat 7:21 "Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven.

"you shall believe the lie that even aliens from other worlds and serpents have stole away your beloved..."

Woe to the serpent, the dragon, who does continually entice those who are void of the Spirit, with cleverly crafted tales... Lies within lies, sold to the ignorant as truth. For even satan will paint himself as an evil, detestable creature, so none will recognize him when he comes to lead many away from the Truth, which is absolute. Neither is there any shadow of turning, whatsoever, in My Word, nor can even one tittle be broken.

And so satan goes out to corrupt the hearts of many in preparation for the harvest, the gathering up of those who live in The Son of Salvation, so when the wide sweeping blow is carried out, he may stop many from believing the truth of who I am, lest the whole of creation turn back to The Lord their God. For there shall be many taken in that day, lowly of the lowly who stand upright before God, and every single child of innocence shall be gone from the earth. And the fathers and mothers shall mourn, and great shall be the wailing of them. For one shall be taken and the other left. Thus is the inheritance of the hard-hearted in that day. The earth shall be left in darkness, its light taken!
Woe to those who are left! Woe to those, who will not believe, you shall believe the lie that even aliens from other worlds and serpents have stole away your beloved... Wickedness! Great Blasphemy! You shall receive judgment, in full, for your wickedness, following after satan and his servant into condemnation and destruction...

Yet call on the name of The Lord in that day,

In all truth and supplications,

And you shall be delivered!

The Lord has spoken!

It shall be done...

The sun is setting on this age of men.

Behold the Morning Star, for it rises quickly,

And shall make an end and a beginning, which has no end.

For as I am, so is He I am sending....

The Alpha and Omega,

The Lord and your God, your King!...

The Holy One of Israel, Yeshua The Anointed of God...

By whom all things are and have life...

Even the Fashioner and Carpenter of all these worlds.

Amen.

Excerpt from:
Wolves in Sheep’s Clothing
http://trumpetcallofgodonline.com/index.php5?title=Wolves_in_Sheep%E2

veteran · Jun 29, 2013

The true mark of the beast location is in... the mind, and in the hand to symbolize doing its works. There may indeed be a physical outward mark too for buying and selling, but the real mark is spiritual, just as God's sealing mark of the cross is. So to have the mark of the beast is really about being sealed by the devil, and doing his work. And in relation to his future coming in place of Christ, his desire that you worship him in place of God, that shows his mark is just an attempted mimic of God's sealing mark in Christ Jesus.

Raeneske · Jun 29, 2013

afaithfulone4u said:
Could it be in your forehead? How about in your hand?
Do you think that everyone will be able to see it in those who do have it?

I have found a way to detect who has the mark of the beast, the Bible reveals to us the way to know.

It gives us many examples of how to tell and they always lead to the fruit that a man produces.
Yep Cain was our first example.. he had no reverence or faith nor fear of God so his offerings of all that God gave to him were just the stuff that he didn't want, that was just left over. While Abel gave the first and best of what he had.
Cain didn't care about his brother either, in fact he was jealous of him and wound up killing him just so he did not have to raise his own standards, but just killed off his competition which was his own brother in hopes to lower the bar .
He was a liar, a thief, murderer, faithless, having a dog eat dog beastly nature that is only SELF-CENTERED with no love for the good of their brother... don't misunderstand me, our brother is those of the Spirit... yet we are commissioned to take the gospel OFFER to the lost for the love of them. However we are not to become their welfare system setting our self up as their god. But we are to point to God as the one to come to for all their needs rather it be financial, health, provisions, protection, WISDOM so that they lay down that beastly nature and come to learning from the Spirit how to apply the Word of God in their everyday life to be reborn anew from a higher standard as Abel had. Not only is your fleshly nature of the beast that we must shed to set the captive free, but don't let the other Cain's around you hold you back from receiving the Love of God which is HIS TRUTH. For they love to teach you more of the ungodly ways but do not allow the devil to use others to influence you to oppose Christ for those who are ANTI-WORD(CHRIST) are not of God's Spirit and they can not receive the Love aka Word of God for life because it is only by the Spirit that one can say Jesus is Lord over all my thoughts(forehead) and actions(hand) Check yourself to see if you are walking in line with Christ as a son of God... or if you have been producing the fruit of the enemy of the beastly nature.
John 17:14-19
14 I have given them thy word; and the world hath hated them, because they are not of the world, even as I am not of the world.
15 I pray not that thou shouldest take them out of the world, but that thou shouldest keep them from the evil.
16 They are not of the world, even as I am not of the world.
17 Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.
18 As thou hast sent me into the world, even so have I also sent them into the world.
19 And for their sakes I sanctify myself, that they also might be sanctified through the truth.
KJV

Notice how the serpent aka Satan was called a beast?
Gen 3:1
3:1 Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?
KJV
Rev 12:9-10
9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.
KJV

Do you see it says the serpent is the ACCUSER of the brethren? I bet you think that means that those who bring up the law to brethren are the Accuser's? NO, FIRST Satan is THE TEMPTOR, to get you to break God's law.... THEN HE TURNS ACCUSER, however he does not accuse the ungodly.. he just bring the RIGHTEOUS's ungodly act they fell for to the JUDGE/FATHER. Over come temptation to sin against God and give the devil NOTHING to ACCUSE you before God of!
Matt 4:3-5
3 And when the tempter came to him, he said, If thou be the Son of God, command that these stones be made bread.
4 But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.
5 Then the devil taketh him up into the holy city, and setteth him on a pinnacle of the temple,
KJV

Don't think that the Temptor is doing this without God's knowledge.. for we all must shed our fleshly beast nature of dog eat dog and will be tried and tested as Jesus was... for it is the Spirit who leads us into the wilderness walk where we must each find our path to the promised land and the keys are written down in the GOOD BOOK.

Notice how Jesus fought his good fight of faith.. he used the sWord of the Spirit which is the Word of God.. IT IS WRITTEN:

Matt 4:1-7
4:1 Then was Jesus led up of the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted of the devil.
2 And when he had fasted forty days and forty nights, he was afterward an hungred.
3 And when the tempter came to him, he said, If thou be the Son of God, command that these stones be made bread.
4 But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.
5 Then the devil taketh him up into the holy city, and setteth him on a pinnacle of the temple,
6 And saith unto him, If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down: for it is written, He shall give his angels charge concerning thee: and in their hands they shall bear thee up, lest at any time thou dash thy foot against a stone.
7 Jesus said unto him, It is written again, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God.
KJV

But also notice that the enemy knows scripture as well... but it is a matter of DO YOU know the Word??

Jesus was tempted 3 times.. once he resisted the devils temptations to sin against God by whipping out his sWord of the Spirit(Word of God) the devil fled and the angels came to minister to Jesus the VICTORY, BLESSING, PEACE for his faithfulness.
That is our goal resist the devil and he will flee! Victory comes and blessing for faithfulness flow.

To answer your question at the start of the topic -- No. Not a single person has the mark of the beast yet. That is a future event which is rapidly coming to fruition.

Where is the mark of the beast placed upon you? Revelation 14:9 says "And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand,". The Mark is placed upon the hand and the forehead. Now I must ask one more question -- is the mark a literal or spiritual sign? When speaking of the 10 Commandments, we read this in Deuteronomy 11:18-19 "Therefore shall ye lay up these my words in your heart and in your soul, and bind them for a sign upon your hand, that they may be as frontlets between your eyes. And ye shall teach them your children, speaking of them when thou sittest in thine house, and when thou walkest by the way, when thou liest down, and when thou risest up." The 10 Commandments were to be laid within the hearts of us, and to be bound upon our hands and forehead. We were to live by them, our hearts obeying the Law of God that sin does not rise up in our hearts, we obey with our minds, that we do not sin so much as by a thought, and by our hands, that our actions do not become sinful. This is what it means to bind the Commandments of God upon your heart, forehead, and hands. These are spiritual things, and not literal things.

The mark of the beast is the counterfeit opposite of that which is the Seal of God. While we are obedient to God in everything He demands, the beast makes demands upon the people, that they should not obey God. The beast has his own command. While God says we follow Him, or else we shall lose our lives, the beast says the exact same thing, yet in a different manner. God tells us that whosoever shall lose their life, shall find it, but whosoever shall save their life, shall lose it. So we who give up the world, have gained eternal life. The beast demands of us to give up our eternal life, by disobeying the direct commands of God, and to save our temporal life.

What is the beast? Daniel 7:23 says "Thus he said, The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom upon earth, which shall be diverse from all kingdoms, and shall devour the whole earth, and shall tread it down, and break it in pieces." According to biblical prophecy, a beast is a kingdom. And what will this kingdom do? Revelation 13:11-17 "And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon. And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed. And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men, And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live. And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed. And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads: And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name."

And so the second beast, which arose out of the earth (opposite than that of the sea, for waters and seas are represented as people, Rev 17:15 says "And he saith unto me, The waters which thou sawest, where the whore sitteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues.", so then those that arise out of the earth do not arise in a widely populated area) started off as a lamb like nation. And so this lamblike nation shall begin to speak as a dragon ( A dragon is Satan, for Revelation 12:9 says "And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him."), opening its mouth and speaking things of Satan, and not things according to Biblical truth. This beast exercises the power as the beast before him, which was great in worldly power, and so this new beast which was lamblike, soon speaks as Satan and is a world dominating influence. This beast is prophesied to deceive those on the earth, saying that the world should worship the other beast. These lying signs and wonders deceive men, that they should all make an image of that other beast (Revelatin 17:1-3 "And there came one of the seven angels which had the seven vials, and talked with me, saying unto me, Come hither; I will shew unto thee the judgment of the great whore that sitteth upon many waters: With whom the kings of the earth have committed fornication, and the inhabitants of the earth have been made drunk with the wine of her fornication. So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns.") and as the other beast is a woman riding upon a beast, so shall this nation also become, meaning a church combined with the state. (A woman is a church, as we are called the bride of Christ, and see this 2 Corinthians 11:2 "For I am jealous over you with godly jealousy: for I have espoused you to one husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ.") And so they shall give life unto the image of the beast, and the image of the beast shall cause people to worship the image and the beast.

How is the beast worshipped? The same way God is worshipped -- obeying the commandments. Obeying God means you will obey His commandments only. If you obey the beast, you will follow the beast's commandments in direct opposite of God's commandments. For the beast will promise you temporal life, while God promises you eternal life. The beast will not allow you to buy or sell anything, unless you have the mark of the beast. But you must lose this life, to gain eternal life. You must obey God at all costs, and you must diligently pay attention to His commandments, and remain in strict obedience to God - for if you are honest with yourself, and honest about everything, and humble yourself to obey all of God's commandments as they are written, you shall not fall.

John S · Jun 29, 2013

What Trumpeter said - The Mark of the Beast will be a voluntary thing. NO ONE will be forced to get it - although if you don't get it, you won't be allowed in the hospital in the first place.
Your charge card is run over the scanner and it notes the amount that will be deducted from your account. Something like that is probably not that far away from being placed under a person's skin today. Run your hand over the scanner and your grocery bill will be deducted from your account.
The elimination of money will have "beneficial" results. Theft will be impossible. Criminal gangs, without money, will be eliminated. No one will ever again be permitted to hide money. The entire planet will see this "benefit".

JB_Reformed Baptist · Jun 29, 2013

veteran said:
The true mark of the beast location is in... the mind, and in the hand to symbolize doing its works. There may indeed be a physical outward mark too for buying and selling, but the real mark is spiritual, just as God's sealing mark of the cross is. So to have the mark of the beast is really about being sealed by the devil, and doing his work. And in relation to his future coming in place of Christ, his desire that you worship him in place of God, that shows his mark is just an attempted mimic of God's sealing mark in Christ Jesus.

I 100% concur. SHALOM

aspen · Jun 29, 2013

the mark of the beast is 666 - the mark of unredeemed humanity. In essence, it is selfishness

JB_Reformed Baptist · Jun 30, 2013

Raeneske said:
To answer your question at the start of the topic -- No. Not a single person has the mark of the beast yet. That is a future event which is rapidly coming to fruition.

Where is the mark of the beast placed upon you? Revelation 14:9 says "And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand,". The Mark is placed upon the hand and the forehead. Now I must ask one more question -- is the mark a literal or spiritual sign? When speaking of the 10 Commandments, we read this in Deuteronomy 11:18-19 "Therefore shall ye lay up these my words in your heart and in your soul, and bind them for a sign upon your hand, that they may be as frontlets between your eyes. And ye shall teach them your children, speaking of them when thou sittest in thine house, and when thou walkest by the way, when thou liest down, and when thou risest up." The 10 Commandments were to be laid within the hearts of us, and to be bound upon our hands and forehead. We were to live by them, our hearts obeying the Law of God that sin does not rise up in our hearts, we obey with our minds, that we do not sin so much as by a thought, and by our hands, that our actions do not become sinful. This is what it means to bind the Commandments of God upon your heart, forehead, and hands. These are spiritual things, and not literal things.

The mark of the beast is the counterfeit opposite of that which is the Seal of God. While we are obedient to God in everything He demands, the beast makes demands upon the people, that they should not obey God. The beast has his own command. While God says we follow Him, or else we shall lose our lives, the beast says the exact same thing, yet in a different manner. God tells us that whosoever shall lose their life, shall find it, but whosoever shall save their life, shall lose it. So we who give up the world, have gained eternal life. The beast demands of us to give up our eternal life, by disobeying the direct commands of God, and to save our temporal life.

What is the beast? Daniel 7:23 says "Thus he said, The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom upon earth, which shall be diverse from all kingdoms, and shall devour the whole earth, and shall tread it down, and break it in pieces." According to biblical prophecy, a beast is a kingdom. And what will this kingdom do? Revelation 13:11-17 "And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon. And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed. And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men, And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live. And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed. And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads: And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name."

And so the second beast, which arose out of the earth (opposite than that of the sea, for waters and seas are represented as people, Rev 17:15 says "And he saith unto me, The waters which thou sawest, where the whore sitteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues.", so then those that arise out of the earth do not arise in a widely populated area) started off as a lamb like nation. And so this lamblike nation shall begin to speak as a dragon ( A dragon is Satan, for Revelation 12:9 says "And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him."), opening its mouth and speaking things of Satan, and not things according to Biblical truth. This beast exercises the power as the beast before him, which was great in worldly power, and so this new beast which was lamblike, soon speaks as Satan and is a world dominating influence. This beast is prophesied to deceive those on the earth, saying that the world should worship the other beast. These lying signs and wonders deceive men, that they should all make an image of that other beast (Revelatin 17:1-3 "And there came one of the seven angels which had the seven vials, and talked with me, saying unto me, Come hither; I will shew unto thee the judgment of the great whore that sitteth upon many waters: With whom the kings of the earth have committed fornication, and the inhabitants of the earth have been made drunk with the wine of her fornication. So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns.") and as the other beast is a woman riding upon a beast, so shall this nation also become, meaning a church combined with the state. (A woman is a church, as we are called the bride of Christ, and see this 2 Corinthians 11:2 "For I am jealous over you with godly jealousy: for I have espoused you to one husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ.") And so they shall give life unto the image of the beast, and the image of the beast shall cause people to worship the image and the beast.

How is the beast worshipped? The same way God is worshipped -- obeying the commandments. Obeying God means you will obey His commandments only. If you obey the beast, you will follow the beast's commandments in direct opposite of God's commandments. For the beast will promise you temporal life, while God promises you eternal life. The beast will not allow you to buy or sell anything, unless you have the mark of the beast.

But you must lose this life, to gain eternal life. You must obey God at all costs, and you must diligently pay attention to His commandments, and remain in strict obedience to God - for if you are honest with yourself, and honest about everything, and humble yourself to obey all of God's commandments as they are written, you shall not fall.

I tend to agree with the tenor of your discussion. I'm particularly focused on the type Deuteronomy 11:18-19 in making clear the antitype. For it's from scripture alone will we hope to ever understand such prophecy and history as it unfolds.

veteran · Jun 30, 2013

I believe the spiritual concept of the mark of the beast began in God's Garden with the mark God put upon Cain. I believe it is directly associated with the mark in Revelation, within a final application of it.

In Revelation it's about the culmination of the working on earth by the children of darkness, those who serve the devil. When the "another beast" arrives and sets up the "image of the beast" in idol worship, that will culminate the whole of the idea for this world in my opinion.

Another reason I believe this is because of Bristowe's research of Assyriologists' translations of the ancient tablets about Sargon the first. Sargon appeared to the ancient Sumerians in 3800 B.C., having traveled from another land. His features were Semitic and he started the earliest known false worship of the devil, i.e., the worship of Bel, and from that start idol Baal worship would spread to the rest of the earth. Thus I believe Bristowe's suggestion that Sargon I most likely was Cain that God cast out of His Garden to the land of Nod, and that ancient Sumer-Babylon was the land of Nod.

afaithfulone4u · Jun 30, 2013

Trumpeter said:
Greetings sister!

The mark will never be given without consent because it is tied to the worship of the Antichrist.

Rev 19:20 Then the beast was captured, and with him the false prophet who worked signs in his presence, by which he deceived those who received the mark of the beast and those who worshiped his image. These two were cast alive into the lake of fire burning with brimstone.

There are 2 groups of people here, those who were deceived by signs worked by the false prophet, who received the mark, and those who worshipped the image.

Rev 14:11 "And the smoke of their torment ascends forever and ever; and they have no rest day or night, who worship the beast and his image, and whoever receives the mark of his name."

Rev 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat on them, and judgment was committed to them. Then [I saw] the souls of those who had been beheaded for their witness to Jesus and for the word of God, who had not worshiped the beast or his image, and had not received [his] mark on their foreheads or on their hands. And they lived and reigned with Christ for a thousand years.

I believe they will be deceived by THE LIE.

Rom 1:25 who exchanged the truth of God for the lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen.

2Th 2:11 And for this reason God will send them strong delusion, that they should believe the lie,

And what is THE LIE?

At the rapture, the lowly of the lowly who stand upright before God, and every single child of innocence, and the mentally handicapped shall be gone from the earth.
The Lord says the first harvest will be small and the second plenteous, and the second will be by martyrdom.
This means a lot of people in the church will be left and their children will be gone.

Mat 7:21 "Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven.

"you shall believe the lie that even aliens from other worlds and serpents have stole away your beloved..."

Woe to the serpent, the dragon, who does continually entice those who are void of the Spirit, with cleverly crafted tales... Lies within lies, sold to the ignorant as truth. For even satan will paint himself as an evil, detestable creature, so none will recognize him when he comes to lead many away from the Truth, which is absolute. Neither is there any shadow of turning, whatsoever, in My Word, nor can even one tittle be broken.

And so satan goes out to corrupt the hearts of many in preparation for the harvest, the gathering up of those who live in The Son of Salvation, so when the wide sweeping blow is carried out, he may stop many from believing the truth of who I am, lest the whole of creation turn back to The Lord their God. For there shall be many taken in that day, lowly of the lowly who stand upright before God, and every single child of innocence shall be gone from the earth. And the fathers and mothers shall mourn, and great shall be the wailing of them. For one shall be taken and the other left. Thus is the inheritance of the hard-hearted in that day. The earth shall be left in darkness, its light taken!
Woe to those who are left! Woe to those, who will not believe, you shall believe the lie that even aliens from other worlds and serpents have stole away your beloved... Wickedness! Great Blasphemy! You shall receive judgment, in full, for your wickedness, following after satan and his servant into condemnation and destruction...

Yet call on the name of The Lord in that day,
In all truth and supplications,
And you shall be delivered!

The Lord has spoken!
It shall be done...
The sun is setting on this age of men.

Behold the Morning Star, for it rises quickly,
And shall make an end and a beginning, which has no end.

For as I am, so is He I am sending....

The Alpha and Omega,

The Lord and your God, your King!...

The Holy One of Israel, Yeshua The Anointed of God...

By whom all things are and have life...
Even the Fashioner and Carpenter of all these worlds.

Amen.

Excerpt from:
Wolves in Sheep’s Clothing

Brother Trumpeter,
The lie is that man thinks because Jesus died for their sins, they do not have to live according to God's Word, which God's calls TRUTH, any longer for the law is dead they say...yet they forget the Word of Truth arose again on the 3rd day and those who are TRULY SAVED have been given the Spirit who is our helper to overcome the sinful nature so that we learn NOT to live LAWLESSLY. It is not about boogymen and monsters that God is against... He HATES LAWLESS WICKEDNESS that resides in even the meekest of men and that is all the goal is about, Good vs.Evil aka dog eat dog lustful self centered nature being in the image(attributes) of a BEAST over God fearing, Righteous living, Word of Truth loving in the image(attributes) of a Loving Father God. How can one say they LOVE God, yet reject and Hate Jesus... for He is the Word of God sent from the Father for our GOODNESS SAKE to show us the Truth so that we can be raised up to God's higher standard for His man whom He created in the beginning in HIS image(attributes) that walks UPRIGHT on two legs, not all fours as a dog/Beast.
We may be told to come as we are... but we don't just stand there in our dirty rags.. we must begin to get INTO the Word and begin to PUT ON Christ being clothed in God's righteousness so that God can clean us up as the Spirit and the Word operate within us internally to give us a HEART TRANSFORMATION. All who think they just say Jesus is Lord yet never even open their Bible to find out the MORE SURE WORD and seek God to reveal His Son unto them have been deceived and they stand with the ungodly who do not know Jesus either just as those in Jesus' day who sided with the corrupted government who had NO FEAR of God.

The God sends the delusion by the way of Satan who is THE LIAR and you will notice that the TRUTH is CHRIST THE LIVING WORD OF GOD!

John 17:17
17 Sanctify them through thy TRUTH: thy word is TRUTH
KJV
2 Thess 2:5-13
5 Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?
6 And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.
7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he{THE HOLY BODY OF CHRIST/ELECT/MAN CHILD CAUGHT UP REV.12} be taken out of the way.
8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of THE TRUTH, that they might be saved.
11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
12 That they all might be damned who believed not the TRUTH, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
13 But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the TRUTH:
KJV

veteran said:
I believe the spiritual concept of the mark of the beast began in God's Garden with the mark God put upon Cain. I believe it is directly associated with the mark in Revelation, within a final application of it.

In Revelation it's about the culmination of the working on earth by the children of darkness, those who serve the devil. When the "another beast" arrives and sets up the "image of the beast" in idol worship, that will culminate the whole of the idea for this world in my opinion.

Another reason I believe this is because of Bristowe's research of Assyriologists' translations of the ancient tablets about Sargon the first. Sargon appeared to the ancient Sumerians in 3800 B.C., having traveled from another land. His features were Semitic and he started the earliest known false worship of the devil, i.e., the worship of Bel, and from that start idol Baal worship would spread to the rest of the earth. Thus I believe Bristowe's suggestion that Sargon I most likely was Cain that God cast out of His Garden to the land of Nod, and that ancient Sumer-Babylon was the land of Nod.

Greetings Veteran,
Yes the mark that was put upon the Cain who God says was in the image(attributes) of the Wicked One being of the devils offspring(not a natural birth as many believe that are giants, but Large in stature PRIDE) is not a mark visible to the eye but just visible in the spiritual realm.
I used to wonder how does one man get others to follow them, even whole nations who don't even know the man personally? I asked God that question and He revealed to me that they have been give POWER BY GOD, that all rulers or anyone in authority is given spiritual mark/power over a group of people or in a government position and only God can remove it or leave it upon the person.
Even the corrupted one in position is there because God is allowing for some judgment to take place in that place, country, business or whatever it may be. We shall always reap what we have sown and God has a way of making sure that JUSTICE is served and is NO RESPECTOR OF PERSONS. He orchestrates the whole thing according to be carried out in PERFECT JUSTICE, He raises up kings and sets them down... good and evil serve Him for His purposes. God wishes for all to be good so that Blessings CAN be bestowed upon them instead of curses... but man in his fallen nature is not able to LIFT UP on his own... so God sent His Son, to correct this for WHO SO EVER WILL. To die in our place and remove all our PAST SINS so that NO MAN can boast of how good they WERE(NOT) over someone else. Then he made the Spirit available to WHO SO EVER WILL lay down their way of life to take up their CROSS(OVER FROM DEATH TO LIFE) to begin to walk out of a life of darkness and death.. into the Light of TRUTH which is the Word of God to be made anew by the Word of life indwelling them and working in them to be good not only when man is looking, but when God is seeing us in private in our inner most being where the root is.

Trumpeter · Jun 30, 2013

afaithfulone4u said:
Brother Trumpeter,
The lie is that man thinks because Jesus died for their sins, they do not have to live according to God's Word, which God's calls TRUTH, any longer for the law is dead they say...yet they forget the Word of Truth arose again on the 3rd day and those who are TRULY SAVED have been given the Spirit who is our helper to overcome the sinful nature so that we learn NOT to live LAWLESSLY. It is not about boogymen and monsters that God is against... He HATES LAWLESS WICKEDNESS that resides in even the meekest of men and that is all the goal is about, Good vs.Evil aka dog eat dog lustful self centered nature being in the image(attributes) of a BEAST over God fearing, Righteous living, Word of Truth loving in the image(attributes) of a Loving Father God. How can one say they LOVE God, yet reject and Hate Jesus... for He is the Word of God sent from the Father for our GOODNESS SAKE to show us the Truth so that we can be raised up to God's higher standard for His man whom He created in the beginning in HIS image(attributes) that walks UPRIGHT on two legs, not all fours as a dog/Beast.
We may be told to come as we are... but we don't just stand there in our dirty rags.. we must begin to get INTO the Word and begin to PUT ON Christ being clothed in God's righteousness so that God can clean us up as the Spirit and the Word operate within us internally to give us a HEART TRANSFORMATION. All who think they just say Jesus is Lord yet never even open their Bible to find out the MORE SURE WORD and seek God to reveal His Son unto them have been deceived and they stand with the ungodly who do not know Jesus either just as those in Jesus' day who sided with the corrupted government who had NO FEAR of God.

The God sends the delusion by the way of Satan who is THE LIAR and you will notice that the TRUTH is CHRIST THE LIVING WORD OF GOD!

John 17:17
17 Sanctify them through thy TRUTH: thy word is TRUTH
KJV
2 Thess 2:5-13
5 Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?
6 And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.
7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he{THE HOLY BODY OF CHRIST/ELECT/MAN CHILD CAUGHT UP REV.12} be taken out of the way.
8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of THE TRUTH, that they might be saved.
11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
12 That they all might be damned who believed not the TRUTH, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
13 But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the TRUTH:
KJV

Hi Faithfulone,

Amen! You are so right with what you posted here and I wholeheartedly agree with you, except for the 1st word, "The".

I believe THE LIE is what will cause the deceived to worship the Antichrist:

Rom 1:25 who exchanged the truth of God for the lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen.

And why do they do this?

Because they will be deceived by the antichrist and the false prophet by the signs and wonders that they do.

Mat 24:24 "For false christs and false prophets will rise and show great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect.

So the signs and wonders are tied to getting the elect to believe THE LIE.

Look at what the harlot is pushing now, this is setting everybody up to believe THE LIE!

Christians will not immediately need to renounce their faith in God “simply on
the basis of the reception of [this] new, unexpected information of a religious
character from extraterrestrial civilizations.” However, once the “religious
content” originating from outside the earth “has been verified” they will have
to conduct “a re-reading [of the Gospel] inclusive of the new data…”

– Vatican Astronomer, Eminent Theologian and Full Professor of Fundamental Theology
at the Pontificia Università della Santa Croce in Rome [Connected With Opus Dei], Father Giuseppe Tanzella-Nitti

"you shall believe the lie that even aliens from other worlds and serpents have stole away your beloved..."

Excerpt from:
Wolves in Sheep’s Clothing

dripping yellow madness · Jun 30, 2013

markof the beast??? A dog bit me once and i have a scar haha!

Guestman · Jul 13, 2013

Is it not the wise course to identify just who the "wild beast" is first before it can be determined what the "mark of the beast " is ? At Revelation 13:1, it says that the ' dragon stood still upon the sand of the sea.' Then, suddenly there appears "a wild beast ascending out of the sea, with ten horns and seven heads, and upon its horns ten diadems, but upon its heads blasphemous names." This "wild beast" mirrors the "dragon", Satan the Devil, for at Revelation 12:3, it says that "a great fiery-colored dragon, with seven heads and ten horns and upon its heads seven diadems." Why ?

Satan is the "wild beast" creator, having caused rebellious mankind to form political governments that has extended themselves down till our day, he is the one seen as ' standing upon the (symbolic) sea ', the restless masses of mankind that is never satisfied but always vocalizing for a "change".(Isa 57:20, see also Prov 24:21, 22)

Over the course of some 4, 200 years, Satan has been keeping the "wild beast" alive, his created political arrangement of human governments, represented by the "ten horns".

And over the course of some 4 millenniums, there has been seven world powers that have had a direct impact upon Jehovah God's people, (1) Egypt, (2) Assyria, (3) Babylon, (4) Medo-Persia, (5) Greece, (6) Rome, (7) the Anglo-American dual world power of Britain / America, these being represented by the "seven heads".

Hence, what does it mean to have the ' mark of the beast in their right hand or upon their forehead ' ? Simply put, it means to provide either physical assistance or aid such as by the "right hand" or even to mentally give support such as voicing one's view of wishing to sustain it, as noted by the "mark" in the "forehead".(Rev 13:16)

Jesus said that his genuine disciples were to be "no part of the world", remaining politically neutral even as Jesus was.(John 15:19) In prayer to his (and ours) Father, he said: "I request you, not to take them out of the world, but to watch over them because of the wicked one (Satan). They are no part of the world, just as I am no part of the world."(John 17:15, 16)

By participating in the political arena or voicing or providing any assistance or support for any political government, ones have put upon themselves the ' mark of the beast'. Those who do so, have God's wrath remaining against them, for Jesus said: "He that exercises faith in the Son (by being "no part of the world", of which politics is a part) has everlasting life; he that disobeys the Son (by involving themselves in the political arena) will not see life, but the wrath of God remains upon him."(John 3:36)

Pelaides · Jul 13, 2013

Sometimes i think the mark of the beast can be found right in our pockets on the american dollar bill.The pyramid with the all seeing eye,the eye of horus,a pagan symbol from a cult destined to take over the world.

Trumpeter · Jul 13, 2013

Greetings all,

I have a question for all those who think the mark is spiritual.

Would any of you have any problem with being implanted with a computer chip in your right hand or forehead to facilitate your daily commerce?

Recent polls of the general public show that anywhere from 60-90% would welcome such a chip to consolidate all of their personal and financial data into one place on their body.

Just wondering what you all have to say about it.

Do you have the mark of THE BEAST upon you? And where is it located if you do?

Many are called but few are chosen.

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