Light? Gen 1:3

Dan57 · Jun 30, 2013

I'm wondering if anyone knows where the light came from in Genesis 1:3? Actually, someone asked me about this today and I didn't have an answer, but I told them I'd try to find out. The folks asking are not Christian, but are thinking (searching) for answers in the bible, so I'd like to give them a biblical answer if possible. The sun had not been created until Genesis 1:14-16, so they assume the verses are out of order. They also mentioned Matthew 24:29-30, where Jesus said the sun will be darkened, but then says that we'll still see the Son of man coming. How?

I emailed a Jewish friend of mine, actually a Rabbi, and his lazy two-word response was "Shekinah Glory", but that word is not in the bible? I also looked-up "light" in the Strong's concordance (216) and it just says illumination. All I can figure is that where there is no sun, God is the source of the light, Revelation 21:23 seems to confirm this? Anyhow, that is what I'm going to tell them and hope their content with the answer, but any additional information or verses would be appreciated.

aspen · Jun 30, 2013

The Light came from God and was given to Moses so he could receive the mystical vision of creation.

ENOCH2010 · Jun 30, 2013

Dan57 read the millions of years ago thread

Suhar · Jun 30, 2013

[SIZE=medium]I saw that light once. Most profound experience of my life. The “unapproachable light” which God lives in.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=medium] 1 Timothy 6:16 [/SIZE]

Dan57 · Jun 30, 2013

ENOCH2010 said:
Dan57 read the millions of years ago thread

I skimmed through 3 pages and found nothing helpful with regards to light on that thread. Some opinions saying that the sun and moon already existed, but just weren't giving off light yet? But Gen 1:16 clearly states that God made 2 great lights on day 4, so I'm assuming that the light mentioned in verse 3 existed prior to the light made on day four? Thanks anyhow.

Suhar · Jun 30, 2013

Light of God is there always. Not forever before or forever after. God and His light is outside if time itself. Once you see it you can experience it but you cannot explain it to anybody. Absence of time is a concept that is totally foreign to human mind untill you are There.

Rex · Jul 1, 2013

Dan57 said:
I'm wondering if anyone knows where the light came from in Genesis 1:3? Actually, someone asked me about this today and I didn't have an answer, but I told them I'd try to find out. The folks asking are not Christian, but are thinking (searching) for answers in the bible, so I'd like to give them a biblical answer if possible. The sun had not been created until Genesis 1:14-16, so they assume the verses are out of order. They also mentioned Matthew 24:29-30, where Jesus said the sun will be darkened, but then says that we'll still see the Son of man coming. How?

I emailed a Jewish friend of mine, actually a Rabbi, and his lazy two-word response was "Shekinah Glory", but that word is not in the bible? I also looked-up "light" in the Strong's concordance (216) and it just says illumination. All I can figure is that where there is no sun, God is the source of the light, Revelation 21:23 seems to confirm this? Anyhow, that is what I'm going to tell them and hope their content with the answer, but any additional information or verses would be appreciated.

To get you started I would first take then to John 1:1-16 and consider the use of the word "light" and who John applies this to. Without saying I hope you will also consider "word" as in the word became flesh "being the flesh of man and dwelt among us. Show them that Jesus also claimed to be the light John 8:12

Note to them that God "the Father is Spirit" John 4:23-24

You can then take them to Col 1:15-20 and let them ponder about how God the Father "who is Spirit" manifested himself in the physical creation.

You can now Take them back to John 1:18 and let them ponder now that no man has seen God the Father, and let them ponder the question about then who was it then that spoke to all the people and prophets threw-out the OT? Who was it that appeared at the door of Abraham's tent? If no man has seen the Father.
John 5:37
John 6:46
1 Tim 6:16
1 John 4:12
John 12:45-46

I hope that gives you a conversation starting point
My the Lord bring all things unto remembrance>
In all the light spoken of in Gen 1:3 can be none other than Jesus. It certainly isn't the sun, If you have looked at sciences understanding of the big bang light was the result of matter coming into being, they really don't know that anything excised before this event, but the math indicates that all the matter "substance" in the universe resulted from something smaller than an atom, science calls it the singularity, "where all the matter and energy in the Universe were present at a single point," this is the point that God said let their be light, and the matter from this small object was released resulting in light. As it cooled subatomic particles started forming the first atoms, Proverbs chapter 8 is witness to the creator forming the heavens and the earth. Most notable, setting the boundaries or what we may know as the laws of physics. So there you have the thumbnail sketch from science, light was the first thing "substance" created, all that would latter become atoms was nothing but a hot boiling mass of subatomic particles.

Arnie Manitoba · Jul 1, 2013

Dan57

Notice God created light before he made the sun

The sun is not required in order to have light

This is the elementary mistake most people make when reading Genesis

We can go to the deepest darkest part of the ocean and find living things that emit light

A firefly emits light without using the sun

Lightening in the sky can be brighter than the sun without requiring the sun as the source of the light

I also feel "time" itself was created at the time of creation .... previous to that everything was "eternal'' (without time) ..... and some time in the future God reverts everything back to being eternal.

I sometimes speculate that God implemented "time" in order to put an end to Satan and sin.

You cannot end something if it does not have a beginning .... the element of "time' is required .

I feel the "element of light" may very well play an additional role in the spiritual realm ..... Satan operates as a "dark spirit" and God is light .... and the light wins in the end.

Those are just some thoughts and speculation on my part ..... but it is clear that "light" itself is an entity on it's own ..... and when the sun was created it made use of the ... "thing called light" .... that was created beforehand.

best wishes

Suhar · Jul 1, 2013

OP will never understand answer to his questions until he drops the limits to which he can accept the answer.

That Rabbi told you an answer but you limit yourself to the point of not being able to understand it.

[SIZE=medium]God is the source of light. Sun is only a chemical reaction set up by God Whose Light is above of them all.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=medium]Do not limit yourself to verses. Bible is not a destination, it is a guide.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=medium]Verses are absolute like the perfect map to an absolute Treasure. [/SIZE]
[SIZE=medium]Seek God based on and guided on by His Word but do not stop on learning the map. Seek God on personal, intimate level.[/SIZE]

Eric E Stahl · Jul 2, 2013

E=mc(squared)

Maybe God took part of himself to make creation. Light would be part of God. We can only see a small part of the light specterum.

Jesus in his glorified body shines as the sun in it's strength Revelation 1:9-17

Dan57 · Jul 2, 2013

Arnie Manitoba said:
Dan57

Notice God created light before he made the sun

The sun is not required in order to have light

This is the elementary mistake most people make when reading Genesis

We can go to the deepest darkest part of the ocean and find living things that emit light

Thanks, that makes sense and I understand that God doesn't need the sun to emanate light. I plan to relay that point to them. They are somewhat disgruntled with answers they've gotten because there's no biblical clarification. I believe they can be persuaded to be Christian, especially if they can trust the bible to be the inspired Word of God. Others have told them that Genesis is allegorical and is not to be taken literally. Also that Moses was not there and wrote it wrong. I think they'd be Christians by now if not for all the confusing answers. It sad to me because others are more-less telling them that the first chapter of the bible is screwed-up and can't be trusted. They're currently at a fragile point, so my goal is to biblically substantiate everything I tell them.

Suhar said:
OP will never understand answer to his questions until he drops the limits to which he can accept the answer.

That Rabbi told you an answer but you limit yourself to the point of not being able to understand it.

[SIZE=medium]God is the source of light. Sun is only a chemical reaction set up by God Whose Light is above of them all.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=medium]Do not limit yourself to verses. Bible is not a destination, it is a guide.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=medium]Verses are absolute like the perfect map to an absolute Treasure. [/SIZE]
[SIZE=medium]Seek God based on and guided on by His Word but do not stop on learning the map. Seek God on personal, intimate level.[/SIZE]

The people who posed the question desire a biblical answer, not my opinion. My inquiry here was for verses that might help supply them with a biblical explanation. Other Christians have already given them mixed answers, including that the verses are out-of-order. So my objective is to try and show them a bible backed answer because they aren't interested in speculation, opinions, or conclusions based on what I think.

I can't very well tell them to throw their bibles out because its a limited inadequate book. I understood the Rabbi's answer, but Shekinah is not a word in the bible. I do plan to tell them that God was the source of light before the sun was made, and use Revelation 21:23 as confirmation. These folks are currently non-Christians who are trying to learn what the bible teaches, they don't want a bunch of fluff and aren't at a point where they'll accept an imaginary map.

Thanks to all for your input.

Suhar · Jul 2, 2013

Dan57 said:
Thanks, that makes sense and I understand that God doesn't need the sun to emanate light. I plan to relay that point to them. They are somewhat disgruntled with answers they've gotten because there's no biblical clarification. I believe they can be persuaded to be Christian, especially if they can trust the bible to be the inspired Word of God. Others have told them that Genesis is allegorical and is not to be taken literally. Also that Moses was not there and wrote it wrong. I think they'd be Christians by now if not for all the confusing answers. It sad to me because others are more-less telling them that the first chapter of the bible is screwed-up and can't be trusted. They're currently at a fragile point, so my goal is to biblically substantiate everything I tell them.

The people who posed the question desire a biblical answer, not my opinion. My inquiry here was for verses that might help supply them with a biblical explanation. Other Christians have already given them mixed answers, including that the verses are out-of-order. So my objective is to try and show them a bible backed answer because they aren't interested in speculation, opinions, or conclusions based on what I think.

I can't very well tell them to throw their bibles out because its a limited inadequate book. I understood the Rabbi's answer, but Shekinah is not a word in the bible. I do plan to tell them that God was the source of light before the sun was made, and use Revelation 21:23 as confirmation. These folks are currently non-Christians who are trying to learn what the bible teaches, they don't want a bunch of fluff and aren't at a point where they'll accept an imaginary map.

Thanks to all for your input.

Unapproachable light that God lives in is very biblical. Do you think God lives inside of Sun? He has His own light greater then all.

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