with out the infant baptised there would not be one christian to day

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Selene

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jiggyfly said:
But thats not what the scripture you quoted states, your reading that into it. Who is the "them" that Peter was speaking to?

Can infants repent?
The forgiveness of sins is for everyone because even babies have sin. Adults have personal sins, but babies have the original sin. This is the reason why St. Peter says that the promise of the Holy Spirit is also for their children. And I already showed you that children can be referred to those 2 years old and under.
 

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But the promise to them is "repent and be baptized" and they will receive the HolySpirit. Your omitting the "repent" to justify your belief.

Was Peter speaking to infants?
 

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But the promise to them is "repent and be baptized" and they will receive the HolySpirit. Your omitting the "repent" to justify your belief.

Was Peter speaking to infants?
Repent is only for adults. The baptism for the forgiveness of sins is for everyone. Peter was speaking to a multitude of people from different countries who had their children with them. I don't think that they left their little children at home alone by themselves.
 

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Repent is only for adults. The baptism for the forgiveness of sins is for everyone. Peter was speaking to a multitude of people from different countries who had their children with them. I don't think that they left their little children at home alone by themselves.
Again thats not what Peter said, this is a prime example of the control that religious paradigm has on our ability to understand the truth.

If it is just a matter of being water baptized and not believing in Christ and repenting (changing the way you think) then everyone could be a part of Christ's ekklesia regardless of what they believe.
 

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Repent is only for adults.
Not true, it is for anyone old enough to make that decision, Here in aus 18 is considered an adult even though these days many are still acting like children at 30. Who knows at what age one is capable of making that decision,God knows we dont.
The baptism for the forgiveness of sins is for everyone
It is for those who can make the decision. A child cannot make the choice they simply wouldnt understand. Get it. And until they can make that decision they belong to God,

Mat_19:14 But Jesus said, Suffer little children, and forbid them not, to come unto me: for of such is the kingdom of heaven.

Leave the children alone, they are in His hands.


Mat_23:13 But woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye shut up the kingdom of heaven against men: for ye neither go in yourselves, neither suffer ye them that are entering to go in.

I hope you understand.

In all His Love
 

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Selene said:
Actually, there is a hint that it does teach infant baptism.

Acts 2:38-39 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. For the promise is unto you, and to your children (teknon), and to all that are afar off, [even] as many as the Lord our God shall call.

The Greek word for "children" in this passage is "teknon". This Greek word is also used in Matthew 2:18.

Matthew 2:18 In Rama was there a voice heard, lamentation, and weeping, and great mourning, Rachel weeping [for] her children, (teknon) and would not be comforted, because they are not.

Rachel was weeping for her children because Herold had killed all the little boys who were 2 years old and under.
The Greek word for, "Children", I Acts 2: 39, Is, "Teknon", It means children of an age of understanding, It means One born to a family, They could be grown up, Just like I ask a lady how her children are, And they are in their thirties.
Teknon has the same meaning as, "Ben" from Jer 31: 15, What Matt 2: 18 is quoting from., And neither of them mean infants.

The Greek word for, "Little children", Is "Pais"

If Acts 2: 39 meant infants, The Greek word would have been, "Brephos".

Plus, How can an infant, Hear the gospel, Believe it, Repent, get born again and chose to be baptised???, Because that is God's way for baptism.
 

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Alanforchrist said:
The Greek word for, "Children", I Acts 2: 39, Is, "Teknon", It means children of an age of understanding, It means One born to a family, They could be grown up, Just like I ask a lady how her children are, And they are in their thirties.
Teknon has the same meaning as, "Ben" from Jer 31: 15, What Matt 2: 18 is quoting from., And neither of them mean infants.

The Greek word for, "Little children", Is "Pais"

If Acts 2: 39 meant infants, The Greek word would have been, "Brephos".

Plus, How can an infant, Hear the gospel, Believe it, Repent, get born again and chose to be baptised???, Because that is God's way for baptism.
The Greek word "Teknon" does not indicate the age of the child. It could also mean children two years old and under because the same word was used in Matthew 2:18....where it was referring to children 2 years old and under.
 

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The Greek word "Teknon" does not indicate the age of the child. It could also mean children two years old and under because the same word was used in Matthew 2:18....where it was referring to children 2 years old and under.
Thats, right, Teknon doesn't indicate the age of a child, It could be in his/her thirties.
But we know from the Bible and the Greek, That it doesn't mean infants.

It also doesn't mean young children, Because the Greek word for "Little children" ."Pais".
So, Teknon" Isn't for children who aren't at the age of understanding, Because the Bible says one must hear, believe, Repent, get born again and chose to be baptised.

As for Matt 2: 18, "Teknon" is a wrong misleading word put it by man.
To understand the Bible, You need to know when it's God doing the talking, When it is a Biblical charater talking Or when it is the translater putting the wrong meanings in.
And the way we know if it is wrong, Is, If it 's out of context with the scriptures, And Matt 2: 18, Is out of context with Those who need to be at the age of understanding.
 
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