Adult baptism whats the big deal is about it..

Niki · Aug 20, 2013

So back to my original question which is actually the crux of the matter.....

Does faith in Christ save one or does baptism, infant or adult save one?

You see, as comfortable as some may be with thinking baptism saves, that is not what scripture teaches.

It has nothing do with age. It has everything to do with the reason Jesus died.

I'll leave you to worry because I never mentioned being worried. ^_^

Pushing a personal belief or agenda is not even being discussed and not what I posted.

You posted a reference to Rom 14:1....it is not the weak or strong faith that has significance in this instance. It is actually the right or wrong teaching that is of substance.

If you cannot decide for yourself, be aware that Christians generally see the need to believe in Christ first and then are baptized after that fact.

If you still think there is room for discussion or someone is worried, then you are trying to convince me of something other than what I already have affirmed in the Bible.

Sorry...the Bible does not leave everything to feelings and loose ends. That is not my conviction.

I think you may just have wanted to seem magnanimous in your acceptance of other's faith, but while that might make you feel good, it is not the truth.

The truth was delivered once and for all. Kindly just refer to this post because that is really all I have to say regarding your particular line of avoiding the bigger questions.

Arnie Manitoba · Aug 20, 2013

Niki said:
So back to my original question which is actually the crux of the matter.....

Does faith in Christ save one or does baptism, infant or adult save one?

I happen to think that I am saved by faith

Niki said:
You see, as comfortable as some may be with thinking baptism saves, that is not what scripture teaches.

What about Acts 22:16

Niki said:
It has nothing do with age. It has everything to do with the reason Jesus died.

Actually baptism began with the instructions of repentance and confession of sins .... even before there was a Christ to have faith in
Matt 3:6
Mark 1:5

and another one that indicates a baptism of repentance for the forgiveness of sins
Luke 3:3

Niki said:
Sorry...the Bible does not leave everything to feelings and loose ends. That is not my conviction.

Lots of loose ends regarding baptism ... thus the centuries of debate

I happen to pretty much agree with baptism the way you do Niki , I always have ..... but I have learned that my beliefs are not written in stone and some baptism verses leave me twisting in the wind because they are (somewhat) contrary to my position

in other words I have learned to accept the views of others .... even if they are only partly correct .... because under close examination I am only partly correct as well.

Hey Niki .... do you know where i think everybody goes wrong in these debates ? ...... my guess is that we try to mix salvation and forgiveness of sins into the same bundle.

If we look closely .... a lot of baptism verses talk about forgiveness of sins (cleansing) .... and are not about salvation (by faith) in Christ

Of course we know the two go together (salvation and forgiveness) ..... but baptism arguments often confuse between the two ..... hope that makes sense

I do not have the time to look all the verses up ..... but let me know if you see the same thing

ps: .... like you , I prefer to have firm beliefs without a lot of loose ends .... but often when I feel i have everything nailed down someone will show me a verse that leaves me twisting in the wind

I appreciate your comments and debating style .... thank you

Arnie M.

Alanforchrist · Aug 20, 2013

Arnie Manitoba said:
I happen to think that I am saved by faith

What about Acts 22:16

Actually baptism began with the instructions of repentance and confession of sins .... even before there was a Christ to have faith in
Matt 3:6
Mark 1:5

and another one that indicates a baptism of repentance for the forgiveness of sins
Luke 3:3

Lots of loose ends regarding baptism ... thus the centuries of debate

I happen to pretty much agree with baptism the way you do Niki , I always have ..... but I have learned that my beliefs are not written in stone and some baptism verses leave me twisting in the wind because they are (somewhat) contrary to my position

in other words I have learned to accept the views of others .... even if they are only partly correct .... because under close examination I am only partly correct as well.

Hey Niki .... do you know where i think everybody goes wrong in these debates ? ...... my guess is that we try to mix salvation and forgiveness of sins into the same bundle.

If we look closely .... a lot of baptism verses talk about forgiveness of sins (cleansing) .... and are not about salvation (by faith) in Christ

Of course we know the two go together (salvation and forgiveness) ..... but baptism arguments often confuse between the two ..... hope that makes sense

I do not have the time to look all the verses up ..... but let me know if you see the same thing

ps: .... like you , I prefer to have firm beliefs without a lot of loose ends .... but often when I feel i have everything nailed down someone will show me a verse that leaves me twisting in the wind

I appreciate your comments and debating style .... thank you

Arnie M.

Water baptism is Biblicaly taught as Hear the gospel, Believe it, Repent and get born again, Then one can be baptised.
It is an outward sign of an ALREADY inward experience, It is one identifying themselves with the death, Burriel and resurrection of Jesus.
The original Greek texts says that baptism doesn't save.
Some scriptures might indicate that water baptism saves, But that is what the translaters wrongly translated.
For instance, in Mk 16: 16, The Greek emphesis for, "Saved", Is on the "Believing", NOT BAPTISM.
The Greek emphesis for, "Remision of sins", In Acts 2: 38, Is on the, "Repenting", NOT BAPTISM.

This is the way the people would have heard and understood Peter, In Acts 2: 38.
"Repent for the remission of sins,and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost, Then you can be baptised".

Anyone who knows the Bible, Knows batism doesn't save... The disciles were baptised, But they weren't saved at that time.
The Apostle Paul was saved and baptised in the Holy Ghost, But he wasn't baptised in water untill later.
The Gentiles in Act 10, Were saved, Baptised in the Holy Ghost and spoke in tingues, But they weren't baptised in water at that time.
So the Bible and the original Greek texts proves that water baptism doesn't save.

Niki · Aug 20, 2013

I happen to think that I am saved by faith

Faith in Christ? see, some are advocating salvation by baptism...I hope you mean faith in Christ. Faith in the wrong thing, including good works, is not salvation
according to the Bible

Actually baptism began with the instructions of repentance and confession of sins .... even before there was a Christ to have faith in
Matt 3:6
Mark 1:5

and another one that indicates a baptism of repentance for the forgiveness of sins
Luke 3:3

Matt 3:6 and Mark 1:5 are PRIOR to the death of Jesus. John's baptism is NOT the baptism a Christian undergoes. and ditto Luke 3:3...I know some point at those verses
and say hallelujah! we have found verses to support our tradition, but, really, uh uh....not what was going on...if so, then Jesus didn't have to die? do you think? why go
to a painful and embarrassing death if all you needed was to dip in a dirty river? John was beheaded...he didn't rise again...oh it's so illogical to view what John did as what
Jesus accomplished (don't mind me...I'm just talking to myself)

Lots of loose ends regarding baptism ... thus the centuries of debate

I happen to pretty much agree with baptism the way you do Niki , I always have ..... but I have learned that my beliefs are not written in stone and some baptism verses leave me twisting in the wind because they are (somewhat) contrary to my position

I don't see those loose ends

in other words I have learned to accept the views of others .... even if they are only partly correct .... because under close examination I am only partly correct as well.

hmmm...I really do see what you are saying, but I cannot do that for several reasons, not the least of which is being ignorant of the truth can kill you...now and later too
I'm not trying to be smart...I really mean that. Why do you think the devil makes it all so captivatingly confusing by telling you that you don't love if you stick to what
is actually in the Bible? (not you personally...but people) Don't judge...we hear...you don't understand...they say....meantime, the Bible is sharper then any two edged
sword and not all fudgey about what it says

Hey Niki .... do you know where i think everybody goes wrong in these debates ? ...... my guess is that we try to mix salvation and forgiveness of sins into the same bundle.

If we look closely .... a lot of baptism verses talk about forgiveness of sins (cleansing) .... and are not about salvation (by faith) in Christ

Of course we know the two go together (salvation and forgiveness) ..... but baptism arguments often confuse between the two ..... hope that makes sense

I do not have the time to look all the verses up ..... but let me know if you see the same thing

well......

h34r:

ps: .... like you , I prefer to have firm beliefs without a lot of loose ends .... but often when I feel i have everything nailed down someone will show me a verse that leaves me twisting in the wind

I appreciate your comments and debating style .... thank you

Oh ~ thank you....debating style...well at least I don't type in all caps, right?

mjrhealth · Aug 21, 2013

The bible says a lot of things, lots of things that God didnt say, but the foolish call it all the "word of God", and so put words into His mouth that are not His, than wonder why they dont get it. Lets get back to stoning people to death we must, because the " bible says it".

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