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The Bible Story

God wanted someone to fellowship with. Not just anyone, but those that would come to love him by their own freewill. He did not want puppets to worship him.

God created Adam and Eve, the only thing he created that he did not say “it was good”. That is because man would have that freewill to do as they saw fit. The only stipulation that Adam and Eve would have to do to forever be with the Lord was not to eat of the tree of knowledge of good and evil. Because man was curious, and imperfect, thay did just that. God would make a way for man to again have fellowship with him and live forever with him.

The rest of the bible is about how he would show man how they could regain what Adam had lost, life with him.

I believe Jesus came to complete the promise, or covenant, with Adam and his decendents. Which we have found that it is not those of the flesh, but those of faith.

Did Jesus ever feel that he did not do this? No!

Joh 17:1 These words spake Jesus, and lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, Father, the hour is come; glorify thy Son, that thy Son also may glorify thee:
Joh 17:2 As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him.
Joh 17:3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.
Joh 17:4 I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do.


Joh 19:28 After this, Jesus knowing that all things were now accomplished, that the scripture might be fulfilled, saith, I thirst.
Joh 19:29 Now there was set a vessel full of vinegar: and they filled a spunge with vinegar, and put it upon hyssop, and put it to his mouth.
Joh 19:30 When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost.

Do we, as believers, have eternal life or not?
 

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Rocky Wiley said:
The Bible Story

God wanted someone to fellowship with. Not just anyone, but those that would come to love him by their own freewill. He did not want puppets to worship him.

God created Adam and Eve, the only thing he created that he did not say “it was good”. That is because man would have that freewill to do as they saw fit. The only stipulation that Adam and Eve would have to do to forever be with the Lord was not to eat of the tree of knowledge of good and evil. Because man was curious, and imperfect, thay did just that. God would make a way for man to again have fellowship with him and live forever with him.

The rest of the bible is about how he would show man how they could regain what Adam had lost, life with him.

I believe Jesus came to complete the promise, or covenant, with Adam and his decendents. Which we have found that it is not those of the flesh, but those of faith.

Did Jesus ever feel that he did not do this? No!

Joh 17:1 These words spake Jesus, and lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, Father, the hour is come; glorify thy Son, that thy Son also may glorify thee:
Joh 17:2 As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him.
Joh 17:3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.
Joh 17:4 I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do.


Joh 19:28 After this, Jesus knowing that all things were now accomplished, that the scripture might be fulfilled, saith, I thirst.
Joh 19:29 Now there was set a vessel full of vinegar: and they filled a spunge with vinegar, and put it upon hyssop, and put it to his mouth.
Joh 19:30 When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost.

Do we, as believers, have eternal life or not?
Jesus came to give us life

“In this way the love of God was revealed to us: God sent his only Son into the world so that we might have life through him” (1John 4:9)

I came that they may have life, and have it abundantly. (Jn 10:10)


How do we have life through Jesus?

Belief
For God so loved the world that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. (Jn 3;16)

Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life, (Jn3:36)

Obedience
And he said to him, "Why do you ask me about what is good? One there is who is good.
If you would enter life, keep the commandments." (Mt 19:17)

Baptism
“We were buried therefore with him by baptism into death, so that as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, we too might walk in newness of life” (Rom 6:4)

Sacrifice
And everyone who has given up houses or brothers or sisters or father or mother or children or lands for the sake of my name will receive a hundred times more, and will inherit eternal life. (Mt 19:29)

Good Works
For I was hungry and you gave me food, I was thirsty and you gave me drink, a stranger and you welcomed me,naked and you clothed me, ill and you cared for me, in prison and you visited me’….. I say to you, whatever you did for one of these least brothers of mine, you did for me.’…. And these will go off …to eternal life.” (Mt 25:35-36, 40. 46)

Eucharist
“So Jesus said to them, "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of man and drink his blood, you have no life in you; who eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day”. (Jn 6:53-54)

“While they were eating, Jesus took bread, said the blessing, broke it, and giving it to his disciples said, “Take and eat; this is my body.” Then he took a cup, gave thanks, and gave it to them, saying, “Drink from it, all of you, for this is my blood of the covenant, which will be shed on behalf of many for the forgiveness of sins.” (Mt 26:26-28)

Blessed are those who are invited to the marriage supper of the Lamb.” (Rev 19:9)

In the Eucharistic communion we are already invited to anticipate the wedding feast of the Lamb. Our Bridegroom comes to us in an intimate union.


That’s how we have life through him.
 

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joshhuntnm said:
I do; I am not sure about you! <_<
Hi josh,

If one believes they have eternal life, they have to believe the kingdom of God is spiritual and Jesus had come to set up that kingdom, and he did. No need for him to come again. One can't have it both ways.

Joh 11:26 And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?

Now, who still believes?
 

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If one believes they have eternal life, they have to believe the kingdom of God is spiritual and Jesus had come to set up that kingdom, and he did. No need for him to come again. One can't have it both ways.
He will come again as it is written... :huh:
John 14:3
And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again and receive you to Myself; that where I am, there you may be also.

Hebrews 9
27 Just as people are destined to die once, and after that to face judgment, 28 so Christ was sacrificed once to take away the sins of many; and he will appear a second time, not to bear sin, but to bring salvation to those who are waiting for him.

Ephesians 1:13-14
13 And you also were included in Christ when you heard the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation. When you believed, you were marked in him with a seal, the promised Holy Spirit, 14 who is a deposit guaranteeing our inheritance until the redemption of those who are God’s possession—to the praise of his glory.

Romans 8
22 For we know that the whole creation groans and labors with birth pangs together until now. 23 Not only that, but we also who have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, eagerly waiting for the adoption, the redemption of our body. 24 For we were saved in this hope, but hope that is seen is not hope; for why does one still hope for what he sees? 25 But if we hope for what we do not see, we eagerly wait for it with perseverance.

Shalom!!!
 

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Angelina said:
He will come again as it is written... :huh:

Shalom!!!
Angelina,

[SIZE=12pt]John 14:3[/SIZE]
[SIZE=12pt]And if I go and prepare a place for you,[/SIZE][SIZE=12pt] I will come again and receive you to Myself[/SIZE][SIZE=12pt]; that where I am, there you may be also.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=12pt]Hebrews 9[/SIZE]
[SIZE=12pt]27 Just as people are destined to die once, and after that to face judgment, 28 so Christ was sacrificed once to take away the sins of many; [/SIZE][SIZE=12pt]and he will appear a second time, not to bear sin, but to bring salvation to those who are waiting for him.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=12pt]Jesus is saying people are destined to die, but salvation is coming (eternal life) when he appears a second time. Has he not yet returned?[/SIZE]
Joh 21:18 Verily, verily, I say unto thee, When thou wast young, thou girdedst thyself, and walkedst whither thou wouldest: but when thou shalt be old, thou shalt stretch forth thy hands, and another shall gird thee, and carry thee whither thou wouldest not.
Joh 21:19 This spake he, signifying by what death he should glorify God. And when he had spoken this, he saith unto him, Follow me.
Joh 21:20 Then Peter, turning about, seeth the disciple whom Jesus loved following; which also leaned on his breast at supper, and said, Lord, which is he that betrayeth thee?
Joh 21:21 Peter seeing him saith to Jesus, Lord, and what shall this man do?
Joh 21:22 Jesus saith unto him, If I will that he tarry till I come, what is that to thee? follow thou me.
Joh 21:23 Then went this saying abroad among the brethren, that that disciple should not die: yet Jesus said not unto him, He shall not die; but, If I will that he tarry till I come, what is that to thee?

Please read the above again, (prayerfully) to allow the Holy Ghost to work.

Jesus is saying that John will not die, even though it is not in expletive terms. Why will he not die? Because he would still be alive when Jesus returned again. That was the day of judgment and the day when eternal life became a fact. This is why I say we can not have it both ways, either Jesus has returned and Christians now have eternal life (spiritual) or John is still alive and all others are dead or dying.


Mat 24:1 And Jesus went out, and departed from the temple: and his disciples came to him for to shew him the buildings of the temple.
Mat 24:2 And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.
Mat 24:3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the age?

The disciples knew that the destruction of the temple would be the sign of his coming and the end of the age, Judgment Day.
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[SIZE=12pt]Ephesians 1:13-14[/SIZE]
[SIZE=12pt]13 [/SIZE][SIZE=12pt]And you also were included in Christ when you heard the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation. When you believed, you w[/SIZE][SIZE=12pt]ere marked in him with a seal, the promised Holy Spirit, [/SIZE][SIZE=12pt]14 [/SIZE][SIZE=12pt]who is a deposit guaranteeing our inheritance [/SIZE][SIZE=12pt]until the redemption of those who are God’s possession[/SIZE][SIZE=12pt]—to the praise of his glory.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=12pt]Christian inheritance is eternal life and was the Ephesian’s guarantee of that at his 2nd[/SIZE][SIZE=12pt] coming.[/SIZE]
 

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Rocky,

Hebrews 9
27 Just as people are destined to die once, and after that to face judgment, 28 so Christ was sacrificed once to take away the sins of many; and he will appear a second time, not to bear sin, but to bring salvation to those who are waiting for him.
Jesus is saying people are destined to die, but salvation is coming (eternal life) when he appears a second time. Has he not yet returned?
Please note: verse 28 - "so Christ was sacrificed once to take away the sins of many"
He has done this already...

and he will appear a second time, not to bear sin, but to bring salvation to those who are waiting for him.
He has not done this yet... :huh:

Ephesians 1:13-14
13 And you also were included in Christ when you heard the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation. When you believed, you were marked in him with a seal, the promised Holy Spirit, 14 who is a deposit guaranteeing our inheritance until the redemption of those who are God’s possession—to the praise of his glory.
[SIZE=12pt]Christian inheritance is eternal life and was the Ephesian’s guarantee of that at his 2nd[/SIZE][SIZE=12pt] coming.[/SIZE]
Exactly! He is coming again!

Why would God need to redeem anyone who has the Holy Spirit if the Kingdom is already setup and he does not need to come again?... :huh:

PS: I did not bother reading the KJV of John verses because It would mean me having to go to each one and revert it back to either the NKJV, the NIV or the NASB and it seems like a lot of work when you could have just as easily left the chapter and verse and I could have just read the NIV hyperlink...

Thanks :unsure:

Oh boy! my quote button is playing up and even the BB codes don't work so good!
 

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Angelina said:
Rocky,


Please note: verse 28 - "so Christ was sacrificed once to take away the sins of many"
He has done this already...


He has not done this yet... :huh:


Exactly! He is coming again!

Why would God need to redeem anyone who has the Holy Spirit if the Kingdom is already setup and he does not need to come again?... :huh:

PS: I did not bother reading the KJV of John verses because It would mean me having to go to each one and revert it back to either the NKJV, the NIV or the NASB and it seems like a lot of work when you could have just as easily left the chapter and verse and I could have just read the NIV hyperlink...

Thanks :unsure:

Oh boy! my quote button is playing up and even the BB codes don't work so good!
Your points are the same as most.

There are two covenants, the old and the new. In the old covenant it brought death. In the new it gives life. The old did not pass away until the temple was destroyed. During the time the disciples were spreading the new, they also continued to go to the temple. The wedding supper could not happen until God had finished the divorce of his first bride. Remember that infidelity was the reason for this.

Angelina, try to read the bible as if it was written to and about the time before the church became the bride. Many scripture speak of their hope for his coming in their generation.

I don't understand how peophecy teachers can keep prophesying about the second coming and never be right, Can't prove any by scripture and interpreted only by man's word.

Growing up, the second coming was going to happen in my generation, because Israel became a nation again in 1948. Before 1988 their were many revivals and it filled up the churches and then made many angry at the churches that would peddle such lies. The decline continues and will until people come to the truth.

The scriptures you point out are true, but they do not pertain to us.
 

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Rocky, I believe that the New Jerusalem, the Holy City coming down out of heaven is the bride [Revelation 21:2] and we are the wedding guests Revelation 19:6, 7, 8, 9. :) Now I could be wrong but I have not heard any eschatological thesis that has caused me to think otherwise. Also the temple being destroyed is Christ and three days later, he rose again. He did not divorce any bride...Israel were his chosen ones, not his bride...The Temple itself was a symbol of Christ... Matthew 26:61,John 2:19. I do not believe in replacement theology...

Bless you!!!