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Why did Jesus tell Mary not to touch him in John 20:17, but in Matthew 28:9 the wemon held him by the feet. In Mark 16:39 he said handle me?
 

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Here is one of the places it helps to have read the Old Testament. Jesus' blood is the atonement for our (all humanity collective sins.) He had just risen. And that blood needed to go to heaven to cover those sins. Scripture doesn't say how the blood got there. But frequently describes what the blood of Jesus does & how it benefits us.Later when Jesus comes to the disciples (Luke 24:39 & John 20:24-28), he says touch me to Thomas (the doubter.) Notice it specifically says "flesh & bone" not "flesh & blood." Because His blood wasn't in his body, but instead in heaven.
 

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"Touch Me Not"I think St. Mary Magdalene had a special liking for our Lord, because our Lord was crucified naked, it was said in jest, because the Lord has just risen and in a joyful mood. It's just my opinion or a revelation, I'm not sure. She could have made a glance. The crucifixion was a serious scene, it was just brought to the remembrance of the Lord. When holy men suffer, they don't feel bitter about it, they feel relief.
 

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I think it is the same picture written from two views. The women were holding on to him tightly because of their joy, Jesus said (my words) don't hold on so tight I have not ascended to the father, let go I have to go to the father, this is the picture I see in Matthew, and John just cuts it short by saying don,t touch me. I think its the same story, Matthew tell us a little more just my own thoughts
I think St. Mary Magdalene had a special liking for our Lord, because our Lord was crucified naked
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Why did Jesus tell Mary not to touch him in John 20:17, but in Matthew 28:9 the wemon held him by the feet. In Mark 16:39 he said handle me?
Read the full verse:John 20:17
Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.
(Emphasis added by me.)Jesus is presenting himself perfect to the Father.This deals very much with his death since he himself was the firstfruit. The very next day after Sabbath, the high priest would present the sheaf of the first fruits.See Leviticus 23, particularly verses 10 and 11.
 

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Yes, but the ascension doesn't happen til after Jesus meets with the disciples. So it doesn't really answer the question of why He asked Thomas to touch Him, but asked Mary not to. Unless, we are reading it as Mary touched Him, but was told not to cling to Him.Either way, from our perspective (in time), His blood does cover our sins. And He certainly is the first fruit of the Father. These are among many of the wonderful things He obtained for us. Thanks be to God.But it does make for an interesting question.Ps-The naked part never even occured to me. But I do recall reading somewhere that Rome crucified people unclothed.
 

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Could it be that Christ wanted the Father to be the first person to hug him after his earthly ordeal?
 

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Could it be that Christ wanted the Father to be the first person to hug him after his earthly ordeal?
What a refreshing viewpoint. I really like this answer.
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Nova,you mentioned that he said flesh and bone instead of flesh and blood. So our spiritual bodies will not have blood? This intrigued me. So I searched. In 1 Corinthians 15:50 it says that flesh and blood can not inherit the kingdom of God.It is interesting that he does not mention the blood in Luke 24:29. I never noticed this before. Thank you for the enlightnment!
 

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spirit is spirit I don't know what you are talking of seeing here We are changed in the twinkling of an eye we will not have physical bodies as we are neither male nor femalewe are spirit.
 

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Jesus is speaking to Mary as the High priest fulfilling the day of atonement (Lev 16) , Having accomplished the sacrifice, He was on His way to present the sacred blood to heaven. God :blessyou:
 

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John 20:17 "Jesus saith unto her, "Touch Me not; for I am not yet ascended to My Father: but go to My brethren, and say unto them, `I ascend unto My Father, and your Father; and to My God, and your God'."Jesus didn't forbid Mary to touch Him, but in the Greek text He said "Touch Me not", should read, "Don't hold Me up". Jesus had to go to the Father then, and we will see later that He allowed everyone to touch Him, and even the women were allowed to hold His feet. Matthew 28:9; "And as they went to tell His disciples, behold, Jesus met them, saying, "All hail." And they came and held Him by the feet, and worshipped Him."We know what Jesus did while in the tomb those three days from I Peter 3:18, 19; "For Christ also hath one suffered for sins, the Just for the unjust, that He might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:" [18] "By which also He went and preached unto the spirits in prison," [19] Jesus preached to all those souls of mankind, all the way back to Adam, and freed the souls that would believe on Him.Jesus now wanted Mary to rush and give the good news of His resurrection to His disciples and followers. While she would do that, He is going to the Father, only to see them later.
 

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Hi KrissYou wrote...spirit is spirit I don't know what you are talking of seeing here We are changed in the twinkling of an eye we will not have physical bodies as we are neither male nor femalewe are spirit.1 Corinthians 15:35-45 35 But someone may ask, "How are the dead raised? With what kind of body will they come?" 36 How foolish! What you sow does not come to life unless it dies. 37 When you sow, you do not plant the body that will be, but just a seed, perhaps of wheat or of something else. 38 But God gives it a body as he has determined, and to each kind of seed he gives its own body. 39 All flesh is not the same: Men have one kind of flesh, animals have another, birds another and fish another. 40 There are also heavenly bodies and there are earthly bodies; but the splendor of the heavenly bodies is one kind, and the splendor of the earthly bodies is another. 41 The sun has one kind of splendor, the moon another and the stars another; and star differs from star in splendor. 42 So will it be with the resurrection of the dead. The body that is sown is perishable, it is raised imperishable; 43 it is sown in dishonor, it is raised in glory; it is sown in weakness, it is raised in power; 44 it is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body. If there is a natural body, there is also a spiritual body. 45 So it is written: "The first man Adam became a living being"; the last Adam, a life-giving spirit.Spirit beings are not disembodied.There also are animate objects in the spirit realm (angels, the 4 living creatures, the 7 spirits, the 24 elders, archangels (Michael, Gabriel) - and of course God. So why not horses?And there are inanimate objects described in the spirit realm - such as God's throne, the firmament it rests on, the chariot which separated Elijah and Elisha, the books which get opened in heaven, etc.And there seem to be dimensions in the spirit world e.g. under God's throne and the firmament are "stones of fire". Above the throne and around it is a rainbow. To the right of the Father sits Christ etc. The 4 living creatures face in different directions.And, there is time in heaven, such as the half hour wait for the sealing of the 144000.Seems like we will feel right at home.
 

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In our culture, when someone says something is a spirit, we think ethereal, without physical substance, etc. Like a ghost might be described.I see the passage in 1Cor 15:44 describing something different than that. Every day we (as Christians) get up & wage an internal war. Which will we follow today? Our fleshly desires or our Spirit given ones? And because of this we sin, despite our desire not to. Because we are housed in imperfect bodies.Whereas our new "spirit bodies" will not longer have fleshly desires. Instead the core of our nature will reflect the Spirit. We will be freed from this struggle (flesh vs spirit).This doesn't mean our bodies won't have substance. Just as Jesus had a physical body that could be touched, so I expect our new bodies (governed by the Spirit) to be physical.I don't know of anywhere in the scripture where it says we will be genderless. Matthew 22:30 says we won't marry or be giving in marriage. Which I take to imply we won't reproduce (thus the angels in heaven reference).
 

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You wrote...spirit is spirit I don't know what you are talking of seeing here We are changed in the twinkling of an eye we will not have physical bodies as we are neither male nor femalewe are spirit.What kind of body did Jesus have? He mentions flesh and bones. Are you saying that he did not have his resurrected body?
 

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For the most part I agree with Nova here I agree we are not spirit as in ghosts but rather as substance that eats mannaas for the dead what does the dead flesh have to do with anything wingnut?the flesh dies and returns to the ground to be absent from the body is to present with the Lord. Matthew 22:30 "For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven."The angels of God in heaven are all of the same gender. Remember back in Genesis 1:26; "And God said, "Let us [Elohim] make man in Our image, after Our likeness..." Elohim is God and his children, His angels. We are made after the angels, and in their likeness. We can eat their food [manna], and they can eat man's food. Many of these angels [sons of God] came down to earth and mated with the daughters of men, and had children. Are you starting to get the picture of what an angel is. He looks like us, and acts similar to us, yet his body is of a different substance. Throughout the Scriptures the offspring of angels are mentioned, they are the peoples that filled the promised land that Abraham was given, and they are also the majority of the people that were in Sodom and Gomorrah that were destroyed. These offspring of angels are mentioned in Genesis 15:20, 21, the were the Kenizzites, the Kadmonites, the Hittites, Perizzites, Raphaims, Girgashites, and Jebusites. So we see that in the next age after the flesh, this problem of marriage will not be a problem, and when we study His word, it becomes quite clear.Where did anyone ever read about the daughters of God??And there is no need to mutiply.All souls were created at the same time before this earth Ageit is apponited once that all should be born of flesh.
 

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Wingnut is quoting 1Cor 15:35-45. This is the same chapter that talks about us being changed in a twinkling of an eye (verse 52.)I disagree about the doctrine that says offspring of angels & humans remain alive on the earth after the flood. But we've already covered that subject on the Kennite thread.
 

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Kriss wrote Remember back in Genesis 1:26; "And God said, "Let us [Elohim] make man in Our image, after Our likeness..." Elohim is God and his children, His angels. We are made after the angels, and in their likeness. I was always taught that us refered to God, Son, and Holy Ghost. Because They were all part of the creative process.
 

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For the most part I agree with Nova here I agree we are not spirit as in ghosts but rather as substance that eats mannaas for the dead what does the dead flesh have to do with anything wingnut?the flesh dies and returns to the ground to be absent from the body is to present with the Lord. Matthew 22:30 "For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven."The angels of God in heaven are all of the same gender. Remember back in Genesis 1:26; "And God said, "Let us [Elohim] make man in Our image, after Our likeness..." Elohim is God and his children, His angels. We are made after the angels, and in their likeness. We can eat their food [manna], and they can eat man's food. Many of these angels [sons of God] came down to earth and mated with the daughters of men, and had children. Are you starting to get the picture of what an angel is. He looks like us, and acts similar to us, yet his body is of a different substance. Throughout the Scriptures the offspring of angels are mentioned, they are the peoples that filled the promised land that Abraham was given, and they are also the majority of the people that were in Sodom and Gomorrah that were destroyed. These offspring of angels are mentioned in Genesis 15:20, 21, the were the Kenizzites, the Kadmonites, the Hittites, Perizzites, Raphaims, Girgashites, and Jebusites. So we see that in the next age after the flesh, this problem of marriage will not be a problem, and when we study His word, it becomes quite clear.Where did anyone ever read about the daughters of God??And there is no need to mutiply.All souls were created at the same time before this earth Ageit is apponited once that all should be born of flesh.
Kriss, this is so common sense. The Hebrew Word is Qayin #7014 7014 Qayin kah'-yin the same as 7013 (with a play upon the affinity to 7069); Kajin, the name of the first child, also of a place in Palestine, and of an Oriental tribe:--Cain, Kenite(-s).Translated to Cain 17 times, Kenites 1 time KJV Another Hebrew Word is Qeyniy 7017Qeyniy kay-nee' or Qiyniy (1 Chron. 2:55) {kee-nee'}; patronymic from 7014; a Kenite or member of the tribe of Kajin:--Kenite.Translated to Kenites 13 times8423 Tuwbal Qayin too-bal' kah'-yin apparently from 2986 (Compare 2981) and 7014; offspring of Cain; Tubal-Kajin, an antidiluvian patriarch:--Tubal-cain.We can see that the Kenite are truly the sons of Cain being fathered by Satan.The fallen angels mated the daughters of men in Genesis 6. Flood is at Genesis 7. Everybody is off the ark at Genesis 8. And later on...When we read later history...we atill see the Kenites still there cause scripture said it. The Kenites didn't exist out of no where by our very eyes. Just common sense tells me so.Lovest ye in Christ Yahshua our Lord and Saviour.
 

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Kriss wrote Remember back in Genesis 1:26; "And God said, "Let us [Elohim] make man in Our image, after Our likeness..." Elohim is God and his children, His angels. We are made after the angels, and in their likeness. I was always taught that us refered to God, Son, and Holy Ghost. Because They were all part of the creative process.
I do somewhat agree I think that is a part of it but only a part We are made in the image (likeness)of God and the Angels. I do think we are made of Body, mind, and spirit. When the flesh dies we are still mind and spirit and that returns to God. Until the time we ALL dead and now living receive our knew spiritual bodies.And you are right Jag there is only one interpitation of the Word kennite one can disagree about how its possable but the word only means one thing descendants of Cain who survived the flood but that another thread lets try keep this one on subject
 
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