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Does forgiveness of sins, mean that we shall suffer no consequences for our sins in life?

Or does it rather mean that God is overlooking our total destruction that we deserve in the end, by offering us a chance to be redeemed by accepting Christ to renew our minds to know the acceptable Will of God in all situations in life so we don't suffer the consequences due to continued sin and live?
 

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Does forgiveness of sins, mean that we shall suffer no consequences for our sins in life?
9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. 1 John 1:9



Or does it rather mean that God is overlooking our total destruction that we deserve in the end, by offering us a chance to be redeemed by accepting Christ to renew our minds to know the acceptable Will of God in all situations in life so we don't suffer the consequences due to continued sin and live?
Romans 6
1 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin that grace may abound? 2 Certainly not! How shall we who died to sin live any longer in it? 3 Or do you not know that as many of us as were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into His death? 4 Therefore we were buried with Him through baptism into death, that just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.

5 For if we have been united together in the likeness of His death, certainly we also shall be in the likeness of His resurrection, 6 knowing this, that our old man was crucified with Him, that the body of sin might be done away with, that we should no longer be slaves of sin. 7 For he who has died has been freed from sin. 8 Now if we died with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with Him, 9 knowing that Christ, having been raised from the dead, dies no more. Death no longer has dominion over Him. 10 For the death that He died, He died to sin once for all; but the life that He lives, He lives to God. 11 Likewise you also, reckon yourselves to be dead indeed to sin, but alive to God in Christ Jesus our Lord.

12 Therefore do not let sin reign in your mortal body, that you should obey it in its lusts. 13 And do not present your members as instruments of unrighteousness to sin, but present yourselves to God as being alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness to God. 14 For sin shall not have dominion over you, for you are not under law but under grace.
 

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Angelina said:
9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. 1 John 1:9




Romans 6
1 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin that grace may abound? 2 Certainly not! How shall we who died to sin live any longer in it? 3 Or do you not know that as many of us as were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into His death? 4 Therefore we were buried with Him through baptism into death, that just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.

5 For if we have been united together in the likeness of His death, certainly we also shall be in the likeness of His resurrection, 6 knowing this, that our old man was crucified with Him, that the body of sin might be done away with, that we should no longer be slaves of sin. 7 For he who has died has been freed from sin. 8 Now if we died with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with Him, 9 knowing that Christ, having been raised from the dead, dies no more. Death no longer has dominion over Him. 10 For the death that He died, He died to sin once for all; but the life that He lives, He lives to God. 11 Likewise you also, reckon yourselves to be dead indeed to sin, but alive to God in Christ Jesus our Lord.

12 Therefore do not let sin reign in your mortal body, that you should obey it in its lusts. 13 And do not present your members as instruments of unrighteousness to sin, but present yourselves to God as being alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness to God. 14 For sin shall not have dominion over you, for you are not under law but under grace.
"even so we also SHOULD walk in newness of life."

" Therefore DO NOT LET sin reign in your mortal body, that you should obey it in its lusts."

"And do not present your members as instruments of unrighteousness to sin,"

We may be forgiven when we confess our short comings... but we will suffer the consequences of our actions rather they are good or sinful for we are under the covenant of reaping from what we have sown, doing unto others as we WANT them to do to us, and to forgive and not take vengeance on anyone who sins against us for that is what we are asking God to do for us... so we must forgive them their evil against us.

But my op is asking if you think that forgiveness of sins means that we do not have to suffer for them (once confessed)?

Or does it mean that instead of us being destroyed in the end as we deserved, that we have been given time and the tools to change our hearts by accepting the Word himself to indwell us by the Spirit so that we are CAN BE raised up from death to life?

In other words, what do you think forgiveness of sins means.. no suffering for them any longer so sin away or by God's grace being given a chance to be salvaged by submitting to Christ, renewing our minds so that we have a heart NOT to sin any longer by our willingness to give God control of us so that He can work in us to cleanse our minds and hearts and actions so that He can remember our sins no more because we no longer desire to do them?
 

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Natural consequences are separate from the quality of our relationship with Christ
 

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Natural consequences are separate from the quality of our relationship with Christ
Are you meaning that if we have a car accident or there is an earthquake? Are those the natural consequences you mean?
 

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afaithfulone4u said:
Are you meaning that if we have a car accident or there is an earthquake? Are those the natural consequences you mean?
I am just talking about the basic cause and effect principle - all behaviors have an effect on creation. Everything we do has an effect, whether we have a relationship with Christ or not.
 

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God promises us the forgiveness of our sins, which means that we won't end up in the Lake of Fire (Revelation 20:13-14).
God doesn't promise us that He will prevent any unwanted earthly consequences of our sins from occurring.
 

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Likewise, the Bema Seat Judgment of all Believers is there not only to met out rewards for our Christian walk, but to deliver punishment for failure in our Christian walk.
 

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BiggAndyy said:
Likewise, the Bema Seat Judgment of all Believers is there not only to met out rewards for our Christian walk, but to deliver punishment for failure in our Christian walk.
I see nothing in the New Testament about Christians being punished by God for anything.
 

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"What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound? God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?" (Romans 6:1-2)
The question of sin and the believer is one that has been wrestled with as we see with the existence of this text since the early church age. God's grace is abundant and never failing but God's judgement is a true and real reality. Yes Christ Jesus paid the price for the sin of mankind but this was not to free a debt (give salvation) for the debtor(sinner, we) to accumulate more debt(sin,unrighteousness,transgression)! Jesus died so that IN and through HIM we may have the right and ability to conquer and overcome sin and the practice of it through the Holy Spirit (Romans 8:37). The willful act of rebellion and sin does not have to be fulfilled in the life of the believer we have the POWER in CHRIST to cast that stuff out of our heart and life and to tread and trample upon it (Luke 10:19). So in conclusion in the words of the Apostle Paul,

"Who shall separate us from the love of Christ?" (Romans 8:35)...."Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage."(Galatians 5:1)...."The Spirit you received does not make you slaves, so that you live in fear again; rather, the Spirit you received brought about your adoption to sonship. And by him we cry, "Abba, Father" (Romans 8:15)
 

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Dodo_David said:
God promises us the forgiveness of our sins, which means that we won't end up in the Lake of Fire (Revelation 20:13-14).
God doesn't promise us that He will prevent any unwanted earthly consequences of our sins from occurring.
I agree, I also believe that we are still responsible for restitution when possible because there are natural cause and effect consequences of our actions and we should mitigate that as much as possible.
 

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afaithfulone4u said:
Does forgiveness of sins, mean that we shall suffer no consequences for our sins in life?

Or does it rather mean that God is overlooking our total destruction that we deserve in the end, by offering us a chance to be redeemed by accepting Christ to renew our minds to know the acceptable Will of God in all situations in life so we don't suffer the consequences due to continued sin and live?
Well we certainly won't suffer like those who don't have God in their corner. When we sin we go off the rails of God's will. When we repent we come back on. If God sees it fit we will suffer for those sins but there is a good chance He won't as He may need us elsewhere. Paul was never hanged for murder, even though he confessed to being one and the chiefest of sinners.