An Agenda To Hide The Truth

veteran · Sep 9, 2013

We have been lied to...

Modern science and their establishment backers have been hiding truth from us. Instead, they have pushed a false history about past events upon this earth, revealing an agenda to hide truth. I will call this attempt to hide the evidences here as The Agenda.

One of The Agenda's false histories is against God's Word about a hybrid giant race once existing upon the earth. Another is against the study of ancient artifacts in the Americas pre-dating the time of Columbus' so-called discovery of America. And another is the evidence of human footprints that look just like how human footprints do today found and dated along with ancient dinosaur footprints.

Are all the newspaper articles of discovered giant skeletons at this link just coincidences, fabrications by self-seeking journalists?

https://www.facebook.com/pages/Stone-Builders-Mound-Builders-and-the-Giants-of-Ancient-America/556606251021542

Are the ancient artifacts of human footprints with dinosaur tracks just a hoax?

http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.bible.ca/tracks/delk-track.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.bible.ca/tracks/delk-track.htm&h=713&w=950&sz=185&tbnid=4Ov4Jbp9EfyyTM:&tbnh=92&tbnw=123&zoom=1&usg=__gOhgD3IyvKkWRQqy31JLl3Ax4Oc=&docid=WcaiqCBlnxxFFM&sa=X&ei=v5ItUr6UJMe64APQvoCgDQ&ved=0CDYQ9QEwAw&dur=470

Just how much proof is there of ancient civilization artifacts and their technology in the ancient Americas that pre-date the time of Columbus?

http://www.ancientamerican.com/aa/

http://cwva.org/wwvrunes/wwvrunes_3.html

http://www.triumphpro.com/america-before-chris-solomon-fleets.pdf

Why doesn't our school science textbooks mention such ancient artifacts? I have a friend that discovered an ancient Indian burial mound on her farm. She claimed what she saw inside wasn't the kind of American Indian culture she grew up learning about. Some of the skeletons were unnaturally large with strands of red hair on their skulls (in some cases of these type mound builder discoveries skulls with double rows of teeth have been discovered). My friend said Smithsonian reps were contacted and they came down and removed all the artifacts. Of course the artifacts which do not fit The Agenda's theories get stored in the back room of the Smithsonian Institute.

This was also done with the Bat Creek Stone found in Loudon, TN. in the late 1890's...

http://www.econ.ohio-state.edu/jhm/arch/batcrk.html

The mound where the Bat Creek Stone was found was since plowed flat (that's right, per The Agenda, let's get rid of the evidence that goes against our revised history of past events). The stone was stored in the back room of the National Museum of Natural History in Washington, D.C. for a long time, and is now on display at the McClung Museum at the University of Tennessee in Knoxville.

We have been lied to...

Much of ancient history we have been taught is fabrication, theory, with many relevant artifacts purposefully left out by The Agenda. What purpose would The Agenda have in doing that? I believe it is foremost their aim to keep true science apart from any connection possible to God's Holy Writ. By doing that it aims to present The Bible as only a story, making it easier for the educated to reject The Bible as fact. It allows the insertion of pseudo-science, theories of evolution, etc. It's aims point to The Agenda with an attempted mind control over the population away from the truth. Removal of artifacts helps preserve the views proposed by The Agenda. An over-trusted majority of experts in the field of archaeology, educated and trained by The Agenda, also preserves the views of The Agenda while making mockery of the few trained archaeologists like Dr. Barry Fell who made factual archaeological discoveries which counter The Agenda's views.

biggandyy · Sep 9, 2013

Are you surprised by any of this? Does it shock you sinful man will commit immoral acts upon others? Do you assume others aren't also aware of these facts and their omission and destruction? More to my point, do any of the above listed grievances really matter?

afaithfulone4u · Sep 9, 2013

The really unbelievable thing I find is that we want to believe that for someone to be a taller than average person to be considered evil and to be a son of the devil because of their height. Is that what God hates? How tall someone is or is it their DEEDS of rebellion that is the problem?

Angels do not have children as the Bible says. All of the devils children are of an unclean spirit and his seed(anti-Word) just as God's children are of His Spirit and His Seed being His Word aka Christ the Word who became flesh and we are being made in his image.

There are probably more midgets, dwarfs, and small people in the world then there are giant persons, but that does not make them a RACE of people from another planet or anything. To believe that the devil made a race of man would be to say that he is God, for God is the Creator of life.. all others are imitations of life, such as scientists(sorcerers) that try to clone God's man.

If there were such a race of giants as in the physical appearance that were of the son's of God(Satan and the fallen angels), being the devils offspring that corrupted the OLD world.. then why is not most of the world filled with these gigantic bones? We are told that the devil or god of this world(fallen society) is the father of most of mankind so why are they all giants alive in this day since the Bible says it will be like in the days of Noe in the end time?

No, the word giant in the Strong's Concordance means one of large stature such as (an example not meaning evil in men's eyes per say but anti-Christ) people with a voice, power and authority in the earth who are large in stature(the eyes of man) but not exactly godly, Bill Gates, movie stars, politicians, big business, power companies or anyone who has much power, mighty in the world for they have all the money and influence and can buy their own justice and lord it over the poor and those who seek to teach of God Word to make for law abiding citizens and a godly world. LIKE CAIN!

veteran · Sep 9, 2013

Deut 3:11
11 For only Og king of Bashan remained of the remnant of giants; behold, his bedstead was a bedstead of iron; is it not in Rabbath of the children of Ammon? nine cubits was the length thereof, and four cubits the breadth of it, after the cubit of a man.
(KJV)

A cubit is anywhere from 18 to 20 inches. Using 18" Og's bed was 13.5 feet long by 6 feet wide. Some of the articles in the links above document skeletons found in mounds to be 9 to 10 feet tall. Just the jaw bone of one skeletal remains in a mound in the Americas was large enough to cover one's entire face.

L.A. Marzuli researched American Indian folklore thinking these kind of artifacts were American Indians when he was told by them they were not, but were giants that were already established in the land when their ancestors came to the Americas. Mounds where many skeletons were found together all greater than 7 feet tall does not suggest a mere mutation among a group of normal size humans. It instead suggests a separate race, just as American Indian folklore itself states.

Gen 6:4
4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.
(KJV)

Thus the factual evidence of skeletal remains, even documented by some of Smithsonian's own experts in some of the articles at the link above, reveals what God's Word said about giants as scientific fact.

BiggAndyy said:
Are you surprised by any of this? Does it shock you sinful man will commit immoral acts upon others? Do you assume others aren't also aware of these facts and their omission and destruction? More to my point, do any of the above listed grievances really matter?

Yes, they do matter. Anything that helps proove to the unbeliever that God's Word is True matters.

biggandyy · Sep 9, 2013

God's Word does not need the testimony of men to be true. Creation itself is proof enough to leave Mankind without excuse, even if it is hidden and lied about. The Holy Spirit is He who quickens the heart through preaching of the Word. Pointing to things in this world are not necessary for the Gospel to be spread effectively.

day · Sep 9, 2013

veteran said:
Deut 3:11
11 For only Og king of Bashan remained of the remnant of giants; behold, his bedstead was a bedstead of iron; is it not in Rabbath of the children of Ammon? nine cubits was the length thereof, and four cubits the breadth of it, after the cubit of a man.
(KJV)

A cubit is anywhere from 18 to 20 inches. Using 18" Og's bed was 13.5 feet long by 6 feet wide. Some of the articles in the links above document skeletons found in mounds to be 9 to 10 feet tall. Just the jaw bone of one skeletal remains in a mound in the Americas was large enough to cover one's entire face.

L.A. Marzuli researched American Indian folklore thinking these kind of artifacts were American Indians when he was told by them they were not, but were giants that were already established in the land when their ancestors came to the Americas. Mounds where many skeletons were found together all greater than 7 feet tall does not suggest a mere mutation among a group of normal size humans. It instead suggests a separate race, just as American Indian folklore itself states.

Gen 6:4
4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.
(KJV)

Thus the factual evidence of skeletal remains, even documented by some of Smithsonian's own experts in some of the articles at the link above, reveals what God's Word said about giants as scientific fact.

I don't believe the giants are a separate race because they keep showing up, before the flood; when Israel first spied out Canaan; 40 years later the King of Bashan; later Goliath and his brothers; even now the bones found in America.

I do agree that secular scientists will do anything to keep from having to admit the Bible might be correct.

veteran · Sep 10, 2013

day said:
I don't believe the giants are a separate race because they keep showing up, before the flood; when Israel first spied out Canaan; 40 years later the King of Bashan; later Goliath and his brothers; even now the bones found in America.

I do agree that secular scientists will do anything to keep from having to admit the Bible might be correct.

I do believe the giants Genesis 6 mentions were a hybrid race, because that's the idea that Scripture is pointing to. Even more so when Genesis 6 about Noah being 'perfect' in his generations is mentioned (the Hebrew word for "perfect" is the same word used for sacrificial unblemished animals required for the OT sacrifices, so it definitely has to do with bloodline purity of one's lineage).

The phrase "and also after that" covers what you're talking about with the existence of giants after the flood...
Gen 6:4
4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.
(KJV)

There evidently was another irruption of that mating after the flood.

Alanforchrist · Sep 10, 2013

BiggAndyy said:
Are you surprised by any of this? Does it shock you sinful man will commit immoral acts upon others? Do you assume others aren't also aware of these facts and their omission and destruction? More to my point, do any of the above listed grievances really matter?

There was a world before God re-created the one we have today.
Gen 1: 1, Says, In the begining [The first] God created the heavens and the earth, And the earth, BECAME without form and void.
The earth Became void, God din't creat it that way.
And we know the earth that we have today,has never been without form or void.

afaithfulone4u · Sep 10, 2013

The only truth that the devil wants hidden from us to our destruction is:

John 17:17 Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.
KJV

And Jesus claimed to be:
John 14:6
6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
KJV

And to know:
John 8:31-32
31 Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed;
32 And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.
KJV

Free from a life of sinful behavior because you no longer believe the lie but walk in the truth of God's Word.

Alanforchrist said:
There was a world before God re-created the one we have today.
Gen 1: 1, Says, In the begining [The first] God created the heavens and the earth, And the earth, BECAME without form and void.
The earth Became void, God din't creat it that way.
And we know the earth that we have today,has never been without form or void.

More scripture proof to what you have shown:
2 Peter 2:5
5 And spared not the old world, but saved Noah the eighth person, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood upon the world of the ungodly;

Eccl 1:10-11
10 Is there any thing whereof it may be said, See, this is new? it hath been already of old time, which was before us.
11 There is no remembrance of former things; neither shall there be any remembrance of things that are to come with those that shall come after.
KJV

KJV

veteran said:
I do believe the giants Genesis 6 mentions were a hybrid race, because that's the idea that Scripture is pointing to. Even more so when Genesis 6 about Noah being 'perfect' in his generations is mentioned (the Hebrew word for "perfect" is the same word used for sacrificial unblemished animals required for the OT sacrifices, so it definitely has to do with bloodline purity of one's lineage).

The phrase "and also after that" covers what you're talking about with the existence of giants after the flood...
Gen 6:4
4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.
(KJV)

There evidently was another irruption of that mating after the flood.

No, they are not physical births, but spiritual fornication and ungodly obedience that brings forth the dead being the offspring of the devil. Just as it must be by God's Spirit that we are made alive as a child of God, no longer a child of the devil being DEAD... but being DEAD TO SIN so that we no longer follow ungodly ways as the heathen or the devils spawn that look LARGER THAN LIFE to most of us, just as they did to those who gave the BAD REPORT when they seen the Big Wigs in Canaan and was too afraid to TAKE WHAT GOD SAID WAS THEIR INHERITANCE!! That HE is giving them if they just take Him at HIS WORD. This earth belongs to God's children.. if you can have the faith for it to receive it! God wants His Word to rule and reign in this earth and to be the foundation of it, not the tares... The Wheat!! that has been sifted into fine flour! Tested as fine gold and silver to be PURE!

veteran · Sep 10, 2013

afaithfulone4u said:
No, they are not physical births, but spiritual fornication and ungodly obedience that brings forth the dead being the offspring of the devil. Just as it must be by God's Spirit that we are made alive as a child of God, no longer a child of the devil being DEAD... but being DEAD TO SIN so that we no longer follow ungodly ways as the heathen or the devils spawn that look LARGER THAN LIFE to most of us, just as they did to those who gave the BAD REPORT when they seen the Big Wigs in Canaan and was too afraid to TAKE WHAT GOD SAID WAS THEIR INHERITANCE!! That HE is giving them if they just take Him at HIS WORD. This earth belongs to God's children.. if you can have the faith for it to receive it! God wants His Word to rule and reign in this earth and to be the foundation of it, not the tares... The Wheat!! that has been sifted into fine flour! Tested as fine gold and silver to be PURE!

Well, you can believe what you've been 'trained' to believe about it, and I'll keep to the evidence in both God's Word and the factual remains that reveal the truth of the giant hybrid race once existing upon this earth.

Even in a Scripture in Isaiah about the 'dead' which is actually Rephaim (giants) with the word for "deceased", God said they shall not rise (resurrect), making it obvious they were NEVER of His creation.

Isa 26:14
14 They are dead, they shall not live; they are deceased, they shall not rise: therefore hast Thou visited and destroyed them, and made all their memory to perish.
(KJV)

Even the wicked dead have a resurrection, the resurrection of damnation. But not those giants showing they were an error which Satan's angels caused and not by God. That was one of main reasons why God told Israel to destroy the specific nations of Canaan, because the giants were there as written. Their existence caused by Satan and his angels was to try and taint the Seed of The Woman that Christ Jesus would be born through.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=jkNm3jeCPaA

biggandyy · Sep 10, 2013

Alanforchrist said:
There was a world before God re-created the one we have today.
Gen 1: 1, Says, In the begining [The first] God created the heavens and the earth, And the earth, BECAME without form and void.
The earth Became void, God din't creat it that way.
And we know the earth that we have today,has never been without form or void.

Utter new age nonsense.

Dodo_David · Sep 10, 2013

Alanforchrist said:
There was a world before God re-created the one we have today.
Gen 1: 1, Says, In the begining [The first] God created the heavens and the earth, And the earth, BECAME without form and void.
The earth Became void, God din't creat it that way.
And we know the earth that we have today,has never been without form or void.

What version of the Bible are you using?

Genesis 1:1-2 (ESV) :"In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth. The earth was without form and void, and darkness was over the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God was hovering over the face of the waters."

Genesis 1:1-2 (KJV): "In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters."

Genesis 1:1-2 (NASB): "In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. The earth was formless and void, and darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was moving over the surface of the waters."

Genesis 1:1-2 (NIV): "In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. Now the earth was formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters."

Genesis 1:1-2 (NKJV): "In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. The earth was without form, and void; and darkness was[a] on the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God was hovering over the face of the waters."

Genesis 1:1-2 (NRSV): "In the beginning when God created the heavens and the earth, the earth was a formless void and darkness covered the face of the deep, while a wind from God swept over the face of the waters."

Genesis 1:1-2: (JPS Tanak): "When God began to create heaven and earth - the earth being unformed and void, with darkness over the surface of the deep and a wind from God sweeping over the water ..."

Genesis 1:1-2 (Orthodox Jewish Bible): "In the beginning Elohim created hashomayim (the heavens, Himel) and haaretz (the earth).
And the earth was tohu vavohu (without form, and void); and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Ruach Elohim was hovering upon the face of the waters."

In short, in the above-quoted comment, Genesis 1:1-2 is misquoted.

biggandyy · Sep 11, 2013

A Gap Theory splinter sect, the Ruin-Reconstruction theory.

Any version of the Gap Theory suffers from a fatal flaw and that flaw being Romans 5:12 and James 1:15

Alanforchrist · Sep 11, 2013

BiggAndyy said:
Utter new age nonsense.

Since when has the OLD Hebrew been New age??. I'm telling you what the original Hebrew text says.
And it says, their was a first earth, Then the word, "Was", As in, "Was without form", Is, "BECAME", So the first earth, The one with pre-historic beings, Was distroyed, and God re-created it.

veteran · Sep 11, 2013

Dodo_David said:
What version of the Bible are you using?

Genesis 1:1-2 (ESV) :"In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth. The earth was without form and void, and darkness was over the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God was hovering over the face of the waters."

Genesis 1:1-2 (KJV): "In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters."

Genesis 1:1-2 (NASB): "In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. The earth was formless and void, and darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was moving over the surface of the waters."

Genesis 1:1-2 (NIV): "In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. Now the earth was formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters."

Genesis 1:1-2 (NKJV): "In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. The earth was without form, and void; and darkness was[a] on the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God was hovering over the face of the waters."

Genesis 1:1-2 (NRSV): "In the beginning when God created the heavens and the earth, the earth was a formless void and darkness covered the face of the deep, while a wind from God swept over the face of the waters."

Genesis 1:1-2: (JPS Tanak): "When God began to create heaven and earth - the earth being unformed and void, with darkness over the surface of the deep and a wind from God sweeping over the water ..."

Genesis 1:1-2 (Orthodox Jewish Bible): "In the beginning Elohim created hashomayim (the heavens, Himel) and haaretz (the earth).
And the earth was tohu vavohu (without form, and void); and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Ruach Elohim was hovering upon the face of the waters."

In short, in the above-quoted comment, Genesis 1:1-2 is misquoted.

The Hebrew phrase tohuw va bohuw does NOT mean "without form, and void". The Jeremiah 4:23-28 Scripture easily reveals that also, for the phrase "without form, and void" is repeated there which is about the earth in a wasted and ruined state, God having done it at His fierce anger.

tohuw - (translated "without form" in many translations) - Strong's no. 8414 - to lie waste, a desolation (of surface), i.e., desert, figuratively a worthless thing; adverbially in vain.

bohuw - (translated "void" in many translations) - Strong's no. 922 - (meaning to be empty), a vacuity; i.e. (superficially) an undistinguishable ruin.

Alanforchrist said:
Since when has the OLD Hebrew been New age??. I'm telling you what the original Hebrew text says.
And it says, their was a first earth, Then the word, "Was", As in, "Was without form", Is, "BECAME", So the first earth, The one with pre-historic beings, Was distroyed, and God re-created it.

It's not given for all believers on Christ Jesus to understand this matter, even though they'll read right over many Bible passages about it without realizing it. God Himself has to give it to them before they will understand it.

Have you understood the verses in Romans 8:18-25 that Apostle Paul covered about it in relation to the Jer.4:23-28 passages?

Likewise, they don't understand about the time prior to Adam and Eve when Satan first rebelled against God in the time of old either.

aspen · Sep 11, 2013

This board is the first Christian place I have ever heard the idea that God created a whole other creation before ours - and the strange thing is that many people who have been posting here for years believe this idea. Not sure how they can believe it and sola scriptura at the same time.

veteran · Sep 12, 2013

aspen2 said:
This board is the first Christian place I have ever heard the idea that God created a whole other creation before ours - and the strange thing is that many people who have been posting here for years believe this idea. Not sure how they can believe it and sola scriptura at the same time.

You will... understand it, eventually, and not of your own will it would appear. All will come to understand this matter, especially during Christ's future thousand years reign.

gregg · Sep 14, 2013

people who don't understand GOD and his creation, look for other means to fill their lack of understanding, then belittle others for not excepting their theories. all I needed was the KJV. and the HOLLY SPIRIT and I have no misconception with creation.

Arnie Manitoba · Sep 15, 2013

I hear what you are saying Veteran

But as a christian helicopter pilot i must inform you that some of the biggest liars are those who spew conspiracy theories

Let me make this clear ... the conspiracy theory folks are often the biggest liars !!!

Helicopter pilots on the other hand , always tell the truth , we are renowned for that , just ask one.

Real Veterans do not need all this explained to them

Are you one ?

Arnie M.

veteran · Sep 16, 2013

Arnie Manitoba said:
I hear what you are saying Veteran

But as a christian helicopter pilot i must inform you that some of the biggest liars are those who spew conspiracy theories

Let me make this clear ... the conspiracy theory folks are often the biggest liars !!!

Helicopter pilots on the other hand , always tell the truth , we are renowned for that , just ask one.

Real Veterans do not need all this explained to them

Are you one ?

Arnie M.

Firstly, I was not a helicopter pilot in the military. I was a USAF B-52D bomber crew chief during the Vietnam war. I volunteered to serve.

Secondly, if you're going accuse those who reveal proofs of a conspiracy against God and man, even to call them liars, then you are required... to prove it (especially if you might be trying to direct that at me personally).

Willful ignorance reveals how many today are not aware of a on-going conspiracy when God's Word about prophetic endtime events gives absolute PROOF of a mass conspiracy against Him and mankind for the end of this world. Communist sympathizers come here to this forum and post anti-American and anti-Christian rhetoric and many here don't even catch that either when they should... be able to if they had understood enough of God's Word to know what hardline atheism is about.

For those who want to actually learn something, try reading John Robison's 1790's work Proofs Of A Conspiracy where he documented the operations, private letters, and history of the Illuminati order created by the Jewish doctor of law professor Adam Wieshaupt in 18th century Europe. That work has been back in print for quite a while now. Within it you can see the principles of Communist theory before there ever was a Communist takeover in Russia. The work is from real documents discovered by the Bavarian police on Weishaupt's agents, and are not theories.

So I challenge... anyone here who wants to mouth off about conspiracy theories to me to read that work by John Robison and get a little knowledge before allowing their rear-end to overload their mouth.

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