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Jiggy,

First, lets examine the phrase. This phrase "into ages of ages" is used 12x in the book of Revelation and it always deals with eternity. Here are some examples of where this phrase is used elsewhere.
Revelation 1:6
Revelation 1:18
Revelation 4:9
Revelation 4:10
Revelation 5:13
Revelation 7:12
Revelation 10:6
Revelation 15:7
Revelation 19:3
Revelation 20:10
Revelation 22:5
So, if your translation here is accurate, God should recieve glory and power only for an age, Jesus was dead and is alive only for an age, and Christ will reign only for an age. Let me share some of the details of the Greek in this phrase and then look at the one word in particular.

It's important to understand that words are always defined by context. The word "stud" could be referring to a board, a horse, or a person. Also, the word could be figurative or literal. "This traffic is taking forever" and "Jesus lives forever and ever" have very different meaning with the word. In this phrase, there are three words to consider. Eis means into or toward. Aionias is accusative plural and can be translated as "ages." Aionion is also plural but is genitive and shows possession. It could be translated as "of ages." So this is not the simple noun aion - "age." It's into ages of ages. So how do we understand an "age?"

Essentially this word refers to a long period of time without reference to beginning or end. So, it could be understood as a time in the past or a present age that is certainly a limited amount of time (not eternal) but one that is expansive and has no clear start or end. However, when referring to a future age, often, eternity is in mind. The future age of perfection noted in the Bible and other literature is understood to be a perpetual age and therefore an eternal one. I think this is undeniable in lots of Biblical passages as well as extra biblical literature. To translate otherwise would be to turn sentences of praise and blessing into an insult. Rob Bell has tried to oversimplify this because of his own theological agenda in some of his writings and has been taken to task by scholars on the issue. It's simply a major error to suggest aion is always referring to a temporal period. The age to come as pictured in the Bible is an everlasting age. Thus to refer to it is akin to speaking of eternity.
 

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jiggyfly said:
Still waiting for some scripture that you said you had that supported your statement. I will respond to you once you have posted it/them.
Okay, I see where this is going.

First, you already know every verse, passage and argument I could make because it's probable you used to believe them yourself. So I really don't see the point in my listing what you (and everyone else here) already knows.

Second...and forgive my bluntness...

You know, if I was truly convinced that I had the Scriptural insight to free other Christians from the needless BONDAGE of belief in nonexistent eternal punishment, I would stop at nothing to give my reasons to anyone who asked. Maybe they'd come to be convinced, maybe they wouldn't, but one thing I would not waste time doing is asking them why they DON'T believe in U.R.

I like you, Jiggy, but the fact that you are reluctant to boldly lay out a detailed case for what you say you believe suggests you either aren't as confident in U.R. as you say, or you're not confident in your ability to make the case. Or, you simply don't care what we believe because, according to U.R., we're going to believe it sooner or later anyway so you needn't bother.

Whichever is the case, asking me for info you already have is not exactly dishonest but it is a waste of time. It'd be nothing new to anyone here, especially you.

A passionate argument for U.R., on the other hand, would be new, and you're the only one who can make it. So until you do, I'm signing off of this one.
 

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The book of Revelation makes it clear that unbelievers will be thrown into the lake of fire, which is the second death. Nothing in the Bible says that people thrown into the lake of fire will be redeemed from the second death.
 

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I apologize for any delays in responding to everyone's posts, I have been experiencing severe pain due to spine, hip and knee injuries, but I plan on posting again real soon and to post a more complete description of what I believe concerning UR and why. Thanks to everyone for their patience and consideration. Hope to respond soon, God bless everyone. :)
 

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jiggyfly said:
I apologize for any delays in responding to everyone's posts, I have been experiencing severe pain due to spine, hip and knee injuries, but I plan on posting again real soon and to post a more complete description of what I believe concerning UR and why. Thanks to everyone for their patience and consideration. Hope to respond soon, God bless everyone. :)
Praying for your infirmities, JF.
 

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How long was Jonah in the belly of the fish? Same Greek word used in the Septuagint is aion translated from the Hebrew word olam. Was he there for ever?

What is eternity of eternities mean? Does such a phrase even make sense? Aion is normally an age or an indefinite time.


Paul also said that eventually all Israel will be saved.
Romans 11:5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.

Paul stated in his day that the remnant of Israel remained, according to the election of grace. A remnant of Israel remained, which cannot then refer to every single literal Israelite.

Romans 2:28-29 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh: 29 but he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

Paul made it clear earlier in the epistle, that one is not a Jew just because they are one on the outside, but it is them who are Jews who have their hearts circumcised. Take note, it is the remnant that received the election of grace.

Romans 11:7 What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded

The election have obtained it, but the rest were blinded.

Romans 11:28 As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the fathers’ sakes.

The election shall be saved, not the rest.
 

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musterion said:
Interesting discussion.

I would like to believe in U.R. as you've defined it - it's truly a thrilling thought - but I can't. There's just too much in-context Scripture in the way. Just one objection of many:

Just as it is a fact that without faith it is impossible to please God, it is also true that without faith in Christ, one is forever separated from God.

Given that fact, for U.R. to be true one of two propositions must also be true:

a. Saving faith can, will and must come after death, somehow, in order to save all who've died in unbelief.

or

b. There will come a point when God will no longer demand faith, allowing Him to save those who would gleefully spit on His Son if they had the chance, as well as all who've already died in the same state.

I consider these insurmountable challenges to U.R. but await the necessary, in context Scriptural support showing that either A or B is the will of God.

PS Good observation above how U.R. is almost the mirror image of hyper-Calvinism (which is really consistent Calvinism taken to its logical conclusions and not shied away from), with the only difference being how many end up irresistibly saved by God whether they want to be or not.
musterion said:
Interesting discussion.

I would like to believe in U.R. as you've defined it - it's truly a thrilling thought - but I can't. There's just too much in-context Scripture in the way. Just one objection of many:

Just as it is a fact that without faith it is impossible to please God, it is also true that without faith in Christ, one is forever separated from God.

Given that fact, for U.R. to be true one of two propositions must also be true:

a. Saving faith can, will and must come after death, somehow, in order to save all who've died in unbelief.

or

b. There will come a point when God will no longer demand faith, allowing Him to save those who would gleefully spit on His Son if they had the chance, as well as all who've already died in the same state.

I consider these insurmountable challenges to U.R. but await the necessary, in context Scriptural support showing that either A or B is the will of God.

PS Good observation above how U.R. is almost the mirror image of hyper-Calvinism (which is really consistent Calvinism taken to its logical conclusions and not shied away from), with the only difference being how many end up irresistibly saved by God whether they want to be or not.
Saving faith is after death... where God judges the unbelievers @ the Great White Throne.
That's where every knee will bow and every tongue will confess. Sounds like they
have saving faith to me. What do you think?

Paul said, if you confess with your mouth and believe in your heart God raised Him from
dead, you shall be saved. After these unbelievers are raised in the 2nd resurrection they
will be ashamed of themselves, but God will remember His Promises (Ezekiel 16:60-61).

To answer "B"... God has always demanded faith... we have to first realize that God isn't
finished with us @ physical death. I know we have been taught that for many years, but we
have to believe in the resurrection and understand God will be dealing with His enemies in
the ages to come.

What is real death?

Real death is the carnal mind (Romans 8:6), that is what God will burn up in the Lake of Fire.
The second death begins in the Age of the Lake of Fire where God will be using the Sons of
God to teach the people the ways of God (Isa. 2:3). The ones that didn't apply the blood of the
Lamb to their sins by believing in Him during their allotted time upon this earth will be trained
and their carnal minds will be destroyed by the Law of God (Romans 2:18).

What a God! What a Plan!

Logabe
 

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All of this is context-less speculation and wishful thinking.

That's where every knee will bow and every tongue will confess. Sounds like they
have saving faith to me. What do you think?
No.

1. The context of Romans 14 is the eventual judgment of believers by our Lord. Unbelievers - as near as I can see - are not even considered.

2. Even demons can be made bow and confess Christ is the Lord because HE IS the Lord and they know that better than almost all of humanity. But that does not and will not save them.

3. Nor is there any evidence such would save people who rejected Him in life even if they, too, are made to bow and confess Him. If they are made to do so (and Romans 14 says nothing of it) it will be but the humbled, condemned response of the rebellious soul FINALLY cowering in terror before the holy judgment and infinite majesty of the righteous Creator it rejected in life, a judgment which cannot be gainsaid...but it will NOT equal saving faith. I truly wish there were a way around this, for their sakes, but I don't see one and you haven't provided anything but out-of-context wishful thinking.

The one thing that, for me, would go further toward making your case would be to provide one passage of Scripture that even HINTS there's an eventual escape from, and redemption after, the Lake of Fire.
 

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musterion said:
All of this is context-less speculation and wishful thinking.


No.

1. The context of Romans 14 is the eventual judgment of believers by our Lord. Unbelievers - as near as I can see - are not even considered.

2. Even demons can be made bow and confess Christ is the Lord because HE IS the Lord and they know that better than almost all of humanity. But that does not and will not save them.

3. Nor is there any evidence such would save people who rejected Him in life even if they, too, are made to bow and confess Him. If they are made to do so (and Romans 14 says nothing of it) it will be but the humbled, condemned response of the rebellious soul FINALLY cowering in terror before the holy judgment and infinite majesty of the righteous Creator it rejected in life, a judgment which cannot be gainsaid...but it will NOT equal saving faith. I truly wish there were a way around this, for their sakes, but I don't see one and you haven't provided anything but out-of-context wishful thinking.

The one thing that, for me, would go further toward making your case would be to provide one passage of Scripture that even HINTS there's an eventual escape from, and redemption after, the Lake of Fire.
musterion said:
All of this is context-less speculation and wishful thinking.


No.

1. The context of Romans 14 is the eventual judgment of believers by our Lord. Unbelievers - as near as I can see - are not even considered.

2. Even demons can be made bow and confess Christ is the Lord because HE IS the Lord and they know that better than almost all of humanity. But that does not and will not save them.

3. Nor is there any evidence such would save people who rejected Him in life even if they, too, are made to bow and confess Him. If they are made to do so (and Romans 14 says nothing of it) it will be but the humbled, condemned response of the rebellious soul FINALLY cowering in terror before the holy judgment and infinite majesty of the righteous Creator it rejected in life, a judgment which cannot be gainsaid...but it will NOT equal saving faith. I truly wish there were a way around this, for their sakes, but I don't see one and you haven't provided anything but out-of-context wishful thinking.

The one thing that, for me, would go further toward making your case would be to provide one passage of Scripture that even HINTS there's an eventual escape from, and redemption after, the Lake of Fire.
This is not about how good or bad a person can be, although we are responsible for the
things that we do. This is about whether you can believe that God can actually save all of
mankind. Billions of people can't believe that He can do it because His Will is a mystery &
He has to make it known to an individual (Eph. 1:9).

At this point in history it is very hard to comprehend that God has the power to defeat the
enemy, but in the fullness of times, everyone will see He is more than ABLE (Eph. 1:10).

We have to understand that the enemy isn't the person, but their carnal mind that has them
in bondage, that is the enemy. God will eliminate the enemy in the Ages to come by destroying
the carnal mind and nature that came about in the fall of the 1st Adam. We have to recognize
the difference or we will never love our enemies as Jesus taught us.

God told David to ask Him and He would give him the heathen for his inheritance (Ps. 2:8). In
Ps. 22:27, God told David... ALL the ends of the EARTH SHALL REMEMBER and turn unto the
Lord.

In other words... most people just forgot where they came from just like the Israelites did. But God
says they will remember. Do you believe him?

What a God! What a Plan!

Logabe
 

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This is not about how good or bad a person can be, although we are responsible for the things that we do. This is about whether you can believe that God can actually save all of mankind.

Nice try but you are not allowed to move the goalposts. The issue is not, and never will be, what God CAN do, nor what I might believe He can or can't do. The issue is what you claim the Bible says He WILL do, which remains unproven.


Billions of people can't believe that He can do it because His Will is a mystery & He has to make it known to an individual (Eph. 1:9).

He's given you and other universalists a special illumination that is not only undiscernable in the pages of Scripture for the vast majority of Bible believers, but actually contradicts what we see as the plain, contextual reading of those Scriptures? Is that pretty much your belief here?

At this point in history it is very hard to comprehend that God has the power to defeat the enemy, but in the fullness of times, everyone will see He is more than ABLE (Eph. 1:10).

Straw man. His ability is not the issue for us. Never has been.

We have to understand that the enemy isn't the person, but their carnal mind that has them in bondage, that is the enemy.

Evidence, please.

God will eliminate the enemy in the Ages to come by destroying the carnal mind and nature that came about in the fall of the 1st Adam.

You already said that. What you have not provided Scriptural evidence for is your claim that once the carnal mind of Christ-hating atheists, sincere but deceived religionists and everyone in between has been destroyed in the Lake of Fire, all who died outside of Christ get freed from the fire.

We have to recognize the difference or we will never love our enemies as Jesus taught us.

So warning them that their sin, if not repented of, will damn them isn't loving? Telling yourself they'll be saved no matter what they do or don't do with Christ in this life is loving?

Wow.

God told David to ask Him and He would give him the heathen for his inheritance (Ps. 2:8). In Ps. 22:27, God told David... ALL the ends of the EARTH SHALL REMEMBER and turn unto the Lord.

That was a promise in the context of Israel's purpose to be the nation of priests to the rest of the lost world - the door to which closed on Israel in the early chapters of the book of Acts, though it will still have fulfillment in the Kingdom. It does NOT prove all who died cursing Christ will eventually be saved.

In other words... most people just forgot where they came from just like the Israelites did. But God says they will remember. Do you believe him?

Him, I believe absolutely. You, no. I'd like to but...sorry.

What a God! What a Plan!

Yep. And His plan today is the Gospel of the grace of God, without which no one can be saved. Ever.
 

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Not universal? Don't you believe that Paul really meant what he wrote?

For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
1 Cor 15:22 (KJV)

9 Therefore, God elevated him to the place of highest honor and gave him the name above all other names,10 that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth,11 and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
Phil 2:9-11 (NLT)

For the Scriptures say,
“‘As surely as I live,’ says the Lord, ‘every knee will bend to me, and every tongue will confess and give praise to God.
Romans 14:11 (NLT)

9 God has now revealed to us his mysterious plan regarding Christ, a plan to fulfill his own good pleasure.10 And this is the plan: At the right time he will bring everything together under the authority of Christ—everything in heaven and on earth.
Eph 1:9-10 (NLT)

19 For God in all his fullness was pleased to live in Christ,20 and through him God reconciled everything to himself. He made peace with everything in heaven and on earth by means of Christ’s blood on the cross.
Col 1:19-20 (NLT)

Here are a few but there are many others. I am curious what you believe they mean.

Who said anything about some being saved whether they want it or not? I surely don't recall saying or even implying anything to the like. I did however post some scriptures which support what I believe. Still waiting for your scriptures though.


So where is the contradiction? Have you noticed verse 25 in the same chapter?

So where are they? Originally we discussed you posting scripture that supported your statement in the other thread, did you forget?
The Idea of UR is one that people instictively want to believe. It would mean that all our loved ones who died not believing in Christ will not 'perish'. And for most of us, the idea of people that we don't even know going to hell is hard to swallow.

But there are some serious biblical problems with UR.

For us to believe the verses posted about that talk of "all", then we need to ignore, disregard, or regard as lies, those other verses that speak very firmly against it. I'm not going to post all the verses that show that salvation comes ONLY through faith in Christ...I think that's firmly understood. But in understanding that we must believe in Jesus to be saved, we then consider all the other verses that talk of those who do not believe.

“Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. (Matthew 25:41, ESV)

And these will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.” (Matthew 25:46, ESV)

And if your eye causes you to sin, tear it out. It is better for you to enter the kingdom of God with one eye than with two eyes to be thrown into hell, ‘where their worm does not die and the fire is not quenched.’ (Mark 9:47-48, ESV)


This is evidence of the righteous judgment of God, that you may be considered worthy of the kingdom of God, for which you are also suffering—since indeed God considers it just to repay with affliction those who afflict you, and to grant relief to you who are afflicted as well as to us, when the Lord Jesus is revealed from heaven with his mighty angels in flaming fire, inflicting vengeance on those who do not know God and on those who do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus. They will suffer the punishment of eternal destruction, away from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of his might, (2 Thessalonians 1:5-9, ESV)

And when he comes, he will convict the world concerning sin and righteousness and judgment: concerning sin, because they do not believe in me; (John 16:8-9, ESV)

And just as it is appointed for man to die once, and after that comes judgment, so Christ, having been offered once to bear the sins of many, will appear a second time, not to deal with sin but to save those who are eagerly waiting for him. (Hebrews 9:27-28, ESV)

But by the same word the heavens and earth that now exist are stored up for fire, being kept until the day of judgment and destruction of the ungodly. (2 Peter 3:7, ESV)

For certain people have crept in unnoticed who long ago were designated for this condemnation,...serve as an example by undergoing a punishment of eternal fire...wandering stars, for whom the gloom of utter darkness has been reserved forever. (Jude 1:4-13, ESV)

Do you see? These are but a few verses that talk of punishment, judgement, eternal damnation...etc. To believe the verses above, we have to totally dismiss all these ones. There is no way we can make 'etenal damnation' harmonise with 'God is going to save everyone'. It simply cannot be done no matter how you look at it. But they can be harmonized the other way. Consider:

First, I thank my God through Jesus Christ for all of you, because your faith is proclaimed in all the world. (Romans 1:8, ESV)

For not only has the word of the Lord sounded forth from you in Macedonia and Achaia, but your faith in God has gone forth everywhere, so that we need not say anything. (1 Thessalonians 1:8, ESV)

These statements are "all" statements, but when we read the context we know they are not, in fact, talking about Christ's Gospel having reached 'all' lands on earth. It's clearly talking about the known civilized area of the time. When we see this sort of language in scripture, it usually is referring to God's redemptive purposes being expanded beyond the Jews unto all the nations of the earth.

When we widen this understanding by considering scriptures clear explinations regarding election, then we see these 'all' statements to be a resassuring that all Gods chosen will be saved...nothing is going to stand in the way of Gods purposes. If you are 'elect', then no matter how hard life is, no matter what circumstances happen in your life, come the end of it, you will be calling Jesus Saviour.

As far as the "every knee shall bow and tongue confess"...well sure. Satan right now knows that Jesus is Lord. He's fighting tooth and nail against him, and part of his rage comes from knowing that in the end, he will be helpless but to resist it. Everyone who denied Christ while alive will come to the knowledge they were wrong. But it doesn't mean that they will become saved when they recieve that knowledge...sadly. And having Christ make 'peace with everything in heaven and on earth' against does not mean everyone will be bought to him. It's referring to his total supremecy. Nothing and no one will be able to stand against him or his right to rule and judge. Everyone must submit.
 

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musterion said:
This is not about how good or bad a person can be, although we are responsible for the things that we do. This is about whether you can believe that God can actually save all of mankind.

Nice try but you are not allowed to move the goalposts. The issue is not, and never will be, what God CAN do, nor what I might believe He can or can't do. The issue is what you claim the Bible says He WILL do, which remains unproven.

The just shall live by faith... faith in what? Remember the ten spies... they convinced God's people
that God wasn't able to protect them from the giants, and you do know the rest of the story. In Noah's
day... Noah preached to the people the coming flood, but the people didn't believe the message that
God gave to Noah, and you know the rest of that story too. My point is, it's all about what God can and
cant do.

Billions of people can't believe that He can do it because His Will is a mystery & He has to make it known to an individual (Eph. 1:9).

He's given you and other universalists a special illumination that is not only undiscernable in the pages of Scripture for the vast majority of Bible believers, but actually contradicts what we see as the plain, contextual reading of those Scriptures? Is that pretty much your belief here?

No... He has given you a special illumination, but you would rather believe that God
doesn't have a positive plan for the majority of the human race.

At this point in history it is very hard to comprehend that God has the power to defeat the enemy, but in the fullness of times, everyone will see He is more than ABLE (Eph. 1:10).

Straw man. His ability is not the issue for us. Never has been.

As I said above... it is all about God's ability, and whether you believe it or not... Numbers 14:16.

We have to understand that the enemy isn't the person, but their carnal mind that has them in bondage, that is the enemy.

Evidence, please.

Romans 8:6 and 1st Cor. 15:26 says,

26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.

God will eliminate the enemy in the Ages to come by destroying the carnal mind and nature that came about in the fall of the 1st Adam.

You already said that. What you have not provided Scriptural evidence for is your claim that once the carnal mind of Christ-hating atheists, sincere but deceived religionists and everyone in between has been destroyed in the Lake of Fire, all who died outside of Christ get freed from the fire.

Look up above... the last enemy will be destroyed. In other words... everyone will be alive in Christ.
What is the Lake of Fire called.? The second death... now read 1st Cor. 15:26 again.

We have to recognize the difference or we will never love our enemies as Jesus taught us.

So warning them that their sin, if not repented of, will damn them isn't loving? Telling yourself they'll be saved no matter what they do or don't do with Christ in this life is loving?

Wow.

In this life is what you have been taught by man. All of these unrepented people you are talking about,
will repent @ the Great White Throne. As a matter of fact, they will confess and bow their knees to Jesus
Christ (Philippians 2:10-11).

God told David to ask Him and He would give him the heathen for his inheritance (Ps. 2:8). In Ps. 22:27, God told David... ALL the ends of the EARTH SHALL REMEMBER and turn unto the Lord.

That was a promise in the context of Israel's purpose to be the nation of priests to the rest of the lost world - the door to which closed on Israel in the early chapters of the book of Acts, though it will still have fulfillment in the Kingdom. It does NOT prove all who died cursing Christ will eventually be saved.

You are making the Word of God of non affect... read what it says brother... All the ends of the
earth shall remember.

In other words... most people just forgot where they came from just like the Israelites did. But God says they will remember. Do you believe him?

Him, I believe absolutely. You, no. I'd like to but...sorry.

Well, I'm not the one that said "All shall remember", David did... do you believe David?

What a God! What a Plan!

Yep. And His plan today is the Gospel of the grace of God, without which no one can be saved. Ever.

I agree... and I also believe God is ABLE to bring ALL to repentance in the AGES to come.
I'm not limited to this Age... I going to use the faith that God has given me to set the captives
free by believing every word that comes out of the mouth of God... not just the ones I want to
believe.
musterion said:
This is not about how good or bad a person can be, although we are responsible for the things that we do. This is about whether you can believe that God can actually save all of mankind.

Nice try but you are not allowed to move the goalposts. The issue is not, and never will be, what God CAN do, nor what I might believe He can or can't do. The issue is what you claim the Bible says He WILL do, which remains unproven.


Billions of people can't believe that He can do it because His Will is a mystery & He has to make it known to an individual (Eph. 1:9).

He's given you and other universalists a special illumination that is not only undiscernable in the pages of Scripture for the vast majority of Bible believers, but actually contradicts what we see as the plain, contextual reading of those Scriptures? Is that pretty much your belief here?

At this point in history it is very hard to comprehend that God has the power to defeat the enemy, but in the fullness of times, everyone will see He is more than ABLE (Eph. 1:10).

Straw man. His ability is not the issue for us. Never has been.

We have to understand that the enemy isn't the person, but their carnal mind that has them in bondage, that is the enemy.

Evidence, please.

God will eliminate the enemy in the Ages to come by destroying the carnal mind and nature that came about in the fall of the 1st Adam.

You already said that. What you have not provided Scriptural evidence for is your claim that once the carnal mind of Christ-hating atheists, sincere but deceived religionists and everyone in between has been destroyed in the Lake of Fire, all who died outside of Christ get freed from the fire.

We have to recognize the difference or we will never love our enemies as Jesus taught us.

So warning them that their sin, if not repented of, will damn them isn't loving? Telling yourself they'll be saved no matter what they do or don't do with Christ in this life is loving?

Wow.

God told David to ask Him and He would give him the heathen for his inheritance (Ps. 2:8). In Ps. 22:27, God told David... ALL the ends of the EARTH SHALL REMEMBER and turn unto the Lord.

That was a promise in the context of Israel's purpose to be the nation of priests to the rest of the lost world - the door to which closed on Israel in the early chapters of the book of Acts, though it will still have fulfillment in the Kingdom. It does NOT prove all who died cursing Christ will eventually be saved.

In other words... most people just forgot where they came from just like the Israelites did. But God says they will remember. Do you believe him?

Him, I believe absolutely. You, no. I'd like to but...sorry.

What a God! What a Plan!

Yep. And His plan today is the Gospel of the grace of God, without which no one can be saved. Ever.
What a God! What a Plan!

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