The persecuted Christians suffer yet more (UK)

Its not so much a matter of Christians being doormats, but following the law by not discriminating. A Christian can't force their morals onto others, so if you run a public business, picking and choosing your customers opens you up to lawsuits. Rejecting business due to race, religion, or sexual orientation, will usually end-up in a losing court battle. JMO

Dan57 said:

Its not so much a matter of Christians being doormats, but following the law by not discriminating. A Christian can't force their morals onto others, so if you run a public business, picking and choosing your customers opens you up to lawsuits. Rejecting business due to race, religion, or sexual orientation, will usually end-up in a losing court battle. JMO

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This is outrageous. So it's the Christian forcing their morals on others and not the other way around? This reminds me of the American photographer that was sued by two lesbians getting married because she refused to photograph their wedding. It shows how militant and beligerant homosexuals are today no less than in the days of Sodom and Gomorrah. Homosexuals don't believe in live and let live. They don't practice the same tolerance they demand from others. They don't respect freedom of conscience. They're mean people. Period.

This Vale Of Tears said:

This is outrageous. So it's the Christian forcing their morals on others and not the other way around? This reminds me of the American photographer that was sued by two lesbians getting married because she refused to photograph their wedding. It shows how militant and beligerant homosexuals are today no less than in the days of Sodom and Gomorrah. Homosexuals don't believe in live and let live. They don't practice the same tolerance they demand from others. They don't respect freedom of conscience. They're mean people. Period.

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I never thought this day would come,but i have to admit,i agree with what you are saying.People who like Homosexuals dont know homosexuals.

Dan57 said:

Its not so much a matter of Christians being doormats, but following the law by not discriminating. A Christian can't force their morals onto others, so if you run a public business, picking and choosing your customers opens you up to lawsuits. Rejecting business due to race, religion, or sexual orientation, will usually end-up in a losing court battle. JMO

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I think you've got the right idea, Dan57. A losing court battle, as well as a losing moral battle.

i agree Dan. if you want to compete in the public market, you have to play by the rules. one of the rules is serving all law abiding citizens.

A CHRISTIAN should reject man made laws if they conflict with Gods laws ..

aspen2 said:

i agree Dan. if you want to compete in the public market, you have to play by the rules. one of the rules is serving all law abiding citizens.

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if man made laws conflict with Gods laws .. we must obey God rather than men .

A CHRISTIAN KNOWINGLY SHOULD NOT TAKE PART IN ANY ONES SIN.

WE dont need to we have enough of our own sins with out helping out in some one elses sin to..


abortion is legal to . Yet we would not knowingly want to provide a abortion clinic services either..

aspen2 said:

i agree Dan. if you want to compete in the public market, you have to play by the rules. one of the rules is serving all law abiding citizens.

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a christian should not listen to laws made by men if they conflict with Gods laws ..

homosexuality and abortion both are sin .. we knowingly would not want to provide services to help a abortion clinic.. why woukld we want to than provde services for other sins. be they sexual or any other?

got questions about this www.wels.net
perhaps in the future christians who own such establishements will need to post the bible passages in their establishments that clearly call such sin sin..
Gods laws dont save any one ..

yet they show some one they also need a savior from sin .. .

Or, maybe they should not run a public establishment.

Theophane said:

I think you've got the right idea, Dan57. A losing court battle, as well as a losing moral battle.

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st paul lost many a battle in human courts.. Did that stop him ..? st peter was crucified .
stephen stoned .. yet all these people cared enough about people to let them know about their sins

can we do any less..One must bear real and true sins to be saved .

Jesus does not save imaginery sinners
Homosexuality qualifies as a real and true sin that Jesus can save a person from..
WE NEED TO LET THEM KNOW ABOUT THEIR SIN. AND of A TRUE REPENTANCE FOUND ONLY IN TRUSTING JESUS who won them forgivenness.. What better place could any christian have to preach Jesus than prision? or some ones death bed?

aspen2 said:

Or, maybe they should not run a public establishment.

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THAN you would have to admit the devil would gladly put his henchmen--- in their place.

His henchmen? Why would I care if the 'good guys' run a B&B or the 'bad guys'? Christianity is not a team sport.

Also, I have never met a homosexual that does not know about the verses in the Bible that are quoted by certain Christians to condemn their sexual practices. As soon as I meet one, I will tell them - in the meantime, I will not hold my breathe.

Dan57 said:

Its not so much a matter of Christians being doormats, but following the law by not discriminating. A Christian can't force their morals onto others, so if you run a public business, picking and choosing your customers opens you up to lawsuits. Rejecting business due to race, religion, or sexual orientation, will usually end-up in a losing court battle. JMO

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Christians are not doormats, but they are unimaginative. Christian B&Bs need to form a "members only" type organization that does business only through churches providing a private membership benefit. That way Christians could support other Christians and enable them to engage in business while still keeping their moral values.

Dan57 said:

Its not so much a matter of Christians being doormats, but following the law by not discriminating. A Christian can't force their morals onto others, so if you run a public business, picking and choosing your customers opens you up to lawsuits. Rejecting business due to race, religion, or sexual orientation, will usually end-up in a losing court battle. JMO

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Yours is a statement of fact. Understood.

Christians of today would accept and approve of the behavior evident in the day of Lot. Only God cares for righteousness and morality any more.

And only God will act......

And when He does - hell will come with it.

IF GOD DOES NOT JUDGE AMERICA HE WILL HAVE TO APOLOGIZE TO SODOM AND GOMORRAH.

and that's just me, hollering from the choir loft...

Hmm.... well, I certainly do not approve of gangs of men going door to door and demanding to rape guests in my home......of course, I would never offer my daughter to the mob in exchange for not raping my guests, either...... Seems to me that there were many abominations going on during the Lot narrative - seems bizarre that fundamentalists seem to single out the fact that men wanted to rape men and compare it to modern homosexual practices. Pretty self serving.

Also, I have never seen a fundamentalist make a peep about prison reform in our country - men are having sex with men constantly in prison and it is a lot more similar to the Lot version than homosexual sex between consenting partners. It is as if, in the fundamentalist mindset, same sex behavior is fine if it is between guilty men - which is certainly not what God thought when He torched S&G. Of course God has not torched one prison or society that permits homosexual sex since ...... perhaps He was only concerned about men who wanted to have sex with other people who they thought were men, even though angels do not have a gender.....

In the mean time, sanctioning sex between prisoners - or just looking the other way, is hypocritical if you oppose homosexual union outside of prison.

As far as the topic of this thread is concerned, why is it surprising for people who choose to misread the Book of Revelation, to see opposition or unfair treatment towards Christians in the end times? Seems to me that it is par for the course........if you perceive the world as going down the drain, why would you be shocked about the coinciding nausea as you are circling the drain? Or is bitching about all the way down part of the story?

In Romans 12:2 it says "And be not conformed to this age, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind, in order to prove by you what is the good and pleasing and perfect will of God."

That means we have to please God not man. Providing the accommodation for the two homosexuals would be a case of pleasing man, so their choice was the correct one regardless of what the law said.

In Acts 4:18 it says "And calling them, they ordered them not to speak at all, nor to teach on the name of Jesus. But answering them Peter and John said, Whether it is right before God to listen to you rather than God, you judge. For we are not able not to speak what we saw and heard.

One could apply these verses to the Bulls as what they were doing is standing up for righteousness, which God has allowed them to do.

No, the fact is there is a hidden agenda with the homosexuals and that is to wipe out any opposition to anything they say or do becuase they want their perversion to be normalised and accepted as normal so that they can sodomize each other without sanction of any kind.

One of their mantras is tolerance. They say we must be tolerant of everyone because there is no right or wrong. But...........if you disagree with them they are the most intolerant, hateful and bigoted people on the planet, even to the point of going to a Christian Ministry HO with a gun intending to shoot someone because "they said something I didn't like."

As Christians we have no choice. Because some so called churches have caved in to the homosexual agenda and approved same sex marriage, those that haven't are going to come under increasing pressure to bow the knee. So.....you make a stand for righteousness or you go under and approve of the satanic push by homosexuals.

Submitted for your consideration is THE BARNABUS FUND. This is an organization created in the last decade of the twentieth century to chronicle persecution of Christians and to organize support for them.

Please consider investigating this group. They have a lot of useful information.

and that's just me, hollering from the choir loft...

horsecamp said:

homosexuality and abortion both are sin .. we knowingly would not want to provide services to help a abortion clinic.. why woukld we want to than provde services for other sins. be they sexual or any other?

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Of course the naysayers want you to compromise your beliefs to make you acceptable to the God haters. The scripture is quite clear..."have nothing to do with the works of darkness" and I do not see any qualification there in regard to this.

If we are not of this world, we are not of this world. For too long too many christians want their cake and eat it too, but it just doesn't work that way. Either we are an alternative kingdom or we are not and if we are and we are, it is a case of no compromise and the sooner we realise this, the sooner the homosexual juggernaught will tremble at the sound of our voices.

Fear will never achieve anything. Faith in the power of God and in the name of Jesus will make us invincible and to hell with man's attempts to overthrow the rule and reign of God.

They loved not their lives unto death. Have you got a death wish?