We must remember that righteousness is NOT the same as holiness. Job was righteous, Abraham was righteous but they still needed the blood of Jesus the very Spirit of the Word to be released to cleanse those who are able to receive him as the truth to live by. Our life or spirit, resides in our blood says God and that is why the blood of Jesus(Wine to drink in the Spirit of our adoption), which represents the Spirit of God, being the Spirit or Breath of life had to be shed to bring forth son's for God.
Jesus is the Word of Life (Bread of life) that we must feed upon. The Spirit and the Word indwell us to operate on our inwardly parts(heart) to imprint the Word upon our hearts so that we now longer need a law to just tell us what to do.. because we have it instilled in us to KNOW the Word personally.
Many just want their sins to just be covered saying that we can never change so Jesus died to take them away so that we can live without consequences.
No, Jesus died to ERASE our
Past sins so that no man could boast of why they were accepted(clean slate)... but Jesus came to take away our sins little by little, by our daily SELF-sacrificing of our old man that is a slave to sin. The Spirit and the Word work in us to help shed those lustful ways and to raise us up in our spirit man so that we will eventually be INCORRUPTABLE for we will be trained in the Word as overcomers. No more temptation shall have dominion over our body.
Just to cover up sin and not deal with it, brings us back to square one.. To a world full of Darkness, Chaos, Destruction,Disease and eventually Death.
Rom 3:25
25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of
sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;
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Rom 8:2
2 For the law of
the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
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1 John 1:1-2
1:1 That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon, and our hands have handled, of
the Word of life;
2(For
the life was manifested, and we have seen it, and bear witness, and shew unto you that eternal life,
which was with the Father, and was manifested unto us
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Lev 17:11
11 For
the life of the flesh is in the blood: and I have given it to you upon the altar to make an atonement for your souls: for it is the blood that maketh an atonement for the soul.
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This is not saying that only if you loose your blood you loose your life.. for you can die without shedding a drop. OUR actual life or spirit resides in our bloodline. The seed of the man contains the bloodline of a child, that is why it is was allowed for a man to have many wives, but a woman must be faithful to one man so as not to contaminate the man's bloodline.Jesus is THE SEED of God and when we receive the Word into our hearts, The Seed grows to change us being born again of the Spirit of the Word. The SEED is the Word himself.
If this were to literally feed upon Jesus' flesh and blood body, the disciples would have been cannibals and instead of him being nailed to HIS Cross, his body would have been eaten. Feed upon the Word and Drink in the Spirit for they are life and health to our bones and flesh.
John 6:53-58
53 Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you,
Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you.
54 Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood,
hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day.
55 For my flesh is meat indeed, and
my blood is drink indeed.
56 He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, dwelleth in me, and I in him.
57 As the living Father hath sent me, and I live by the Father:
so he that eateth me, even he shall live by me.
58 This is that bread which came down from heaven: not as your fathers did eat manna, and are dead:
he that eateth of this bread shall live for ever.
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Man shall not live by natural bread alone... but by every WORD that proceedeth from the MOUTH OF GOD. My sheep(are those who) HEAR MY VOICE
John 15:26-27
26 But
when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me:
27 And ye also shall bear witness, because ye have been with me from the beginning.
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John 8:42-44
42 Jesus said unto them,
If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me.
43
Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word.
44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
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In the beginning was THE Word.
Prentis said:
He has indeed freely cleansed us from the sins that are past.
In Christ we are indeed justified... But how can we then ignore the warnings to the one who has been grafted in, that he could be again cut out? How can we say abiding
in Christ requires nothing of our will and selves if Jesus exhorts us to do so?
The truth is we have freely received all these things, and as the Word exhorts us, we must now add to our fait (2 Peter) and with patient endurance continue until we receive the promises.
2 Peter 1: 8 For if these things be in you, and abound, they make you that ye shall neither be barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ. 9 But he that lacketh these things is blind, and cannot see afar off, and
hath forgotten that he was purged from his old sins
When we think that end of the gospel is to cleanse us from our sins, we stop short of the true purpose. The gospel is that God cleanses us from our past sins
for the purpose that we might now walk in the new nature and be as he is. The ground that receives the Word and produces good fruit is accepted, but the ground that receives the word and produces nothing but thorns and briers is rejected.
We have a high calling in Christ Jesus, so we must 'perfect holiness in the fear of God'.
Otherwise we might as well throw out all the warnings, the exhortations, the talks of the high calling and the power of God towards us.... But we want to receive the whole counsel of God.
14 Who gave himself for us,
that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works. (Titus 2)
That's the purpose of the gospel, that we be as he is. Blessings!
Keep up the good works Prentis!!! : )
musterion said:
He has indeed freely cleansed us from the sins that are past.
ALL sins ( Col 2:13-14 ), friend Prentis, not just those that are past.
Closely contemplate v. 14. The means by which any condemnation is justly issued by God has been CANCELLED for those in Christ because HE took it upon Himself once and for all. That IS what it says. Do you deny it?
In Christ we are indeed justified... But how can we then ignore the warnings to the one who has been grafted in, that he could be again cut out? How can we say abiding
in Christ requires nothing of our will and selves if Jesus exhorts us to do so?
I've dealt with Romans 9-11 elsehwere, as I think you read (you were at least on the thread, I think, though you never replied to those points as best I recall). Paul is not speaking of the salvation of individuals but of positions of usefulness to God, which Gentiles did not have until Christ brought us to God.
The truth is we have freely received all these things, and as the Word exhorts us, we must now add to our fait (2 Peter) and with patient endurance continue until we receive the promises.
2 Peter 1: 8 For if these things be in you, and abound, they make you that ye shall neither be barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ. 9 But he that lacketh these things is blind, and cannot see afar off, and
hath forgotten that he was purged from his old sins
If you would be so kind, please post 1 Peter 1:1 and 2 Peter 3.1. It may bring light on an important factor you're overlooking.
When we think that end of the gospel is to cleanse us from our sins, we stop short of the true purpose. The gospel is that God cleanses us from our
past ALL sins
for the purpose that we might now walk in the new nature and be as he is.
Agreed and amen.
The ground that receives the Word and produces good fruit is accepted, but the ground that receives the word and produces nothing but thorns and briers is rejected.
Who was being addressed when those warnings were given?
We have a high calling in Christ Jesus, so we must 'perfect holiness in the fear of God'. Otherwise we might as well throw out all the warnings, the exhortations, the talks of the high calling and the power of God towards us.... But we want to receive the whole counsel of God.
Prentis, you cannot be free of condemnation and dead to the Law before God, AND subject to potential damnation by Him at the same time. One of them has to go - you cannot have both. Pick one.
14 Who gave himself for us,
that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works. (Titus 2)
And in that very verse, whose job is it to see to it all that happens? Not yours. Not mine. His. We are HIS workmanship. You do not realize this but you are seeking to take burdens unto yourself which no man can shoulder, nor were we meant to...we ARE to desire it, to seek after it, to strive for it, but by His Spirit, not by our strength. It is HIS task to accomplish in us, not a level WE are to attain "or else."
I see the problem you are having musterion. You are not realizing that, saved, and chosen to inherit the KINGDOM Rule of God are two different things.
Our works of the Spirit do matter for our rewards in heaven. To believe that Jesus is the Son of God who died and was resurrected gives us a right standing with God to receive the Spirit, but we must SUBMIT for the Spirit to be able to work in us... Surely you must know believers who are just that and have not grown in the Word. Who are not worthy to be a king or priest of God?
1 Cor 3:11 For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ.
12 Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble;
13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.
14 If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward.
15 If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.
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Christ died for ALL, the living and the dead so that all could live again for he could only do it ONCE.
So all will be resurrected in the GWTJ which is the second resurrection, but most will be going to the lake of fire for their rejecting the gift of God to be salvaged by His Word and Spirit. And some will be the meek being the saved that will inherit the rest of the earth(saved nations) outside of the Bride or heavenly Jerusalem for they were not found worthy to enter in.
Heavenly Jerusalem shall come down and sit on the earth once all sin has been removed as the true body of Christ (Those of the first resurrection being martyr's and holy ones) will come soon to prepare a place for her at his return.
2 Cor 5:14-15
14 For the love of Christ constraineth us; because we thus judge,
that if one died for all, then were all dead:
15 And
that he died for all, that they which live should not henceforth live unto themselves, but unto him which died for them, and rose again.
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Rom 14:10
9 For to this end Christ both died, and rose, and revived,
that he might be Lord both of the dead and living.
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He died for our sins Past.. but we do have repentance for any sin that we stumble in as we are learning as babes how to walk in the Word. But we should not willfully sin when we have come to the knowledge of the Truth, otherwise we will not be found worthy of inheriting the kingdom of God.
