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Trucker-For-Christ

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(Matthew 19:9) And I say unto you, Whosoever, shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery.from Merriam-Webster Dictionaryfornication=consensual sexual intercourse between two persons not married to each otheradultery=voluntary sexual intercourse between a married man and someone other than his wife or between a married woman and someone other than her husbandMy question is if fornication is between 2 people not married then how can a married person fornicate?Or am I trying to read to much into it?Thanks,Tommy
 

Jordan

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Sex before marriage is a sin. I believe that's fornication.Note: Not all man can receiveth the same saying. It's only to people that receiveth the saying and/or knowing...not to people that doesn't know...(for example this woman got divorced in that country...some years later...she moved into another country that is far away from the previous country and marries a man who didn't receive the saying)JagLovest ye in Christ Yahshua our Lord and Saviour.
 

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My question is if fornication is between 2 people not married then how can a married person fornicate?
The married person fornicates if they have sex with someone other than their spouseThere is a deeper meaning to this verse that I wish to shareMatthew 19:9 "And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery."Jesus is telling them; This is what I am saying as the Christ, Jesus is stating what Moses said, only He is going one step beyond, and closing the door that Moses left open in Deuteronomy 24:2; "she may go and be another man's wife." Now apply this to the spiritual application, of Christ and His bride. Jesus said I'm going away for a long while, and I will return for my bride in that day. Then in Matthew 24:19; "And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!" Jesus is directing this verse to His bride, those that call themselves Christians, and say that they are part of the many membered body of Christ. They are supposed to be the wife, and the husband is gone; Christ is not here now, but in heaven. Christ is with us and in us spiritually, but His physical presence will not come until the seventh trumpet. That is the Second Advent. No, this verse is not directed to the young woman that has just given birth to a baby, or is pregnant with a child, but to those who claim the name of Christ, and then will run out at the arrival of the Antichrist, Satan, and worship him as the true Christ, in ignorance. Jesus is telling you, Woe to you, if you should be the one.There are many who teach that divorce is the unforgivable sin, and it is an act that you just can't do that. They want to pass this act off to you, as something that God will not forgive, and that is just as much a lie, as the distortions given by the Kenites. Some churches just love to beat up on the poor divorcee and make him or her as scum, and a second class citizen. This is like saying that God can not be God because He divorced Israel. How stupid. That is what repentance and freedom in Christ is all about, When you fall, and you see you are wrong, you repent, you ask God for forgiveness in Jesus Christ's name. Jesus went to the Cross, and gave His blood for you to have your right to call out to Him in repentance. Friend, don't let any self-righteous hypocrite Pharisee deacon or preacher take that right from you. If they want you to carry that burden of a forgiven sin around, run from them. You don't need them, then start praising the Lord, and looking ahead in the Word of God. God has a plan, and this is all part of that plan. God is the Father, and we are His children. The subject spiritually is that Christ is the husband, and the saved person is part of the bride of Christ. When that bride sins and seeks repentance, Christ forgives. When we have offended others, we are compelled to forgive, and in Matthew 18:22, Jesus compelled us to forgive those that repent, and ask our forgiveness 490 times a day. When you refuse to allow that sin to be forgiven when the sister or brother in the Lord seeks forgiveness, then that sin is on your head. If both repent from the heart, not this play acting stuff, then they are free to remarry, and are new creatures in the family of God. The law of Moses has nothing to do with what Jesus is stating here, in the sense that the teaching of the law was for a school master, and it taught its lesson. No man can keep the law, all of it, and when you break one part, then you have broken all of it. That Law was to show us that we are hopeless under the law, and that is why Christ came to die on the cross. From that shed blood that Christ gave, their is forgiveness from the shackles of the law, and we become new creatures in Christ.Divorce is not good, and should be avoided when possible, and in some cases is next to death on a family; yet there times when it is a necessity, and should be used. God is a loving and understanding Father, and He offers forgiveness for all sin, and in God's forgiveness, there is peace of mind.http://www.theseason.org/matthew/matthew19.htm
 

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Luke 16:18 "EVERYONE who divorces his wife and marries another COMMITS ADULTERY, and he who marries one who is divorced from a husband commits adultery." It's important to understand what "Everyone who divorces his wife and marries another commits adultery" means, and to understand the definition of the word adultery itself and the ramifications of this statement. Adultery is voluntary sexual relations between a married person and somebody other than his or her spouse, or having voluntary sexual relations with someone elses spouse. Think about what Jesus is saying here: Luke 16:18 "Everyone who divorces his wife and marries another is having voluntary sexual relations with somebody other than his or her spouse while being married (commits adultery), and he who marries one who is divorced from a husband is having voluntary sexual relations with someone elses spouse(committing adultery)." Jesus is saying therefore that everyone who is in a second "marriage" after a divorce is engaging in the sin of adultery, and aren't married at all. As far as the fornication "exception" mentioned in Matthew, many try to turn Jesus' statements completely in reverse of what He was saying and contradict the above verse as well as most of the Bible on the subject: Matthew 19: 3-6 Some Pharisees came to Jesus, testing Him and asking, "Is it lawful for a man to divorce his wife for any reason at all?" And He answered and said, "Have you not read that He who created them from the beginning MADE THEM MALE AND FEMALE, and said, 'FOR THIS REASON A MAN SHALL LEAVE HIS FATHER AND MOTHER AND BE JOINED TO HIS WIFE, AND THE TWO SHALL BECOME ONE FLESH'? "So they are no longer two, but one flesh. What therefore God has joined together, let no man separate." First of all, the entire claim that God allows divorce and remarriage is refuted by Jesus immediately when the Pharisees ask Him the question, because His answer was an unequivocal NO! He says it is absolutely unlawful to God for us to try to separate what He Himself has joined together, so any claim that He was making provision here for divorce and remarriage is false. What they completely ignore is His answer to the fundamental question and instead take His answer to a completely different question out of context. The Pharisees then go on to question Him about the Old Covenant Law and an apparent “exception” offered there: Matthew 19: 7-9 They *said to Him, "Why then did Moses command to GIVE HER A CERTIFICATE OF DIVORCE AND SEND her AWAY?" He *said to them, "Because of your hardness of heart Moses permitted you to divorce your wives; but from the beginning it has not been this way. "And I say to you, whoever divorces his wife, except for fornication, and marries another woman commits adultery." The obvious fact that many people ignore when reading this passage, is that the context of the “exception” is in the Old Covenant Law for Old Covenant people. It is irrelevant therefore for New Covenant believers regardless of what it was referring to, but when we look at what it actually says, it is clear that even this provision was not offering the type of “divorce” as it is practiced today of fully married people, but for an anulment of a marriage covenant due to a woman committing fornication or premarital infidelity. She had failed to provide the virgin bride agreed for when the covenant was made, so he was given a provision to dissolve that covenant. If you read the actual Old Covenant Law that is being referred to here in Deuteronomy 22:13-21 & 24:1-4 it gave a man provision to divorce his wife if she was found sexually unclean, or not a virgin, when he married her. You must understand that Old Covenant marriages involved making a marriage covenant between the families long before the two were actually married. Therefore they were under covenant and considered husband and wife for about a year prior to being married which was the betrothal period. Then they came together and were married, and it was at that point the man could divorce her if she wasn't a virgin. None of this has anything to do with "divorce" as it is practiced today, and even in Old Covenant marriages the Law stated that once the couple was fully married and there were no allegations of premarital fornication "she shall remain his wife; he cannot divorce her all his days." (Deut. 22:19). When Jesus therefore said to the Pharisees "whoever divorces his wife, except for fornication, and marries another woman commits adultery" it was a condemnation against them and calling them adulterers for divorcing and remarrying. It wasn't giving them a license to do so at all, and people completely turn that verse on it's head in suggesting that Jesus was making provision for divorce and remarriage when in fact He was doing the exact opposite. SealedEternal
 

His By Grace

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So, why was this question asked? Are you trying to witness to someone about this? Just wonderin'
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Christina

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Divorce is not an unforgivable sin repent of your part in its failure ask for forgivness from your father for all fall short . God only says he hates divorce he does not say its unforgivable God himself divorced Israel.
 

SealedEternal

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(kriss;30731)
Divorce is not an unforgivable sin repent of your part in its failure ask for forgivness from your father for all fall short . God only says he hates divorce he does not say its unforgivable God himself divorced Israel.
He does however say that to remarry is to commit adultery or have an illicit relationship with someone who is not your spouse while being married to another, and that if you do not repent of that sin you cannot inherit His Kingdom. God does not forgive your sins unless you are willing to turn from them and abide by His commands.SealedEternal
 

toddsumrall.com

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Fornication Greek Porneia where we get the word pornography means "harlotry and adultery and incest" Strongs # 4202
 

SealedEternal

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(toddsumrall.com;32365)
Fornication Greek Porneia where we get the word pornography means "harlotry and adultery and incest" Strongs # 4202
The word that is always translated as adultery in the Greek New Testament is "moicheuō." Porniea is a broad term that means sexual immorality and can refer to many different forms of such depending on the context. SealedEternal
 

FoC

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(SealedEternal;32606)
The word that is always translated as adultery in the Greek New Testament is "moicheuō." Porniea is a broad term that means sexual immorality and can refer to many different forms of such depending on the context. SealedEternal
The use of 'porneia' means that ANY sexual deviance is what Christ is speaking about, not just adultery alone.READERS SEE->"Porneia...aka "fornication"Porneia absolutely includes adultery and even bestiality, and also includes premarital sex that 'adultery' would not cover.There is nothing in the context of either exception that removes the entire scope of meaning of porneia...
 

FoC

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SealedEternal;29747]Luke 16:18 "[b][u]EVERYONE[/u] who divorces his wife and marries another [u]COMMITS ADULTERY[/u] said:
." It's important to understand what "Everyone who divorces his wife and marries another commits adultery" means, and to understand the definition of the word adultery itself and the ramifications of this statement.
No more so that it is important to understand that Marks version says 'NO sign shall be given to this generation' as an absolute statement, while others say that there will be a sign given.[/quote]That an exception appears only in Matthew does not alter the meaning of that exception.READERS SEE->Matthew written to Jews, do the differences matter ?
 

FoC

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(kriss;30731)
Divorce is not an unforgivable sin repent of your part in its failure ask for forgivness from your father for all fall short . God only says he hates divorce he does not say its unforgivable God himself divorced Israel.
Amen Kriss !