Is anyone in a church that is led by Jesus Christ?

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Robertson

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I see many churches that try to follow Jesus. These churches read through an ancient record and try to follow what Jesus told the people 2,000 years ago. They read the stories and they learn from them. They take the writings of some of the Apostles and try to piece together the fragments to form a church body of some sort - though this, of course, leads to the myriads of Christian sects that are in existence. The fact is that the Bible is not a step-by-step priesthood manual on how to run the church that Christ organized and set his Apostles to run. Nor is it a complete record of everything that Jesus and these men ever did.

So, patterning your life after the book is good, it is helpful, it builds faith, it gets people to repent and become better. But looking to this record and trying to determine how things should be run in the church is a scary thought, since it was written with no such intent! If it was, it would be clear and concise and there would be one church of Jesus Christ, who would literally lead His church through His Apostles like He did before. He would appear to them as a resurrected being and give them instruction, He would give them visions and blessings, and He would direct them in all the problems of our day.

This is the church I am looking for and have yet to find it. A church that is LED by Him, not one that is trying to follow an incomplete archaic text and arguing over who has interpreted it better.
 

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The 'Church' is not a man-made organization, but the many membered body of Christ. We have his Word, and it isn't dependent on any specific denomination or only administered by the church building on the corner. Those are just devices used to gather together for fellowship, inspiration, edification, baptism, teaching, etc. His Word lives in the hearts of those who believe, he is the chief cornerstone (Ephesians 2:20). God does not dwell in buildings made by hands (Acts 7:48), but in the hearts of the believers (1 Corinthians 3:16). So imo, those who hear his gospel are sealed by his Holy Spirit. Its our faith that makes us whole, not a physical place of worship.
 

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Robertson said:
I see many churches that try to follow Jesus. These churches read through an ancient record and try to follow what Jesus told the people 2,000 years ago. They read the stories and they learn from them. They take the writings of some of the Apostles and try to piece together the fragments to form a church body of some sort - though this, of course, leads to the myriads of Christian sects that are in existence. The fact is that the Bible is not a step-by-step priesthood manual on how to run the church that Christ organized and set his Apostles to run. Nor is it a complete record of everything that Jesus and these men ever did.

So, patterning your life after the book is good, it is helpful, it builds faith, it gets people to repent and become better. But looking to this record and trying to determine how things should be run in the church is a scary thought, since it was written with no such intent! If it was, it would be clear and concise and there would be one church of Jesus Christ, who would literally lead His church through His Apostles like He did before. He would appear to them as a resurrected being and give them instruction, He would give them visions and blessings, and He would direct them in all the problems of our day.

This is the church I am looking for and have yet to find it. A church that is LED by Him, not one that is trying to follow an incomplete archaic text and arguing over who has interpreted it better.
I find your seeming disregard for the bible somewhat distressing. The bible is much more than just an 'ancient record'....incomplete at that. Why would God give us a book that was incomplete? That did not have within it everything Christians down the line of history would need to live a life for God?
The answer is....he didn't. The bible is everything we need (with of course the obvious exception of the Triune God working in our lives!). No, it doesn't record every single event that Jesus did or said, or everything God thought or did....but lets face it, no book could contain such massive and incomprehensable things. As far as the reports on Jesus' life and events...no, it may not share the campfire conversations of the apostles and our Lord, but what it does, is give us what we need to understand His teachings....the gospel.

As far as us 'trying to piece together the fragments to form a church body of some sort - though this, of course, leads to the myriads of Christian sects that are in existence'.....I think you will find that all the 'christian sects'....although I baulk at calling them that, because I can't see that they're the least bit 'christian'...came about because they did not follow the bible. They added to it, or ignored parts of it...and that is what led them into dangerous waters.

The bible has some wonderful advice and requirements for God's Church, that stand us in good stead when we implement them in our gatherings....but let me stress this.....the "Church" you are looking for does not exist yet, and will not exist until Christ returns and gives us sin-free natures in which to follow him in eternity. Right now...no matter how perfect the advice in scripture, it is still being followed and implemented by people still battling their old sin natures. We still live in a fallen world, and have fallen bodies. Mistakes will be made, we will stumble over sin....our own and others. It will not be perfect.

So....I think the point I'm trying to make is this: your post seems to me to blame the bible and its incomplete nature, for the churches problems. I think you have that wrong. The bible is divinely inspired, complete and perfect in its advice and demands and recollections. It's only when you put humans into the mix that things go pear shaped.
 

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Robertson said:
I see many churches that try to follow Jesus. These churches read through an ancient record and try to follow what Jesus told the people 2,000 years ago. They read the stories and they learn from them. They take the writings of some of the Apostles and try to piece together the fragments to form a church body of some sort - though this, of course, leads to the myriads of Christian sects that are in existence. The fact is that the Bible is not a step-by-step priesthood manual on how to run the church that Christ organized and set his Apostles to run. Nor is it a complete record of everything that Jesus and these men ever did.

So, patterning your life after the book is good, it is helpful, it builds faith, it gets people to repent and become better. But looking to this record and trying to determine how things should be run in the church is a scary thought, since it was written with no such intent! If it was, it would be clear and concise and there would be one church of Jesus Christ, who would literally lead His church through His Apostles like He did before. He would appear to them as a resurrected being and give them instruction, He would give them visions and blessings, and He would direct them in all the problems of our day.

This is the church I am looking for and have yet to find it. A church that is LED by Him, not one that is trying to follow an incomplete archaic text and arguing over who has interpreted it better.
2 Timothy 3:16-17 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: that the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.

John 20:30-31 And many other signs truly did Jesus in the presence of his disciples, which are not written in this book: but these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.

With the Scriptures, one may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God and they have eternal life. Not only that, but the Scriptures are able to make a man perfect, and thoroughly furnished unto all good works.
 

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Rach said:
So....I think the point I'm trying to make is this: your post seems to me to blame the bible and its incomplete nature, for the churches problems. I think you have that wrong. The bible is divinely inspired, complete and perfect in its advice and demands and recollections. It's only when you put humans into the mix that things go pear shaped.
I agree with your thoughts Rach. God said he sees the end from the beginning, Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, today and forever, There is nothing new under the Sun, my Word shall forever stand, it's written for our admonision (whom upon the ends of the world are come), etc.... The Bible truly is a timeless Book!
 

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Robertson said:
I see many churches that try to follow Jesus. These churches read through an ancient record and try to follow what Jesus told the people 2,000 years ago. They read the stories and they learn from them. They take the writings of some of the Apostles and try to piece together the fragments to form a church body of some sort - though this, of course, leads to the myriads of Christian sects that are in existence. The fact is that the Bible is not a step-by-step priesthood manual on how to run the church that Christ organized and set his Apostles to run. Nor is it a complete record of everything that Jesus and these men ever did.

So, patterning your life after the book is good, it is helpful, it builds faith, it gets people to repent and become better. But looking to this record and trying to determine how things should be run in the church is a scary thought, since it was written with no such intent! If it was, it would be clear and concise and there would be one church of Jesus Christ, who would literally lead His church through His Apostles like He did before. He would appear to them as a resurrected being and give them instruction, He would give them visions and blessings, and He would direct them in all the problems of our day.

This is the church I am looking for and have yet to find it. A church that is LED by Him, not one that is trying to follow an incomplete archaic text and arguing over who has interpreted it better.
Amen!

The Bible testifies of how men were led of the Spirit. It does this to the purpose that we also be led by the Spirit. It gives us a good idea, but without the leading of the Spirit we are just copying what others did as God told them to, without God actually telling us to.

It is good to seek to obey as much as we can. It is better to seek the Spirit and receive his power and guidance to do perfect works birthed of the Spirit.
 

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Prentis said:
Amen!

The Bible testifies of how men were led of the Spirit. It does this to the purpose that we also be led by the Spirit. It gives us a good idea, but without the leading of the Spirit we are just copying what others did as God told them to, without God actually telling us to.

It is good to seek to obey as much as we can. It is better to seek the Spirit and receive his power and guidance to do perfect works birthed of the Spirit.
[SIZE=large]I agree with you. And yes I belong to a church led by Jesus.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=large]All those who hear the Word of God, and live that Word is the Church led by Jesus.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=large]Only Jesus knows who those people are, so I worship with those who I do know, and that is God’s Church.[/SIZE]
 

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Why would anyone attend a church that they believed was failing to follow Jesus?
 

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I've no doubt that there are plenty of churches out and about just like the
one described at Rev 3:14-21 where Jesus is depicted outside the building
banging on the door trying to get someone's attention to let him in. Not one
single member of the Laodicien church was following Christ; not even the
pastor or any of his/her staff; nor the deacons and deaconesses and Sunday
school teachers. The entire church, from pew to pulpit, was operating off
reservation totally indifferent to Christ's wishes.

I once heard an old pastor say that if Christ were to show up for a surprise
visit in some churches that they would get indignant and protest his
meddling in their affairs and disrupting the services. And if he were to say
anything critical; they would attack him as a hypocrite for being judgmental.

Buen Camino
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Webers home, they have already thrown Him out. What did He say, " you who have stoned the prophets". Itchy ears, lets hear nice things that dont upset us,Christ came to show us a better way, but man prefers the old,and the pharisees killed Him for it. They got convicted,

In all His Love
 

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So why don't you start your own church based on what you believe a church should do to be led by Him?