Rocky Wiley said:
What are your comments on this scripture?
If death has not been defeated, could we still dead and have not been given eternal life as Jesus promised?
I am trying to work this out by scripture and it seems to point out that death has been defeated and that would mean 'all' has been fulfilled.
This is an amazing verse set to me. Read it with open eyes and it makes sense. To do this, symbolism must be defined. I cannot answer this unless you know the entire context to this verse set below. I will type it all out for you, but reading it is your choice.
1 Corinthians 15
[SIZE=.75em]20 But Christ has indeed been raised from the dead, the firstfruits of those who have fallen asleep.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=.75em]21 For since death came through a man, the resurrection of the dead comes also through a man.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=.75em]22 For as in Adam all die, so in Christ all will be made alive.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=.75em]23 But each in turn: Christ, the firstfruits;then, when he comes, those who belong to him.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=.75em]24 Then the end will come, when he hands over the kingdom to God the Father after he has destroyed all dominion, authority and power.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=.75em]25 For he must reign until he has put all his enemies under his feet.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=.75em]26 The last enemy to be destroyed is death.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=.75em]27 For he “has put everything under his feet.”[
c][/SIZE] Now when it says that “everything” has been put under him, it is clear that this does not include God himself, who put everything under Christ.
[SIZE=.75em]28 When he has done this, then the Son himself will be made subject to him who put everything under him, so that God may be all in all.[/SIZE]
To get this, you must have a paradigm shift in understanding about baptism. Baptism is a concept known to the ancients as Involution and Evolution. We are immersed into the waters of life so we can rise to new life. This is not simply something we symbolize with the church and water, this ordinance has a meaning. All ordinances have a final meaning, but the church has failed to see the meaning to the root of the symbol. Like I said above, once your eyes are opened, it all makes sense. Think it through. Do you die and that's it? No, Jesus said, "you must be born again." He was the firstfruits and Death is the LAST enemy. Before death can be destroyed, the other enemies (Builders (Masons), Moneychangers, High Priests of Rome and the Experts in the Law (Lawyers) must be made the footsool). Has this happened yet? Nearly so. Read my thread on the topic:
Prophecy of Jesus entering the Temple at Passover.
By using the word firstfruits, Paul is describing the same topic that I am describing using the term, "opening eyes." The process of a grain seed opening takes you from the seed being harvested, the chaff being beaten until the seed is released, the threshing of the chaff to blow in the wind and the grain entering new ground. In the case of the seed after Christ, he is the fruit. The fruit drops form the tree, enters the tomb (Soil) then emerges as a new plant. He is the first of this, but Christ is now making bread, not seed. The seed is what we are here in the wilderness. We are sharing in the bread, meaning that we are producing our own fruit first. Seed comes later and we then use that seed to grow from the tree of life. Baptism is the process of water on the seed to grow in good soil. You must be born again.
Continue with the verses above. Those who have fallen asleep are the lost souls in the flood (Baptism). We are the beasts in pairs in riding the ARK in the water. Who is the ARK? Christ. We are the body, he is the head (Grain). We share the bread as it is baked in the oven (refinery of Earth (Deuteronomy 19)). Also, check Genesis 40 for the cup bearer and baker. You do not want to be the baker. You want to bear the cup. The baker meets his end somewhere else.
Now that you have the key, read this:
1 Corinthians 10
[SIZE=.75em]14 Therefore, my dear friends, flee from idolatry.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=.75em]15 I speak to sensible people; judge for yourselves what I say.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=.75em]16 Is not the cup of thanksgiving for which we give thanks a participation in the blood of Christ? And is not the bread that we break a participation in the body of Christ?[/SIZE]
[SIZE=.75em]17 Because there is one loaf, we, who are many, are one body, for we all share the one loaf.[/SIZE]
The beast in the water is you. You are fleeing idolatry, which is the pride of selfishness. We are to be selfless instead. The temple is where the beast is sacrificed and exchanged for a thank and grain offering. We, who are many, are ONE loaf. The one loaf of bread is Christ. We are the slices. He is the heel on either end. Read 1 Corinthians 15 further down and the Heel is Adam on either side of the loaf. On one end he is fallen. On the other, he is the Redeemer. The object is to avoid being burnt toast.
WHAT! You say, "Adam is not the Redeemer!" I say, read Job.
Job 19
[SIZE=.75em]25 [/SIZE]I know that my redeemer[SIZE=.65em][
c][/SIZE] lives,
and that in the end he will stand on the earth.[SIZE=.65em][
d][/SIZE]
[SIZE=.75em]26 [/SIZE]And after my skin has been destroyed,
yet[SIZE=.65em][
e][/SIZE] in[SIZE=.65em][
f][/SIZE] my flesh I will see God;
[SIZE=.75em]27 [/SIZE]I myself will see him
with my own eyes—I, and not another.
How my heart yearns within me!
[SIZE=.75em]28 [/SIZE]“If you say, ‘How we will hound him,
since the root of the trouble lies in him,[SIZE=.65em][
g][/SIZE]’
[SIZE=.75em]29 [/SIZE]you should fear the sword yourselves;
for wrath will bring punishment by the sword,
and then you will know that there is judgment.[SIZE=.65em][
h][/SIZE]”
The root of the trouble is in who? The Redeemer. Do not hound him later about it. Why? Job knew, and this is why no sacrifice was necessary for Job at the end of the book. His faith was secure in the knowledge of the Redeemer. Now you know. Jesus is required to be a kinsman, fully a man like us. If we are required to be born again, then who is Jesus throughout scripture? David? Solomon? Melchizedek? Boaz?
So, to answer your question? When is death eliminated? When the story is over and the body of Christ rises. We are the body. He is the head. You must be born again until death is no more a problem. Until then, you are veiled from what you once knew about your previous estate.
In Hebrew, AMN is True. In English, it is AMEN. In Greek and Latin, it is AMN (Lamb).
AMN - Lamb
AMNi - River of life (Jordan)
AMNio - bowl catching the sacrifice of the Lamb
AMNion - sac covering the baby in the mother's womb
AMNiotic Fluid - Water of the womb (Baptism)
AMNesia - The Condition of the Lamb
AMNesty - When God forgets
dAMNation - When God remembers
In Hebrew, Father is Aleph (Strength) Bet (House). Son is Bet (House) Nun (Seed). Mother is Alpeh (Strength) Mem (Water).
The Strong House is guarded by the Father. The tent opening is the Bet of the House. The Son is the House of seed continuing the House. The Mother is the water, the caretaker and womb of life and catalyst of letters (DNA) and Words (Proteins). She is the water. When the baby is almost born, it is a temple (Template) veiled in the womb in darkness. When it emerges in the light, it learns and has new ability. When the ears are opened and the heart (Homer / Cor) is filled, the Homer (10 bushels of Grain) is then stored for later. In Hebrew, the Heart is the Cor / Homer / Hart. The basked of grain. Your seed (DNA) is reCORded in the Lamb's Book of Life.
Ultimately, death is the change of the Seed of the Son (House of Seed) from the blood of the cross and our new DNA. Father is Aleph Bet (Alphabet). Son is the Word. He is the one that writes our DNA as the Logos.
John 1
[SIZE=1.25em]1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=.75em]2 He was with God in the beginning.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=.75em]3 Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=.75em]4 In him was life, and that life was the light of all mankind.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=.75em]5 The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not overcome[
a][/SIZE] it.
Involution and Evolution (rising to new life). Resurrection. You must be born again.
Like I said. Paradigm shift. Once you know, you cannot unknow.
Are your ears (grain) opened?
Hey is the Hebrew letter for "Behold a great work." hEar.
HearT. T is Tav, or two crossed sticks. The letter of the Father is Aleph (Alpha). The letter for the Son is Tav (Omega). Can this extend to English? Yes. God is the Word and the fruit of the tree branches drops in every country after Babel.
Revelation 1
[SIZE=.75em]8 [/SIZE]
“I am the Alpha and the Omega,” says the Lord God, “who is, and who was, and who is to come,the Almighty.”
Death ends when the TAV reaches the end. AMEN.
