Do you believe in biological evolution?

ArkangeMikail · Dec 2, 2025

Do you believe in biological evolution? That Mankind is actually a species of ape? That all species come from fundamental forms that have evolved? (bacteria->fish->mammal...) That God directed somehow evolution?
If you believe in evolution, how do you concile this scientific theory with the biblical story of creation?

Or do you believe in the genesis creation? That God has created all the universe immediately?
If you believe in creation, what do you think of the scientific discoveries?

Netchaplain · Dec 4, 2025

ArkangeMikail said:
Do you believe in biological evolution? That Mankind is actually a species of ape? That all species come from fundamental forms that have evolved? (bacteria->fish->mammal...) That God directed somehow evolution?
If you believe in evolution, how do you concile this scientific theory with the biblical story of creation?

Or do you believe in the genesis creation? That God has created all the universe immediately?
If you believe in creation, what do you think of the scientific discoveries?

Hi AM, and happy to meet you! I would like to share some Bible doctrine with you. It's a good thing you decided to be right with God, the Lord Jesus said that the majority of mankind is not going to choose the right way, and this was something that really moved me about 45 years ago, and it was one of the passages that God used for me to want to be right with Him (Mat 7:13, 14).

Concerning evolution, we see in Genesis that life began with Adam, and there was nothing else going on other than Him bringing him to life, which was the start of the human race (Gen 2:7). No animals involved!

Deborah_ · Dec 4, 2025

ArkangeMikail said:
Do you believe in biological evolution? That Mankind is actually a species of ape? That all species come from fundamental forms that have evolved? (bacteria->fish->mammal...) That God directed somehow evolution?
If you believe in evolution, how do you concile this scientific theory with the biblical story of creation?

Or do you believe in the genesis creation? That God has created all the universe immediately?
If you believe in creation, what do you think of the scientific discoveries?

Genesis tells us nothing about how God created the world. And the seven days of Genesis 1 are likely to be symbolic.

Therefore, evolution isn't necessarily incompatible with divine creation. I believe in both.

Netchaplain · Dec 5, 2025

Deborah_ said:
Genesis tells us nothing about how God created the world. And the seven days of Genesis 1 are likely to be symbolic.

Therefore, evolution isn't necessarily incompatible with divine creation. I believe in both.

Hi Deb! Not sure what you mean by "how God created the world." We could truthfully say He spoke everything into existence, Gen 1. Myself, I take "And the evening and the morning" literal, because of the way it is mentioned. No reason to take it any other way.

Everything was created and man was the only creature made in God's image. He made Adam from the dust of the ground and Eve for one of his ribs. Everything else is "born" after God puts the seed of life into female creatures; with the exception of male seahorses, pipefish, and sea dragons.

God bless!

Rockerduck · Dec 5, 2025

The Cambrian explosion discredited Darwin in the 1800's. Satan is still trying to convince people God did not speak the world into existence.

Debp · Dec 5, 2025

Deborah_ said:
Therefore, evolution isn't necessarily incompatible with divine creation. I believe in both.

There might be transitions within species... however we did not descend from Apes. God did create us.

Deborah_ · Dec 6, 2025

Netchaplain said:
Hi Deb! Not sure what you mean by "how God created the world." We could truthfully say He spoke everything into existence, Gen 1.

We could indeed all say truthfully that God spoke everything into existence. But how? Genesis doesn't tell us; it's left to our imaginations. And some of us imagine mountains, stars and creatures appearing suddenly, as if out of a hat, while others imagine continents colliding, supernovae exploding and creatures evolving.
God's word can act slowly as well as instantly - see Isaiah 55:10,11, where His Word is compared to rainwater. You don't get from rain falling to bread on the table in just a few seconds - it takes at least a year!

Debp said:
There might be transitions within species... however we did not descend from Apes. God did create us.

It's interesting, though, that according to Isaiah 64:8 we are all created in the same way as Adam - from clay, by the hand of the Potter. Even though we all grew inside the womb of a mother.

Wrangler · Dec 6, 2025

ArkangeMikail said:
Do you believe in biological evolution? That Mankind is actually a species of ape?

Evolution is one thing I have changed my mind about as an adult.

In my thread evidence to be seen, there is a vid Is Genesis Real?, which delves into the question where many PhD scientists who are Christian are interviewed. In short, the question comes down to definition. There is evidence of life forms reacting to its environment in descent. There is no evidence of deviating from what the Bible says regarding kinds of life.

That is, there is evidence of one kind of butterfly evolving into another kind of butterfly. There is no evidence that a horse evolves into a butterfly - or any other kind of animal evolving into another kind of animal. Horses and dogs evolve into other kinds of horses and dogs. This is huge when you discuss evolution to those who passionately believe it! They must accept the fact that there is not a single example of one kind of life form evolving into another kind of life form. Horse kind remain horse kind. Butterfly kind remain butterfly kind. Dog kind remain dog kind.

"Species" is not the language of the Bible. It is the language of taxonomy. Since you asked a highly technical question, I will answer it in technical terms. From wiki:

I'm not sure why my source material from wiki does not use tribe and sub tribe for both. However, it is clear the relationship ends at family, not tribe. Conclusion. Mankind is not a species of ape.

To defend our faith, let's consider the consequences if the language of taxonomy did categorize mankind and apes as two species of the same genus? It can be tested. A classic definition for species (as opposed to race or breed) is being able to produce fertile young. A mule is infertile, the offspring of animals in the same genus, horse and donkey. Being able to produce offspring that are not fertile is the classic definition of what being in the same genus means.

Enemies of the faith would have to resort to subterfuge, to changing the meaning of their own taxonomical language to reach the conclusion they want for the purposes of discrediting Scripture. Leviticus 19:19 Do not mate different kinds of animals.

Hope this helps.

Netchaplain · Dec 6, 2025

Deborah_ said:
We could indeed all say truthfully that God spoke everything into existence. But how? Genesis doesn't tell us;

Not sure what you mean by "how." Thanks!

Deborah_ · Dec 6, 2025

Netchaplain said:
Not sure what you mean by "how." Thanks!

I tried to explain:
"Genesis doesn't tell us; it's left to our imaginations. And some of us imagine mountains, stars and creatures appearing suddenly, as if out of a hat, while others imagine continents colliding, supernovae exploding and creatures evolving."

Debp · Dec 6, 2025

Wrangler said:
Evolution is one thing I have changed my mind about as an adult.

In my thread evidence to be seen, there is a vid Is Genesis Real?, which delves into the question where many PhD scientists who are Christian are interviewed. In short, the question comes down to definition. There is evidence of life forms reacting to its environment in descent. There is no evidence of deviating from what the Bible says regarding kinds of life.

That is, there is evidence of one kind of butterfly evolving into another kind of butterfly. There is no evidence that a horse evolves into a butterfly - or any other kind of animal evolving into another kind of animal. Horses and dogs evolve into other kinds of horses and dogs. This is huge when you discuss evolution to those who passionately believe it! They must accept the fact that there is not a single example of one kind of life form evolving into another kind of life form. Horse kind remain horse kind. Butterfly kind remain butterfly kind. Dog kind remain dog kind.

"Species" is not the language of the Bible. It is the language of taxonomy. Since you asked a highly technical question, I will answer it in technical terms. From wiki:
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I'm not sure why my source material from wiki does not use tribe and sub tribe for both. However, it is clear the relationship ends at family, not tribe. Conclusion. Mankind is not a species of ape.

To defend our faith, let's consider the consequences if the language of taxonomy did categorize mankind and apes as two species of the same genus? It can be tested. A classic definition for species (as opposed to race or breed) is being able to produce fertile young. A mule is infertile, the offspring of animals in the same genus, horse and donkey. Being able to produce offspring that are not fertile is the classic definition of what being in the same genus means.

Enemies of the faith would have to resort to subterfuge, to changing the meaning of their own taxonomical language to reach the conclusion they want for the purposes of discrediting Scripture. Leviticus 19:19 Do not mate different kinds of animals.

Hope this helps.

I prefer to use the word transitioning rather than evolving. Some Christian scientists do use that word. Meaning God created a "kind" (species)...yet within that "kind", sometimes changes (transitions) occur...such as the butterfly you mentioned.

Think of the dog....God originally created a dog, but later many transitions occurred to make different types of dogs.

The Institute for Creation Research | The Institute for Creation Research
@ArkangeMikail Check out the above website... Christian scientists that believe in God creating.

Chihuahua · Dec 8, 2025

Debp said:
There might be transitions within species... however we did not descend from Apes. God did create us.

We are apes. There are transition into new species. It is called speciation. That is why a horse and donkey can produce an offspring but it cannot reproduce. They were once a single species. There are others as well. You can see a drift in genetic code that produces that same protein.

Chihuahua · Dec 8, 2025

Rockerduck said:
The Cambrian explosion discredited Darwin in the 1800's. Satan is still trying to convince people God did not speak the world into existence.

No it did not.

rvmb · Dec 8, 2025

Chihuahua said:
We are apes. There are transition into new species. It is called speciation. That is why a horse and donkey can produce an offspring but it cannot reproduce. They were once a single species. There are others as well. You can see a drift in genetic code that produces that same protein.

As a Christian, do you accept or reject Gen 1:24:25
Canine, bovine, feline, equine etc.
24 And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so.
25 And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

Debp · Dec 8, 2025

Chihuahua said:
We are apes.

No we aren't.

This article explains that.

The Bipedal Two-Step of Human Evolution | The Institute for Creation Research

www.icr.org

Chihuahua · Dec 8, 2025

rvmb said:
As a Christian, do you accept or reject Gen 1:24:25
Canine, bovine, feline, equine etc.
24 And God said, Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind: and it was so.
25 And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

As a Christian, I accept that God is the source of all things. My very existence is through Him. God did not "make" me. God gives me existence. God does not exist because who gives Him existence? He is existence. "I am" - Jesus got in a bit of trouble for that. All that can be imagined is known to God and He gave existence to what could be referred to as forms. God knows what a unicorn is, but they do not exist. Before Adam, He knew us and gave existence to us.

I believe that Genesis provides two different accounts in Chapter 1 and Chapter 2. The narrative, even the name of God is different. This is similar to the Gospels. Why not one Gospel? What the ancient world went after was meaning, not concrete facts. Genesis is true, but that is like asking if a painting is true. You can have a cold security camera video in high resolution. A photo by Anselm Adams. A portrait that captures what the artist perceives. Which is true?

In a short form, the Soviets erased God and meaning and focused on materialism. We see to this day in the folly of the opposite, denying science that provides cures.

When you turn the bible into a science book you do nothing for science or faith. Science tells us how to do something. Faith tells us why we do something. God wants us to know Him and He can be found in faith and science.

Our DNA has these 3 codes, I guess, that produce an amino acid for a protein chain. Looking at the graph below, many are redundant. You get Leucine if you have TTA, TTG, CTT, CTC, CTA, or CTG. What is interesting is that the closer organisms are phenotypically (look alike), the closer they are genetically. There is no reason for this if God just popped in life randomly. Different codes produce the same result and the more distant the organism, the more the codes vary even if they code for the same protein.

Chihuahua · Dec 8, 2025

Debp said:
No we aren't.

This article explains that.

The Bipedal Two-Step of Human Evolution | The Institute for Creation Research

www.icr.org

With a name like Institute of Creation Research you know it has to be true and totally unbiased. I tried my best to avoid saying negative things about the fact that is not a scientific paper, nor written as one, and I like how the author presented himself: FRANK SHERWIN, D.SC. (HON.)
That is beyond offensive. He is claiming to be a Doctor of Science "Honorary" That means he threw money at a religious institution. Let's check:

Dr. Sherwin is a science news writer at the Institute for Creation Research. He earned an M.A. in invertebrate zoology from the University of Northern Colorado and received an honorary doctorate of science from Pensacola Christian College.

That is not how a real scientific paper is written.

Grailhunter · Dec 8, 2025

ArkangeMikail said:
Do you believe in biological evolution? That Mankind is actually a species of ape? That all species come from fundamental forms that have evolved? (bacteria->fish->mammal...) That God directed somehow evolution?
If you believe in evolution, how do you concile this scientific theory with the biblical story of creation?

Or do you believe in the genesis creation? That God has created all the universe immediately?
If you believe in creation, what do you think of the scientific discoveries?

Actually I believe in both.
The type of evolution over millions of years called intelligent design. Evolution caused by and guided by God.
Yahweh created Adam and Eve and when they stepped out into the world it was full of humans without souls.
It is these humans that were the descendants of monkeys. Their skin color was dark, Adam and Eve were pale white. When they joined their offspring had souls and had the general skin color of those today in the middle east and pale white skin color of the Jews today are from Adam and Eve. Adam and Eve stepped out of Eden around 6,000 years ago to a world full of humans.

The storyline shows the Adamites inter-acting with Pagans very early in Genesis and their sexual attraction for them... taking them as wives. Their offspring had souls. Biblically speaking this is how Cain could take a wife in the land of Nod.

This is why the Adamites and Hebrews and Israelites were always the minority in the Old Testament, biblically and historically.

rvmb · Dec 8, 2025

Chihuahua said:
As a Christian, I accept that God is the source of all things. My very existence is through Him. God did not "make" me. God gives me existence. God does not exist because who gives Him existence? He is existence. "I am" - Jesus got in a bit of trouble for that. All that can be imagined is known to God and He gave existence to what could be referred to as forms. God knows what a unicorn is, but they do not exist. Before Adam, He knew us and gave existence to us.

I believe that Genesis provides two different accounts in Chapter 1 and Chapter 2. The narrative, even the name of God is different. This is similar to the Gospels. Why not one Gospel? What the ancient world went after was meaning, not concrete facts. Genesis is true, but that is like asking if a painting is true. You can have a cold security camera video in high resolution. A photo by Anselm Adams. A portrait that captures what the artist perceives. Which is true?

In a short form, the Soviets erased God and meaning and focused on materialism. We see to this day in the folly of the opposite, denying science that provides cures.

When you turn the bible into a science book you do nothing for science or faith. Science tells us how to do something. Faith tells us why we do something. God wants us to know Him and He can be found in faith and science.

Our DNA has these 3 codes, I guess, that produce an amino acid for a protein chain. Looking at the graph below, many are redundant. You get Leucine if you have TTA, TTG, CTT, CTC, CTA, or CTG. What is interesting is that the closer organisms are phenotypically (look alike), the closer they are genetically. There is no reason for this if God just popped in life randomly. Different codes produce the same result and the more distant the organism, the more the codes vary even if they code for the same protein.

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Christian PhD Scientists Dr James Tour & Dr Stephen Meyer are my Biblical species adaption/dna etc goto.

James Tour - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Stephen C. Meyer

A former geophysicist and college professor, Stephen C. Meyer now directs Discovery Institute’s Center for Science and Culture in Seattle.

stephencmeyer.org

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Chihuahua · Dec 8, 2025

Grailhunter said:
Actually I believe in both.
The type of evolution over millions of years called intelligent design. Evolution caused by and guided by God.
Yahweh created Adam and Eve and when they stepped out into the world it was full of humans without souls.
It is these humans that were the descendants of monkeys. Their skin color was dark, Adam and Eve were pale white. When they joined their offspring had souls and had the general skin color of those today in the middle east and pale white skin color of the Jews today are from Adam and Eve. Adam and Eve stepped out of Eden around 6,000 years ago to a world full of humans.

The storyline shows the Adamites inter-acting with Pagans very early in Genesis and their sexual attraction for them....taking them as wives. Their offspring had souls. Biblically speaking this is how Cain could take a wife in the land of Nod.

This is why the Adamites and Hebrews and Israelites were always the minority in the Old Testament, biblically and historically.

The notion that God need to guide his own creation seems odd to me. That means it was imperfect.
The OT are true stories of meaning.

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