Extinct or not extinct, that is the question

Poppy · Dec 1, 2013

Ahh, yes. The good ole' question of whether or not dinosaurs still exist.

To me, the possibility of dinosaurs still inhabiting the earth is reasonable. I know many Christians say the reason for the lack of dinosaurs, is because the flood killed them off. I'm not condemning that reason because I don't entirely disagree with it.I question that answer only out of curiosity. I haven't seen any dinosaurs romping around in my neighborhood, so I don't any tangible evidence to provide. Unless fossils and artifacts count. With research it seems that, in fact, dinosaurs are inhabiting remote places. In New Guinea, there have been Pterodactyl sightings. And on multiple accounts, a tribe in Africa have witnessed a swamp dinosaur. Now I may be optimistic about this, but the evidence and Biblical reasons that Christian paleontologists have provided, makes so much sense to me! As a matter of fact, archaeologists have discovered ancient artifacts with paintings of dinosaurs and humans coexisting. Now I doubt after the flood those artifacts would be in as good of shape as they were found in. Sooo...the dinosaurs probably escaped the flood. Surely the Plesiosaurus did. It had the same percent chance of survival as a whale.

And whatever happened to the legend Behemoth(mentioned in Job) and the Leviathan(mentioned in Job, Psalm,Isaiah, etc..)???

Questions, questions, questions!

Fellow Christians, what is your take on the idea of dinosaurs still existing?

horsecamp · Dec 1, 2013

every time i look in the mirror im reminded that they still exist .wrinkles and all .

i dont however have much belief in what our modern day scientists say about them .
since they admit they never even scene one alive .

i do think however the vikings and chinese people knew more about these dragons
then our modern day scientist who call some of these animals -- dinasaurs , know ..

Arnie Manitoba · Dec 2, 2013

I think at one time Kent Hovind made a pretty good case for (smaller) dinosaurs still existing.

I think he is still in jail for not paying taxes but his son maybe kept the website going.

Dodo_David · Dec 2, 2013

If you are going to claim that "there have been Pterodactyl sightings", then you would do well to cite a source for such a claim, preferably a source that is a mainstream science journal or mainstream news source.

So far, the only reports about Pterodactyl sightings have been coming from blogs and private websites that promote a particular agenda.

The one exception that I found is a report from someone at the University of North Texas. Click here to read that report.

Arnie Manitoba · Dec 3, 2013

On second thought I think it was dragons Hovind claims are still around .... greatly reduced in size and in Africa or somewhere.

Rach1370 · Dec 7, 2013

The pessimistic side of me wants to say no...there is nothing 'wonderous' left in this world. But it's not my only side! Sometimes I wonder...whats living in the depths of the ocean? The deepest amazon? Do the occasional glimpses of savantism in people show us how the human brain was supposed to work without sin? Was that video everyone says is clearly a hoax really an angel?? The questions are just there!
But it doesn't really matter if these things are here on earth or not. The one sure thing we can cling to in our wonderings, is that every single wonder we can conceive of, and millions of ones we cannot, will be awaiting us in heaven. Sometimes it is very hard to wait!!

Poppy · Dec 8, 2013

Dodo_David said:
If you are going to claim that "there have been Pterodactyl sightings", then you would do well to cite a source for such a claim, preferably a source that is a mainstream science journal or mainstream news source.

So far, the only reports about Pterodactyl sightings have been coming from blogs and private websites that promote a particular agenda.

The one exception that I found is a report from someone at the University of North Texas. Click here to read that report.

Well I can't really cite the source. I watched the documentary on the History Channel long ago.

(And no I do not believe everything I watch or am told.)

Arnie Manitoba said:
On second thought I think it was dragons Hovind claims are still around .... greatly reduced in size and in Africa or somewhere.

You are right on both posts. He did say dinosaurs/dragons are alive. The word dinosaurs wasn't invented until the late 1800s. Before the word was invented, the beasts were called dragons.

I actually saw a video of his take on dinosaurs still being alive. I thoroughly enjoyed and think he did a wonderful job at explaining. He was the one who sparked my interests in dinosaurs.

Rach said:
The pessimistic side of me wants to say no...there is nothing 'wonderous' left in this world. But it's not my only side! Sometimes I wonder...whats living in the depths of the ocean? The deepest amazon? Do the occasional glimpses of savantism in people show us how the human brain was supposed to work without sin? Was that video everyone says is clearly a hoax really an angel?? The questions are just there!
But it doesn't really matter if these things are here on earth or not. The one sure thing we can cling to in our wonderings, is that every single wonder we can conceive of, and millions of ones we cannot, will be awaiting us in heaven. Sometimes it is very hard to wait!!

Agreed!

aspen · Dec 9, 2013

Alligators are donisuars and so are birds. I think we fail to recognize what is familiar.

Suhar · Dec 12, 2013

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R6GiNQvugn0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QmC4dwCcsUs

veteran · Dec 21, 2013

Poppy said:
Ahh, yes. The good ole' question of whether or not dinosaurs still exist.

To me, the possibility of dinosaurs still inhabiting the earth is reasonable. I know many Christians say the reason for the lack of dinosaurs, is because the flood killed them off. I'm not condemning that reason because I don't entirely disagree with it.I question that answer only out of curiosity. I haven't seen any dinosaurs romping around in my neighborhood, so I don't any tangible evidence to provide. Unless fossils and artifacts count. With research it seems that, in fact, dinosaurs are inhabiting remote places. In New Guinea, there have been Pterodactyl sightings. And on multiple accounts, a tribe in Africa have witnessed a swamp dinosaur. Now I may be optimistic about this, but the evidence and Biblical reasons that Christian paleontologists have provided, makes so much sense to me! As a matter of fact, archaeologists have discovered ancient artifacts with paintings of dinosaurs and humans coexisting. Now I doubt after the flood those artifacts would be in as good of shape as they were found in. Sooo...the dinosaurs probably escaped the flood. Surely the Plesiosaurus did. It had the same percent chance of survival as a whale.

And whatever happened to the legend Behemoth(mentioned in Job) and the Leviathan(mentioned in Job, Psalm,Isaiah, etc..)???

Questions, questions, questions!

Fellow Christians, what is your take on the idea of dinosaurs still existing?

I think if dinosaurs still existed today flocks of scientists would be right on top of it and it would be international news. Suggestions that they exist just doesn't match the reality of today.

There have been perfect human arched footprints fossilized within and on top of dinosaur footprints, which reveals both were made at the same time, yet no human remains have ever been found existing with dinosaur remains. Does that mean to just go ahead create a non-existing link between humans and dinosaurs? No, I don't think so.

Although many still heed the traditional interpretation of Genesis 1, some of us believers on Christ as deeper Bible students know different.

God's Word defines 3 different earth ages of time (like 2 Peter 3). When most think Peter's "the world that then was" is put for the time prior to the flood of Noah back to Adam, it's really about the ancient earth in the waters at Genesis 1:2 forward.

In the beginning God created a Perfect earth and heavens. Something then later happened to cause Him to destroy the earth's surface at the time of the dinosaurs and then begin this present second earth age from Adam to now. The geological fossil record agrees with that (as with this event in Jeremiahs 4:23-28).

The explanation for perfect human arch footprints existing with dinosaurs footprints points to an angelic existence upon this ancient earth in that time before God brought an end of it. We know per Ezekiel 28 & 31 and Rev.12:3-4 that Satan was originally created pefect in his ways by God, and then Satan later rebelled drawing a third of the angels into rebellion with him. Revelation 12:3-4 even mentions a beast kingdom of old in that time that had ten horns, seven heads, but only seven crowns. Thus God's destruction of that prior earth age points to the time of Satan's original rebellion against Him.

But when one takes the traditional route of interpretation of Genesis 1, all sorts of disagreements begin appearing with the actual fossil evidence that God left from that old world prior to Adam and Even. The fossil record even reveals that the earth's poles were once a tropical paradise, and even some of today's desert areas like the Putrified Forest of fossilized palm trees in New Mexico.

Dodo_David · Dec 21, 2013

Back during the late 1980s, the late Dr. Walter Martin stated that those alleged "human footprints" beside dinosaur tracks were not human at all.

Dr. Martin said so on his The Bible Answer-man radio program.

day · Dec 21, 2013

aspen said:
Alligators are donisuars and so are birds. I think we fail to recognize what is familiar.

Agreed. I have often thought that the smaller dinosaurs, those with small front legs look like flightless birds.

I read somewhere that the reason the large dinosaurs were not directed to get on the ark is because God knew that they could not survive in the lower oxygen and atmospheric pressure that existed after the flood. Their lung volume to body mass ratio was too low.

In Gen 1:6-8 it says "And God said, "Let there be an expanse in the midst of the waters, and let it separate the waters from the waters." And God made the expanse and separated the waters that were under the expanse from the waters that were above the expanse. And it was so. And God called the expanse Heaven. And there was evening and there was morning, the second day.

I have understood these "waters above the heaven" to be a clear water "bubble" that encircled the earth as a type of protective cover. It increased atmospheric pressure, maintained a rich oxygen atmosphere and kept temperatures constant from equator to poles. It also protected from solar radiation damage. At the flood this water bubble collapsed onto the earth (enabling 40 days of rain to cover mountains in water) leaving the earth unprotected. The runoff stripped the soil of necessary salts and formed the oceans, decreasing soil fertility. The solar wind striped away much of the atmosphere and oxygen and the radiation caused damage to cells decreasing lifetimes. Its loss, plus the runoff that created the oceans also caused weather conditions like blizzards, and hurricanes to form which had not existed before.

Just a thought picked up from something I heard or read in the past.

williemac · Dec 23, 2013

day said:
Agreed. I have often thought that the smaller dinosaurs, those with small front legs look like flightless birds.

I read somewhere that the reason the large dinosaurs were not directed to get on the ark is because God knew that they could not survive in the lower oxygen and atmospheric pressure that existed after the flood. Their lung volume to body mass ratio was too low.

In Gen 1:6-8 it says "And God said, "Let there be an expanse in the midst of the waters, and let it separate the waters from the waters." And God made the expanse and separated the waters that were under the expanse from the waters that were above the expanse. And it was so. And God called the expanse Heaven. And there was evening and there was morning, the second day.

I have understood these "waters above the heaven" to be a clear water "bubble" that encircled the earth as a type of protective cover. It increased atmospheric pressure, maintained a rich oxygen atmosphere and kept temperatures constant from equator to poles. It also protected from solar radiation damage. At the flood this water bubble collapsed onto the earth (enabling 40 days of rain to cover mountains in water) leaving the earth unprotected. The runoff stripped the soil of necessary salts and formed the oceans, decreasing soil fertility. The solar wind striped away much of the atmosphere and oxygen and the radiation caused damage to cells decreasing lifetimes. Its loss, plus the runoff that created the oceans also caused weather conditions like blizzards, and hurricanes to form which had not existed before.

Just a thought picked up from something I heard or read in the past.

Great reply. Just a thought. Who said that if a dinosaur was on the ark that it had to be a full grown adult? As well, many lizards do not stop growing in their lifetime. Give them enough time and the right environment and who knows how big they would get. Maybe dinosaurs still walk among us. ^_^

I do find it amusing that science correctly states that fossils are created through sudden death and rapid burial, but curiously the connection to a great flood is not vocalized (they can't tell me they never thought of it).

Arnie Manitoba · Dec 23, 2013

williemac said:
I do find it amusing that science correctly states that fossils are created through sudden death and rapid burial, but curiously the connection to a great flood is not vocalized (they can't tell me they never thought of it).

AMEN !!!!

I find it "cute" when the staunch evolutionist dances around flood theory

It is like they are terrified of even considering Noah's flood .

I always rib them about it

horsecamp · Dec 23, 2013

Dodo_David said:
Back during the late 1980s, the late Dr. Walter Martin stated that those alleged "human footprints" beside dinosaur tracks were not human at all.

Dr. Martin said so on his The Bible Answer-man radio program.

How mean ive just always have had a bad case of hammer toes but i assure him im human just a real old dude

Suhar · Dec 24, 2013

Back during the late 1980s, the late Dr. Walter Martin stated that those alleged "human footprints" beside dinosaur tracks were not human at all.

Dr. Martin said so on his The Bible Answer-man radio program.

Why listen to some doctor and not go and place your foot into a footprint that fits perfectly?

Scientists are people too. They have mortgages and bills. They have to say what people with money want them to say. Truth is free, lie has price tag in more then one way.

Dr. Martin had a degree in philosophy. What does he know about footprints? He had to take a word of some scientist from somewhere paid by somebody.
Foot prints are after minute 23

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dWe3cteDuBc

veteran · Dec 25, 2013

Dodo_David said:
Back during the late 1980s, the late Dr. Walter Martin stated that those alleged "human footprints" beside dinosaur tracks were not human at all.

Dr. Martin said so on his The Bible Answer-man radio program.

That's not what archaeologists have said, even though they themselves have a difficult time believing their existence back to that time. The human footprints appear as those that would be made by a young man or boy, not like evolution's early caveman theories.

day said:
Agreed. I have often thought that the smaller dinosaurs, those with small front legs look like flightless birds.

I read somewhere that the reason the large dinosaurs were not directed to get on the ark is because God knew that they could not survive in the lower oxygen and atmospheric pressure that existed after the flood. Their lung volume to body mass ratio was too low.

In Gen 1:6-8 it says "And God said, "Let there be an expanse in the midst of the waters, and let it separate the waters from the waters." And God made the expanse and separated the waters that were under the expanse from the waters that were above the expanse. And it was so. And God called the expanse Heaven. And there was evening and there was morning, the second day.

I have understood these "waters above the heaven" to be a clear water "bubble" that encircled the earth as a type of protective cover. It increased atmospheric pressure, maintained a rich oxygen atmosphere and kept temperatures constant from equator to poles. It also protected from solar radiation damage. At the flood this water bubble collapsed onto the earth (enabling 40 days of rain to cover mountains in water) leaving the earth unprotected. The runoff stripped the soil of necessary salts and formed the oceans, decreasing soil fertility. The solar wind striped away much of the atmosphere and oxygen and the radiation caused damage to cells decreasing lifetimes. Its loss, plus the runoff that created the oceans also caused weather conditions like blizzards, and hurricanes to form which had not existed before.

Just a thought picked up from something I heard or read in the past.

One go to the Smithsonian, or to dinosaur museums in places out west like Colorado and clearly see the difference between the giant skeletons of huge extinct dinosaurs and know they have nothing to do with alligators.

Suhar said:
Why listen to some doctor and not go and place your foot into a footprint that fits perfectly?

Scientists are people too. They have mortgages and bills. They have to say what people with money want them to say. Truth is free, lie has price tag in more then one way.

Dr. Martin had a degree in philosophy. What does he know about footprints? He had to take a word of some scientist from somewhere paid by somebody.

Excellent video, and presentation of the real evidence by Dr. Patton. Thanks for that.

Problems exist still:

1. the depth of Dr. Patton's research on those footprints show beyond a doubt the human 'footprints' existed with the time of the dinosuars.

2. what Dr. Patton hasn't covered though, is the same kind of proof of human 'remains' existing to the time of dinosaurs. It is this especially why the evolutionists he mentions still reject that footprint evidence Pattons outlays.

3. there is no fossil evidence of human 'remains' existing with the time of the dinosaurs. If there were Dr. Patton would easily be all over it, offering that as greater proof for the footprint link.

Each of these two schools, the New Creationism of Patton, and the evolution of the Harvard-Oxford schools, represent 2 'extremes'. One disregards the footprint evidence while the other disregards the timing and character of the footprint evidence.

God's Word in-depth cures the error of both perspectives, while perfectly fitting with the actual fossil record evidence.

God made an original perfect creation in the beginning, and that was when He created the heavens and the earth perfect, and when the dinosaurs walked upon the earth. Then He destroyed that time on earth with a trembling and a flood, a flood even before He created the man Adam. That destruction is what the gap in the fossil record shows between the time of dinosaurs and creation of our present world time from Adam.

The human footprints made back to the time of dinosaurs was prior... to God's first destruction of the earth's surface. No flesh human fossil remains have ever been found linked with that early world. Per His Word we well know that in His future Kingdom those of us worthy to see it will not remember this present world, and nor will we have the same bodies of flesh that we now have. According to Apostle Paul in 1 Cor.15, we will be changed to the "spiritual body" type, a body that doesn't get sick, nor old, doesn't feel hot or cold, and never dies, i.e., an eternal type body. It will look and operate like our flesh body, will eat food from the earth, and WALK... upon the earth.

Will that future "spiritual body" leave footprints upon the earth? If it is capable of eating earthly food, just as even the angels of Genesis 18 did when Abraham served them, then no doubt yes, it will leave footprints upon the earth.

Thus in my Bible opinion, the footprints Dr. Patton reveals were not made by flesh man, but by angelic man, and in the world prior to Adam and Eve.

The problem many have with this is with the fleshy thinking, wrongly thinking that our eternal existence depends upon flesh when it does not. It also depends on thinking that the flesh body of this present world is going to be the same body of God's future Eternal Kingdom of the new heavens and a new earth. Apostle John expressed his understanding that things are going to be different in that future time when he said that 'now we are the sons of God, but it does not yet appear what we shall be, but we know that when He shall appear, we shall be like Him, for we shall see Him as He is' (1 John 3:2).

If it is not that difficult to understand these things of God's future Eternity of the new heavens and a new earth, then why would it be so difficult to understand about those fossil footprints back to the time of the dinosaurs? This is in reality what Apostle Peter was talking about in 2 Pet.3 with 3 different world times...

1. "the world that then was" = time of dinosuars, God's original perfect creation of Genesis 1:1, prior to Satan's rebellion, prior to Genesis 1:2
2. GOD'S DESTRUCTION OF THAT OLD WORLD
3. "the heavens and the earth, which are now" = time from Genesis 1:2 to today
4. "new heavens and a new earth" = God's future Eternity

Suhar · Dec 25, 2013

3. there is no fossil evidence of human 'remains' existing with the time of the dinosaurs. If there were Dr. Patton would easily be all over it, offering that as greater proof for the footprint link.

You did not actually watch the video you called "excellent"? Watch from minute 18.

veteran · Dec 27, 2013

Suhar said:
You did not actually watch the video you called "excellent"? Watch from minute 18.

You're right, I only watched from the subject of the footprints forward. First I ever heard about human skeltons found at Glenrose along with time of dinosaurs, or anywhere for that matter.

Suhar · Dec 30, 2013

You're right, I only watched from the subject of the footprints forward. First I ever heard about human skeltons found at Glenrose along with time of dinosaurs, or anywhere for that matter.

Human remains were found in coal:

https://www.forbiddenhistory.info/?q=node/54

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