A debate thread.

(ps77;22268)
(thesuperjag;22239)
Pharisees and Sudacees are aiming towards the Kenites. (sons of Cain) Satan has sex with Eve.Jag
Wait what? What's this about satan and eve?Satan wholly seduce and gave birth to Cain. (Genesis 3:13, II Corinthians 11:3)To confirm it is Genesis 3:15Satan's son is CainAdam's son is Abel.The Kenites (sons of Cain) are still here today.Jag

(thesuperjag;22239)
Satan has sex with Eve.Jag
YIKES! With all due respect, you're totally gone beyond what is written. I read the verses you refrenced and none of them say that Satan had sex with Eve and Cain is their 1/2 human, 1/2 demon offspring.

(peacebewithyou;22288)
(thesuperjag;22239)
Satan has sex with Eve.Jag
YIKES! With all due respect, you're totally gone beyond what is written. I read the verses you refrenced and none of them say that Satan had sex with Eve and Cain is their 1/2 human, 1/2 demon offspring.No not really. Satan is a fallen angel, not a person with a "Red Suit, and a tail with a Pitchfork"Fallen Angels (sons of God) had sex with daughters of men (humans), took them wives and so...(Genesis 6:2)And angels are men like us. (Genesis 19:1, ... Genesis 19:10, ... Genesis 19:12,) for we are made in the image of the angels. Jag

(thesuperjag;22289)
No not really. Satan is a fallen angel, not a person with a "Red Suit, and a tail with a Pitchfork"Fallen Angels (sons of God) had sex with daughters of men (humans), took them wives and so...(Genesis 6:2)And angels are men like us. (Genesis 19:1, ... Genesis 19:10, ... Genesis 19:12,) for we are made in the image of the angels. Jag
But when it says Eve was "deceived" how can you conclude that means she had sex with Satan?

And also, didn't the Bible say we were made in the image of God, not the image of angels?how have you concluded that son of God parallels a demon? Angels in the Bible have manifested themselves to humans as in the likeness of a human, but they aren't men like us. They are not mortal. They took on the form of a man.I'm actually really surprised that you believe this stuff Jag. Honestly though, I am.

Well you best get prepared then because Angels mated with men before the floodAnd their offspring resulted in Giants, it was the reason for the flood Noah means pure his bloodline wasnt corrupted by these fallen angels mating with the daughters of men.Then there was a second smaller influx of these angels mating with Women its where we got Goliath and what Joshua's spies reported it took to men to carry one cluster of grapes. And it is what is said will happen again when it says it will be like it was in the days of Noah and they were giving and taking in marriage who were they marring? the fallen angels. The same ones that Rev. says will get kicked to earth with Devil in Rev.you might want do some reading on who the Nephelium are

(kriss;22349)
Well you best get prepared then because Angels mated with men before the floodAnd their offspring resulted in Giants, it was the reason for the flood Noah means pure his bloodline wasnt corrupted by these fallen angels mating with the daughters of men.Then there was a second smaller influx of these angels mating with Women its where we got Goliath and what Joshua's spies reported it took to men to carry one cluster of grapes. And it is what is said will happen again when it says it will be like it was in the days of Noah and they were giving and taking in marriage who were they marring? the fallen angels. The same ones that Rev. says will get kicked to earth with Devil in Rev.
All true, and supported in scripture. But we're taking a giant leap if we say that Eve had sex with Satan which resulted in Cain. THAT is not clearly stated in scripture. Again - "deceived" is not the same as having sex with.

The Hebrew says to be "Wholly Seduced" body mind and spirit also trees (as tree of Good and Evil) are often men in scripture a Snake can not walk and talk. Satan is a fallen angel if this is happened with other fallen angels and women why is Satan any different his goal was to defile the bloodline of which Christ would come through. It was not their mouth or head they covered with fig leaves.Also there is historical evidence that Cain was a giant (see Sargon the Magnificent link in Entertain thread) http://www.christianityboard.com/sargon-aka-cain-t4046.htmlAlso you will find the Kenites mentioned throughout scripture the word kenite in Hebrew means "descendant of Cain". they were those who invaded the Sadducees and Pharisee's that had Christ crucifiedAt the very least Cain was fully adopted by Satan

Can you believe that in the christian bible states that '' The Lord '' had A counselor and was taught . Of course the average christian would try to justify it . But says it according to your own bible in Isaiah 40;13 And I Quote ; Who hath directed the spirit of the lord , Or being ( His Counselor Hath Taught Him ? ) With whom took he counse ! And who instructed him , And taught him in the path of judgement , And taught him knowledge , And shewed to him the way of UnderStanding ? The following is a clipping from the plain truth magazine according to them there are Alot of contradiction in the bible = the book of the dead . There are claimed contradiction that theologians have not resolved to every Atheists Satisfaction . There are texual difficulties with which scholars are still wrestling with , ( 1 ) . While in Genesis , in chapter 5 & 11 mention 19 generation between Adam and Abraham , Luke adds one more . ( 2 ) . According to 2samuel 24;1 , God provoked David to take A census of Israel . However according to 1Chronicles 21;1 The one who provoke David was Satan not God . ( 3 ) . According to 2Kings 24;8 Jehoiacin was eighteen years old when he became King , But according to 2Chronicles he was only Eight years old . ( 4 ) . According to 1Chronicles 8;36 Ahaz was the father of Jehoaddah , But in the following Chapter . 9;42 Ahaz was the father of Jarah . ( 5 ) . According to Exodus 24;10 the elder of Israel saw the Godof Israel ; However , John 1;15 claims that no man has seen God at any time ; The only begotten Son which is the bosom of the father , He declared him . John's Enthuisiasm to makeJesus an incarnated God makehim contradict the old testament . It isinteresting that the new revised version of King James tries to save John by inserting the magic word '' Actually '' Into the verse and I Quote '' No One Has Actually Seed God ... ( 6 ) According to your biblewhere it states in Mark 3;29 There is an unpardononable sin however , according to Acts 13;9 There is not an unpardonable sin . ( 7 ) . According to Genesis 1;25,26.27 Man was created after theother animals and according to Genesis 2;18,19 Man was created before theother animals , ( 8 ) . According to Genesis 8;22 seed time andharvest never ceased and according to Genesis 41;54 / Genesis 45;6 Seed time and harvest did ceased for seven years . ( 9 ) . According to Exodus 4;21 / Exodus 9;12 God hardened thepharaoh's heart however , According to Exodus 8;15 , The Pharoah hardened his own heart . ( 10 ) . According to Exodus 9;,3,6 All the cattle and horses in Egypt died but , if you look in Exodus 14;9 , all thecattle and horse of Egypt did not die . ( 11 ) . Moses feared the pharaoh according to Exodus 2 didnot fear pharaoh but Hebrew 11;27 has it as hedid fear the pharoah . ( 12 ) . 1Cor 10;8 states that the plaquekilled 23,000 yet , Num 25;9 has it that the plaquekilled 24,000 . ( 13 ) . John the Baptist was Elias according to Matthew 11;14 But you got based on John's recording in John 1;21 John the Baptist was not Elias ( 14 ) According to Matthew 1;16 The father of Joseph , Mary's husband was Heli However , In Luke 3;23 It States that The Father Of Mary's Husband was Heli . ( 15 ) . Matthew 1;17 Speak of how there were fourteen generation from Abraham to Daivd ,But when you look in Matthew 1;2-6 it speaks of how There were but thirteen generation from Abraham to David Matt 1;2-6. ( 16 ) According to Matt 2;14,15,19,21,23 The infant christ was taken into Egypt but in Luke 2;22,39 The infant christ was not taken into Egypt ( 17 ) . According to 2Sam 24;9 Joan reported the numver of fighting men '' Eight Hundred Thousand In Israel , '' And Five hundred thousand in Judah , But the same repot according to Chronicles 21;5 , '' One million one hundred thousand in Israel and '' Four hundre andseventy thousand in Judah . ( 18 ) . According To 2Kings 8;26 '' Ahaziah Was Twenty - Two Years old when he became King , '' But According to 2Chron 22;2 He was '' Fourty -two years old when he became King . Obviously the latter one is wrong sine Ahaziah'a father was in his 40's When he died ( 2Chro 21;5 ) According to the Chro 22;2 He was two years older than his father when he became king after his father's death . ( 19 ) . According to 2Sam 6;23 '' Michal daughter of Saul had no children to the day of her death . '' However . In 2Sam 21;8 We see Michal had borne five son . Some revised versions tried to get rid of the contradiction by changeing the name of Michal to Merab . Unceremoniously ! You may findthe trace of this in footnote . ( 20 ) . According to Genesis 6;3 , Man can have A maximun of '' A Hundred And Twenty Years '' Life Span . However In Genesis 9;29 We learn that Noah lived 950 years , Andin Genesis 11;13 Arpaxad lived 403 years . :study:

Luke says the most high doesn't dwell in templesmade with heands Acts 7;48 Then he say '' God '' who dwell in his chose temples 11chro 7;12,16.. The lord ( knows ) the hearts of all men Acts 1;24 The lord ( test you to find out ) what is in your hearts Deut 13;3 Sell all you have and give Alms ( meaning ;sell all you belongings and give the money to him Luke12;33 Build you family Proverbs 13;22 Importunity ( persistance ) in prayer commende Luke 11;8 , 18;5,7. Repetitious prayers are condemned Matt 6;7-8 Hate you family in order to be disciple oF Ja-Zeus = Jesus Luke 14;26 Love One Another As Ja-Zeus = Jesus commanded 1John 3;23 . Women are in subjection to their husbans . 1Peter 3;1 . 1Corin 14;34 Woman Can Prophesy Acts 2;18 , 21;19 .. If you break thelaw or disobey the holy spirit you are A sinner Mark 3;29 All that believe have sins of the laws of Moses taken away Acts 13;39 . More than three women came to the sepulcher . Luke 24;10 Just three women came to the sepulcher says Mark . Mark 16;1 .. Two men stood by the sepulcher says Luke . Luke 24;4 Only one man sat beside the sepulcher says Matt 28;1-3 .. Luke said that Salah was The son Cainan Luke 3;35,36 Salah was The son of Arphaxad Gen 11;12 The infant christ was not taken into Egypt Luke 2;22,39 The infant christ was taken into Egypt Matt 2;14-15,19,21,23Christ's first sermons were on the plain Luke 6;17,20 Christ preach his first sermon on the mount Matt 5;1.2 Luke says that it was one blind man who approached Ja-Zeus = Jesus Luke 18;35,38 , Matt reports two blind men approached Ja-Zeus = Jesus Matt 20;30 Holy ghost bestowed the day of pentecost Acts 1;8 , 2;14 Holy ghost bestowed before pentecost John 20;22 Luke says the disciples were instructed to go to Jerusalen and stay there Luke 24;49 The disciples were commanded to go to Galilee immediately after the resurrection Matt 28;10 After the suposssed crucifixion and resurrection of Jesus , Luke say that : Jesus first appeared in Jerusalem to The eleven disciples Matt 28;16 After the supposed crucifixion and resurrection of Jesus , Matthew says Jesus first appeared to the eleven disciple in Galilean on A mountain . Luke 24;33,36,37 . Christ mission was one of peace only Luke 2;13-14 Not so say Matthew . Matt 10;34 ..Luke andhis friend Thee Anti - Christ Paul said the promised land never belonged to anyone Acts 7;5 , Hebrew 11;9.13 Abraham's seed did receive the promised land Gen13;14-15,17, 17;8 .. A good name is A curse says Luke . Luke 6;26 A good name is A blessing Ecc7;1 , Proverbs 22;1 Abraham bought land for sepulcher Acts 7;16 , Jacob Purchased it says Joshua . Joshua 24; 32:study:

Your first example can absolutely be thrown out of the water. It is a question. It is not a statement. In other words, no one had to teach Him. It's a rhetorical question. Yes, Christians who have studied the Bible for years have seen these details that are discrepancies. We also know that where there are human witnesses that give accounts, there are varying stories. Does this take away from the holiness of God's scripture? Absolutely not. To me it makes it all the more precious that He would allow us to have a part in writing down His holy thoughts, plans, desires, and entrust us with such a great salvation! The main theme throughout the Bible isn't impaired in any way. God loves us. He had a plan to save us. Jesus came to save us by dying on the cross as a payment for our sins. We can be saved by calling on His name and believing in Him and repenting of our sins, becoming a new creation in Christ. We are promised by Christ a home in heaven. If you want to see the real love of Christ and God, look at the cross. That's enough for me.

Oh, and I forgot to address something you said, ps77. I read a great book called "Reese Howells:Intercessor" about a missionary who had a very intimate walk with Christ. People asked him all of the time how he knew if it was the Lord who was talking to him. His answer was one I really liked and have never forgotten it. He would say, "How do you know the voice of your mother? How do you know the voice of your father? You know them because they are familiar to you. Christ should be just the same. You know someone you spend time with." My mom told me that usually she has found when she is praying about something, it's the first thing that pops into her head that is the right answer. She then will sometimes question it as if to say,"Holy Spirit, did I really hear you?" Then when she thinks on it and compares it to God's Word, it is the right thing. Be assured He speaks and when He does, if you are familiar with His Word, you will know it is Him. You can't possibly be assured of His voice if you don't know Him first. Get to know Him by spending time with Him every day. I'm not saying you don't because I don't know you. I have just found this to be true in my own life. We usually know more of the right things to do than we acually are willing to do. The Lord usually answers in one of 3 ways,"Yes, no, or wait" when we ask for a request. He is patient and asks us to be. This is one of the hardest things to do- be patient and let Him work out the details. We must not sit idly by though. We must be about what He has called us to do in obedience. It's a day by day, moment by moment walk; not a sprint; not a run; not a sit; it's a walk because it requires consistency.Never, never , never give up. keep on walking. We're walking with you.

thesuperjag: God clearly does not lie. Yep, because if He says it, it is the truth. What is truth, reality. What is reality, what you run into when wrong!

(bytheway;36288)
thesuperjag: God clearly does not lie. Yep, because if He says it, it is the truth. What is truth, reality. What is reality, what you run into when wrong!
And people who spake reality (Truth) most often gets accused of people who spake fantasy (Lies), It's clear that some people rather stick with fantasy thinking rather then reality...JagLovest thou in Christ Yahshua, Lord and Saviour of the world.

(Ricky W;21791)
A'udzubillaahiminasysyaithonirrojiimBismillaahirrohmaanirrohiimDear Kriss, can you explain this 2 verses ?"And yet indeed she is my sister; she is the daughter of my father, but not the daughter of my mother; and she became my wife. (Genesis 20:12)""Cursed be he that lieth with his sister, the daughter of his father, or the daughter of his mother. And all the people shall say, Amen. (Deuteronomy 27:22)"Thank you for your explaination.Wallahu a'lam.
[quote name='"Ricky W;21791]A'udzubillaahiminasysyaithonirrojiimBismillaahirrohmaanirrohiimDear Kriss' date=' can you explain this 2 verses ?"And yet indeed she is my sister; [b']she is the daughter of my father[/b], but not the daughter of my mother; and she became my wife. (Genesis 20:12)""Cursed be he that lieth with his sister, the daughter of his father, or the daughter of his mother. And all the people shall say, Amen. (Deuteronomy 27:22)"Thank you for your explaination.The first place is talking about Sarah and Abraham. Tell me when did that become a law?I wonder who did children of Adam and Eve marry?They married each other. There was no law against that.The second place that you are showing is the law now being given to man. Now a person will be cursed if he does that. Back then there was no law against it.Abraham and Sarah were brother and sister from two different mothers but from one dad. Same as having more than one wife was not a crime back then. Even David had more than one.So Abraham's dad had more than one wife. From one of his wife's Abraham came and from another one's of his wife Sarah came. God did not forbid marrying then from the family or relatives or close tree.Otherwise who would Adam's and Eve's children marry? They all belong to one dad and one mom . The law came later, from Moses as we read. Not from Abraham. (John 1:17)Bible will never contradict itself. If we do not understand it, it does not mean it contradicts itself.One thing I also strongly believe in that ALMIGHTY GOD preserved his WORD throughout the Ages, even though people started changing them lately. It is still preserved. We believe in the WORD of God. Not in the letter. What you see in the Bible is a lot a lot of letters and words that will kill you (Think about it, the 10 commandments were law and people who would not follow them would be killed). But if we read with faith and see Jesus in it. It will bring LIFE . Be blessed! God Bless!