Lord! Lord!

  • Welcome to Christian Forums, a Christian Forum that recognizes that all Christians are a work in progress.

    You will need to register to be able to join in fellowship with Christians all over the world.

    We hope to see you as a part of our community soon and God Bless!

ajdiamond

New Member
Aug 18, 2011
96
15
0
Minnesota
The professor says, What a curious intellectual exercise!
Paradise awaits me and I am comfy--
I keep an afterlife coupon in a leaden tiara
I wear upon my head--
But what of the others!!
Let's jabber a spiel and guess
Who knows Whom.
--------
It's interesting how many posts on this forum are about the kingdom.
(It was the primary message of Jesus, so I suppose it merits a little chitchat from time to time)
It's almost as if Someone or Something inspires the discussion....Why for?
To add to the dry husks of conceptual doctrine?
or to gently correct our understanding and lead us in the Way? Who knows.
--------
There was a man from Detroit who sought to enter a doctrinal program at the University of Paris. He concerned himself with transcripts and applications and visas and immigration and references and living quarters and many other things. Does this interest us? Probably not, unless we too seek to enter the University of Paris. Likewise, fret not about entering the kingdom of heaven unless you are attempting to enter therein; here, now, while you yet draw Breath.
--------
The Dawning: The kingdom of heaven is within you. Start there.
Stay there until you feel the warmth of the sun in your forehead.
--------
The kingdom of heaven,
the realm of God
is within thy being.
At the centre.
You must go alone.
Leave behind
egoic consciousness.
Go within thy closet.
Close the door to the senses.
Be still.

There is Silence.

And a knock...
And a still, small voice....
And a communion.....
And a purity...
And then a Will.
-------
How is it that the kingdom is within me?
Offspring, It is because of what we are!

God is Light
Jesus: I am the Light of the world.
Jesus: You are the Light of the world.

Without the beam in our eye,
We can see and know what we are:
Beams of the One Light
-------
 

guysmith

New Member
Nov 12, 2007
459
3
0
73
Miami, FL
Shalom Retrobyter,

How do you explain the parable of the sower w/the two that receive the word yet they fall away?

The seed falling on rocky ground refers to someone who hears the word and at once receives it with joy. 21 But since they have no root, they last only a short time. When trouble or persecution comes because of the word, they quickly fall away. 22 The seed falling among the thorns refers to someone who hears the word, but the worries of this life and the deceitfulness of wealth choke the word, making it unfruitful.

All received the word. Of the three it appears that the only one (of the four) that was saved is the one that produces fruit. This to me implies that for one to be saved:

1. One must receive the word
2. One must produce fruit after receiving the word

In Christ,
Guy
 

Retrobyter

Well-Known Member
Oct 29, 2011
1,783
45
48
66
Tampa Bay, Florida
Faith
Christian
Country
United States
Shalom, Guy.

guysmith said:
Shalom Retrobyter,

How do you explain the parable of the sower w/the two that receive the word yet they fall away?

The seed falling on rocky ground refers to someone who hears the word and at once receives it with joy. 21 But since they have no root, they last only a short time. When trouble or persecution comes because of the word, they quickly fall away. 22 The seed falling among the thorns refers to someone who hears the word, but the worries of this life and the deceitfulness of wealth choke the word, making it unfruitful.

All received the word. Of the three it appears that the only one (of the four) that was saved is the one that produces fruit. This to me implies that for one to be saved:

1. One must receive the word
2. One must produce fruit after receiving the word

In Christ,
Guy
Well, first of all, this is talking about the message of the Kingdom, not about the justification of human beings by God.

This word of the Kingdom or message about the Kingdom is the same gospel of (or good news about) the Kingdom that Yochanan and Yeshua` heralded during His offer of the Kingdom to Isra'el. Therefore, it's an ENTIRELY different subject than what is commonly "preached" today.

The good news about the Kingdom was well understood by every Hebrew Yeshua` encountered during His human "ministry" in offering that Kingdom:

Isaiah 52:7
7 How beautiful upon the mountains are the feet of him that bringeth good tidings, that publisheth peace; that bringeth good tidings of good, that publisheth salvation (rescue); that saith unto Zion, Thy God reigneth!
KJV


They read this at least once a year, EVERY year, in their reading of the Torah and the Haftarah portion accompanying that reading for Parshat Shoftiym. This coming year, it will be read again by every observant Jew on August 29 and 30, 2014.

It is PRECISELY what every Hebrew was anticipating, however flawed his or her view of what was to come when expecting the Messiah. Neither Yochanan nor Yeshua` tried to correct what they were believing. They merely ENHANCED it and AUGMENTED it! Yeshua` Himself said,

Mark 1:14-15
14 Now after that John was put in prison, Jesus came into Galilee, preaching the gospel of the kingdom of God,
15 And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.
KJV

So, when Yeshua` taught about the Kingdom in the parables recorded in Matthew 13, He was talking about that SAME KINGDOM that (1) God originally ruled, (2) God gave to David to rule, (3) God promised to David and David's seed after him to rule, and (4) Yeshua` (as David's heir) would rule!

So, now look at the parable with renewed eyesight:

Matthew 13:1-23
1 The same day went Jesus out of the house, and sat by the sea side.
2 And great multitudes were gathered together unto him, so that he went into a ship, and sat; and the whole multitude stood on the shore.
3 And he spake many things unto them in parables, saying,
Behold, a sower went forth to sow;
4 And when he sowed, some seeds fell by the way side, and the fowls came and devoured them up:
5 Some fell upon stony places, where they had not much earth: and forthwith they sprung up, because they had no deepness of earth:
6 And when the sun was up, they were scorched; and because they had no root, they withered away.
7 And some fell among thorns; and the thorns sprung up, and choked them:
8 But other fell into good ground, and brought forth fruit, some an hundredfold, some sixtyfold, some thirtyfold.
9 Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.

10 And the disciples came, and said unto him, Why speakest thou unto them in parables?
11 He answered and said unto them,
Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of (the secrets about) the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given.
12 For whosoever hath, to him shall be given, and he shall have more abundance: but whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken away even that he hath.
13 Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand.
14 And in them is fulfilled the prophecy of Esaias, which saith, By hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and shall not perceive:
15 For this people's heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.

16 But blessed are your eyes, for they see: and your ears, for they hear.
17 For verily I say unto you, That many prophets and righteous men have desired to see those things which ye see, and have not seen them; and to hear those things which ye hear, and have not heard them.
18 Hear ye therefore the parable of the sower.
19 When any one heareth the word of the kingdom, and understandeth it not, then cometh the wicked one, and catcheth away that which was sown in his heart. This is he which received seed by the way side.
20 But he that received the seed into stony places, the same is he that heareth the word, and anon (at once, immediately) with joy receiveth it;
21 Yet hath he not root in himself, but dureth for a while: for when tribulation or persecution ariseth because of the word, by and by (at once, immediately) he is offended.
22 He also that received seed among the thorns is he that heareth the word; and the care of this world, and the deceitfulness of riches, choke the word, and he becometh unfruitful.
23 But he that received seed into the good ground is he that heareth the word, and understandeth it; which also beareth fruit, and bringeth forth, some an hundredfold, some sixty, some thirty.

KJV

Thus, this is talking about hearing this message about the Kingdom and either "not understanding it at all," "receiving it until pressure and persecution arises," "receiving it while being distracted," or "receiving it with full understanding, weighing the cost."

One last time, this parable has NOTHING to do with the justification of an individual by God.
 

Angelina

Prayer Warrior
Staff member
Admin
Feb 4, 2011
37,034
14,947
113
New Zealand
www.facebook.com
Faith
Christian
Country
New Zealand
Of course, that is your prerogative. However, I believe that once one is born into the family of God, one cannot be "unborn." Consequently, I don't believe that one can "lose his/her salvation" once he/she has been truly "saved." Actually, since the TRUE terminology from Scripture is "justification by God" instead of "salvation," then one is saying that he/she could "lose his/her justification by God!" Clearly, that's IMPOSSIBLE because "justification by God" is all on GOD'S ability and will, not on our own. It is UP TO GOD whether He will justify an individual! We can really do nothing about the sins we have already committed, and in truth, since God doesn't justify us on OUR merits but on those of the Messiah Yeshua`, then NOTHING we do or fail to do will affect whether God chooses to justify us! Ultimately, we are ALL sinners, no matter how "good" or "bad" we've been lately, because God "declares the end from the beginning." He sees all of time at once!

If one believes that one can "lose his/her salvation (justification by God)," then a Christian can "backslide" and become an unbeliever once again. If one does not believe one can "lose his/her salvation (justification by God)," then a "Christian" was never one to begin with if he can "backslide" and act like the unbeliever he/she truly is. Same result; different perspective.

As far as Dominionism and Dominion Theology are concerned, they are no different than the mentality of the Crusades. Furthermore, it's like Zionism to Orthodox Jews! However, we DO have some responsibility to make disciples of all nations, whether it's to the extreme of Dominionism or not. How you describe this Dominionism makes me think they would be prime candidates to believe in Postmillennialism, the eschatological belief system that suggests that the Messiah will not return until AFTER "the church has 'risen up' and 'taken dominion' over all of the world's governments and institutions."
I did not say that these folks have lost their salvation but rather that they have been deceived....they have erred in their way, they have gone astray. There is always opportunity in Christ to repent and turn around. The bible tells us that we can err even when we have the Holy Spirit dwelling in us. Galatians 5:16-17 is a clear indication that those who have the Spirit can also go astray by walking according to the desires of the flesh. If it were not so, it would not be necessary to record it.
The bible also tells us that if we do sin, we have an advocate with the Father who intercedes on our behalf...Jesus our righteous redeemer 1 John 2:1
 

Dodo_David

Melmacian in human guise
Jul 13, 2013
1,048
63
0
guysmith said:
Matthew 2235 One of them, an expert in the law, tested him with this question: 36 “Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?” 37 Jesus replied: “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’ 38 This is the first and greatest commandment.

...which is a single sentence that addresses the first four commandments.

Matthew 22:39 And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’ 40 All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.”

.....which addresses the last six commandments.

I know for myself that I get caught up in studying the scriptures so much that I sometimes forget this.

In Yehoshua,
Guy
Point of Information: There are more than ten commandments in the Tanakh.
The ten commandments in the Decalogue (Exodus 20) are not the only commandments in the first five books of the Old Testament.
 

Arnie Manitoba

Well-Known Member
Mar 8, 2011
2,650
137
63
72
Manitoba Canada
I still think the biggest mistake we (Gentile Christians) make is not considering Jesus (& Matthew) are addressing religious Jews (who were operating under the law of Moses)

Think about it for a minute

We (gentiles) come to Christ strictly on faith , belief , and the grace of God

We can see that in our early days as new Christians , we felt pure and innocent and forgiven without any legalistic clutter

Then we spend the rest of our lives trying to imitate Judaism (law) ,
only to fail and we come back to Christ ,

then back to the law and then back to Christ
then back to the law and then back to Christ
then back to the law and then back to Christ
then back to the law and then back to Christ
then back to the law and then back to Christ
then back to the law and then back to Christ
then back to the law and then back to Christ

.... see a pattern here ? :)



As far as "producing fruit" consistent with being saved ... I often feel like a failure .... until I consider what my life would have been like without Christ .... yikes ... !!!! .... quite a difference.
 

guysmith

New Member
Nov 12, 2007
459
3
0
73
Miami, FL
Shalom Retrobyter,


1. You stated: Thus, this is talking about hearing this message about the Kingdom and either "not understanding it at all," "receiving it until pressure and persecution arises," "receiving it while being distracted," or "receiving it with full understanding, weighing the cost."

My response: What do you mean by “receiving it”?

2. You keep mentioning the kingdom and salvation as two different topics. To me, if you accept Christ, you receive salvation which includes you into the kingdom. Any one that makes it to the kingdom has to first accept Christ to receive salvation. They compliment each other. But, you are trying to tell us something that I still haven’t fully understood. Would you elaborate?

3. Is there a difference/seperation between the 10 Commandments and the Law?


Greetings Arnie,

You stated: As far as "producing fruit" consistent with being saved ... I often feel like a failure .... until I consider what my life would have been like without Christ

My response: Me too.

Tell me some of your thoughts on how one expresses:
  1. their love for God?
  2. their love for their neighbor?

In Yehoshua,
Guy Smith
 

michaelvpardo

Well-Known Member
Feb 26, 2011
4,204
1,734
113
67
East Stroudsburg, PA
Faith
Christian
Country
United States
Retrobyter said:
Shalom, Guy.


As for your two possibilities, I would be more prone to accept possibility 1 than 2. Possibility 1 puts the matter squarely on the individual, but Possibility 2 seems to put the matter on Christ's shoulders. I don't think so. First, I've never known God to treat His children in that way, and second, our standing with God is NOT performance based. If it were, we'd ALL be in trouble!

It's been both my experience and my study of the Scriptures to see that those who "fall short of being welcomed into the fold" do so because of THEIR OWN resistance! "God is not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance." The only time in Scripture that I see someone not welcomed, it's because THAT PERSON has LONG rejected God's free gift, and now it's too late, i.e., Judgment Day has come!
I've met many "Christians" and corresponded with quite a few on forums like this one, that call upon the name of the Lord, but haven't accepted His righteousness (or accepted that His gift of propitiation is sufficient for their salvation.) When people tell you that they aren't sure of their salvation, what they usually mean is that they believe that its possible to lose salvation or voluntarily walk away from the Lord. This lack of trust in God, who always completes what He started and who always keeps His word, betrays a lack of intimate knowledge of the Lord and of His character. Does this mean that they haven't received His Spirit (been born again?) It may be just a sign of immaturity and poor discipleship on the part of those responsible for leading them to Christ in the first place, or they might not have genuinely believed. Biblical faith is taking God at His word, and living accordingly. Saving faith is that which receives the Spirit of Christ and walks accordingly, abiding in Him. Who can judge this other than the One who knows the heart of man?
This passage in Matthew is usually taught as a final judgment (as in the great white throne judgment,) but in its context the Lord appeared to be speaking of the beginning of the millennial reign (the sheep go in to inherit the kingdom prepared for them.) I heard RC Sproul speaking today on his radio show about the tabernacle and the arrangement of the camp of Israel around that central tent of meeting, the place where the glory of God was manifested and where the Lord spoke to Moses "face to face." RC referred to the area around the tabernacle (outside the limits of the courts) as the "outer darkness." I don't know where or how he arrived at that term in this context, though it makes sense theologically.
In the book of the Revelation of Jesus Christ we find in the last chapter:

14. Blessed are those who do His commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter through the gates into the city. 15. But outside are dogs and sorcerers and sexually immoral and murderers and idolaters, and whoever loves and practices a lie. Revelation 22:14-15

These verses are also generally taught in a spiritualized way to speak of the redeemed that enter into God's city, the heavenly Jerusalem, and the lost and unregenerate that reject Jesus Christ, but may refer also to the millennial kingdom (at least in part.)
I'm not at all clear with regard to the topic of the millennial kingdom, though I do anticipate it, and I've recently began a study of the subject, partly because of the widespread ignorance on the topic, even though this topic is probably one of the most referenced things in scripture other than the person of Christ Himself.
So far I've noted that Jacob gave prophesy to his children about what would become of them in the latter days and this may have referred to the national kingdom of Israel as we see it before the dispersions, but latter days we usually take to refer to the "end times," so may refer to the future millennial kingdom.
In Deuteronomy chapter 30 and verses 1 through 6 Moses prophesies about the gathering together of Israel after they've received both the blessings and the curses for obedience and disobedience to the law, and of the future circumcision of their hearts. These are events that are yet to be completed and can't be interpreted strictly in the context of the church.
The entire chapter 32 of the book of Deuteronomy is called a song of Moses and describes the spiritual history of Israel from the beginning and up to the judgment and redemption of the land and His people. Verse 8 is particularly interesting as it is written in the past tense and translated as an answer to verse 7, but actually seems to be talking about the future (English translations are confusing here as some refer to the setting of the boundaries of the peoples according to the numbers of the children of Israel while others are translated as according to the numbers of the sons of God. The actual word used is neither Israel or God, but is a more rarely used Hebrew name which Strong's concordance defines as meaning "he will rule as God.") The implication of the verse is that in the Kingdom of God the boundaries of the peoples will be set up according to the numbers of those born again of the Spirit of God. Jesus' apostles were told that they would sit upon 12 thrones judging the twelve tribes of Israel, so it would appear that others will be seated as judges over those "outside" or not part of the commonwealth of Israel, some over few and some over many as the Lord has considered our faithfulness and rewards us with the "true riches" or peoples of His kingdom.
The study is huge, but seems worth the time.
 

KingJ

New Member
Mar 18, 2011
1,568
45
0
41
South Africa
Retrobyter said:
Shalom, everyone.

Recently, guysmith asked me about this passage of Scripture:


At his suggestion, I would like to discuss this statement in the open forum to get everyone's view.

For me, I think this statement is quite simple. There will be those who THINK they are doing the Lord's work but have never taken the time to get to KNOW either Yeshua` or His Father beyond a head knowledge.

It doesn't matter HOW MUCH a person can do FOR God if he has never MET God. As can be seen in verse 22 above, these people will be able to prophesy, drive out demons, and perform many miracles while NEVER drawing near to God! Some claim that these can only be done in the Spirit, but clearly that's not the case!

Thus, it is possible to THINK you're in the Spirit and never to have known the Spirit of God.
I agree with you.

Everything we do is from the heart. Our hearts either have us or Jesus on the throne. If Jesus is on the throne all works done are living works. If we are on the throne they are dead works.

What I find interesting about Matt 7:22 is that Jesus mentions some of the things these false Christians will do...note what they are.....1 Prophecy, 2. Cast out demons and 3 heal the sick. Note that all three are actions that will appeal to our pride. I have the power to.....cast out demons ...whooo hooo....I have the power to heal the sick....whooo hoooo. That is why I really like where scripture says...'lay hands on no man suddenly.....call for the elders to lay hands on the sick....if you cast a demon out several more will return....some are sick due to their sin'' :D :D.

God has given ME the power to heal YOU :D :D :D . ummm no.... John 9:31 says God hears my prayer just fine. If God doesn't answer my prayer He won't answer yours.

Demons have no choice but to respect the name of Jesus. So possession or sickness from them will go if anyone prays! Hardly an accomplishment for a Christian.

Jesus would never say ''I don't know you'' to people that selflessly help widows, elderly and orphans!!! James 1:27.

The guy changing the light bulb for an old lady has a greater reward in heaven then the guy casting demons out of 10 000 people. Gotta love how good God is! He sees right through us!
 

Retrobyter

Well-Known Member
Oct 29, 2011
1,783
45
48
66
Tampa Bay, Florida
Faith
Christian
Country
United States
Shalom, Guy.

guysmith said:
Shalom Retrobyter,


1. You stated: Thus, this is talking about hearing this message about the Kingdom and either "not understanding it at all," "receiving it until pressure and persecution arises," "receiving it while being distracted," or "receiving it with full understanding, weighing the cost."

My response: What do you mean by “receiving it”?

2. You keep mentioning the kingdom and salvation as two different topics. To me, if you accept Christ, you receive salvation which includes you into the kingdom. Any one that makes it to the kingdom has to first accept Christ to receive salvation. They compliment each other. But, you are trying to tell us something that I still haven’t fully understood. Would you elaborate?

3. Is there a difference/seperation between the 10 Commandments and the Law?

...

In Yehoshua,
Guy Smith
Answer to Question 1: What I meant by "receiving it" is "listening to the good news about God soon reigning through His Messiah the Kingdom that was promised to David's Heir and accepting it as truth for oneself, not just a vague 'truth' that MAY apply to oneself." This entails how that Kingdom will literally make a difference in one's life. What will be one's standing within such a Kingdom?

Those who have done well in little matters will be rewarded with governing over an appropriate number of towns and villages ("cities"):

Luke 19:15-19
15 And it came to pass, that when he was returned, having received the kingdom, then he commanded these servants to be called unto him, to whom he had given the money, that he might know how much every man had gained by trading.
16 Then came the first, saying, Lord, thy pound hath gained ten pounds.
17 And he said unto him, Well, thou good servant: because thou hast been faithful in a very little, have thou authority over ten cities.
18 And the second came, saying, Lord, thy pound hath gained five pounds.
19 And he said likewise to him, Be thou also over five cities.
KJV


Paul took this VERY literally when he said the following to the gathering in Korinthos:

1 Corinthians 6:1-11
1 Dare any of you, having a matter against another, go to law before the unjust, and not before the saints?
2 Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? and if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters?
3 Know ye not that we shall judge angels (God's messengers)? how much more things that pertain to this life?
4 If then ye have judgments of things pertaining to this life, set them to judge who are least esteemed in the church.
5 I speak to your shame. Is it so, that there is not a wise man among you? no, not one that shall be able to judge between his brethren?
6 But brother goeth to law with brother, and that before the unbelievers.
7 Now therefore there is utterly a fault among you, because ye go to law one with another. Why do ye not rather take wrong? why do ye not rather suffer yourselves to be defrauded?
8 Nay, ye do wrong, and defraud, and that your brethren.
9 Know ye not that the unrighteous (the unjust; the unfair) shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.
11 And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.
KJV


This is not about the process of being justified by God; this is about, now that you all ARE ALREADY justified by God on the authority of the Master Yeshua` and through the power of the Ruach haQodesh - the Holy Spirit - of our God, being the kind of highly noble person who is READY to judge matters of state!

Today, we have almost totally lost this concept in the vague, wishy-washy, ethereal interpretations we have of the Scriptures within our churches! That's NOT GOOD!

Answer to Question 2: Sure. You are, of course, right that one must first be justified by God before he or she can be within God's Kingdom that will be ruled by Yeshua` the Messiah when He returns from the sky ("heaven"). BUT, being "justified by God" is not what is meant in the term "salvation." "Salvation" is about the RESCUE OF THE JEWS! It's a problem with semantics.

That being said, the concept of an individual's justification by God and the concept of God's Kingdom DO complement each other. One is not admitted into God's Kingdom under His Representative Anointed to be King unless he or she has first been justified by God, and, having been justified by God, one is not only just admitted, one is also given appropriate administration of a portion of God's Kingdom, as described above!

It's time for our churches to get off the "ethereal plane" and get down to the reality of what the Scriptures actually say! That will also, consequently, give our churches a MUCH better means by which to relate and help our present world system! By being more concrete, one will have his or her head "out of the clouds" so he or she can make a more meaningful contribution to other persons' lives! And, of course, the highest contribution one can make to another person's life is to show them how they, too, can be justified by God and become a member of God's mishpachah - God's FAMILY!

Answer to Question 3: Yes, there is a GREAT difference. Technically, there are 613 commandments, not just 10. But, the "Law," as it has been translated from the word "Torah," is not just "a list of do's and don't's." "Torah" means "INSTRUCTION." God was not just communicating a list of requirements and prohibitions; He was communicating a LIFESTYLE that the children of Isra'el were to adopt!

On the negative side, YEARS AND YEARS before we learned about parasites, microbes, bacteria, and viruses, God gave the Hebrews a lifestyle that would protect them from such infestations and the deaths that could result!

On the positive side, He was teaching them about HIMSELF! He was showing them how they could have a RELATIONSHIP with Himself! He not only wanted them to survive but to EXCEL! However, He had to take them - step by step - through the fundamentals of how impossible it was for them to live such a lifestyle and to have such a relationship with an altogether HOLY GOD by themselves! They needed to have HELP - God's HELP! They needed to have God's justification! David understood this and communicated it to the people in his psalms:

Psalm 19:12-14
12 Who can understand his errors? cleanse thou me from secret faults.
13 Keep back thy servant also from presumptuous sins; let them not have dominion over me: then shall I be upright, and I shall be innocent from the great transgression.
14 Let the words of my mouth, and the meditation of my heart, be acceptable in thy sight, O Lord, my strength, and my redeemer.
KJV


Psalm 25:1-22
1 Unto thee, O Lord, do I lift up my soul.
2 O my God, I trust in thee: let me not be ashamed, let not mine enemies triumph over me.
3 Yea, let none that wait on thee be ashamed: let them be ashamed which transgress without cause.
4 Shew me thy ways, O Lord; teach me thy paths.
5 Lead me in thy truth, and teach me: for thou art the God of my salvation; on thee do I wait all the day.
6 Remember, O Lord, thy tender mercies and thy lovingkindnesses; for they have been ever of old.
7 Remember not the sins of my youth, nor my transgressions: according to thy mercy remember thou me for thy goodness' sake, O Lord.
8 Good and upright is the Lord: therefore will he teach sinners in the way.
9 The meek will he guide in judgment: and the meek will he teach his way.
10 All the paths of the Lord are mercy and truth unto such as keep his covenant and his testimonies.
11 For thy name's sake, O Lord, pardon mine iniquity; for it is great.
12 What man is he that feareth the Lord? him shall he teach in the way that he shall choose.

13 His soul shall dwell at ease; and his seed shall inherit the earth.
14 The secret of the Lord is with them that fear him; and he will shew them his covenant.
15 Mine eyes are ever toward the Lord; for he shall pluck my feet out of the net.
16 Turn thee unto me, and have mercy upon me; for I am desolate and afflicted.
17 The troubles of my heart are enlarged: O bring thou me out of my distresses.
18 Look upon mine affliction and my pain; and forgive all my sins.

19 Consider mine enemies; for they are many; and they hate me with cruel hatred.
20 O keep my soul, and deliver me: let me not be ashamed; for I put my trust in thee.
21 Let integrity and uprightness preserve me; for I wait on thee.
22 Redeem Israel, O God, out of all his troubles.
KJV


Psalm 51:1-17
1 Have mercy upon me, O God, according to thy lovingkindness: according unto the multitude of thy tender mercies blot out my transgressions.
2 Wash me throughly from mine iniquity, and cleanse me from my sin.
3 For I acknowledge my transgressions: and my sin is ever before me.
4 Against thee, thee only, have I sinned, and done this evil in thy sight: that thou mightest be justified when thou speakest, and be clear when thou judgest.
5 Behold, I was shapen in iniquity; and in sin did my mother conceive me.
6 Behold, thou desirest truth in the inward parts: and in the hidden part thou shalt make me to know wisdom.
7 Purge me with hyssop, and I shall be clean: wash me, and I shall be whiter than snow.
8 Make me to hear joy and gladness; that the bones which thou hast broken may rejoice.
9 Hide thy face from my sins, and blot out all mine iniquities.
10 Create in me a clean heart, O God; and renew a right spirit within me.
11 Cast me not away from thy presence; and take not thy holy spirit from me.

12 Restore unto me the joy of thy salvation; and uphold me with thy free spirit.
13 Then will I teach transgressors thy ways; and sinners shall be converted unto thee.
14 Deliver me from bloodguiltiness, O God, thou God of my salvation: and my tongue shall sing aloud of thy righteousness.
15 O Lord, open thou my lips; and my mouth shall shew forth thy praise.
16 For thou desirest not sacrifice; else would I give it: thou delightest not in burnt offering.
17 The sacrifices of God are a broken spirit: a broken and a contrite heart, O God, thou wilt not despise.
KJV


David didn't write all the psalms, although he wrote most of them, but whoever wrote Psalm 130, he also understood:

Psalm 130:1-8-131
1 Out of the depths have I cried unto thee, O Lord.
2 Lord, hear my voice: let thine ears be attentive to the voice of my supplications.
3 If thou, Lord, shouldest mark iniquities, O Lord, who shall stand?
4 But there is forgiveness with thee, that thou mayest be feared.
5 I wait for the Lord, my soul doth wait, and in his word do I hope.
6 My soul waiteth for the Lord more than they that watch for the morning: I say, more than they that watch for the morning.
7 Let Israel hope in the Lord: for with the Lord there is mercy, and with him is plenteous redemption.
8 And he shall redeem Israel from all his iniquities.

So, if the only thing one got out of the Torah was a list of do's and don't's, then he or she has failed at understanding the Torah. They got an "F" in the class!