The wrong desire (Are you taking sticky notes from me now)
This is the word: Take
This is the word: Taking
Taking read's like tacking. How do you make the word take into take-ing?
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This is the word: Take
This is the word: Taking
Taking read's like tacking. How do you make the word take into take-ing?
Marvelloustime
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amigo de christo
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True christains and true biblical christanity are not of Such a system . The blames of the blood
produced by RCC and by protestants were done by those who never KNEW HIM .
Just like this huge move of the ecumeincal move we see today . not of HIM .
in fact , give it some time and this big ol inclusive lo vey do ecumeincal interfaith
that has merged world and her religoins , oh CRUSADES against any and all
who conformed not WILL BEGIN .
And they , the merged united world and her religoins will actually believe they do the will of GOD
when such souls are rounded up and even killed . They will beleive its a necessary means
for to attain world peace n s afety .
THE WHOLE world , the false religoins , as well as much in christendom
are all being deceived . by what they THINK is LOVE and is OF GOD . only it of the devil .
amigo de christo
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When men teach contrary TO HIS words , TO his instruction , OH you are correct indeed .
When men teach in agreement with HIS words , With His instruction now that is GOOD and necessary .
Wick Stick
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You don't get to be part of the BBQ or concert.
You aren't resurrected with the martyrs.
When the final judgment happens, you do not inherit eternal life, you are punished in proportion to your mis-deeds, and afterwards cease to exist.
Aunty Jane
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And God gives you that choice....the same choice that he gives to everyone. It’s called free will, and God in his Sovereignty had to set limits as to its usage....why? Because free will is also a gift, not to be abused and not to be taking free will away from others. This is why we chafe under the authority of those who want to impose their will on us, whether that be our boss, our mate, or our government. We comply without complaint until it becomes a burden for whatever reason. No gift given by our Creator is without set limits....but no limit set by God is intolerable or causes us any deprivation at all.
You can see the limits God sets like a straight jacket......or a seat belt. Which are they to you?
Aunty Jane
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The instructions God set out in the beginning were simple, not a thing was imposed on mankind that would cause them a minute’s worth of misery. What did the humans want for? Everything they needed and more was provided abundantly. Their happiness and security were his top priority. But free will came with limits because of the danger that some would abuse the privilege. A god of order always has contingencies worked out well in advance to address any breach of his rules. Can you name me any rules that are made without care and forethought for free willed beings?
God’s heavenly family, up until the creation of humans, had no reason to abuse their free will and were content with their life in the spirit realm. Only with the creation of man, did something occur to one who was carried away with his own magnificence and desired the worship that these “lower” creatures would give to his God. He is the one who wanted “to be like God”.
Instead of resisting that desire, he acted on it and brought the whole purpose of material creation into question, because the one who made himself “the devil” did not question God’s power, but called into question his Sovereignty and his right to set limits to the free will he gave them (made in his image).
We are the clay in the hands of the Potter. (Jer 18:3-6; Rom 9:20)
All he ever asked for was our obedience, without question, because, who has the right to question the motives of the one who made us? Once we get to know who Yahweh is, and what his purpose was for humankind originally, we have no reason to question anything he does or says. Love motivated everything he did and has done since the fall....love and reward for the faithful, not for the disobedient.
If we break his rules, we have no place as subjects in his kingdom. Just as with any nation on earth, to enjoy residence, you must comply with the rules applied, or be denied entry.
As there is no “hell of eternal torment”, denial of entry means eternal death, nothing more. One can go out of existence as easily as one came into existence. Adam was told that he would go back where he came from.....where were we before our parents created us?
Aunty Jane
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I do so wish your responses were not so ambiguous.....what on earth are you trying to say?
I’m sure you know exactly what you mean but I have no idea as to what you actually said as a response.
Can you be a little more coherent?
That's not right. Care for me to point out why? No you say? Well to bad because here I go: Christian's claim that God has given each sinner freedom to choose to believe in him. But let's look at what you are getting here: There is the choice to believe in Jesus and be given the gift of salvation, or not to believe in him and be condemned to hellfire. Given that these are the only two options to believe is available, where door 1 will lead to relief and door 2 leads to agony. There is really only one option that is available not two. Because who can actually freely choose door number 2 once they know the inevitable destiny of both doors.
Aunty Jane
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Where will I find this “hellfire” in the Scriptures? I can find no reference to such a place....care to enlighten me as to why a God of love would even intend such an ignominious destiny even for the most incorrigably wicked, when he could simply terminate their existence? The Punishment of death from God was either as a result of gross disrespect, for him or his appointed leaders, or in response to the taking of a life illegally.
In Jewish belief, there was no “afterlife”...no “immortal soul” to depart from the body, and suffer after death, as their Scripture never taught it. (Eccl 9:5, 10)
Door number 2 does not exist....what was offered to the human race was either, obedience (to one very reasonable command) with rich rewards....or the termination of life because of the abuse of free will, where free will was stolen in the attempt to enforce their own will on others....through evil means, and with evil results. The TKGE was a protection from evil....if only the first pair had rejected the devil’s temptations....we would not be having this conversation....a knowledge of evil would never have existed nor would it have been perpetrated by anyone in this world.
If you are going to raise issues, please make sure you have your facts straight before you aim your criticisms at your Creator.....seriously, who told you about the second door?
Perhaps a re-evaluation of the reality of what the Bible teaches may show you that what was on offer at the beginning was more than any human could ever want or need.....there was no need for an excursion into self-will if God’s will was going to be so rewarding....do you not think that God created us for a happy life?
Why did we lose it? What happened in the beginning that gave us this life of trials and tragedy?
Is there something better to look forward to? What does the Bible tell us about that? Is it a story about “heaven or hell” or is that a load of baloney?
What have you been told?
It's all just talk. Talking about being like Jesus is real easy. But actually doing the thing's he said to do is negotiable. Like I said before the Christian's of this day and age are no different from the Pharisees that Jesus warned people of in his day.
