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i understand this can be a controversial subject. I hope to avoid turmoil and personality conflicts.
I did not wear a headcovering (a simple scarf - hence my avatar) UNTIL i actually read the arguments against it, and a few for it. I decided to sit down and go through the passages myself. and i did study some early church history, and even modern church history (it appears a reporter asked a representative of the Vatican (after a big meeting of some sort) if women still has to cover their heads. The RC said something to the effect that: we did not address that at this meeting.
But the reporter took the story and ran it worldwide saying headcoverings no longer required for women. i am not RC. i just post this as some background to how recently it is that western women stopped covering their heads in church.

I studied the passages myself, and though they are hard to understand at first, i found that indeed; women are to cover their heads. i do this now in church. though i would never suggest to another that they have to do so as well.

i don't have time at the moment to post the chapters on it, nor the current argument for and against. but i hope we could have a civil discussion on the matter. If anyone has the time before i return to post the relevant passages, it could be a very helpful discussion. i will write about what i see in those passages that indicates that all the women covered their heads when coming together; assembling FOR PRAYER AND WORSHIP - CHURCH.

Yours in Jesus Christ Our Great King,
Poppin

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EDIT: i do not know why my newest post inserted itself into the OP. i`m clearly doing something wrong.
in any case, this is the part that deals with headcoverings for women.
are there any other women at CyB who wear a head covering in church.

here are the basic passages on the matter:

1 Corinthians 11
Head Coverings

2Now I commend you because you remember me in everything and maintain the traditions even as I delivered them to you. 3But I want you to understand that the head of every man is Christ, the head of a wifea is her husband, and the head of Christ is God. 4Every man who prays or prophesies with his head covered dishonors his head, 5but every wifeb who prays or prophesies with her head uncovered dishonors her head, since it is the same as if her head were shaven. 6For if a wife will not cover her head, then she should cut her hair short. But since it is disgraceful for a wife to cut off her hair or shave her head, let her cover her head. 7For a man ought not to cover his head, since he is the image and glory of God, but woman is the glory of man. 8For man was not made from woman, but woman from man. 9Neither was man created for woman, but woman for man. 10That is why a wife ought to have a symbol of authority on her head, because of the angels.c 11Nevertheless, in the Lord woman is not independent of man nor man of woman; 12for as woman was made from man, so man is now born of woman. And all things are from God. 13Judge for yourselves: is it proper for a wife to pray to God with her head uncovered? 14Does not nature itself teach you that if a man wears long hair it is a disgrace for him, 15but if a woman has long hair, it is her glory? For her hair is given to her for a covering. 16If anyone is inclined to be contentious, we have no such practice, nor do the churches of God.

thoughts :wub:

in the Love of Christ Jesus our Savior,
Poppin.
 
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Greetings Poppin,

This happens to be one of my favourite subjects - thank you for raising it here.

Here is a common response I get from Christian women.

"I still don’t know why I wear one? There are sisters in my church that don’t wear one, and I kind of feel annoyed about it, but at the same time I feel like they have a right to their own views and that they should be respected. I wear one to keep the peace."

Or,

"Men want us to wear them so they can oppress us by having authority over us"

There are a number of issues presented here which we can discuss I am sure, throughout this thread.

In the Masters service
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Poppin .... it has been a few years since I studied the whole head covering thing .... and the way I remember it is that Paul preferred the women cover their heads during his "church services" ..... in other words it was not necessarily a rule or commandment for everybody

We have some christian women who occasional wear head coverings and they tend to do it out of reverence for the Lord (good) .... but I have attended denominations where women were required (compulsory) to be covered and could not even speak in church .... to me it appeared to be more of a control issue of men over women (not so good)

Taken to the extreme is the Islamic burka .... in some sects you either wear one or be killed.
 

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Sadly with this subject so few grasp the deeper divine principles which lay at the very heart of the head covering.

1. Adam was the most responsible

First created
Given dominion by God (Psa. 8)
Named animals and Eve (before and after)
As firstborn he was accountable for the law
God first accused Adam
Was held responsible for his headship role – even though Eve led the way to sin

“By one man’s offence death reigned……”
“As in Adam all die …” (a federal head)
“By one man … sin entered the world”

When a woman comes before her Lord (and in fact a man also) it is essential one grasps these truths.

Purity
to me it appeared to be more of a control issue of men over women (not so good)
This is a problem Arnie if the perception is one of oppression then the principles have been lost and they need to be vigorously retaught.

“But I(Paul)fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtlety, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.”

II Corinthians 11:3

This is the divine thinking on the matter of the Woman and her Head Covering.
 
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Here is what I do not understand. In some congregations it is acceptable for women to go without head covering - contradicting the Apostle Paul - and yet it is unacceptable for women to be elders/pastors. it is as if people accept Paul's instructions only if they feel like doing so.
 
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Dodo_David said:
Here is what I do not understand. In some congregations it is acceptable for women to go without head covering - contradicting the Apostle Paul - and yet it is unacceptable for women to be elders/pastors. it is as if people accept Paul's instructions only if they feel like doing so.
first point is not acceptable according to a godly conscience & Pauls teaching. The second point is also unacceptable according to godly conscience & Pauls teaching.

I hope this helps:

1 Tim 2:11-14

“Let the women learn in silence with all subjection. But I suffer not a women to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. For Adam was first formed, then Eve. And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.”

Gives direction for ecclesial worship (3:15)
Why and what to pray for (v4)
Males must lead prayer in a holy manner (note very specifically males Gk “andros”)
“In like manner” – women must contribute to a holy atmosphere (not distracting others)
Women must remain silent and submissive
Women must not teach, or take initiative over males as Eve did
All will find an equal salvation by respecting the roles God has decreed

“But I suffer not a woman to teach or usurp (exercise, ESV) authority…”
“AUTHORITY” 1 Tim 2:12
“Auto” – by yourself
“Hente” – to act
English “Authentic” – your own idea

Only Use in Bible – related to Eve’s sin in Eden, where Eve did not refer to Adam.

Summary of Principles

Adam should have led … did not!
Eve took the initiative over Adam … should not have!
Adam hearkened … should have spoken
Eve spoke … should have hearkened
Clothing is important … must not distract from spiritual thoughts
God’s order in Creation … man the head of woman … has been reinforced both after the fall and by Paul.

The Head covering is a sign of man and woman coming together in humility and in knowledge of their sinfulness - that one head should not glory over another but present each other as man and woman before the Lord.

If the man appreciated that his glory was veiled by the symbol (head covering) upon the woman's head, how could he come before the Lord uncovered? If in fact the head of the woman is man?

Its a beautiful teaching one which is mostly lost in Christianity today.
 

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1 Cor 11:14-15 Doth not even nature itself teach you, that, if a man have long hair, it is a shame unto him 15 But if a woman have long hair, it is a glory to her: for her hair is given her for a covering.

I like Paul's sarcasm. He is trying to prompt us to use that thing between our heads :). Paul is being crystal clear here that a woman's hair is her glory. So covering it in a meeting is certainly a respectful thing to do! Woman are to dress attractively for their husbands...so in essence they should always need to cover their hair in a meeting.
 

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Arnie Manitoba said:
Poppin .... it has been a few years since I studied the whole head covering thing .... and the way I remember it is that Paul preferred the women cover their heads during his "church services" ..... in other words it was not necessarily a rule or commandment for everybody

We have some christian women who occasional wear head coverings and they tend to do it out of reverence for the Lord (good) .... but I have attended denominations where women were required (compulsory) to be covered and could not even speak in church .... to me it appeared to be more of a control issue of men over women (not so good)

Taken to the extreme is the Islamic burka .... in some sects you either wear one or be killed.
Hi Arnie.
Well i know islam has rules. and many of them are odd it seems to me. But that is thier choice and their religion. I hope they come to Jesus one day soon! i have a muslim friend online and we are respectful of each other's beliefs. he is a nice person, and he does ask questions and respects my answers. it is a good friendship.

regarding covering my head, I found when I actually carefully studied the passage, yes it does say a woman must cover her head in church, it was not a rule of Paul's, he got his teaching from Jesus. i think the letter was written because he was having trouble the jewish churches were not having - women not covering their heads. i can hear the astonishment in Paul's words as he considers that there would be any contention over the issue:

"If anyone is inclined to be contentious, we have no such practice, nor do the churches of God." - no practice of being contentious! and he said none of the churches of God had a practice of being contentious over it. Once i accepted what he was saying, following his argument carefully it was so clear....i was trembling when i first pullled the scarf over my head at services, and the pastor saw me from the pulpit, but he has not said anything to me.

I also believe Paul meant what he said about women not speaking in church. that they remain silent. This is somewhat odd in my church since we are Confessional which means we recite prayers and sing hymns collectively. But we do not have nor allow female pastors or teachers (except for the women and children). not because the men are mean and dominating us, but because it is what the New testament says. and to be honest, before i settled in my church (which took me years to find and i love it), i found that the churches having some troubles were churches that had ordained women at the pulpit. i don't judge anyone for their choice of churches at all. i don't like to fight about our faith. but though i feel free to attend a church headed by a woman, for any reason i choose, mainly to see what they are teaching and doing...i would not become a member of such a church, nor would i take Communion at such an assembly.

Please no one take offense, i mean no offense to anyone personally, these just my own convictions.

But i do cover my head. so I believe this is correct in God's eyes, even though the men and the women "speak", as we recite prayers and articles of our faith (The Apostle's Creed, and so on)

Again, though, i would never tell anyone else what they must do, this was something i decided for myself after reading the text and believing God wants me to cover my head in the assembly. i was very nervous to do it at first, since no other women at my church do (though i think they did until the 1960s when the press ran the erroneous story that the RC no longer required women to cover their heads, and protestant women followed suit, but now i would be uncomfortable not covering my head! haha.

I recall my mother used to cover her head with a kerchief or scarf even just to go to the store back then. and she was not a christian! how the times have changed. we see in the old media and beauty magazines the women covered their hair!

All grace and peace and blessings and love to you all,
Poppin

Purity said:
first point is not acceptable according to a godly conscience & Pauls teaching. The second point is also unacceptable according to godly conscience & Pauls teaching.

I hope this helps:

1 Tim 2:11-14

“Let the women learn in silence with all subjection. But I suffer not a women to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. For Adam was first formed, then Eve. And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.”

Gives direction for ecclesial worship (3:15)
Why and what to pray for (v4)
Males must lead prayer in a holy manner (note very specifically males Gk “andros”)
“In like manner” – women must contribute to a holy atmosphere (not distracting others)
Women must remain silent and submissive
Women must not teach, or take initiative over males as Eve did
All will find an equal salvation by respecting the roles God has decreed

“But I suffer not a woman to teach or usurp (exercise, ESV) authority…”
“AUTHORITY” 1 Tim 2:12
“Auto” – by yourself
“Hente” – to act
English “Authentic” – your own idea

Only Use in Bible – related to Eve’s sin in Eden, where Eve did not refer to Adam.

Summary of Principles

Adam should have led … did not!
Eve took the initiative over Adam … should not have!
Adam hearkened … should have spoken
Eve spoke … should have hearkened
Clothing is important … must not distract from spiritual thoughts
God’s order in Creation … man the head of woman … has been reinforced both after the fall and by Paul.

The Head covering is a sign of man and woman coming together in humility and in knowledge of their sinfulness - that one head should not glory over another but present each other as man and woman before the Lord.

If the man appreciated that his glory was veiled by the symbol (head covering) upon the woman's head, how could he come before the Lord uncovered? If in fact the head of the woman is man?

Its a beautiful teaching one which is mostly lost in Christianity today.
i like this post very much Purity. i pushed the green arrow but it said i can not do it today (?) i think that green arrow says i like the content?
in any case, yes, i understand much more now about God's order. I wish i had been raised in the faith. i lost so many years. but Praise to God He called me!
grace, grace to you
Poppin.

Dodo_David said:
Here is what I do not understand. In some congregations it is acceptable for women to go without head covering - contradicting the Apostle Paul - and yet it is unacceptable for women to be elders/pastors. it is as if people accept Paul's instructions only if they feel like doing so.
hi Dodo_David. this is true. maybe some assemblies or individuals only accept some teachings of they feel like doing so.
But in some (most) cases, i believe that we have not been taught properly. i listen to some apologetics and discernment teachers online, where sermons and teachings by pastors from various denominations are played, then compared to what scripture says. sometimes it's so far off the mark it's frightening. but if someone is raised under that, how would they know?
i was alone for so long i only had my Bible and an Imac :wacko: and the Library. so i spent my time learning about all the demnominations and church history and orthodoxy/heterodoxy and the ancient and new heresies. i understand why bank tellers handle real money in order to recognize the occassional counterfeit slipped in.

i do confess, even though i know what is right, i don't always do it and that is sin. and sometimes i know what is wrong, and i go ahead and do it, and that too is sin. but this is less and less - i think because it hurts more and more :( .

i give thanks that we have access to the Throne of Grace for times of need, and to confess our sins to Him.
He is a Good Lord and a Good king, and a Merciful Priest.

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hmmm...i try to reply directly to one post at a time (separately) but it places it all in one long series of replies, which is not my intention.
i will try to find out what i am doing wrong.
 
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Poppin said:
i like this post very much Purity. i pushed the green arrow but it said i can not do it today (?) i think that green arrow says i like the content?
in any case, yes, i understand much more now about God's order. I wish i had been raised in the faith. i lost so many years. but Praise to God He called me!
grace, grace to you
Poppin.
Its marvellous to witness a sister who is reading and mediating upon the Fathers Word, but feels the sadness of lost time in doing so. I know He would delight in this spirit.

The Headship is also an important step in understanding the Godhead in Yahweh and now in His Son.

1 Corinthians 11

Divine order – God, Christ, Man, Woman
Man reflects the glory of God – as seen in Jesus Christ – therefore must not conceal his head
Man was created to reflect God
Woman was made for man (from his rib)
She represents human glory – so “in ecclesia” she must be covered in respect of God’s glory (or be shaved bald)

Have you noticed the different words used in 1 Cor 11?

First Word v6 katakaluptos – “to fully cover” both head and hair (Young)
Second Word v15 peribolaion – “to throw around” a mantle or a cloak (trans. “vesture” Heb. 1:12)

A women’s hair is a critical part of her appearance – a natural but human glory

I recall an incident with my grandparents which I often ponder. My nanna had very long hair, she could easily sit on it! In their later years my nanna became frustrated with her hair that she told grandad "I'm cutting it all off!", to his astonishment he said to her, "I will do your hair every morning"...and so he did. Everyday until she died he would comb her hair and put up into two buns. I would watch in amazement his devotion in combing her long hair and the time it took seemed to go on forever.

Later I asked Grandad why he didn't allow Nanna to cut if off. He said "I see Nanna's hair as her natural God given beauty, a natural covering of the glory of man that she takes with her, together they both appreciated a "throw around" covering was also required as a symbol of their submission to their God and Christ.

God Bless
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well purity, something wonderful discovered also: shopping for beautiful scarves is fun!
yes, i know regret is useless at this time, but i would have liked to attend christian schools and studied all my life. i would have liked to learn hebrew and greek.
thank you for writing.
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hi Arnie, no that is not me. i made an avatar from a picture on the web.
if you google christian women's headcoverings, you'll see the picture i used, with the text:

Judge for yourselves: Is it proper for a woman to pray to God with her head uncovered? - 1 Corinthians 11:13

that woman and i are similar in appearance though (though i haven not yet found a green scarf like that one...i am looking - lol)
God Bless you!
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Dodo_David said:
Here is what I do not understand. In some congregations it is acceptable for women to go without head covering - contradicting the Apostle Paul - and yet it is unacceptable for women to be elders/pastors. it is as if people accept Paul's instructions only if they feel like doing so.
These are issues of hermeneutics. Churches that do not practice head covering will usually argue that the primary issue here is a "sign of authority." It is argued that the nature of this sign is not the issue. In Paul's day, this sign of authority was head covering. Today, it may be expressed in a different way (although I agree that this issue needs to be thought through more completely by those who claim head covering is unnecessary for cultural reasons). Yet in terms of leadership, Paul's arguments on the issue appear to be anything but cultural. Paul appeals to creation as his rationale for gender roles in the church. Moreover, we have many detailed text regarding the purpose of elders which is discussed exclusively as a male role.

In sum, the issue of leadership and eldership is something we find a great deal written about in the NT and (in my mind) these texts are written in a way that they could not possibly be dismissed as a mere cultural issue. Head covering is another matter. There is not nearly as much written on it and it appears that Paul's emphasis is on issues of authority in the church, and that head covering was a cultural means of expressing an understanding of that authority issue.
 
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Poppin said:
i understand this can be a controversial subject. I hope to avoid turmoil and personality conflicts.
I did not wear a headcovering (a simple scarf - hence my avatar) UNTIL i actually read the arguments against it, and a few for it. I decided to sit down and go through the passages myself. and i did study some early church history, and even modern church history (it appears a reporter asked a representative of the Vatican (after a big meeting of some sort) if women still has to cover their heads. The RC said something to the effect that: we did not address that at this meeting.
But the reporter took the story and ran it worldwide saying headcoverings no longer required for women. i am not RC. i just post this as some background to how recently it is that western women stopped covering their heads in church.

I studied the passages myself, and though they are hard to understand at first, i found that indeed; women are to cover their heads. i do this now in church. though i would never suggest to another that they have to do so as well.

i don't have time at the moment to post the chapters on it, nor the current argument for and against. but i hope we could have a civil discussion on the matter. If anyone has the time before i return to post the relevant passages, it could be a very helpful discussion. i will write about what i see in those passages that indicates that all the women covered their heads when coming together; assembling FOR PRAYER AND WORSHIP - CHURCH.

Yours in Jesus Christ Our Great King,
Poppin

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EDIT: i do not know why my newest post inserted itself into the OP. i`m clearly doing something wrong.
in any case, this is the part that deals with headcoverings for women.
are there any other women at CyB who wear a head covering in church.

here are the basic passages on the matter:

1 Corinthians 11
Head Coverings

2Now I commend you because you remember me in everything and maintain the traditions even as I delivered them to you. 3But I want you to understand that the head of every man is Christ, the head of a wifea is her husband, and the head of Christ is God. 4Every man who prays or prophesies with his head covered dishonors his head, 5but every wifeb who prays or prophesies with her head uncovered dishonors her head, since it is the same as if her head were shaven. 6For if a wife will not cover her head, then she should cut her hair short. But since it is disgraceful for a wife to cut off her hair or shave her head, let her cover her head. 7For a man ought not to cover his head, since he is the image and glory of God, but woman is the glory of man. 8For man was not made from woman, but woman from man. 9Neither was man created for woman, but woman for man. 10That is why a wife ought to have a symbol of authority on her head, because of the angels.c 11Nevertheless, in the Lord woman is not independent of man nor man of woman; 12for as woman was made from man, so man is now born of woman. And all things are from God. 13Judge for yourselves: is it proper for a wife to pray to God with her head uncovered? 14Does not nature itself teach you that if a man wears long hair it is a disgrace for him, 15but if a woman has long hair, it is her glory? For her hair is given to her for a covering. 16If anyone is inclined to be contentious, we have no such practice, nor do the churches of God.

thoughts :wub:

in the Love of Christ Jesus our Savior,
Poppin.

I also wear a head covering in Church. Many of the Christian women in the Middle East still wear a head covering. Those who were called to the religious life (such as Catholic nuns) also wear a head covering. Nevertheless, salvation is not going to be based on what we wear.
 
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Head Coverings in Church

Cardinal Raymond Burke, Prefect of the Apostolic Signatura, responded to an inquiry on this subject. While not a formal judgment of the Signatura, it reflects the opinion of the Church's highest canonical official after the Pope. Note in his answer that there is neither a canonical or moral obligation for women to use a head-covering. Even in the case of the Extraordinary Form there is merely "an expectation," whose failure to fulfil does not entail sin.

Dress, external behavior, mannerisms, etc. are signs of the person, and become so in the cultural context in which the person lives, and in which it indicates something to others. The Christian conforms to the culture in such matters, unless sin is intrinsically involved (clothing which will have the general effect to tempt the opposite sex). Modesty is humility in dress and mannerisms, an outward sign of the disposition of the inner man. By not standing out the Christian assumes a humble posture toward his neighbors.

Whether men and women sit on opposite sides of the church, men wear a skull-cap, and women a veil, as the Jews of St. Paul's day did, is therefore ultimately a matter of modesty, and thus of custom. St. Paul even alludes to this in the Corinthians passage (v.16). When the "approved mores of the people" (1917 CIC, c1262, 2) change, the Church, desiring to be "all things to all men" (1 Cor. 9:22), can conform to those customs. Only the Magisterium is competent to determine which customs can legitimately be practiced, and where custom leaves off and divine law begins. We are always safe in following the Church, rather than our own judgment, for even if the Church makes a prudential error, it is "bound in heaven" (Mt. 16:13-18).


All of the above is from this link - http://www.ewtn.com/expert/answers/head_coverings_in_church.htm
 

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Mungo said:
Head Coverings in Church

Cardinal Raymond Burke, Prefect of the Apostolic Signatura, responded to an inquiry on this subject. While not a formal judgment of the Signatura, it reflects the opinion of the Church's highest canonical official after the Pope. Note in his answer that there is neither a canonical or moral obligation for women to use a head-covering. Even in the case of the Extraordinary Form there is merely "an expectation," whose failure to fulfil does not entail sin.

Dress, external behavior, mannerisms, etc. are signs of the person, and become so in the cultural context in which the person lives, and in which it indicates something to others. The Christian conforms to the culture in such matters, unless sin is intrinsically involved (clothing which will have the general effect to tempt the opposite sex). Modesty is humility in dress and mannerisms, an outward sign of the disposition of the inner man. By not standing out the Christian assumes a humble posture toward his neighbors.

Whether men and women sit on opposite sides of the church, men wear a skull-cap, and women a veil, as the Jews of St. Paul's day did, is therefore ultimately a matter of modesty, and thus of custom. St. Paul even alludes to this in the Corinthians passage (v.16). When the "approved mores of the people" (1917 CIC, c1262, 2) change, the Church, desiring to be "all things to all men" (1 Cor. 9:22), can conform to those customs. Only the Magisterium is competent to determine which customs can legitimately be practiced, and where custom leaves off and divine law begins. We are always safe in following the Church, rather than our own judgment, for even if the Church makes a prudential error, it is "bound in heaven" (Mt. 16:13-18).


All of the above is from this link - http://www.ewtn.com/expert/answers/head_coverings_in_church.htm
Hi Mungo,

I read this part in your post: By not standing out the Christian assumes a humble posture toward his neighbors. On my island, I don't stand out because I'm not the only one who wears the veil. There are still women on my island who wear the veil. However, when I travel to the United States to visit my brother, none of the women in his Church wears the veil, so I stand out......but not on purpose. :) On my island, some of the women still follow the custom of wearing the veil to Church.
 

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Mungo said:
Head Coverings in Church

Cardinal Raymond Burke, Prefect of the Apostolic Signatura, responded to an inquiry on this subject. While not a formal judgment of the Signatura, it reflects the opinion of the Church's highest canonical official after the Pope. Note in his answer that there is neither a canonical or moral obligation for women to use a head-covering. Even in the case of the Extraordinary Form there is merely "an expectation," whose failure to fulfil does not entail sin.

Dress, external behavior, mannerisms, etc. are signs of the person, and become so in the cultural context in which the person lives, and in which it indicates something to others. The Christian conforms to the culture in such matters, unless sin is intrinsically involved (clothing which will have the general effect to tempt the opposite sex). Modesty is humility in dress and mannerisms, an outward sign of the disposition of the inner man. By not standing out the Christian assumes a humble posture toward his neighbors.

Whether men and women sit on opposite sides of the church, men wear a skull-cap, and women a veil, as the Jews of St. Paul's day did, is therefore ultimately a matter of modesty, and thus of custom. St. Paul even alludes to this in the Corinthians passage (v.16). When the "approved mores of the people" (1917 CIC, c1262, 2) change, the Church, desiring to be "all things to all men" (1 Cor. 9:22), can conform to those customs. Only the Magisterium is competent to determine which customs can legitimately be practiced, and where custom leaves off and divine law begins. We are always safe in following the Church, rather than our own judgment, for even if the Church makes a prudential error, it is "bound in heaven" (Mt. 16:13-18).


All of the above is from this link - http://www.ewtn.com/expert/answers/head_coverings_in_church.htm
I do enjoy learning things about the Roman Catholic branch of the universal Church. ^_^
 

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[SIZE=medium]The universal church - how so? That's likened to saying Judaism was universal with the first century ecclesias. something is amiss in your understanding Dodo. Were the Pharisees, Sadducees, Essenes, Herodians, and Zealots all part of a universal body of believers sharing in the faith of Abraham and entitled to the promises? [/SIZE]
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[SIZE=medium]The universal church - how so? That's likened to saying Judaism was universal with the first century ecclesias. something is amiss in your understanding Dodo. Were the Pharisees, Sadducees, Essenes, Herodians, and Zealots all part of a universal body of believers sharing in the faith of Abraham and entitled to the promises? [/SIZE]
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What I emphasized in bold and underlined is the reason why I prefer to stay away from this forum board. Under this thread, not one negative word was said about the Protestant Christians. Only one person shared information about Catholic beliefs in head covering, which is in line with the topic of this OP.

And already one person said something negative about the RCC.. Isn't this topic supposed to be about head coverings???????????? So, ALL Catholics will go through great and terrible judgments just for being Catholic??? Catholics are also Christians. I am through with this board, and I am deleting all my blogs.
 

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What I emphasized in bold and underlined is the reason why I prefer to stay away from this forum board. Under this thread, not one negative word was said about the Protestant Christians. Only one person shared information about Catholic beliefs in head covering, which is in line with the topic of this OP.

And already one person said something negative about the RCC.. Isn't this topic supposed to be about head coverings???????????? So, ALL Catholics will go through great and terrible judgments just for being Catholic??? Catholics are also Christians. I am through with this board, and I am deleting all my blogs.
In this instance the protestant Christians held the correct teaching on the head covering - if you so desire, I could go through the RCC post and highlight the traditions of men but clearly you have certain sensitivities toward rebuking error, which in this instance fell on the RCC member.

You cannot take part in a forum and not expect to see error rebuked openly from the Word of God. Those who speak from catechisms will always come undone because they speak not according to the Word, as such there is no light in them.

Go over this thread and see how many agreed the head covering contains very deep spiritual lessons - I see you have not questioned their inspiration. What do you expect when a Catholic posts ECF tradition which boasts of authority but is found to be void of any wisdom and useless.

This can only be discarded to allow others to further provide Godly Wisdom on this subject. The RCC member can choose to open their Bible and follow the divine hand through His Word or go back to their Catholic catechisms and remain in darkness.

I do hope you stay and contribute further.

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