Islam the cult of Anti-Christ !

A'udzubillaahiminasysyaithonirrojiimBismillaahirrohmaanirrohiim(kriss;21756)
You are reading this backwards Ricky I John 2:19 "They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us."Who are "they"? The subject is "antichrists", John told us in that first letter he wrote to us, called the Gospel of John, How do you know if you have a brother in Christ that is rebellious, or if he is actually an enemy and of the devil? That is what we are learning about in this chapter. Don't believe every spirit, but we are to test the spirits to see if they are of God, or of the devil. The false prophet is a religious leader that what he teaches is against the Word of God. Today there are many false prophets, and this is very biblical. John is telling us not to believe every spirit until they are tested.How are they testedI John 4:2 "Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:"Another words if you do not confess Jesus is Christ come in the flesh you are antchristsif you believe Psalms 22 that Christ would be crucified as He was, that the Roman sholdiers would gamble for His clothing. Also as recorded in Zechariah 9:9, 10 that there would be both a first and second coming of the Messiah, Jesus Christ. And that the coming of Jesus Christ fulfilled the entire Scriptures from beginning to end, then you are in good shape. I John 4:3 "And every spirit that, confesseth not(does not confess) that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world."The spirit of antichrist is the "spirit of instead of Christ". It has been claimed from the beginning of the Scriptures that these spirits would be with us. Can you discern the difference between the good spirits and the bad spirits? Remember that the spirit of antichrist is most practiced amongst false prophets, as we say in verse one. Those false prophets stand a teachers of God's word.
, nothing less to say, i already got your point, and my response still the same, just need to analyze i guest . Pay attention on your statement that i mark.And about Psalms 22:You may pay attention on this verse salm 22:25 My praise shall be of thee in the great congregation: I will pay my vows before them that fear him.Jesus will be saved, and not death. That if you considered that Jesus was being crucified.Wallahu a'lam.

Yahshua was crucify to save us from our sins. Not your Islamic Ismaelite false prophet Muhammad...and you are very boring me, stop twisting scriptures Satan.

A'udzubillaahiminasysyaithonirrojiimBismillaahirrohmaanirrohiim(Code_RED)
Revelation 8:10 10And the third angel sounded, and there fell a great star from heaven, burning as it were a lamp, and it fell upon the third part of the rivers, and upon the fountains of waters;Revelation 9 1And the fifth angel sounded, and I saw a star fall from heaven unto the earth: and to him was given the key of the bottomless pit.In Islam Allah is the Light, a star... !
? What kind of Islam is that ? I hope you are not in deep lying for the second time ? In Islam Allah is not a star. Proofing your words Code_RED, i would like to see whether the Jesus followers were teach to be a lier or not.Wallahu a'lam.

A'udzubillaahiminasysyaithonirrojiimBismillaahirrohmaanirrohiim(thesuperjag)
Yahshua was crucify to save us from our sins. Not your Islamic Ismaelite false prophet Muhammad...and you are very boring me, stop twisting scriptures Satan.
Jordan, that is Elohiym who said that, then you call me twisting it.If you read what David ask on that verse, he asking for God Help. Then God answering his pray. Now, if kriss pointed Jesus using that verse, as the logic consequences Jesus will have the same answer. Think that Jordan. Unless you want to trow away that verse from Psalms 22.And in this discuss the verse we are talking to is not about Muhammad. It is God who can forgive sin, Muhammad s.a.w. just the messenger of His Word.If you get bore, i'm sorry to make you like that, but that is what was foretold in your scriptures on verse 22, and kriss ask me whether i believe to it or not, then i show him the verse 22:25, now does she believe it too or not ?Wallahu a'lam.

A'udzubillaahiminasysyaithonirrojiimBismillaahirrohmaanirrohiim(Code_RED)
I would like to conclude that all prophets in the bible are decendants of Issac whereas Mohammed in quran is the only prophet who is the decendant of Ishmael.
I wonder, can you show me the line blood of Jonah through Isaac ?It is not you who sent the prophets, it is God will to whom He will sent His Messenger. By the way, is it Lot and Abraham was descents to Isaac ? And is it Cain was also descents of Isaac ?For your lovely answer, i shall say thank you .Wallahu a'lam.

(Code_RED;21656)
1 John 2:22 22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
so me denying the father and the sun makes me the antichrist? the son of satan?

There is also the original antichrist who is Satan then there are many who follow in antichrist footsteps, types of antichristsHow does God say to identify all these antichrist typesif he denys Jesus Christ is Lord he denys the FatherIf you fit the type yes you are and/or follow an antichrist

(belial;22280)
so me denying the father and the sun makes me the antichrist? the son of satan?
John 3:16 - For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.John 3:17 - For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.John 3:18 - He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.Jag

A'udzubillaahiminasysyaithonirrojiimBismillaahirrohmaanirrohiim(kriss;22283)
There is also the original antichrist who is Satan then there are many who follow in antichrist footsteps, types of antichristsHow does God say to identify all these antichrist typesif he denys Jesus Christ is Lord he denys the FatherIf you fit the type yes you are and/or follow an antichrist
Hm.... I wonder why you still haven't response my question, kriss ?For another matter :How about if they are not denying Jesus as His Messenger, following his teach, not denying God as well and accept that God as the sender of Jesus as human being, and not considered Jesus as God (event Jesus himself not proclaim him self as God anyway) ?Wallahu a'lam.

Hi Ricky,Peace be with you,(Ricky )
How about if they are not denying Jesus as His Messenger, following his teach, not denying God as well and accept that God as the sender of Jesus as human being, and not considered Jesus as God (event Jesus himself not proclaim him self as God anyway) ?
These are not in the purview of the verses that dealt with antichrist. One of the characteristics is the denial of the Son.
Wallahu a'lam.
God knows best.

A'udzubillaahiminasysyaithonirrojiimBismillaahirrohmaanirrohiim

yaqub]Hi Ricky said:

And may unto you too

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These are not in the purview of the verses that dealt with antichrist. One of the characteristics is the denial of the Son.

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How about if they are not denial of the son in meaning was the one who close with God not as God ?As a mater a fact they doing what Jesus has told in their living. As like Jesus said, worship one God(the same God as Jesus believe that he has (worshiping) God also). Notes : The term son if we are take a look at the Bible it self was the one(human) who has close relationship with God as a judge for represented God in this world (like others prophet), but not God himself.God knows best.

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Indeed God knows best (Wallaahu a'lam)

Peace be with you, Ricky.(Ricky W;22407)
How about if they are not denial of the son in meaning was the one who close with God not as God ?As a mater a fact they doing what Jesus has told in their living. As like Jesus said, worship one God(the same God as Jesus believe that he has (worshiping) God also).
There is no how about. We should not look for any loophole. "Such a man is the antichrist—he denies the Father and the Son." (1 John 2:22)
Notes : The term son if we are take a look at the Bible it self was the one(human) who has close relationship with God as a judge for represented God in this world (like others prophet), but not God himself
But if this is the plain meaning, then why should the Qur'an have an aversion to calling Jesus the Son of God (notice "the", as the Bible uses it)."For it is not consonant with the majesty of (God) Most Gracious that He should beget a son." (Surah 19:92)"He unto Whom belongeth the Sovereignty of the heavens and the earth, He hath chosen no son nor hath He any partner in the Sovereignty. He hath created everything and hath meted out for it a measure." (Surah 25:2)"We know also that the Son of God has come and has given us understanding, so that we may know him who is true. And we are in him who is true - even in his Son Jesus Christ. He is the true God and eternal life." (1 John 5:20)God knows best.

Allah is a creature subservient to Lucifer and they are both deceivers. The book of Enoch may name him but we are unsure which principality he is, but in the judgment we will look at them and know them as those who deceived. From the book of Enoch: (which, by the way, is quoted in what many consider 'official' scripture with this reference, "And behold! He cometh with ten thousands of His holy ones. To execute judgement upon all, And to destroy all the ungodly.")
And these are the names of their leaders: Samîazâz, their leader, Arâkîba, Râmêêl, Kôkabîêl, Tâmîêl, Râmîêl, Dânêl, Êzêqêêl, Barâqîjâl, Asâêl, Armârôs, Batârêl, Anânêl, Zaqîêl, Samsâpêêl, Satarêl, Tûrêl, Jômjâêl, Sariêl. These are their chiefs of tens.
There are some who think Allah is the same creature who masqueraded as Ba'al or Molech and if he is the selfsame creature I wouldn't be surprised.

A'udzubillaahiminasysyaithonirrojiimBismillaahirrohmaanirrohiim

yaqub]Peace be with you said:

And may unto you too, yaqub

There is no how about. We should not look for any loophole. "Such a man is the antichrist—he denies the Father and the Son." (1 John 2:22)

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As I said before, if they are not denying that he is His Messenger(prophets)-"the son term of OT was the one(human) who has close relationship with God and as a judge that represented God in this world(earth)" and not denying God-"Father". And what i has shown you, was has the same meaning with the verse you brought, is it still considered as antichrist ?

But if this is the plain meaning, then why should the Qur'an have an aversion to calling Jesus the Son of God (notice "the", as the Bible uses it)."For it is not consonant with the majesty of (God) Most Gracious that He should beget a son." (Surah 19:92)Now I'm asking you, is it the term "Son of God" in the OT was has the same meaning with what Jesus attributed ?I surely did believe it was different, son of God that attributed to Jesus has the meaning that Father and the Son was as God as the creator of Universe, not as prophet or ordinary human being just like foretold in the OT, correct ?Now you may take a look on the verse of Quran that you have brought below, pay attention on what i bold and colored.

"He unto Whom belongeth the Sovereignty of the heavens and the earth, He hath chosen no son nor hath He any partner in the Sovereignty. He hath created everything and hath meted out for it a measure." (Surah 25:2)

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Now i hope that can make it clear regarding on the verse that you are quoting.And as a proof on what I'm saying, above, i've quoted your response below, which this term that God denying on word Son.

"We know also that the Son of God has come and has given us understanding, so that we may know him who is true. And we are in him who is true - even in his Son Jesus Christ. He is the true God and eternal life." (1 John 5:20)

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I hope that make you clear Yaqub

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God knows best.

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Indeed God Knows Best(Wallahu a'lam)

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A'udzubillaahiminasysyaithonirrojiimBismillaahirrohmaanirrohiim(servant_of_the_end)
Allah is a creature subservient to Lucifer and they are both deceivers. The book of Enoch may name him but we are unsure which principality he is, but in the judgment we will look at them and know them as those who deceived. From the book of Enoch: (which, by the way, is quoted in what many consider 'official' scripture with this reference, "And behold! He cometh with ten thousands of His holy ones. To execute judgement upon all, And to destroy all the ungodly.")There are some who think Allah is the same creature who masqueraded as Ba'al or Molech and if he is the selfsame creature I wouldn't be surprised.
I have no idea where is the statement of Allah is creature came from ?Well unfortunately whether in Islam, the true follower of Moses and others prophet of God, nor the true follower of Jesus has considered God/Allah/Elohiym as creature. If your statement above considered as a truth, perhaps that was pointed to taking God/Allah as creature, but just for you to know. Islam/Moses Follower/Jesus Follower there isn't among them who considered God as creature.I think your knowledge about it need more to be added .And if you still think or insist that the name of Allah was as creature i think you should ask to Christian Arab about it to make your mind clear .Wallahu a'lam.

(Ricky W;22485)
A'udzubillaahiminasysyaithonirrojiimBismillaahirrohmaanirrohiimI have no idea where is the statement of Allah is creature came from ?Well unfortunately whether in Islam, the true follower of Moses and others prophet of God, nor the true follower of Jesus has considered God/Allah/Elohiym as creature. If your statement above considered as a truth, perhaps that was pointed to taking God/Allah as creature, but just for you to know. Islam/Moses Follower/Jesus Follower there isn't among them who considered God as creature.I think your knowledge about it need more to be added .And if you still think or insist that the name of Allah was as creature i think you should ask to Christian Arab about it to make your mind clear .Wallahu a'lam.
Your equivocation of Allah as god is wrong. Serve the creature if you must, but you won't change the heart of those who see Allah as a fallen power. He(allah) may be powerful to you, but that can be discarded as something for reprobates to consider as a point of conjecture for Jihad. Shari'ah and the caliphate are not in the Alimighty's plan and try as you might, your cult will see it's end soon enough.

A'udzubillaahiminasysyaithonirrojiimBismillaahirrohmaanirrohiim(servant_of_the_end)
Your equivocation of Allah as god is wrong. Serve the creature if you must, but you won't change the heart of those who see Allah as a fallen power.
Equivocation ? Well i don't know how to call you, but you are the one who did it, because there isn't in this world and universe who submit Islam as their faith considered Allah as creature, so it's clearly you are the one who done it, not me. As I said before, none of the Jews, Christian, or Islam has considered Allah(God) is creature, NONE. So, if you are saying and believe that Allah was a creature, that is your own problem who has that miss perception. I already shown to this forum that Allah was God in Arabic Language, event in your Arabic Bible. Don't get me wrong my friend, the Arabs also has christian followers, so as i said before, clear up your mind first, before you are talking that you are not known -i think-. (Just giving little bit advise if you don't mind of course ).
He(allah) may be powerful to you, but that can be discarded as something for reprobates to consider as a point of conjecture for Jihad.
Heks.... , pardon me, but i don't get that, what are you trying to say.
Shari'ah and the caliphate are not in the Alimighty's plan and try as you might, your cult will see it's end soon enough.
Well, you are not God anyway, so why should i trust your word ? And one another think i don't know/understand with what you call with cult.Wallahu a'lam.

Dear Brothers and sisters,I just came back from vacation.This is a replay to ricky. I am the son of God through Jesus christ. I have been given the sonship to God through his son Jesus christ. No body can be the son of God unless he belives that Jesus christ is the son of God. Jesus said No one comes to the father except through the son (Jesus christ).The grace of God is for all who belive.

A'udzubillaahiminasysyaithonirrojiimBismillaahirrohmaanirrohiim(ami)
This is a replay to ricky. I am the son of God through Jesus christ. I have been given the sonship to God through his son Jesus christ. No body can be the son of God unless he belives that Jesus christ is the son of God. Jesus said No one comes to the father except through the son (Jesus christ).
Firstly, I'm asking you ami, is it the son of God of yours was the same with the son of God of Jesus ? I believe it's not, that's why Quran denying perception the son of God of Jesus, because you are making him as creature, meanwhile others son of God you are considered as ordinary human being.Secondly, your words : No body can be the son of God unless he belives that Jesus christ is the son of GodBible has denying your falsely interpretation, watch this verse :Matthew 5:9 Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God. (Event without believing Jesus, anyone can considered as son of God). You want see others ? Ok, i give it to you, watch this :Rome 8:14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God. (event this verse not telling any about your interpretation).Luke 3:38 Which was the son of Enos, which was the son of Seth, which was the son of Adam, which was the son of God. (Tell me ami, is it those person was accepting Jesus as God ? )Luke 6:35 But love ye your enemies, and do good, and lend, hoping for nothing again; and your reward shall be great, and ye shall be the children of the Highest: for he is kind unto the unthankful and to the evil. (Again, does this verse telling that the one who so call with son of God (The Highest) must believe Jesus as son of God or as God as well ?.Thirdly, about your words : Jesus said No one comes to the father except through the son (Jesus christ).Now i'm asking you, is it Adam which is has meet with God of course(according to your bible) through Jesus christ ?Is it Abraham and others prophets can meet or come to Father becuase they haven't say that or make a statement "O Jesus you are the of God" ?Think about it or perhaps i'm the one who should think about it ?
The grace of God is for all who belive.
And may His Guidance be upon all of men.And Kriss, i'm still waiting on your response regarding Jesus being saved if he really being crucified ?Because you've said that jesus was full filled the Psalms 22, meanwhile at Psalms 22:25 God will pay his vowsPsalms 22:25 My praise shall be of thee in the great congregation: I will pay my vows before them that fear him.Did Jesus die, if he is really being crucified ? Because Psalms 22 has indicate that Jesus being saved.Wallaahu a'lam.

Ricky,I am refering to the new testement where we are saved by the grace of God through beliving in Jesus christ the son of God. Ricky wrote:Matthew 5:9 Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God. (Event without believing Jesus, anyone can considered as son of God). Ami wrote:No, no one can become the son of God without beliving in his son because Jesus said he who has the son has the father. But he who has not the son doesn't have the father. Read what i have highlighted in red.Matthew 5:1-9[1] And seeing the multitudes, he went up into a mountain: and when he was set, his disciples came unto him:[2] And he opened his mouth, and taught them, saying,[3] Blessed are the poor in spirit: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.[4] Blessed are they that mourn: for they shall be comforted.[5] Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth.[6] Blessed are they which do hunger and thirst after righteousness: for they shall be filled.[7] Blessed are the merciful: for they shall obtain mercy.[8] Blessed are the pure in heart: for they shall see God.Here Jesus was teaching his diciples who already followed him(belived in him) and he teaches them that one of the characters of children of God is to bring peace to the world.Romans8: 14[1] There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.[2] For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.[3] For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:[4] That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.[5] For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.[6] For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.[7] Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.[8] So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.[9] But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.[10] And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.[11] But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.[12] Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh.[13] For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.[14] For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.Here the writer made it clear in the first verse: Romans 8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit They qualify to be the sons of God becaus they are in Christ(belive in Jesus).I think i have answered some of your questions.God bless