Christ the risen Saviour, not potential Saviour!

brightfame52 · Mar 6, 2026

Matt 1:21

21 And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins.

Acts 5:31

31 Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.

In these last and evil days the Christ of scripture has been sorely misrepresented by mans religion, for they make him out to be a possible saviour, a contingent saviour, based upon the performance of a condition by man.

However that's not the Saviour Christ of the scripture revelation, far from it. The Jesus Christ of scripture is a Saviour because He shall save [not all without exception] His People from their sins, its a word of promise, therefore conditioned on God in Christ alone ! 2

brightfame52 · Mar 8, 2026

The True Christ of the scripture, His intention in coming and dying wasnt to make Salvation potential, possible and all that , but to to be a full Saviour and to save sinners ! Here is the testimony of one who was an unbeliever and blasphmer 1 Tim 1:13-15

13 Who was before a blasphemer, and a persecutor, and injurious: but I obtained mercy, because I did it ignorantly in unbelief.

14 And the grace of our Lord was exceeding abundant with faith and love which is in Christ Jesus.

15 This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief.

Does this sound like Paul preached a potential Saviour ?

brightfame52 · Mar 9, 2026

Christs objective in giving Himself for those He died, wasnt to make their deliverance possible, but to actually deliver them from the evil world according to the will/purpose of God Gal 1:4

Who gave himself for our sins, that he might deliver us from this present evil world, according to the will of God and our Father:

That word will is the greek word thelēma:

what one wishes or has determined shall be done

of the purpose of God to bless mankind through Christ

Does any of this will of God sounds potential ?

brightfame52 · Mar 11, 2026

Christ is far beyond a mere potential Saviour, for He saves by His Grace those He died for, He intercedes for to the uttermost, from all their sins, from their unbelief and disobedience and preserves them to Glory Heb 2:10; Heb 7:25

25 Wherefore he is able also to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by him, seeing he ever liveth to make intercession for them.2

brightfame52 · Mar 13, 2026

As stated, repentance is a Gift from the Saviour. Now to be more specific, how is it applied to them its given to as a Gift, namely Gods Elect ? Peter tells us here 1 Pet 1:3

Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,

All for whom Christ died, by His Resurrection from the Dead, they shall be begotten again ! These words begotten again are in the greek anagennaó and means:

I beget again, beget into a new life.

to produce again, beget again, beget anew; metaphorically: τινα, thoroughly to change the mind of one, so that he lives a new life and one conformed to the will of God

Notice that it changes the mind of one, this being begotten again. Now what is repentance ? Its the greek word metanoia and means:

repentance, a change of mind, change in the inner man.

So this repentance that is given by and through the resurrection of Christ, being begotten again, effects a change of mind, which what primarily what repentance entails. It gives also change in the inner man.

And so repentance is confirmed to be the Gift of Christ through His resurrection from the dead, and its given to all for whom He died as their Saviour !

brightfame52 · Mar 14, 2026

Repentance in the matter of Gospel Preaching !

Repentance in the matter of Gospel message is a Salvation Gift, its an Spiritual act that can be performed only by the Spiritual man or woman, the natural man in the state of nature cant perform it, neither is called to perform it. Remember John the Baptist told the hard hearted Pharisees that came to him while performing the baptism of repentance ? Notice his words TO THEM Matt 3:7-9

7 But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees come to his baptism, he said unto them, O generation of vipers, who hath warned you to flee from the wrath to come?

8 Bring forth therefore fruits meet for repentance:

9 And think not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father: for I say unto you, that God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham.

However, Jesus teaches this Matt 7:18

18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.

Repentance toward God Acts 20:21

Testifying both to the Jews, and also to the Greeks, repentance toward God, and faith toward our Lord Jesus Christ.

Thats a Good Fruit, and such that are left in nature cant bring it forth, simply because the natural man is evil and corrupt !

Thats right those in the flesh, the natural man, cant please God Rom 8:8

8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.

Simply stated the unregenerate cant please God ! 3

amigo de christo · Mar 14, 2026

GodsGrace said:
The OP is reformed/calvinist.
So if you state that God saves us...
he understands it to mean that man has no say in the matter.
Is this what you believe?
I never thought so....

I bet if anyone of them were drowing in an ocean
and i said here is a safety line grab ahold so you can be saved
THEY would not sit and argue calivin to me .
MEANING THIS
LET US LOOK again at what JESUS himself said
IF YOU , as in YOU do NOT BELIEVE that i AM HE you shall die in your sins .
Then look at what
paul and silas told the jailor who asked them
what MUST I DO to be SAVED . and they didnt say , oh if your predestined to hell you will go there
and if you are predestined to eternal life you will recieve it .
NO THEY SAID BELEIVE ON JESUS .
Didnt they . i suggest we all do the same rather than heeding some mans verision of predestination .
I mean its real simple .
So simple a five year old child that can read the bible would say
oh if thEY bELEIVE they are saved . biNGO . BINGO .
SO allow me some parting words .
CHOOSE YE THIS DAY whom ye shall serve and BELEIVE , but as for ME ITS THE CHRIST OF GOD . real simple .

amigo de christo · Mar 14, 2026

brightfame52 said:
Matt 1:21

21 And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins.

Acts 5:31

31 Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.

In these last and evil days the Christ of scripture has been sorely misrepresented by mans religion, for they make him out to be a possible saviour, a contingent saviour, based upon the performance of a condition by man.

However that's not the Saviour Christ of the scripture revelation, far from it. The Jesus Christ of scripture is a Saviour because He shall save [not all without exception] His People from their sins, its a word of promise, therefore conditioned on God in Christ alone ! 2

You mean they actually make it seem as if one must BELEIVE ON HIM to be saved .
SO DID JESUS dude .
You act as if SAYING one must BELIEVE is some kind of works or legalism . you all been duped real bad .
SO lets see
WHEN the jailor asked PAUL and SILAS sirs what MUST I DO to be saved
THEY WERE PREACHING LEGALISMS and works to him and should rather have said
HEY MAN all is well , GOD can save you . cause if we tell you that you MUST BELEIVE we are making it contingent
and based upon the performance of a condition by man .
THIS IS TOTAL MADNESS you speak of my friend .
OF COURSE salvation is conditional . YOU HAVE TO BELIEVE ON JESUS to RECIEVE IT . they all t aught that .

BuT to you that is Dead wrong and if we say so we are basing it on works or etc . WOW .
You all been heavily duped .
THAT IS HOW GOD chose TO SAVE the WORLD .
BY THE PREACHING of the gospel to save those WHO DO BELIEVE . when does this madness end . what has
come upon this people .

amigo de christo · Mar 14, 2026

brightfame52 said:
Matt 1:21

21 And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins.

Acts 5:31

31 Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.

In these last and evil days the Christ of scripture has been sorely misrepresented by mans religion, for they make him out to be a possible saviour, a contingent saviour, based upon the performance of a condition by man.

However that's not the Saviour Christ of the scripture revelation, far from it. The Jesus Christ of scripture is a Saviour because He shall save [not all without exception] His People from their sins, its a word of promise, therefore conditioned on God in Christ alone ! 2

In these last and evil days the Christ of scripture has been sorely misrepresented by mans religion, for they make him out to be a possible saviour, a contingent saviour, based upon the performance of a condition by man.
is this what you really beleive .
That its mans religoin
to tell folks HEY , TO BE SAVED YOU MUST BELIEVE ON JESUS . wow .
YOU just managed to silence the preaching of the gospel by means of insanity .
OF COURSE salvation is b ased on a condition .
THOSE WHO BELEIVE WILL BE SAVED
those who reject WILL be damned . and that aint works , legalism o whatever ism .
THAT IS the preaching of the gospel
THAT IF YOU WILL BELEIVE FROM THE HEART that GOD has rose HIM from the dead
and confess him by mouth , YOU SHALL be saved . NOW that sounds like a CONDITION TO ME .
For with the heart man BELIEVES unto righteousenss
and confession UNTO SALVATION . but i guess they were preaching a misrepresented jesus and gospel . WOW .
No wonder the gospel preaching is being silenced more and more .

amigo de christo · Mar 14, 2026

GodsGrace said:
The OP is reformed/calvinist.
So if you state that God saves us...
he understands it to mean that man has no say in the matter.
Is this what you believe?
I never thought so....

have you been reading this stuff .
this fellow acts like telling folks YE MUST BELIEVE TO BE SAVED
is , heck i dont even have the words for it .
YOU READ what he wrote .
OF COURSE there is a condition for salvation .
ONE DOES HAVE TO BELIEVE TO BE SAVED . JESUS said IT
the apostels said it
BUT HEY if we say it , WE preaching whatever the heck he tried to say . THis is madness .
THIS will silence the preaching of the gospel .
BUT what i do say to one i do say to all .
OF COURSE salvation is based on a condition . YE MUST BELEIVE .
wow . when do and will this madness end my fr iend . I suppose the answer to my own question is
ON THE DAY OF THE LORD .

brightfame52 · Mar 14, 2026

amigo de christo said:
OF COURSE salvation is conditional . YOU HAVE TO BELIEVE ON JESUS to RECIEVE IT .

This is works Salvation and makes salvation conditioned on man

Marvelloustime · Mar 15, 2026

amigo de christo said:
have you been reading this stuff .
this fellow acts like telling folks YE MUST BELIEVE TO BE SAVED
is , heck i dont even have the words for it .
YOU READ what he wrote .
OF COURSE there is a condition for salvation .
ONE DOES HAVE TO BELIEVE TO BE SAVED . JESUS said IT
the apostels said it
BUT HEY if we say it , WE preaching whatever the heck he tried to say . THis is madness .
THIS will silence the preaching of the gospel .
BUT what i do say to one i do say to all .
OF COURSE salvation is based on a condition . YE MUST BELEIVE .
wow . when do and will this madness end my fr iend . I suppose the answer to my own question is
ON THE DAY OF THE LORD .

@amigo de christo

Marvelloustime · Mar 15, 2026

amigo de christo said:
In these last and evil days the Christ of scripture has been sorely misrepresented by mans religion, for they make him out to be a possible saviour, a contingent saviour, based upon the performance of a condition by man.
is this what you really beleive .
That its mans religoin
to tell folks HEY , TO BE SAVED YOU MUST BELIEVE ON JESUS . wow .
YOU just managed to silence the preaching of the gospel by means of insanity .
OF COURSE salvation is b ased on a condition .
THOSE WHO BELEIVE WILL BE SAVED
those who reject WILL be damned . and that aint works , legalism o whatever ism .
THAT IS the preaching of the gospel
THAT IF YOU WILL BELEIVE FROM THE HEART that GOD has rose HIM from the dead
and confess him by mouth , YOU SHALL be saved . NOW that sounds like a CONDITION TO ME .
For with the heart man BELIEVES unto righteousenss
and confession UNTO SALVATION . but i guess they were preaching a misrepresented jesus and gospel . WOW .
No wonder the gospel preaching is being silenced more and more .

@amigo de christo

Marvelloustime · Mar 15, 2026

amigo de christo said:
You mean they actually make it seem as if one must BELEIVE ON HIM to be saved .
SO DID JESUS dude .
You act as if SAYING one must BELIEVE is some kind of works or legalism . you all been duped real bad .
SO lets see
WHEN the jailor asked PAUL and SILAS sirs what MUST I DO to be saved
THEY WERE PREACHING LEGALISMS and works to him and should rather have said
HEY MAN all is well , GOD can save you . cause if we tell you that you MUST BELEIVE we are making it contingent
and based upon the performance of a condition by man .
THIS IS TOTAL MADNESS you speak of my friend .
OF COURSE salvation is conditional . YOU HAVE TO BELIEVE ON JESUS to RECIEVE IT . they all t aught that .

BuT to you that is Dead wrong and if we say so we are basing it on works or etc . WOW .
You all been heavily duped .
THAT IS HOW GOD chose TO SAVE the WORLD .
BY THE PREACHING of the gospel to save those WHO DO BELIEVE . when does this madness end . what has
come upon this people .

@amigo de christo

Fathom · Mar 15, 2026

brightfame52 said:
In man's religion, though they speak of Christ as the Saviour, they really mean that He's merely a potential Saviour and that Salvation ultimately rests in the decision or will of the sinner. In other words, its up to the sinner to make Christ a Saviour unto them.

This fallacious reasoning is error and dishonors Christ as the Saviour of His People. for its written that He shall save His People from their sins Matt 1:21, not potentially save them!

When Christ died and afterwards rose from the dead, and ascended to the Right Hand of God, He ascended as a Prince and a Saviour Acts 5:31

Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.

The word Saviour means: a savior, deliverer, preserver. None of these denote possibilities, maybes, or potentially, but actuality, He actually ascended as a Saviour, deliverer, a preserver.

Some may appeal to 1 Tim 4:10

For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.

Now does this verse state that Christ is a potential Saviour to all men ? No it doesn't, but it says God is Saviour of all men, especially of those [men] who believe!

Many pervert this scripture so it would be saying that God is a potential Saviour to all men, but an actual Saviour to them that believe. See God cant be technically a Saviour to the unsaved, for thats a contradiction, He is their God in Judgment, but not as a Saviour.

So what does the word specially mean in this verse and how can it be understood without contradicting the fact that God is a actual Saviour and not merely a Saviour, or a Saviour unto unsaved men ?

Its the greek word malista

:especially, chiefly, most of all, above all primary adverb μάλα mála (very); (adverbially) most (in the greatest degree) or particularly:—chiefly, most of all, (e-)specially.

So its a word Paul uses here to denote and clarify who particularly God in Christ is a Saviour to, not all men without exception, but particularly of they which are believers. I fact this verse should dispel the faulty idea of God being the Saviour of unbelievers. Sure, even the saved are unbelievers naturally, however they shall be brought to Faith, because the promise is, the Just/justified shall live by Faith Rom 1:17

Folks Christ rose and ascended as a Prince and a Saviour, not a potential Saviour!

The righteous yield not their children to sin and death, but triumph over them.
The wicked, though they know the sting of both, yet deliver their seed into the darkness.
But even for the wicked there is hope, for a descendant shall rise to choose the light.

GodsGrace · Mar 15, 2026

amigo de christo said:
have you been reading this stuff .
this fellow acts like telling folks YE MUST BELIEVE TO BE SAVED
is , heck i dont even have the words for it .
YOU READ what he wrote .
OF COURSE there is a condition for salvation .
ONE DOES HAVE TO BELIEVE TO BE SAVED . JESUS said IT
the apostels said it
BUT HEY if we say it , WE preaching whatever the heck he tried to say . THis is madness .
THIS will silence the preaching of the gospel .
BUT what i do say to one i do say to all .
OF COURSE salvation is based on a condition . YE MUST BELEIVE .
wow . when do and will this madness end my fr iend . I suppose the answer to my own question is
ON THE DAY OF THE LORD .

That is what the reformed/calvinist theology teaches.
God must first REGENERATE (make born again) a person...
and THEN
they become saved.

Pretty confursing, right?

Incorrect theology creates many problems and conflicts within scripture.

And you're also correct on your second point.
Calvinism does not require the preaching of the gospel
BECAUSE, as you've correctly noted, God does all the choosing,
so why would the gospel message be necessary??!

Calvinism is not biblical.

GodsGrace · Mar 15, 2026

brightfame52 said:
This is works Salvation and makes salvation conditioned on man

Works salvation is a good thing.

It's what Jesus taught and Paul and all the NT writers.

No works....
No salvation.

Man must accept the condition of Jesus in order to be saved:

THIS is the condition for salvation:

We must believe in God:

John 3:16
16 "For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life.

We must obey God:

Matthew 7:24-25
24 "Therefore everyone who hears these words of Mine and acts on them, may be compared to a wise man who built his house on the rock.

25 "And the rain fell, and the floods came, and the winds blew and slammed against that house; and yet it did not fall, for it had been founded on the rock.

brightfame52 · Mar 15, 2026

GodsGrace said:
Works salvation is a good thing.

Its a renunciation of Salvation by Grace, sorry

brightfame52 · Mar 15, 2026

Marvelloustime said:
@amigo de christo
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Yes but believing in Jesus Christ isnt a condition you do to get saved. That would be works

GodsGrace · Mar 15, 2026

brightfame52 said:
Its a renunciation of Salvation by Grace, sorry

It's what JESUS taught.

Post some scripture that proves we are regenerated first in order to be come saved.

IF someone is regenerated
it means
they are saved.

The bible does NOT teach that a person becomess saved first so that they can become saved.

Does logical thinking abandon a person when they become calvinist believers?

Please post some verse.

Christ the risen Saviour, not potential Saviour!

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