Christ the risen Saviour, not potential Saviour!

amigo de christo · Mar 15, 2026

GodsGrace said:
It's what JESUS taught.

Post some scripture that proves we are regenerated first in order to be come saved.

IF someone is regenerated
it means
they are saved.

The bible does NOT teach that a person becomess saved first so that they can become saved.

Does logical thinking abandon a person when they become calvinist believers?

Please post some verse.

logic , did you just say logic my dear sister , right now i would or might have some kind of hope of reaching this one ,
IF even a sentence that came out made sense .
I have never seen such reasoning that makes absolutely no sense .
IT would be like a man running into a house on fire
and screaming to them all , HEY if you want to b e saved
you need to get OUT of this burning b uildng
ONLY to hear the choir say as one
HEY THATS WORKS . we dont have to GET UP and get out of here to be saved from this b urning building .
Cause that would be WORKS , that would b e b asing it off a condition .
But i sure bet they would b e unable to pratice what they preach
THE momnent a flame drew nigh them . NOPE they would all be running out
fast with hands a flapping like their heads were on fire and they rears a quickly catching flame .
THEN probably REPENTING and saying OH WE SO SORRY we did a works . i never seen anything like this my friend .

GodsGrace · Mar 15, 2026

brightfame52 said:
Yes but believing in Jesus Christ isnt a condition you do to get saved. That would be works

Everything to a calvinist is a WORK.

Even though Paul SPECIFICALLY taught that works are in opposition to grace FOR JUSTIFICATION....
Calvinists insist that belief is a work...
faith is a work...
everything is a work.

Works do not JUSTIFY.

But works DO SANCTIFY.

No sanctification...
No justification...

No justification...
No salvation...

But you do not accept NT teachings.

Post some scripture please.
About how regeneration comes before salvation.

amigo de christo · Mar 15, 2026

GodsGrace said:
Everything to a calvinist is a WORK.

Even though Paul SPECIFICALLY taught that works are in opposition to grace FOR JUSTIFICATION....
Calvinists insist that belief is a work...
faith is a work...
everything is a work.

Works do not JUSTIFY.

But works DO SANCTIFY.

No sanctification...
No justification...

No justification...
No salvation...

But you do not accept NT teachings.

Post some scripture please.
About how regeneration comes before salvation.

actually i have a far better idea .
HOW about He posts the all them scrips
Where JESUS and the apostels went about preaching his ideals
RATHER THAN the MANY TIMES THEY ALL went about preaching HOW TO BE SAVED
AND THAT WAS TO BELIEVE ON JESUS CHRIST .
I would like that man to reread again the gosples , then acts ,
IN those books alone i want HIM
to see WHAT they said SAVES A MAN . and i just bet teh words and implications THA TYE MUST BELIEVE TO BE SAVED
came from the lips of every last one of them . but he calls that works . wow .
Absolutely floored by what some men call and think is truth,
To calvin and the lot of all who seem to flow with it
WHEN the jews asked peter and others
when the jailor asked paul and silas
What must WE DO to be saved
CALIVIN would say OH ABSOLUTELY NOTHING , that IS WORKS and if you see anyone
saying YE MUST BLEIEVE ON JESUS , THEY ARE PREACHING WORKS .
What a delusion sister .

brightfame52 · Mar 15, 2026

GodsGrace said:
It's what JESUS taught.

No it is not what Jesus taught

brightfame52 · Mar 15, 2026

GodsGrace said:
Everything to a calvinist is a WORK.

Its simple, if we make anything we do a condition to get saved, its works,

amigo de christo · Mar 15, 2026

brightfame52 said:
No it is not what Jesus taught

yes lets look at what JESUS taught .
IF you BELEIVE NOT that I AM HE you SHALL die in your sins .
HE who BELEIVES ON ME has eternal life .
Go into all the world baptizing them in the name of the Father Son and Holy ghost
Teaching them to observe , ALL , not some , not the par ts you like , BUT ALL things i did teach .
HE who BELIEVES shall be saved
HE who beleives not shall be damned .
ANY GUESSES WHY both paul and silas answered the jailors question
of
BUT SIRS what MUST I DO to be Saved
WITH , YE MUST BELEIVE ON JESUS .
But wait , wait , to you that is preaching A CONDITION
to you that is preaching works .
You dont even know how to teach truth at all .
Dear friend , I ALREADY KNOW that no man can call HIM LORD but by the SPIRIT
and that no man BY the SPIRIT would call him accursed . YOU don t even know
how to teach the truth and rather you make a serious and deadly er ror by HOW you do things .

Marvelloustime · Mar 15, 2026

amigo de christo said:
yes lets look at what JESUS taught .
IF you BELEIVE NOT that I AM HE you SHALL die in your sins .
HE who BELEIVES ON ME has eternal life .
Go into all the world baptizing them in the name of the Father Son and Holy ghost
Teaching them to observe , ALL , not some , not the par ts you like , BUT ALL things i did teach .
HE who BELIEVES shall be saved
HE who beleives not shall be damned .
ANY GUESSES WHY both paul and silas answered the jailors question
of
BUT SIRS what MUST I DO to be Saved
WITH , YE MUST BELEIVE ON JESUS .
But wait , wait , to you that is preaching A CONDITION
to you that is preaching works .
You dont even know how to teach truth at all .
Dear friend , I ALREADY KNOW that no man can call HIM LORD but by the SPIRIT
and that no man BY the SPIRIT would call him accursed . YOU don t even know
how to teach the truth and rather you make a serious and deadly er ror by HOW you do things .

@amigo de christo

Marvelloustime · Mar 15, 2026

amigo de christo said:
actually i have a far better idea .
HOW about He posts the all them scrips
Where JESUS and the apostels went about preaching his ideals
RATHER THAN the MANY TIMES THEY ALL went about preaching HOW TO BE SAVED
AND THAT WAS TO BELIEVE ON JESUS CHRIST .
I would like that man to reread again the gosples , then acts ,
IN those books alone i want HIM
to see WHAT they said SAVES A MAN . and i just bet teh words and implications THA TYE MUST BELIEVE TO BE SAVED
came from the lips of every last one of them . but he calls that works . wow .
Absolutely floored by what some men call and think is truth,
To calvin and the lot of all who seem to flow with it
WHEN the jews asked peter and others
when the jailor asked paul and silas
What must WE DO to be saved
CALIVIN would say OH ABSOLUTELY NOTHING , that IS WORKS and if you see anyone
saying YE MUST BLEIEVE ON JESUS , THEY ARE PREACHING WORKS .
What a delusion sister .

@amigo de christo

brightfame52 · Mar 15, 2026

amigo de christo said:
yes lets look at what JESUS taught .
IF you BELEIVE NOT that I AM HE you SHALL die in your sins .
HE who BELEIVES ON ME has eternal life .
Go into all the world baptizing them in the name of the Father Son and Holy ghost
Teaching them to observe , ALL , not some , not the par ts you like , BUT ALL things i did teach .
HE who BELIEVES shall be saved
HE who beleives not shall be damned .
ANY GUESSES WHY both paul and silas answered the jailors question
of
BUT SIRS what MUST I DO to be Saved
WITH , YE MUST BELEIVE ON JESUS .
But wait , wait , to you that is preaching A CONDITION
to you that is preaching works .
You dont even know how to teach truth at all .
Dear friend , I ALREADY KNOW that no man can call HIM LORD but by the SPIRIT
and that no man BY the SPIRIT would call him accursed . YOU don t even know
how to teach the truth and rather you make a serious and deadly er ror by HOW you do things .

No conditions for salvation is ever mentioned. Thats works

GodsGrace · Mar 15, 2026

brightfame52 said:
No conditions for salvation is ever mentioned. Thats works

Works are good.

Faith without works is a dead faith.

Phillippians 2.4-5 IS THIS A WORK? WE ARE TOLD TO DO IT.

4 do not merely look out for your own personal interests, but also for the interests of others.
5 Have this attitude in yourselves which was also in Christ Jesus,

James 2: IS THIS A WORK? WE ARE TOLD TO DO IT.

15 If a brother or sister is without clothing and in need of daily food,
16 and one of you says to them, "Go in peace, be warmed and be filled," and yet you do not give them what is necessary for their body, what use is that?

JESUS said we are to do good works:

Matthew 25: THESE ARE GOOD WORKS. WE ARE TOLD TO DO THEM.
42 for I was hungry, and you gave Me nothing to eat; I was thirsty, and you gave Me nothing to drink;
43 I was a stranger, and you did not invite Me in; naked, and you did not clothe Me; sick, and in prison, and you did not visit Me.'
44 "Then they themselves also will answer, 'Lord, when did we see You hungry, or thirsty, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not take care of You?'
45 "Then He will answer them, 'Truly I say to you, to the extent * that you did not do it to one of the least of these, you did not do it to Me.'
46 "These will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life."

brightfame52 · Mar 15, 2026

GodsGrace said:
Works are good.

Not when they are conditions for salvation, then they are evil deeds

brightfame52 · Mar 16, 2026

Scripture that confirms that Jesus Christ as Saviour gives His People repentance, by blessing them and turning them from their sins Acts 3:25-26

25 Ye are the children of the prophets, and of the covenant which God made with our fathers, saying unto Abraham, And in thy seed shall all the kindreds of the earth be blessed.

26 Unto you first God, having raised up his Son Jesus, sent him to bless you, in turning away every one of you from his iniquities.

GodsGrace · Mar 16, 2026

brightfame52 said:
Not when they are conditions for salvation, then they are evil deeds

1. How is a work, which Jesus has demanded, an evil deed?

2. Do you believe in obeying God?
God demands that we ACT on His word.

Matthew 7:24-27
24 "Therefore everyone who hears these words of Mine and acts on them, may be compared to a wise man who built his house on the rock.
25 "And the rain fell, and the floods came, and the winds blew and slammed against that house; and yet it did not fall, for it had been founded on the rock.
26 "Everyone who hears these words of Mine and does not act on them, will be like a foolish man who built his house on the sand.
27 "The rain fell, and the floods came, and the winds blew and slammed against that house; and it fell -and great was its fall."

The wise man...
who ACTED on the words of Jesus
who OBEYED Jesus
lived in a house that did not fall.

The foolish man....
who DID NOT ACT on the words of Jesus...
who DID NOT OBEY jesus
lived in a house that fell.

GodsGrace · Mar 16, 2026

brightfame52 said:
Scripture that confirms that Jesus Christ as Saviour gives His People repentance, by blessing them and turning them from their sins Acts 3:25-26

25 Ye are the children of the prophets, and of the covenant which God made with our fathers, saying unto Abraham, And in thy seed shall all the kindreds of the earth be blessed.

26 Unto you first God, having raised up his Son Jesus, sent him to bless you, in turning away every one of you from his iniquities.

Interesting.

So you're saying that ALL THE FAMILIES OF THE EARTH will be blessed by Abraham.....??

So now you admit that ALL means ALL?

That's progress I guess.

Maybe one day you'll accept that WHOSOEVER BELIEVES
means WHOSOEVER beleives.

brightfame52 · Mar 16, 2026

GodsGrace said:
How is a work, which Jesus has demanded, an evil deed?

I just told you, when they are made conditions you perform for God to save you

GodsGrace · Mar 17, 2026

brightfame52 said:
I just told you, when they are made conditions you perform for God to save you

And I'm telling YOU that there are conditions to being saved.

See-
I said so.
So it must be true !!

brightfame52 · Mar 17, 2026

GodsGrace said:
And I'm telling YOU that there are conditions to being saved.

See-
I said so.
So it must be true !!

Maybe in your false religion, but in the Truth of Jesus Christ He fulfilled all the necessary conditions to save His People from their sins, that's why He is more than a potential saviour.

GodsGrace · Mar 17, 2026

brightfame52 said:
Maybe in your false religion, but in the Truth of Jesus Christ He fulfilled all the necessary conditions to save His People from their sins, that's why He is more than a potential saviour.

So now you're watching YouTube about how Jesus was not a POTENTIAL Savior.

You should read the NT instead.

it would be better.

I'd list some conditions...but only if you ask.

brightfame52 · Mar 18, 2026

Since Christ is the Saviour of His People, not a potential saviour, everything needed to save His People from their sins, He has provided and effected through His Death, this is shown through such passages as :

Jer. 31:33, 34; Heb. 8:10-12; Ezek. 36:25-27

But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the Lord, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.

But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the Lord, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.

10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:

11 And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest.

12 For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.

25 Then will I sprinkle clean water upon you, and ye shall be clean: from all your filthiness, and from all your idols, will I cleanse you.

26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.

27 And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.

Faith and Repentance are included in these spiritual blessings, ratified unto all for whom Christ died ensuring their Salvation to the uttermost. 3

brightfame52 · Mar 20, 2026

For Christ to be the author of ones Salvation Heb 5:9

And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him;

He must have made sure of everything needed to save His people from their sins. Is Faith needed ? Is repentance needed ? All those blessing have been secured by Christ and shall be applied by Christ through His Spirit.

Christ the risen Saviour, not potential Saviour!

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