GOD's True Israel

Davy said:

Sounds like you... have made up God's Mind for Him. You also reveal you haven't read Zechariah 14 which gives the detail of where, and how, Lord Jesus returns to this earth, and with all His saints with Him. You also might want to read Acts 1 which covers where Lord Jesus ascended to Heaven from, in sight of His Apostles.

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Nah, I just read from the New Testament the plain language that God speaks about His second coming. Zechariah 14 ( along with many other chapters from the OT) is written in an allegorical or spiritual way that always points us to the New Covenant in Christ, and those whom God gave to Him. It has nothing at all to do with a nation of people any more.

A REMNANT......FROM ALL NATIONS.... NOT JUST ISRAEL 1948. You wonder just how many of those who call themselves jews will become saved. They have to act fast, however, because time is running out.

Davy said:

That above is about God's Spirit with those "four winds."

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Most interpretations suggest the four winds are symbolic for directional forces: north, south, east and west, or the four corners of the earth, The angels are holding back the judgments, so the judgments " do not blow", in other words there will be a calm, no devastation anywhere on the entire planet.
I'll surrender to that symbolic interpretation, but not yours.
God/ Jesus instructs four angels (Likely the four horsemen in Rev. 6, who bring about much devastation to the planet).
How could no harm have been suffered before this point in time - Rev. 7? Because this cannot be chronological. All the events in the seals could not have taken place yet.
So no devastion/ judgments globally, from the ends of the earth.(N, S, E, W), until these 144k are sealed. I lean on literal meanings amd so a calm before the storm is like the wind not blowing. Maybe literally _ for that moment _ it won't.

Davy said:

because the idea that some unbelievers of Israel will convert to Jesus 'during'... the coming "great tribulation" is nowhere written in God's Word,

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It is written. Try reading and studying commentaries ( since you don't have discernment and need help) Romans 11

Now I'm done. Bye

amigo de christo said:

For if i sought to please man I would NOT be the servant of Christ .
Seeker friendly literally tanked every church it entered into my friend .
It was all a sham .
It produced a generation that can say love all day long , but knows neither GOD or His love .
It has led them into accusations against the very words of GOD and those who bring such words .
It has led them to holler judge n ot any time the v ery words of GOD are brought that expose sin .
It has led them and even leads them now
to hollering Judge not , when a man says JESUS is the Only way and to be sa ved YE MUST BELEIVE ON HIM
and that all other religoins are in d arkness .
It has led them to holler what RIGHT do ye have to say that . What right have ye to say that muslims , hindus
and etc DO not know GOD and are in danger of hell fire .
It has led them to JUDGE . and not sins , not those in e rrors that need correction
BUT THEY JUDGE GOD ALL MIGHTY . GOD and HIS CHRIST , HIS WORDS are now ON TRIAL
in many churches TO BE CONDMENED . and they think is love . and its GOD behind them . NOPE its satan .
THEY may as well be HOLLERING AT GOD and HIS CHRIST
saying WHAT RIGHT HAVE YE TO SAY YE MUST BLEIEVE , WHAT RIGHT have ye haters to say
ONE must repent of sin and BELIEVE ON JESUS .
GOD , HIS CHRIST , HIS VERY WORDS are on trial IN MANY CHURCHES NOW
and they judge them as HATE SPEECH just as they judge the sheep who bring them as being haters .
HELLO CHURCHES that is what YE SEEKER FRIENDLY FOLLOW NOW .
THAT IS WHAT YOUR E CUMENICAL WHORE has led you too . JUDGING GOD .

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@amigo de christo

Davy said:

You obviously do not know what those "four winds" represent per God's Word. They are not about the weather around the earth. They are about God's Spirit.

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Here are all of the references to the "Four Winds" in the NKJV


My understanding of the Four winds is that they are the four beasts that cause strife for the people groups of the world.

Davy said:

The "dry bones" example in Ezekiel 37 ought to have been easy for your to figure out. Earthly wind that blows cannot wake up one's spirit that dwells inside their flesh. Or didn't you understand Lord Jesus in John 3 when He was comparing the event of being "born again"

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This dry bones event is NOT what the Christians have already experienced when being born again! It's a future event concerning Israel. The dry bones event is talking about the resurrection of the dead buried faithful people in graves in cemeteries, who died since the beginning of time, they will be given eternal immortal bodies ( 1 Cor. 15:51-54).
All faithful people will be resurrected and given eternal bodies but in this particular passage it is an event that enlightens Israel.
When Israel sees dead people ( dry bones in the valley) raised from the dead, they will know that Jesus is Lord.
Ezekiel's prophecy, the bones are resurrected, covered in flesh, and filled with the Spirit, symbolizing God's promise to restore Israel's national and spiritual life.

Davy said:

When I need help in God's written Word, I ask HIM about it. And if He wants me to know, He eventually shows me.

The LAST place I would look for His Truth is in men's commentaries. Those are like 2nd hand news reporters that come on after some high political figure gives a speech, etc. Those 2nd handers try to tell the public what the politician actually meant. This is why one can find a Bible commentary to fit just about every denomination out there. It shows someone is lying.

Oh, and about Romans 11. Paul said NOTHING about his brethren, the unbelieving Jews, converting to Lord Jesus PRIOR to the "fullness of the Gentiles" comes in. And that time doesn't come in until the day of Jesus' future return on the "day of the Lord", which is the LAST DAY of this present world.

So far, all you have done is follow the devil with falsely accusing me when you show you don't really even know what The Bible says as written.

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Oh, so I am being led by Satan. Nice. Now you will be perminently on ignor.

Davy said:

Again, you show your Biblical illiteracy. The "house of Israel" is directly... related to Christ's Church. God gave Ezekiel to be a prophet especially unto the "house of Israel" (ten tribes).

Of course the men you listen to who teach you the opposite of the time of Lord Jesus' future coming to gather His Church are going to lie to you about the many prophecies in the Book of Ezekiel, and in the Old Testament for that matter, which are about and to specifically the ten tribe "house of Israel" that migrated out of Assyria to Asia Minor and Europe and became the founders of Christ's early Church there. Keep listening to those men and you will stay deceived.

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Actually it makes perfect sense. You have tens of thousands of Hebrews fleeing one area of the world to become part of another. After thousands of years your ancestry is hardly noticeable, mixing with other races and cultures, becoming one with the majority of mostly Europeans.

So when the gospel comes to that country, the masses convert, thus fulfilling the scripture:

Genesis 17:5-6 KJV - 5 Neither shall thy name any more be called Abram, but thy name shall be Abraham; for a father of many nations have I made thee.
6 And I will make thee exceeding fruitful, and I will make nations of thee, and kings shall come out of thee.

" Abraham's seed" is therefore abundant because hebrews have mixed in with other nations. If Abraham was only a father to the nation of Israel or hebrews, it would not be " many nations" . It would not be " a great multitude which no man could number".

Genesis 22:17-18 KJV - 17 That in blessing I will bless thee, and in multiplying I will multiply thy seed as the stars of the heaven, and as the sand which is upon the sea shore; and thy seed shall possess the gate of his enemies;
18 And in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed; because thou hast obeyed my voice.

It's really not about a race mixed minority of people. The Israel of God is the body of Christ, in all nations.

Davy said:

The scattered ten tribes became the peoples later known as Cimmerians and Scythians. The name of the Cimmerians ('C' pronounced like a 'K', like the word Celt), is derived from the Assyrian cuneiform clay tablets of what the Assyrians called the kings of the northern ten tribe house of Israel (per translation of the tablets by University of Michigan language professor Leroy Waterman in the 1930s). That's who made up the majority of Caucasian peoples that migrated westward through the Caucasus Mountains around the Black Sea, and into Europe. And there does exist archeological evidence to prove it.

Per Genesis 49, Jacob tells his 12 sons to gather around, that he is going to tell them what would befall them in the "last days."

That means there is still a remnant from the ten northern tribes of Israel still intact, and are aware of their heritage. Some who signed the Scottish Declaration of Independence (Declaration of Arbroath) admitted knowledge of their heritage from Israel being their origin having come to the Isles from ancient Spain, and ancient Greece.

And since many of the Gentiles that existed in Asia Minor and Europe were Israelites that did lose their heritage as part of Israel, that does not necessarily mean they 'mixed' with a bunch of monkeys. The false Jews love... to spread that BS, because they want the world to think only they, the JEWS, are Israel. The Biblical Truth of that matter is that the Jews only were made up of 3 tribes, along with a small remnant of the ten tribes that left the north because of Jeroboam's calf idols, and the rest are foreigners that crept in long ago, like the Canaanites and the nations God commanded Israel to utterly wipe out when entering the Promised land. The Books of Ezra and Nehemiah even reveals how the Jews that went captive to Babylon mixed... with those Canaanites, and had children by them.

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That actually was very informative, and I have read similar accounts. The whole point of this debate or question is why do you believe jews are more important than every other race on the earth? We are far away from the Old Testament/ Covenant. It's passed away, along with this false premise that somehow these genocidal maniacs taking over the world ( not for anyone's good) are somehow still " God's chosen people".

Pierac said:

So why do we never hear a sermon or anything else on the God of Jesus Christ. The reason is that people who believe in the Trinity cannot explain this obvious fact. They have absolutely no explanation for it. They claim that God the Son cannot have a God because that would mean that there are two Gods. But there it is in black and white. Jesus has a God. Are you going to take man’s word over God’s word? Hopefully not. If Jesus has a God, there is absolutely no way that the Doctrine of the Trinity can stand without violating the most basic principle of Christianity; that there is only ONE God!

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I hear this objection from time to time. Jeremiah wrote of YHWH the God of all flesh. When the Messenger of YHWH took on flesh, He took on all that went with it. This is why He was baptized. This is why He worshipped the Father. There is no contradiction here.

Much love!

Davy said:

Well, there's evidence of another shortcoming of another Biblical matter that you are lacking in your Bible study.

Not all those who SAY... they are Jews, are actually Jews, but instead are the "synagogue of Satan" (Rev.2:9; Rev.3:9).

There's men's doctrines about what Jesus said there also that go against Biblical Truth.

One of the main reasons why those in Christ are to study ALL... their Bible, is because of how the crept in unawares of Jude 4 began creeping in among the children of Israel early in their history. God had commanded the children of Israel when entering the holy land to literally wipe out certain nations dwelling in Canaan, per Deuteronomy 20. In Judges 2 & 3 God rebuked Israel because they failed in that, so God said He would leave those foreigner pagans alone to dwell among the children of Israel, to see if Israel would follow Him, or not. To this day this is still in effect, especially among those who call themselves Jews.

Per 1 Chronicles 2:55, Israel's scribes in charge of keeping the letters of God's written Word, came from the Kenites, a nation of the land of Canaan per Genesis 15. When the blind Pharisees sought to kill Jesus, those Kenite scribes were with them against Jesus.

Per 1 Kings 9, the leftover Canaanites which Israel was not able to destroy became bondservants to Israel. some of them became Nethinims (temple servants to the Levite priests). Per Ezra 2, some of them had even become priests in Israel. And per the end of the Book of Ezra, it was revealed how the Jews captive in Babylon mixed with many of the Canaanites, and had children by them.

By the time of Lord Jesus' 1st coming, they were already in the seat of Moses, the law.

That's who had Jesus crucified, and the rest of the Jews were blinded.

In Jeremiah 24, God revealed two baskets of figs by vision to Jeremiah, one basket of good figs which represent Judah, and the other basket of evil figs. God said He would bring both of those back to the Holy Land and never remove them again. That began in stages after the 70 A.D. destruction by the Romans, and officially when Israel became a nation again in 1948. But even throughout all those years, God had promised He would always leave one tribe at Jerusalem for Jerusalem's sake, and for David's sake (See 1 Kings 11).

Thus there exists 'true Jews' of the seed of the 3-tribe "house of Judah", and then there exist false Jews who only say... they are Jews, and are not, but are from the pagan foreigners that crept in. This is the mystery of the "tares" in Christ's parable of the tares of the field in Matthew 13. The crept in unawares represent Satan's children, and the good wheat represents the true seed of Israel, God's chosen.

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I agree with your analysis with, of course, one exception. The people you mentioned that were supposed to be wiped out by the Israelites, well, they mixed in with the Israelites, turning the true Hebrew's heart away from God with their idols.

So, The synagogue of Satan you mentioned is Israel 1948, a historical culmination of the seed of Esau STEALING THE OT ISRAEL IDENTITY.

Modern jews are a mixed race of people with a religion that seeks to control the world and usher in their " messiah". Israel was literally founded not spiritually, as a revelation from God, but through terrorism and politics. The Two world wars were the basis for securing the land through a deal made with Great Britain and the Rothschilds. It's called the Balfour Declaration, and it was pure manipulation by Zionist jews to acquire a " homeland", and at first they weren't even going to call it " Israel".

That's a quick synopsis. It's common knowledge. But I do see that you are putting the pieces together.

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Davy said:

What those Bible references I showed you is that there still is a TRUE SEED of Israelites among the JEWS. You need to READ and HEED what Apostle Paul taught about his brethren the Jews in Romans 11, that God has put the "spirit of slumber" away from The Gospel upon them on the majority of them for this present world time, and that eventually when the fullness of the Gentiles comes in (at Christ's coming), their blindness will be removed, and then they will believe on Jesus Christ.

Christ's Salvation is also open to those "tares" that crept in too IF... they will believe on Lord Jesus Christ as The Savior and follow Him.

And remember, other than the crept in unawares, the JEWS represent Biblically and per real history, the tribes of Judah, Benjamin, and Levi, and a small remnant out of the northern ten tribes that sided with Judah when Jeroboam set up cal idol worship in the north. Those represent actual SEED of Israel. Just not the crept in unawares strangers that became 'religious' Jews long ago.

So don't be illiterate and play Jewitis with those who hate the Jews.

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First of all, I don't hate anyone. I hate their sinful actions. The reality is that jewish supremacists are working on world governance through AI. They are not doing this for the good of humanity. If they do not repent of their wickedness they will be destroyed by the brightness of Christ's second and final coming.

So, the book of Galatians puts clarity to the highly debated Romans 11.

Galstians 3:16:
Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises spoken. He does not say, “And to seeds,” referring to many, but referring to one, “And to your seed,” who is Christ.

Romans 11:1 I say then, has God cast away His people? By no means! For I too am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin. 2 God has not cast away His people whom He foreknew.

Whom did God foreknow? HIS SEED, the seed of Christ.

The back and forth usually ends up with the claim, " all Israel" shall be saved, so there! But everyone likes to skip over the language regarding the remnant of jews and Gentiles, or the ELECT ( chosen). They are what makes up "ALL ISRAEL".

Romans 11:2-5:
God has not cast away His people whom He foreknew. Or do you not know what the Scripture says in Elijah, how he pleads with God against Israel, saying, 3 “Lord, they have killed Your prophets and torn down Your altars, and I alone am left, and they are seeking my life”? 4 But what is God's reply to him? “I have reserved for Myself seven thousand men who have not bowed the knee to Baal.” 5 So too then, at this present time, there is also a remnant according to the election of grace.

Romans 9:6-8:
But it is not as though the word of God has failed. For not all those of Israel are of Israel, 7 nor are they all children because they are the seed of Abraham; but, “In Isaac your descendants shall be called.” 8 That is, those who are the children of the flesh are not the children of God; but it is the children of the promise that are regarded as descendants.

The " children of promise" are the seed of Christ.

Galatians 3:17-18:
And this I say, that the law, which was four hundred and thirty years later, does not annul the covenant previously confirmed to Christ by God, so that it make the promise of no effect. 18 For if the inheritance comes by the law, it is no longer of promise; but God has given it to Abraham by promise.

Galatians 3:28 -29:
There is neither Jew nor Greek, neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus. 29 And if you are Christ's, then you are Abraham's descendants, and heirs according to the promise.

The promise is eternal life through Jesus Christ to all of His people, jew and Gent, " ALL ISRAEL".