Who Killed Jesus according to Isaiah 53?

Taken said:

Who Killed Jesus according to Isaiah 53?

Agree.

The Jewish Pharisees wanted Jesus killed…But had NO Legal authority to kill Him.

Jesus was ultimately, literally killed:
By the Jews,
Under the Authority of Roman Law,
Under the Authority of God,
and
Under the Authority of Christ Jesus Himself.

Jesus’ Death was precisely A part of Gods Plan and Jesus’ Agreement to fulfill.

The Timing of “when”, was precisely, According to God.

The “manner” /and “notability” …
Meaning:
Gruesome, Crucifixion…
Largely attended, Largely Witnessed…
Was precisely according to God.

And thereafter the Rising up and Again Seen by Large Numbers of Witnesses…
Was precisely according to God.

Glory to God,
Taken

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ProDeo said:

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                      ESV 2011                          |           Septuagint / LXX                          |
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Isa 53:1 Who has believed what he has heard from us?    | 1 O Lord, who has believed our report? and to       |
And to whom has the arm of the LORD been revealed?      | whom has the arm of the Lord been revealed?         |
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Isa 53:2 For he grew up before him like a young plant,  | 2 We brought a report as of a child before him;     |
and like a root out of dry ground; he had no form or    | he is asa root in a thirsty land: he has no         |
maIsaty that we should look at him, and no beauty that  | form nor comeliness;and we saw him, but he had      |
we should desire him.                                   | no form nor beauty.                                 |
                                                        |                                                     |
Isa 53:3 He was despised and rejected by men; a man of  | 3 But his form was ignoble, and inferior to that    |
sorrows, and acquainted with grief; and as one from     | of the children of men; he was a man in suffering,  |
whom men hide their faces he was despised, and we       | and acquainted with the bearing of sickness, for    |
esteemed him not.                                       | his face is turned from us: he was dishonoured,     |
                                                        | and not esteemed.                                   |
                                                        |                                                     |
Isa 53:4 Surely he has borne our griefs and carried our | 4 He bears our sins, and is pained for us: yet      |
sorrows; yet we esteemed him stricken, smitten by God,  | we accounted him to be in trouble, and in           |
and afflicted.                                          | suffering, and in affliction.                       |
                                                        |                                                     |
Isa 53:5 But he was pierced for our transgressions;     | 5 But he was wounded on account of our sins, and    |
he was crushed for our iniquities; upon him was the     | was bruised because of our iniquities: the          |
chastisement that brought us peace, and with his        | chastisement of our peace was upon him; and         |
wounds we are healed.                                   | by his bruises we were healed.                      |
                                                        |                                                     |
Isa 53:6 All we like sheep have gone astray; we have    | 6 All we as sheep have gone astray; every one has   |
turned—every one—to his own way; and the LORD has laid  | gone astray in his way; and the Lord gave him up    |
on him the iniquity of us all.                          | for our sins.                                       |
                                                        |                                                     |
Isa 53:7 He was oppressed, and he was afflicted, yet    | 7 And he, because of his affliction, opens not his  |
he opened not his mouth; like a lamb that is led to     | mouth: he was led as a sheep to the slaughter, and  |
the slaughter, and like a sheep that before its         | as a lamb before the shearer is dumb, so he opens   |
shearers is silent, so he opened not his mouth.         | not his mouth.                                      |
                                                        |                                                     |
Isa 53:8 By oppression and judgment he was taken        | 8 In his humiliation his judgment was taken away:   |
away; and as for his generation, who considered         | who shall declare his generation? for his life      |
that he was cut off out of the land of the living,      | is taken away from the earth: because of the        |
stricken for the transgression of my people?            | iniquities of my people he was led to death.        |
                                                        |                                                     |
Isa 53:9 And they made his grave with the wicked and    | 9 And I will give the wicked for his burial, and    |
with a rich man in his death, although he had done no   | the rich for his death; for he practised no         |
violence, and there was no deceit in his mouth.         | iniquity, nor craft with his mouth.                 |
                                                        |                                                     |
Isa 53:10 Yet it was the will of the LORD to crush      | 10 The Lord also is pleased to purge him from his   |
him; he has put him to grief; when his soul makes an    | stroke. If ye can give an offering for sin, your    |
offering for guilt, he shall see his offspring; he      | soul shall see a long-lived seed:                   |
shall prolong his days; the will of the LORD shall      |                                                     |
prosper in his hand.                                    |                                                     |
                                                        |                                                     |
Isa 53:11 Out of the anguish of his soul he shall see   | 11 the Lord also is pleased to take away from the   |
and be satisfied; by his knowledge shall the righteous  | travail of his soul, to shew him light, and to form |
one, my servant, make many to be accounted righteous,   | him with understanding; to justify the just one     |
and he shall bear their iniquities.                     | who serves many well; and he shall bear their sins. |
                                                        |                                                     |
Isa 53:12 Therefore I will divide him a portion with    | 12 Therefore he shall inherit many, and he shall    |
the many, and he shall divide the spoil with the        | divide the spoils of the mighty; because his soul   |
strong, because he poured out his soul to death and was | was delivered to death: and he was numbered among   |
numbered with the transgressors; yet he bore the sin    | the transgressors; and he bore the sins of many,    |
of many, and makes intercession for the transgressors.  | and was delivered because of their iniquities.      |

Left is the masoretic text (~AD 1000) we use today, right the Septuagiant or LXX (~BC 200) used in the time of Jesus and the apostles.

Note the differences.

Then there is also a translation of Isa 53 from the Dead Sea scrolls.

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Stumpmaster said:

The interpretation presented in Episode 241 grates against the New Testament. The podcast’s reading of Isaiah 53 is intentionally provocative, but it does collide with several core NT themes — especially the purpose of the incarnation and the logic of divine love in John 3:16.

Here I use my resources to challenge the theological position of the podcast in a way that’s clear, biblically grounded, and fair‑minded — without attacking the podcasters themselves.

Where Their View Collides With the New Testament​

1. The NT consistently presents the incarnation as purposeful, not accidental​

The podcast argues that Jesus’ death is purely the result of human violence, not divine intention.
But the NT repeatedly frames the incarnation as aimed toward the cross:

• “The Son of Man came to give His life as a ransom for many.” (Mark 10:45)
• “For this reason I was born and for this reason I came into the world…” (John 18:37)
• “Behold, the Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world.” (John 1:29)

The NT does not treat the crucifixion as a tragic accident of history.
It treats it as the very mission of the Son.

If the cross is only a revelation of human violence, the incarnation becomes strangely pointless — a divine visit that just happened to end badly.

2. John 3:16 explicitly ties God’s love to the giving of His Son​

John 3:16 does not say:

• “God loved the world, and humans killed His Son.”

It says:

• “God gave His only Son.”

The verb is deliberate, intentional, and rooted in divine love.
The giving is not passive. It is purposeful.

If God did not “give” the Son to die, then John 3:16 loses its theological force.
The podcast’s model struggles to explain why God “gave” the Son at all.

3. The NT repeatedly affirms that Christ’s death was both human AND divine in agency​

The early church held two truths together:

✔ Humans killed Jesus​

Acts 2:23 — “You crucified and killed Him by the hands of lawless men.”

✔ God offered Jesus​

The same verse: “This Jesus… was delivered up according to the definite plan and foreknowledge of God.”

The podcast collapses the tension by removing the divine side entirely.

But the NT refuses to choose one over the other, and insists on both.

4. Atonement is not merely revelation — it is redemptive​

The NT does not present the cross as only a mirror exposing human violence.

It presents it as:

• propitiation (Romans 3:25)
• reconciliation (2 Corinthians 5:19)
• redemption (Ephesians 1:7)
• bearing sins (1 Peter 2:24)
• destroying the works of the devil (1 John 3:8)

If Jesus’ death is only a revelation of human cruelty, these categories collapse.

The NT’s language is too rich, too varied, and too intentional to be reduced to “humans killed Him, and God just watched.”

So what’s the real issue?​

The podcast is reacting against a caricature of atonement — the idea that God is bloodthirsty or needs violence to forgive.

Fair enough., but in reacting, they swing the pendulum too far.

They end up with:

• a non‑incarnational Christ
• a non‑redemptive cross
• a God who “loves” but does not “give”
• a gospel without substitution, sacrifice, or divine initiative

It’s a theology of revelation without redemption, and that simply isn’t the New Testament.

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