Christ the risen Saviour, not potential Saviour!

brightfame52 said:

No conditions for salvation is ever mentioned. Thats works

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JESUS said YE MUST BELEIVE on HIM
and later so did the apostels .
This sheep BELEIVES their WORDS and HIS gospel which they all taught .
SO here is a reminder
by one of them .
FOR IF WE NEGLECT SO GREAT A SALVATION

brightfame52 said:

For Christ to be the author of ones Salvation Heb 5:9

And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him;

He must have made sure of everything needed to save His people from their sins. Is Faith needed ? Is repentance needed ? All those blessing have been secured by Christ and shall be applied by Christ through His Spirit.

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do i see a condition . YOU BET I do . Unto all them that OBEY HIM .
Thanks for bringing such a lovely reminder my friend . Now LETS BELEIVE THAT REMIN DER shall we .

GodsGrace said:

And I'm telling YOU that there are conditions to being saved.


See-
I said so.
So it must be true !!

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Now the real question is , DID JESUS SAY SO .
OH YES HE DID .
And it always amounted to , YE MUST BELEIVE ON HIM for to be saved , to have salvation
to have life e ternal . He ev en mentiones WE NEED to be hearers and doers .
That one must continue to the end .
How come i see so many reminders about salvation , about life eternal
and etc
IN THE BIBLE and they all seemed to have a condition attached . AS IN YE MUST BELIEVE .
yet today , as you can see , we are having more and more having a problem with
the YE MUST BELEIVE IN HIM to be saved .
And just as bad is those who teach in HIS name and yet try and turn him into the minstir and acceptor of certain sins
and EVEN UNBELEIF . Do you ever get the feeling something has went and is going dead wrong
within a lot of christendom . IT IS .
Through the love of the world that serves the lusts of the flesh
WE HAVE A WHOLE other image of God , of Christ , of love being presented .
ONL Y upon exmaination of its love , of its tolerance , of its acceptance , of its im age
IT SURE look LIKE IT BE of the devil and has led this people into rebellion against , agaisnt THE ONLY GOD AND HIS CHRIST
that could have saved them . And folks thought satan was not wise . OH BUT HE IS , wise unto the wisdom
of men . ONLY BY FAITH IN JESUS CHRIST can one overcome him and his co workers .
FOR greater is HE that is in the sheep than he that is of the world .

brightfame52 said:

Obeying Him isnt a condition, its a consequence of Him being the Captain of their Salvation

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Kinda odd that was not how it was written .
THOUGH i already know its BY HIM , BY HIS SPIRIT , the SPIRIT given unto THOSE WHO DO BLEIEVE in HIM
that we can worship and obey HIM as HE has always desired .
FOR IT Is he who giveth us the desire and ability to DO SO . we are HIS workmanship created IN CHRIST
unto GOOD works .
So here this
TELLING folks ye MUST BELIEVE TO BE SAVED , is NOT wrong , its not legalism , its not in error .
ITS DIRE NECESSARY . For how can they hear lest ....
You folks are silencing the gospel and probably dont mean too , BUT YOU ARE .
You have also silenced the words of correction and those who call for repentance of sins
U NDER GUISE THAT TOO IS LEGALISM . only ITS NOT , ITS HE working within HIS OWN CHRUCH
to KEEP his own church safe . AND HE DO USE the sheep to do so .
ALL these reminders , all the warnings , all the correction , all promises are MEANT to be
spoken for the good of the church , as well as the gospel spread to the world .
Now enough with the biblolatry accusations , AS IF LOVING TRUTH is IDOLATRY . yeah PONDER ON THAT ONE FOR ABIT .
Folks act like those who love and use the words written in the bible
ARE GUILTY OF IDOLATRY and yet they themselves SURE DO LOVE TO IDOLIZE the twisted words of men
as THOUGH THEY be of GOD . WELL i KNOW THE WORDS in that bible were inspired by GOD .
ITS the words of these men in pulpits and of the world , WE MUST WATCH OUT for .

amigo de christo said:

Kinda odd that was not how it was written .
THOUGH i already know its BY HIM , BY HIS SPIRIT , the SPIRIT given unto THOSE WHO DO BLEIEVE in HIM
that we can worship and obey HIM as HE has always desired .
FOR IT Is he who giveth us the desire and ability to DO SO . we are HIS workmanship created IN CHRIST
unto GOOD works .
So here this
TELLING folks ye MUST BELIEVE TO BE SAVED , is NOT wrong , its not legalism , its not in error .
ITS DIRE NECESSARY . For how can they hear lest ....
You folks are silencing the gospel and probably dont mean too , BUT YOU ARE .
You have also silenced the words of correction and those who call for repentance of sins
U NDER GUISE THAT TOO IS LEGALISM . only ITS NOT , ITS HE working within HIS OWN CHRUCH
to KEEP his own church safe . AND HE DO USE the sheep to do so .
ALL these reminders , all the warnings , all the correction , all promises are MEANT to be
spoken for the good of the church , as well as the gospel spread to the world .
Now enough with the biblolatry accusations , AS IF LOVING TRUTH is IDOLATRY . yeah PONDER ON THAT ONE FOR ABIT .
Folks act like those who love and use the words written in the bible
ARE GUILTY OF IDOLATRY and yet they themselves SURE DO LOVE TO IDOLIZE the twisted words of men
as THOUGH THEY be of GOD . WELL i KNOW THE WORDS in that bible were inspired by GOD .
ITS the words of these men in pulpits and of the world , WE MUST WATCH OUT for .

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@amigo de christo

For me the idea of Jesus being a potential saviour seems to detach Christ from our lives. From being an active live spirit working in our lives. Not some potential Jesus that is yet to manifest in us.

I also think in relegating Jesus as a potential saviour this also opens up for Him being rationalised into a different kind of saviour. One that suits the potential of the person rather than the potential in Christ. As though lowering the bar to suit what the person thinks is good enough in Christ.

We see many versions of Christ today and it sems He is being compromised to fit with the overriding secular ideology of accommodation and some new age Guru like other Gurus.

Rather than taking Christ at His word and trusting in the tranforming spirit based on a reality that by simply beliving in Christ we are born again and alive in Christ. Not just in the afterlife but also in the here and now. Christ said He gives life, a fullness of life.

brightfame52 said:

But its not odd you cant understand truth

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its odd all right . but not that i do not understand truth
but that a lot of your focus and posts
DONT seem to sound and or to do or even resemble
the approach that BOTH CHRIST HIMSELF and later the apostels had .
What did JESUS go about doing .
What was His message to the peoples
What was the message that the apostels later preached to the peoples and the gentiles .
A HINT
I BET all i own and have IT HAD THE WORDS YE MUST BELEIVE IN JESUS THE CHRIST
How abouts we PREACH THAT . YE MUST BELEIEVE to BE SAVED .
But in case that sounds like a lack of understanding T RUTH to YOU
I shall leave you with the words of JESUS first
and later the words of the true ones .
if you BELEIVE NOT that I AM HE you WILL DIE in your sins .
But wait that might not be good enough for you , THOUGH for me it would be .
How about a real qood question asked by a man that wanted to KNOW HOW he could be saved .
What must I DO to be saved .
Now notice the true ones did not say , HEY jailor THAT WOULD BE WO RKS
we cant tell you what YOU MUST DO , cause that would be works .
NO . I SURE DIDNT SEE them say that . IN fact i will tell you real clearly what they SAID .
THEY SAID , both paul and silas to the jailor who had asked the most important question OF HIS LIFE ,
BELEIVE O N THE LORD JESUS and YOU SHALL BE SAVED .
SO GUESS what i am going to say . THE SAME THING PADNAH .
I KNOW JESUS SAVES and I KNOW by grace preaching that fact that one must BELEIVE
aint a lack of t rusting TRUTH either . SORRY bud but I TRUST JESUS , HIS WORDS
I SUGGEST YOU flee calvin or whatever it is you follow . TIME WE AS CHILDREN just TRUST JESUS ,
which means WE HAD TRUSTED HIS DOCTRINE . SPECIALLY THE WORDS
that said YE MUST BELEIVE IN HIM TO BE SAVED .

brightfame52 said:

He Shall save !

Matt 1:21

21 And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name Jesus: for he shall save his people from their sins.

These three words declare the impossibility of Jesus failing to save. They erase the false concept that He is merely a potential saviour. God sent the angel to make known this is his name. Therefore, God joined his glory to this statement. The glory of God’s immutability is joined to his name: God changes not therefore he shall save. The glory of God’s faithfulness is joined to his name: God is faithful that promised so he shall save. The glory of God’s truthfulness is joined to his name: God cannot lie so he shall save. The glory of God’s grace and righteousness is joined to his name: the Lord must be made known to be just and Justifier so he shall save. 3

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Those who BELEIVE are those who shall be saved .
You just used truth to make a bad point my friend .
you forgot something HUGE .
SEE that savoir you wrote about , the one who shall save his people .
HE did come , THAT SAME SAVOIR SAID YE MUST BELEIVE . oopsy . you are in serious trouble my friend .
SINCE when has GOD ever once HONORED UNBELEIF . And ME oh my
IF one bleieves NOT the testimony that GOD gave of THE SON
HE is calling GOD a liar .

brightfame52 said:

He Shall save !

Matt 1:21

21 And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name Jesus: for he shall save his people from their sins.

These three words declare the impossibility of Jesus failing to save. They erase the false concept that He is merely a potential saviour. God sent the angel to make known this is his name. Therefore, God joined his glory to this statement. The glory of God’s immutability is joined to his name: God changes not therefore he shall save. The glory of God’s faithfulness is joined to his name: God is faithful that promised so he shall save. The glory of God’s truthfulness is joined to his name: God cannot lie so he shall save. The glory of God’s grace and righteousness is joined to his name: the Lord must be made known to be just and Justifier so he shall save. 3

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ONE MUST BELIEVE to be saved .
What is it that truly pleases GOD . Why faith of course .
The just shall live by faith .
But if one believes NOT HIM , well then THIS DID NOT DO ABRAHAM .
ABRAHAM BELEIVED GOD and it was counted unto him for righteousness .
HE BELEIVED GOD .
Yet today more and more in even the house of christendom
SURE DONT SEEM to BELEIVE GOD who DID TESTIFY ON THE SON
For if one beleives NOT the testimony that GOD gave of the SON
THEY DO CALL GOD A LIAR .
and THIS DID NOT DO ABRAHAM whose FAITH WAS IN GOD .
TIME T OREMIND AL Lof the DIRE NEED to BLEIEVE ON CHRISTJESUS
and to get them into the scrips to learn . Many are now in love and in love with a lie .
But do beware that too . FOR HE who loves and makes a lie , LAKE OF FIRE.
WE better preach JESUS with the dire reminder that YE MUST BELIEVE ON HIM
and That he is not the minstir of any sin , INCLUDING UNBELEIF .

brightfame52 said:

False, pne must be one for whom it was promised that Jesus shall save them from their sins. They werent a believer b4 Jesus saved them from their sins.

Paul was an ignorant unbeliever b4 Jesus saved him from his sin, his unbelief and ignorance wasnt a hinderance 1 Tim 1:13-15

13 Who was before a blasphemer, and a persecutor, and injurious: but I obtained mercy, because I did it ignorantly in unbelief.

14 And the grace of our Lord was exceeding abundant with faith and love which is in Christ Jesus.

15 This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief.

One cant believe until they are saved by grace.

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you dont even know how to present the truth .
You act as if saying one must beleive to be saved is IN ERROR .
Shame on thee . shame on you for siting under calivin or the likes of that man .
I already KNOW its GOD who draws us to Christ
You dont even know how to explain it right . YOU act as if a man saying ONE must BELIEVE TO BE SAVED is NOW IN ERROR .
You got duped real badly .
But so that you can see your own error , I DO HIGHLY SUGGEST you read ag ain WHAT JESUS said .
and later what the apostels went about doing in hopes some would be saved .
I BET dollars to donuts the words YE MUST BELIEVE ON CHRIST , WAS DARN SURE INCLUDED IN THIER SPEEcHES .
You have no idea what you say . You only use partial truths but do so in a way that ATTACKS
the very ones DOING the PREACHING OF THE GOSPEL of YE MUST BELEIVE to be saved .
AND YOU cannot even see YOU DO this . LET GO of what YE THINK
and restart again IN the scrips for yourself .

brightfame52 said:

False those who it was said He shall save from their sins shall be saved. They weren't believers before He saved them from their sins.

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look at what you are doing . you are using a truth TO SILENCE THE TRUTH . that is bad .
Paul said more than once YE MUST BELIEVE
that if ONE WILL CONFESS
You act like paul contradicts himself .
THEY WENT ABOUT TELLING ALL of the dire necessity TO BELEIEVE ON JESUS to be saved .
YOU go around and would have silenced THEM and said HEY you talk falsely .
YOU have no idea of the delusion that has come upon you . S TOP using truths to silence the gospel of YE MUST BELEIVE
to be saved . THEY ALL PREACHED IT . and yes they all knew IT was GOD who draws one to Christ .
BUT YOU dont know HOW to explain anything right . ALL you know is
YOU GOTTTA SILENCE THE MOUTH OF THOSE WHO SAY YE MUST BLEIEVE TO BE SAVED .
IN effect making you NOW an enemy of those who preach the very gospel by which if one beleives HE WOULD BE SAVED .
Talk about a delusion . talk about a smoke screen . calvin duped you all
and heck i dont even know if he would have said what you do . IT just goes from bad to worse now .