Thats you. You brought up keeping a commandment and that as a condition to get saved
Christ the risen Saviour, not potential Saviour!
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Yes, and Jesus will say why one doesnt believe in Him Jn 10:26
26 But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you.
Didnt He die for His Sheep ? Jn 10:11,15
amigo de christo
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i already know that .
AND THE SAME JESUS also said and went about SAYING
IF YE BELIEVE NOT that i am HE you will die in your sins .
The same JESUS also said to his own
GO YE and preach the gospel to all
YOU KNOW the one that says YE MUST BELEIVE ON HIM to be sav ed . THAT ONE
And that he who beleives shall BE SAVED and he who beleives not A BIG FAT DAMANTION .
YOU cherry pick and STILL cannot explain your self .
I ALREADY TOLD you and more than once
NO MAN can call HIM LORD but by the SPIRIT
But you just keep on keeping on with your nonsense preaching against those who SAID THE SAME THING JESUS DID
and later teh apostels did to THE PEOPLES
YE MUST BELEIVE TO BE SAVED . man you got things messed up bad in that brain my friend .
amigo de christo
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Then rebuke JOHN cause he said it first . You think i am grabbing things out of thin air .
ITS OBVIOUS you DO NOT KNOW the scriptures .
What you do know is TWISTED scrips . BUT NOT THE SCRIPS and not the AUTHOR of said scrips .
OR YOU would not be hammering
on anyone who goes about saying YE MUST BELEIVE ON JESUS to be saved .
You act like its legalism . SOMETHING has went bad and i mean horribly wrong with you .
And seeing I NOTICED YOU DUCKED ALL THREE questions i sent ya
I now believe that st rong feeling HAS DARN sure be confirmed . YOU beleive A LIE . no doubt
about it . NO doubt in my mind .
NO MAN of GOD would go ab out hammering on anyone
preaching the DIRE NEED TO BELIEVE ON JESUS TO BE SAVED . NO MAN . or woman either for that matter .
Obviously you dont understand it. Those He died for shall believe, hear His voice and believe and follow Him Jn 10:27-28
27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:
28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.
Even Sheep that had not yet heard and believed, they shall hear and believe Jn 10:16
16 And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.
They[Sheep] shall ear is future tense indicative
Because theyre sheep its a certain fact they will believe.
Believing in Jesus is a benefit of His death for you
Its nothing wrong with John saying it, He writing to believers already saved. You talking about lost, unregenerate people need to keep a commandment to get saved. John didnt teach that blasphemous heresy.
amigo de christo
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lost people need to hear about Christ . Brightfame you are on your own .
It breaks my heart to have to do that to you . but you DO not listen . So i leave you to yourself . I can only pray for you .
Marvelloustime
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1 Jn 4:9
9 In this was manifested the love of God toward us, because that God sent his only begotten Son into the world, that we might live through him.
This scripture reveals an dynamic of the Cross of Christ, why He died for His people, so that they might live through or because of Him. So the preaching of the Cross is the Power of God, His Death is the Power of God and Gods Love manifested. His Death ensures life, spiritual life for everyone He died, the cross is a power itself—the sovereign power of God. Since God, out of His great love, sent Christ to die for His people that through His death we might have life, that death must save and give life to all the objects of God’s love. The cross does not make salvation possible for all so that anyone can have it, if they will only take it. Christ’s death actually saves God’s elect people. “For the Son of man is come to seek and to save that which was lost” (Luke 19:10). In His death on the cross Christ did not merely make provision for salvation. He actually obtained salvation. Thus we read, “Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us” (Heb. 9:12). It is the very power that saves. The apostle teaches that when he says, “But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness; but unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God” (I Cor. 1:23-24). Indeed, “Christ crucified” is the “power of God”-the sovereign effectual power of God that does actually save His people from all sin. God loves His people, Christ has died for them, surely then, they will all be saved.
A large portion of this is quoted from an article by Steve Houck
God’s Sovereignty in Salvation – CPRC section
9 In this was manifested the love of God toward us, because that God sent his only begotten Son into the world, that we might live through him.
This scripture reveals an dynamic of the Cross of Christ, why He died for His people, so that they might live through or because of Him. So the preaching of the Cross is the Power of God, His Death is the Power of God and Gods Love manifested. His Death ensures life, spiritual life for everyone He died, the cross is a power itself—the sovereign power of God. Since God, out of His great love, sent Christ to die for His people that through His death we might have life, that death must save and give life to all the objects of God’s love. The cross does not make salvation possible for all so that anyone can have it, if they will only take it. Christ’s death actually saves God’s elect people. “For the Son of man is come to seek and to save that which was lost” (Luke 19:10). In His death on the cross Christ did not merely make provision for salvation. He actually obtained salvation. Thus we read, “Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us” (Heb. 9:12). It is the very power that saves. The apostle teaches that when he says, “But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness; but unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God” (I Cor. 1:23-24). Indeed, “Christ crucified” is the “power of God”-the sovereign effectual power of God that does actually save His people from all sin. God loves His people, Christ has died for them, surely then, they will all be saved.
A large portion of this is quoted from an article by Steve Houck
God’s Sovereignty in Salvation – CPRC section
God’s Love and the Cross
Lol, surely not the false christ you believe in, the one who made salvation potential
amigo de christo
Well-Known Member
Behold wonder and perish for i work a work in your days that you will in no wise BELEIVE .
Peter said that
When speaking of Those who would fail to BELEIVE on JESUS .
JESUS warned of the dire need TO BELIEVE ON HIM or perish .
They all did . For there is only one NAME given man under heaven by which we CAN be sa ved . JESUS THE CHRIST .
and now a question .
What must I DO to be saved .
BELIEVE ON THE LORD JESUS CHRIST and ye shall be saved . THEY said it . SO I SAY IT TOO .
Peter said that
When speaking of Those who would fail to BELEIVE on JESUS .
JESUS warned of the dire need TO BELIEVE ON HIM or perish .
They all did . For there is only one NAME given man under heaven by which we CAN be sa ved . JESUS THE CHRIST .
and now a question .
What must I DO to be saved .
BELIEVE ON THE LORD JESUS CHRIST and ye shall be saved . THEY said it . SO I SAY IT TOO .
Marvelloustime
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Jesus Christ as Saviour !
Matt 1:2121 And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins.
Acts 5:31
31 Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.
In these last and evil days the Christ of scripture has been sorely misrepresented by mans religion, for they make him out to be a possible saviour, a contingent saviour, based upon the performance of a condition by man.
However thats not the Saviour Christ of the scripture revelation, far from it. The Jesus Christ of scripture is a Saviour because He shall save [not all without exception] His People from their sins, its a word of promise, therefore conditioned on God in Christ alone ! 1
Mans religion will tell us that Christ is a Saviour unto people who never are saved, however thats a contradiction to the very definition and role of Christ the Saviour. If you ask them why is Christ the Saviour of lost people they will tell you because the person didnt repent or something of that nature, however a impenitent heart is one of the many sins Christ saves His People from as a Saviour. He in the capacity of Saviour gives repentance Acts 5:31
31 Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.
31 Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.
Acts 5:31
31 Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.
And since Christ as Saviour gives Repentance, He also gives faith or belief of the Truth. You cant have one without the other 2 Tim 2:25
In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth
Christ as Saviour bestows both repentance and acknowledgement of the truth on His Israel, the Church, His Sheep 1
31 Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.
And since Christ as Saviour gives Repentance, He also gives faith or belief of the Truth. You cant have one without the other 2 Tim 2:25
In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth
Christ as Saviour bestows both repentance and acknowledgement of the truth on His Israel, the Church, His Sheep 1
Also those whom Christ is a Saviour to, not only are they given repentance/acknowledgment of the truth, but they are given forgiveness of sins. Lets read Acts 5:31 once again please :
31 Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.
Folks those Christ died for and is a Saviour unto have been given forgiveness of sins.
Paul wrote to the elect in Eph 1:7
7 in whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace;
again Col 1:14
in whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:
Now all dont have forgiveness of sins, hence we cant conclude they have have Christ as a Prince and a Saviour.
Remember Christ indicated that some shall die in their sins, how can they therefore have forgiveness of sins Jn 8:24
I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins. 2
31 Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.
Folks those Christ died for and is a Saviour unto have been given forgiveness of sins.
Paul wrote to the elect in Eph 1:7
7 in whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace;
again Col 1:14
in whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:
Now all dont have forgiveness of sins, hence we cant conclude they have have Christ as a Prince and a Saviour.
Remember Christ indicated that some shall die in their sins, how can they therefore have forgiveness of sins Jn 8:24
I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins. 2
>>>>""how can they therefore have forgiveness of sins
ONLY by believing & trusting the saving Gospel 1 Cor 15:1-4, Eph 1:13 for believers today that was taught by Christ ONLY to Paul Gal 1:11-12 who is our Acts 9:15 Christ selected Apostle Rom 11:13 & Minister Rom 15:16
>>>>"This is works
1 Cor 15:1-4, Eph 1:13 < the saving Gospel today.
Believing & trusting in the death/burial/resurrection of Christ for the forgivesness of sin is works ?
How so ?
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Not according to :-
Titu 3:5.
Gal 2:16.
Eph 2:8-9.
Rom 3:28.
Rom 4:5.
Rom 5:1
Below is the context of the quoted verses.
Titu 3:5.
Graces of the Heirs of Grace
1 Remind them to be subject to rulers and authorities, to obey, to be ready for every good work, 2 to speak evil of no one, to be peaceable, gentle, showing all humility to all men. 3 For we ourselves were also once foolish, disobedient, deceived, serving various lusts and pleasures, living in malice and envy, hateful and hating one another. 4 But when the kindness and the love of God our Savior toward man appeared, 5 not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to His mercy He saved us, through the washing of regeneration and renewing of the Holy Spirit, 6 whom He poured out on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Savior, 7 that having been justified by His grace we should become heirs according to the hope of eternal life.
Gal 2:16.
14 But when I saw that they were not straightforward about the truth of the gospel, I said to Peter before them all, “If you, being a Jew, live in the manner of Gentiles and not as the Jews, why do you compel Gentiles to live as Jews? 15 We who are Jews by nature, and not sinners of the Gentiles, 16 knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law but by faith in Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Christ Jesus, that we might be justified by faith in Christ and not by the works of the law; for by the works of the law no flesh shall be justified.
Ephesians 2:8-9.
4 But God, who is rich in mercy, because of His great love with which He loved us, 5 even when we were dead in trespasses, made us alive together with Christ (by grace you have been saved), 6 and raised us up together, and made us sit together in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus, 7 that in the ages to come He might show the exceeding riches of His grace in His kindness toward us in Christ Jesus. 8 For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, 9 not of works, lest anyone should boast. 10 For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand that we should walk in them.
Romans 3:28.
27 Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? Of works? No, but by the law of faith. 28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith apart from the deeds of the law. 29 Or is He the God of the Jews only? Is He not also the God of the Gentiles? Yes, of the Gentiles also, 30 since there is one God who will justify the circumcised by faith and the uncircumcised through faith. 31 Do we then make void the law through faith? Certainly not! On the contrary, we establish the law.
Romans 4:5.
5 But to him who does not work but believes on Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is accounted for righteousness, 6 just as David also describes the blessedness of the man to whom God imputes righteousness apart from works:
7 “Blessed are those whose lawless deeds are forgiven,
And whose sins are covered;
8 Blessed is the man to whom the Lord shall not impute sin.”
And whose sins are covered;
8 Blessed is the man to whom the Lord shall not impute sin.”
Romans 5:1
1 Therefore, having been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ, 2 through whom also we have access by faith into this grace in which we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God. 3 And not only that, but we also glory in tribulations, knowing that tribulation produces perseverance; 4 and perseverance, character; and character, hope. 5 Now hope does not disappoint, because the love of God has been poured out in our hearts by the Holy Spirit who was given to us.
Shalom
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