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My dear Rick, It is my pleasure to stand by with other Christians who desire truth. I can quote Qu'ran to compare the bible, yet there are so many lies in the Qu'ran about God (YHWH) and Yahshua (Christ, Son of God) and counterattack it with Truth.And I can even show how evil Islam is by showing how so contradiction the Qu'ran is, and show it with my knowledge.JagLovest ye in Christ Yahshua, Lord and Saviour of the world.
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thesuperjag;23149]Minor sins? Major sins? Where on Earth is Islam getting the idea of small and big sins. It is ridiculous. All sins are worthy of death. (Romans 3:10 said:
Major sins (among many) are sins such as adultry/fornication, associating partners with god and disrespecting parents which incur divine wrath or punishment or curse or serious consequences. While minor sins are for example if you happend to swear at someone while you were angry. But that does not allow a person to commit any sin, regardless of whether it is minor or major but they r distinguished in order to be extra cearful to avoid them.
Are you aware of the fact that Allah plays God and Satan?
If you are bad then god becomes angry and punishes you.If you are good then god rewards you.what makes him play god and satan?
Are you aware of the fact that Islam is making the Living God a liar?
living god? I was not aware that god could die, please explain.
Are you aware of the fact that Islam hate us? (Christian and Jews)
A muslim man is allowed to marry a christian or a jew, that can only happen if there was no hate....so your mistaken.
Are you aware of the fact that Islam has play pray? (five times a day) (That is to say to show off)
That couldn't be further from the truth because showing off is considered a major sin because then a deed is done for other then the sake of god. Prayer is the most important part of islam and is mentioned numerous times in the qur'an to perform prayer...it is up to god to tell us how many times to pray, it has nothing to do with showing off, if that was the case then have you ever seen a muslim pray? or make a big deal about their prayers infront of other faiths? I doubt it.
Are you aware of the fact that your prophet Muhammad can't read?
I take it you haven't read all of my post. Iv been stressing the fact that Muhammad was illetrate, this is the wisdom (amongst many) behind islam to prove that Muhammad was not the author of the qur'an.
Are you aware of the fact that the Qu'ran says that the Bible is corrupted but can not prove it?
The proof for this is easy, read the life of Noah as well as other prophets, and read the same stories in Qur'an and you will see a big difference. In the bible it states that Noahs daughters engaged with intercourse with their father but a man sent by god would never fall into such a thing.
Are you aware of the fact that the fact that the Qu'ran itself creates contradiction?
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Minor sins? Major sins? Where on Earth is Islam getting the idea of small and big sins. It is ridiculous. All sins are worthy of death. (Romans 3:10, Romans 3:23, Romans 6:23)
Major sins (among many) are sins such as adultry/fornication, associating partners with god and disrespecting parents which incur divine wrath or punishment or curse or serious consequences. While minor sins are for example if you happend to swear at someone while you were angry. But that does not allow a person to commit any sin, regardless of whether it is minor or major but they r distinguished in order to be extra cearful to avoid them.(thesuperjag;23419)
Are you aware of the fact that Allah plays God and Satan?
If you are bad then god becomes angry and punishes you.If you are good then god rewards you.what makes him play god and satan?(thesuperjag;23419)
Are you aware of the fact that Islam is making the Living God a liar?
living god? I was not aware that god could die, please explain.(thesuperjag;23419)
Are you aware of the fact that Islam hate us? (Christian and Jews)
A muslim man is allowed to marry a christian or a jew, that can only happen if there was no hate....so your mistaken.(thesuperjag;23419)
Are you aware of the fact that Islam has play pray? (five times a day) (That is to say to show off)
That couldn't be further from the truth because showing off is considered a major sin because then a deed is done for other then the sake of god. Prayer is the most important part of islam and is mentioned numerous times in the qur'an to perform prayer...it is up to god to tell us how many times to pray, it has nothing to do with showing off, if that was the case then have you ever seen a muslim pray? or make a big deal about their prayers infront of other faiths? I doubt it.(thesuperjag;23419)
Are you aware of the fact that your prophet Muhammad can't read?
I take it you haven't read all of my post. Iv been stressing the fact that Muhammad was illetrate, this is the wisdom (amongst many) behind islam to prove that Muhammad was not the author of the qur'an.The proof for this is easy, read the life of Noah as well as other prophets, and read the same stories in Qur'an and you will see a big difference. In the bible it states that Noahs daughters engaged with intercourse with their father but a man sent by god would never fall into such a thing.(thesuperjag;23419)
Are you aware of the fact that the fact that the Qu'ran itself creates contradiction?
Proof?1. So you are saying that the minor sins does not equal death?2. What makes Allah play God and Satan? (Qu'ran 44:8, 53:4, 57:2, 67:2) Whereof the Bible saying that God is the one that grants eternal life. (John 3:16) Whereof Satan grants Death because that is one of his title or name. (Revelation 6:8)3. You don't believe that Jesus rose on the third day according to the scriptures. (I Corinthians 15:4) And God is not god of the dead, but God of the living. (Matthew 22:32, Mark 12:27, Luke 20:38)4. That was not what I meant. The Qu'ran did indeed say not to make friends with Christians and Jews. (Qu'ran 3:28, 4:144, 5:51 etc) And wants to kill us. (9:5)5. About the show off, it may not be in your eyes, but it is on God's eyes. (Matthew 6:5) And yes I had. By videos. Videos like that do not lie.6. No complaints, but however you say that God did not want the last one to be descendant of Isaac, Are you not aware of the fact that God does not change?7. How nice... I really take the fact that you are SO not aware of that the Bible is so much older than the Qu'ran. You even believe that Christ lied.8. Yea I can. A day to Allah 1000 human years. (Quran 22:47, 32:5) 50,000 human years (70:4)Here is another...(5:27 itself)Jag
 

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IbnFarasat;23144]No this is not true said:
Yes your so right on the adultery in the verses Below:Sura (4:23) and Sura (33:52) - A man is permitted to take women as sex slaves outside of marriage.What is this, the Qur'an clearly allows prostitution referring it as 'temporary marriage' Qur'an:Sura (4:24) - "And those of whom ye seek content (by marrying them), give unto them their portions as a duty. And there is no sin for you in what ye do by mutual agreement after the duty (hath been done)"Hadith : Muslim (8:3252) - Muhammad clearly allowed his men to use temporary marriage as a sanctioned form of prostitution.However rape is not allowed right ?Qur'an 8:67-68 -Murder, rape, plunder and destruction are all perfectly fine with Allah if done in the name of Islam Illegal sexual relations is not promoted within the Islamic Religion is it not, Hmmm What is this, In the verses known as Sura (56:17) , and Sura (52:24)) covers the area of having sex with young boys referred to in the Qur'an as "perpetual youth" otherwise known as "boys". You will clearly see where they describe where martyrs for the cause of Allah enjoy an orgy of virgins and "perpetual youth" .All while homosexuality is not permitted here.Sura (7:80-84) - "...For ye practice your lusts on men in preference to women: ye are indeed a people transgressing beyond bounds.... And we rained down on them a shower (of brimstone)" Sura (26:165-166) - "Of all the creatures in the world, will ye approach males, "And leave those whom Allah has created for you to be your mates? Nay, ye are a people transgressing"So is it ok for the Muslims to have sex with underage virgin children of the same sex , however homosexuality men is not allowed ? This is very disturbing . Now please take a moment and ask yourself the question, Is it to you?Muhammad was proud apparently of having sexual intercourse with a 9 year old Jewish Girl right ?Muslim (8:3309) - Muhammad married Aisha at the age of nine.Muslim (8:3311) - The girl took her dolls with her to Muhammad's house (something to play with when the "prophet" was not having sex with her).Bukhari (6:298) - Muhammad would take a bath with the little girl and fondle her.The thing I find interesting is all while Muslims bring up the issues of Concern of other religious leaders who committed crimes against our precious children in which is proved that they are punished by law and most within the faith, Muhammad was never punished in accordance to the law or faith. Why is that ? The answer is clear he created the laws and the faith so he is not to be charged. Double standard do you not think ?
IbnFarasat;23144]As for suicide said:
"Whoever throws himself down from a high mountain and kills himself will be throwing himself down from a mountain in the Fire of Hell for all eternity. Whoever takes poison and kills himself will be taking poison in the Fire of Hell for all eternity. Whoever kills himself with a weapon (literally, iron) will be holding it in his hand and stabbing himself in the stomach in the Fire of Hell for all eternity. [/b](Reported by al-Bukhaari, 5778) And also; It was narrated that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said to the Muslim army: “Go out in the name of Allaah and by the help of Allaah, following the way of the Messenger of Allaah. Do not kill any old man, infant, child or woman… spread goodness and do good, for Allaah loves those who do good.” (Narrated by Abu Dawood, 2614)
Very contradicting, I am happy you are bringing these up. Lets have another look where suicide bombings are justified in accordance to the Qur'an:Sura (4:74) - "Let those fight in the way of Allah who sell the life of this world for the other. Whoso fighteth in the way of Allah, be he slain or be he victorious, on him We shall bestow a vast reward."Sura (9:111) - "Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden : they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain: a promise binding on Him in truth, through the Law, the Gospel, and the Qur'an: and who is more faithful to his covenant than Allah? then rejoice in the bargain which ye have concluded: that is the achievement supreme."Sura (2:207) - "And there is the type of man who gives his life to earn the pleasure of Allah..."Sura (61:10-12) - "O ye who believe! Shall I lead you to a bargain that will save you from a grievous Penalty? That ye believe in Allah and His Messenger, and that ye strive (your utmost) in the Cause of Allah, with your property and your persons: That will be best for you, if ye but knew! He will forgive you your sins, and admit you to Gardens beneath which Rivers flow, and to beautiful mansions in Gardens of Eternity: that is indeed the Supreme Achievement."Muslim avoid hell by killing for Allah:Qur'an:Sura (19:70-72) - "And surely We are Best Aware of those most worthy to be burned therein. There is not one of you but shall approach it. That is a fixed ordinance of thy Lord. Then We shall rescue those who kept from evil, and leave the evil-doers crouching there."Sura (8:15-16) - "O ye who believe! when ye meet the Unbelievers in hostile array, never turn your backs to them. If any do turn his back to them on such a day - unless it be in a stratagem of war, or to retreat to a troop (of his own)- he draws on himself the wrath of Allah, and his abode is Hell,- an evil refuge !" Sura (9:39) - "If ye go not forth He will afflict you with a painful doom..."Sura (3:169-170) - "Think not of those who are slain in Allah's way as dead. Nay, they live, finding their sustenance in the presence of their Lord; They rejoice in the bounty provided by Allah: And with regard to those left behind, who have not yet joined them ), the (Martyrs) glory in the fact that on them is no fear, nor have they (cause to) grieve." Hadith:Muslim (20:4678) - It has been reported on the authority of Jabir that a man said: "Messenger of Allah, where shall I be if I am killed?" He replied: "In Paradise." The man threw away the dates he had in his hand and fought until he was killed .Bukhari (52:46) - I heard Allah's Apostle saying, "The example of a Mujahid in Allah's Cause-- and Allah knows better who really strives in His Cause----is like a person who fasts and prays continuously. Allah guarantees that He will admit the Mujahid in His Cause into Paradise if he is killed, otherwise He will return him to his home safely with rewards and war booty." Abu Dawud (14:2515) - I asked the Prophet (peace_be_upon_him): Who are in Paradise? He replied: "Prophets are in Paradise, martyrs are in Paradise."My question
Is it not true that the American Muslims utilize 16 of the worst biblical verses in which the American Muslims utilize as a comparison and in turn most ARE NOT commands?
Your response
"IbnFarasat;23144]I would not know that because I do not live in America said:
Being from the United Kingdom, It is a acceptable answer even though a typical Islamic response to direct the questions upon other faiths.My Question
Is it not true that many Christian faiths are taught that the Anti Christ is to be a World Leader who is foreign and is to take over the World after the second coming of Christ is amongst us to take those away that accepted Jesus into their hearts?
Your response
IbnFarasat;23144]In Christianity said:
Feel free to explain.My Question
Is it not true that the Islamic faith in accordance to the Qur'an that Jesus was never placed on the cross to die for our sins?
Your response
IbnFarasat;23144]Yes that’s true said:
Point made with the Qur'an being established 610 or 612 after the death of Jesus on the cross, Yes of Course the Muslims would know the true facts with being in a foreign Country from where Jesus was crucified as well. I forgot that there was Instant messages, phone service and text messages back then, please forgive me.My Question
Is it not true that Muhammad created the Qur'an 610 to 612 after the death of our lord and savior Jesus Christ on the Cross?
Your responseYou are totally avoiding the question, please confirm the dates asked.My Question
Is it not true that Muhammad was born in Mecca, Arabia in which Jesus was born in Bethlehem,Israel?
Your response
IbnFarasat;23144]Please refer to my previous post as I have explained there that Muhammad was not meant to be a decendent of Isaac but a decendent of Ishmail who lived in arabia said:
NOTE KEY WORDING : Muhammad was " NOT MEANT " to be a decendent of Isaac. You are clearly avoiding a direct question.My Question
Is it not true that Muhammad birth place is foreign to the land our lord and savior was born in?
Your response
IbnFarasat;23144]Yes said:
Point made, no needed information thank you.My Question
Is it not true that study of Islam has entered British public schools mandating it a course in which if students of other faiths do not successfully learn to be converted within that they fail the school year?
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IbnFarasat;23144]I live in Britan and I have never heard of that until just now. But this is most probably not entirely true because a human being has no power to convert said:
Put the link together elliminating spaces to confirm this:http :// www . associatedcontent .com /article/158761/muslim_council_of_britain_lists_demands. html In this article will reveal that Islam is being forced with commands in the public schools of England. It is kinda sad that you seem to have no knowledge on the Country you live within.Of course they will not admit failing students who do not convert. My British school age family members out of Manchester and other students have throughout the UK. God Bless you my friend.But your faith does not promote forced conversion right ? Lets take a look.Sura (9:29) - "Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued."Sura (9:5) - "But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, and seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem ; but if they repent, and establish regular prayers and practice regular charity, then open the way for them..."Sura (9:12) - "But if they repent and establish worship and pay the poor-due, then are they your brethren in religion"Sura (2:193) - "And fight them until persecution is no more, and religion be only for Allah. But if they desist, then let there be no hostility except against wrong-doers."Hadith:Muslim (1:33) -The Messenger of Allah said: "I have been commanded to fight against people till they testify that there is no god but Allah, that Muhammad is the messenger of Allah..." Muslim (19:4294) - "When you meet your enemies who are polytheists , invite them to three courses of action. If they respond to any one of these, you also accept it and withhold yourself from doing them any harm. Invite them to (accept) Islam; if they respond to you, accept it from them and desist from fighting against them ... If they refuse to accept Islam, demand from them the Jizya. If they agree to pay, accept it from them and hold off your hands. If they refuse to pay the tax, seek Allah's help and fight them"Bukhari (8:387) - "Allah's Apostle said, 'I have been ordered to fight the people till they say: 'None has the right to be worshipped but Allah.' And if they say so, pray like our prayers, face our Qibla and slaughter as we slaughter, then their blood and property will be sacred to us and we will not interfere with them except legally and their reckoning will be with Allah.'" Bukhari (53:392) - "While we were in the Mosque, the Prophet came out and said, "Let us go to the Jews" We went out till we reached Bait-ul-Midras. He said to them, "If you embrace Islam, you will be safe. You should know that the earth belongs to Allah and His Apostle, and I want to expel you from this land. So, if anyone amongst you owns some property, he is permitted to sell it, otherwise you should know that the Earth belongs to Allah and His Apostle."Bukhari (2:24) - "Allah's Apostle said: "I have been ordered to fight against the people until they testify that none has the right to be worshipped but Allah and that Muhammad is Allah's Apostle, and offer the prayers perfectly and give the obligatory charity, so if they perform a that, then they save their lives and property from me except for Islamic laws and then their reckoning (accounts) will be done by Allah."My Question
Is it not true that the religion of Islam is to be taught within the UK, in swimming, playground activities and other child activities and in which other faiths may not be practiced?
Your response
IbnFarasat;23144]That’s probably because its an Islamic school where only Islamic activities are allowed said:
PUBLIC SCHOOLS my friend, reflect back on the same article.KEY WORD " Presume" why are you not sure?Because those of the Islamic faith clearly avoid admiting true fact.My Question
Is it not true the Muslims have entered the Boy Scouts of America in the Carolinas to utilize the Boys in a Political Standing that the Muslims HAVE NEVER gained permission from the Upper Council and is under full investigation at the moment?
Your response
IbnFarasat;23144]I really don’t know because Iv never been to America.[/QUOTE]Again being from the UK said:
Is it not true that British Muslims can hold rallies making death threats to America, Denmark, and the UK itself with bombings in front of British Police who take no action?
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IbnFarasat;23144]I don’t know if this entirely true but I don’t understand where you are trying to get at?[/QUOTE]Please watch this video carefully.(again no spaces)http ://www .youtube.com/watch?v= JKUoxbR9mwAAnd Check out this article of a rally held by Muslims in the UK instructing Muslim Military personal to fight their allies ( American Soldiers) http :// www. telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/09/30/nhizb130.xmlMy Question[QUOTE]Is it not true American Muslims are not loyal to the American Government?[/QUOTE]Your response[quote name= said:
This would perhaps be a general rule that if anything contradicts islam then we cannot compromise in our religion to please others' date=' because religion is made by god and religious acts are made to please god' date=' but lets not get into this because this would get into that whole “invading the muslim lands” debate and id rather not start that.[/QUOTE'']Please link this video and find out.http :// www .youtube .com /watch?v=OLK1Xpc7SMQ&mode=related&search=My Question
Is it not true that Muslims are not shooting to have their first Muslim President by the year 2020?
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IbnFarasat;23144]I was not aware of that said:
Here is the article to confirm anyhow.http ://www .danielpipes.org/article/83
 

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What I wanted to establish here with your responses was not to get at you personally but to prove certain aspects on how members of the Islamic Communities act in methods of operation during communication of defense with those of other faiths. Your responses though some of the best I reviewed or heard, still held the same pattern. Keep in mind, I am in no way shape or form against a Muslim as a person. I just hope and pray for them to convert over to the truth before the second coming of Christ. My issue is clearly with the religion of Islam.During some of your responses like those regarding the UK, you simply act like you do not know. That is clearly like saying you do not know that the British Muslim Influence has never declared the St. George flag racist for years to the point it was banned from flying unless it was a major sporting event. This flag was Nationally recognized way before the Islamic Movement in the early 80s. God bless your new prime minister this year on granting more dates.Or your responses are like not knowing that the Islamic Influence in the UK made in mandated to change a childs nursery rhyme of " Baa Baa Black Sheep" to " Baa Baa Rainbow Sheep" because the Muslims declared it to be racist. How sad is that really. Don't forget, I am honored to be Married to a British Lady and I resided in England for a long time. Some of my kids are still their. And I have had my experience on attempted violent attacks by British Pakistani Muslims upon myself for the simple aspect that I am American. Unfortunately and I am not happy about members of my family being in the British National Front, The attempted racial attacks from certain members of the Islamic Community quickly vanished without the use of further self defense in which was the only plus.Muslims tend to avoid direct questions and beat around the bush sort of speak in which you have by utilizing the word " Meant " or in reference to the long explanation how ever not confirming the direct question on the dates the qur'an was created. These are typical Islamic Responses and many Muslims fear on speaking out to avoid insulting Islam that as a end result can lead to there own Murder by others within the faith.Muslims also attempt to cover commanding violent verses in the eyes of the public with other verses in which clearly shows the path of deception and contradictions.All of these mate you have displayed in your postings. I will pray for you and your family and god bless you.
 

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IbnFarasat;23241][quote name= said:
1. So you are saying that the minor sins does not equal death?
yes minor sins are not equal to death' date=' just telling a lie is not the same as buring someone alive.
thesuperjag;23169' said:
2. What makes Allah play God and Satan? (Qu'ran 44:8' date=' 53:4, 57:2, 67:2) Whereof the Bible saying that God is the one that grants eternal life. (John 3:16) Whereof Satan grants Death because that is one of his title or name. (Revelation 6:8)[/QUOTE'] lets take a look, first verse is chapter 44:8; There is no god but He: It is He Who gives life and gives death,- The Lord and Cherisher to you and your earliest ancestors.[Surah Ad-Dukhan (smoke) 44:8] God is the one who gives life and god is the one who takes it, the one who sustains all that exist. This verse pretty explains itself. No satanism involved. Next 1, chapter 53 verse 4 It is only a revelation revealed.[Surah An-Najm (The Star) 53:4] Meaning, he only conveys to the people what he was commanded to convey, in its entirety without additions or deletions. Next one, Chapter 57 verse 2; His is the kingdom of the heavens and the earth. It is He Who gives life and causes death; and He is Able to do all things.[Surah Al-Hadid (The Iron) 57:2] To Allah (god) belongs the dominions of the heavens and the earth. Only god Himself can make such a claim. Next one chapter 67 verse 2; (It is Allah) Who has created death and life that He may test you which of you is best in deed. And He is the Almighty, the Oft-Forgiving.[Surah Al-Mulk (The Soverignty, Control) 67:2] Those who say that death is an existing creation use this verse as a proof because it is something that has been created. This verse means that He (god) brought creation into existence from nothing in order to test the creatures. He examines them to see which of them will be best in deeds. God gives life, and god gives death because He created you and do whatever He wants. No one can do a thing without His will, even satan himself cannot do anything to you with the will of god otherwise that would mean there god is not all powerful. God gives Life and god takes it away...satan has no authority over life or death otherwise it would imply that satan is divin, when indeed god has no equals. I dont understand how god is playing satan and god? He has the power to do whatever He wants, satan is not divine so it is not his decision to take some1s life.
"thesuperjag;23169] 3. You don said:
Clearly, this does not fit the description jesus, son of mary.
"thesuperjag;23169]4. That was not what I meant. The Qu said:
The verses not to take friends, as I have explained earlier is because muslims will remind other muslims of their religion, even if that means to learn the christian and jewish religion because the word 'bible' is not mentioned in the bible, but it is in the qur'an. My point is, in matters of religion we are different and we must be different and it is to safe-guard our religion we are advised to take muslims as friends and Allah as our protector. With regards to the verse [Surah At-Tawbah (repentence) 9:5] this refers to the time when Muhammad and his followers were driven out of their homes into the city of Madinah, in Arabia. This was specifically talking about the pagens who were unjust to the muslims, by taking lives and torture etc so this verse was revealed. For more detail, refer to the biography of Muhammad.
thesuperjag;23169]5. About the show off said:
6. No complaints' date=' but however you say that God did not want the last one to be descendant of Isaac, Are you not aware of the fact that God does not change?[/QUOTE'] God can do whatever He wills whether he wants to change or not is His decision nor yours, and no one can speak about god except concerning the truth.
thesuperjag;23169]7. How nice... I really take the fact that you are SO not aware of that the Bible is so much older than the Qu said:
Couldn't be further from the truth. Jesus' date=' son of mary was a man who came in truth and everything he said was in truth and believing in him as a messenger of god is pillar of faith otherwise I would be deemed no muslim...why? because all the messengers came with the same message i.e. worship god and none but Him, so your mistaken, again.
thesuperjag;23169 said:
8. Yea I can. A day to Allah 1000 human years. (Quran 22:47' date=' 32:5) 50,000 human years (70:4)[/QUOTE'] Read this;
17. ONE DAY IN THE SIGHT OF ALLAH IS 1,000 OR 50,000 YEARS
Question:A particular verse of the Qur’an says that one day in the sight of Allah is equal to 1000 years. In another verse of the Qur’an it says that one day is equal to 50,000 years. Isn’t the Qur’an contradicting itself?Answer:1. Time of Allah is incomparable to earthly timeThe Qur’an says in two verses, (22:47 and 32:5), that the measure of one day in the sight of Allah is equal to 1,000 years of our reckoning. In another verse (70:4) it says that the measure of one day in the sight of Allah is equal to 50,000 years of our reckoning.These verses generally mean that the time of Allah (swt) is incomparable to the earthly time. The examples given are of one thousand years and fifty thousand years of the earthly time. In other words thousands of years or a very, very long time of the earth a day in the sight of Allah is equal to:2. Yaum also means PeriodThe Arabic word used in all these three verses is yaum, which, besides meaning a day also means a long period, or an epoch. If you translate the word yaum correctly as ‘period’ there will be no confusion.a) The verse from Surah Hajj reads as:"Yet they ask thee to hasten on the Punishment! but Allah will not fail in His promise. Verily a Day in the sight of thy Lord is like a thousand years of your reckoning".[Al-Qur’an 22:47]When the unbelievers asked to hasten the punishment the Qur’an says Allah will not fail in His promise. Verily a period in the sight of Allah is like a thousand years of your reckoning.
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The verse from Surah Al-Sajdah says:"He rules (all) affairs from the heavens to the earth: in the end will (all affairs) go up? To Him, on a Day, the space whereof will be (as) a thousand years of your reckoning".[Al-Qur’an 32:5]This verse indicates that a period required for all the affairs to go up to Allah (swt), is a thousand years of our reckoning.c) A verse from Surah Al-Maarij says:"The angels and the spirit ascend unto Him in a Day the measure whereof is (as) fifty thousand years".[Al-Qur’an 70:4]This verse means that the period required for angels and the spirits to ascend unto Allah (swt) is fifty thousand years.d) The period for two different acts need not be the same. For example the period required for me to travel to destination ‘A’ say Vashi is one hour and the period required for me to travel to destination ‘B’ i.e. Kashmir is 50 hours. This does not indicate that I am making two contradictory statements.Thus the verses of the Qur’an not only do not contradict each other, they are also in perfect harmony with established modern scientific facts.
"thesuperjag:23169] Here is another...(5:27 itself)[/QUOTE] 27. And recite to them the story of the two sons of Adam in truth; when each offered a sacrifice said:
Allah describes the evil end and consequence of transgression, envy and injustice in the story of the two sons of Adam, Habil and Qabil. One of them fought against the other and killed him out of envy and transgression, because of the bounty that god gave his brother and because the sacrifice that he sincerely offered to Allah was accepted. The murdered brother earned forgiveness for his sins and was admitted into Paradise, while the murderer failed and earned a losing deal in both the lives.
1. You made that very clear that Allah is not God, but a god. It proves that Islam is false. All sins are death. (Romans 6:23)2. That's exactly what Islam is doing. Adding, subtracting, and changing the Word of God. And what YHWH say? (Deuteronomy 4:2, Proverbs 30:6, Revelation 22:18-19)(And I missed up on my typo I meant Qu'ran verse 55:44...even I made a typo...53:4 brought the fact of killing the Truth of God)3. Wow, you guys makes God's childrens sad. We Christians do NOT believe that YHWH has sex with Mary...even if you deny that...you won't understand it Christ as Son of God. But you reject him as Son of God. (John 10:36)4. The word bible means BOOK. And yes the word book is in our Bible.5. Doesn't matter. Document Truth videos proves how evil Islam is. Especially with all that lies about God in the Qu'ran.6. Your god can change his own wicked mind. God does not change. (Malachi 3:6, Hebrews 13:8)7. Actually, I'm not mistaken. I don't limit God like Islam does. Yahshua is the only way to Heaven. (John 14:6)8. I'm going to leave the last one alone. I'll let the Truth go over your head and see if you can grab it.9. It's quite sad that your god is evil don't you think?10. 1,000 human years or 50,000 humans years. You can't have both.Jag
 

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Jags Question[quote name='thesuperjag;23139]1. So you are saying that the minor sins does not equal death?[/QUOTE]IbnFarasat Answer [quote name='IbnFarasat;23241]yes minor sins are not equal to death' date=' just telling a lie is not the same as buring someone alive.[/QUOTE']Please Review these Islamic Verses:Sura (4:23) and Sura (33:52) - A man is permitted to take women as sex slaves outside of marriage.HOWEVER Muslim (17:4209) - A woman confesses adultery and is stoned to death on Muhammad's order.So is it that a Man can sin however if a Women does the same sin and confesses she is sentenced to death on stoning? Very impressive on contradicting to your statement above.Jags Question[quote name='thesuperjag;23139]2. What makes Allah play God and Satan? (Qu'ran 44:8' date=' 53:4' date=' 57:2, 67:2) Whereof the Bible saying that God is the one that grants eternal life. (John 3:16) Whereof Satan grants Death because that is one of his title or name. (Revelation 6:8)[/QUOTE'']IbnFarasat Answer Minus out the key verse that he does not bring up[quote name='IbnFarasat;23241]I dont understand how god is playing satan and god? He has the power to do whatever He wants' date=' satan is not divine so it is not his decision to take some1s life.[/QUOTE']Sura 3:185, "Every soul shall have a taste of death: And only on the Day of Judgment shall you be paid your full recompense. Only he who is saved far from the Fire and admitted to the Garden will have attained the object (of Life): For the life of this world is but goods and chattels of deception." KEY WORDING " Every soul shall have a taste of death: And only on the Day of Judgment shall you be paid your full recompense. Only he who is saved far from the Fire".So the taste of death during the day of Judgement while seeing the fires of hell. I know where my heart is and it is clearly not with Satan.Jags comment[quote name='thesuperjag;23139]3. You don't believe that Jesus rose on the third day according to the scriptures. (I Corinthians 15:4) And God is not god of the dead' date=' but God of the living. (Matthew 22:32, Mark 12:27, Luke 20:38)[/QUOTE'][/QUOTE]IbnFarasat Answer [quote name='IbnFarasat;23241]If you mean after the crucifiction then no' date=' because we do not believe that god can die nor do we believe that god can have a son, god is not like us. For example take this verse from the qur'an;[/QUOTE']Do you know what struck me in his response, he has clearly admitted the crucifixion of our lord and savior Jesus Christ.KEY WORDS : " If you mean after the crucifixion " in which his own Qur'an teaches there was never one.Jags comment[quote name='thesuperjag;23139]4. That was not what I meant. The Qu'ran did indeed say not to make friends with Christians and Jews. (Qu'ran 3:28' date=' 4:144, 5:51 etc) And wants to kill us. (9:5)[/QUOTE']IbnFarasat Answer (Key Words)[quote name='IbnFarasat;23241]The verses not to take friends' date=' as I have explained earlier is because muslims will remind other muslims of their religion, even if that means to learn the christian and jewish religion because the word 'bible' is not mentioned in the bible, but it is in the qur'an.[/QUOTE']NOTE : Part of the Islamic Methods of Operation he states clearly here : EVEN IF THAT MEANS TO LEARN THE CHRISTIAN AND JEWISH RELIGION. Muslims study other faiths in order to defeat in taking over other religions and Governments alike. Such a President Thomas Jefferson has done to save American Slaves from Muslims in the history below : Thomas Jefferson owned at least three Qur'ans. At the time Jefferson owned the book, he needed to know everything possible about Muslims because he was about to advocate war against the Islamic “Barbary” states of Morocco, Algeria, Tunisia and Tripoli.In 1786, Jefferson, then the American ambassador to France, and Adams, then the American ambassador to Britain, met in London with Sidi Haji Abdul Rahman Adja, the “Dey of Algiers” ambassador to Britain. The Americans wanted to negotiate a peace treaty based on Congress' vote to appease. During the meeting Jefferson and Adams asked the Dey's ambassador why Muslims held so much hostility towards America, a nation with which they had no previous contacts. In a later meeting with the American Congress, the two future presidents reported that Ambassador Sidi Haji Abdul Rahman Adja had answered that Islam “was founded on the Laws of their Prophet, that it was written in their Qur'an, that all nations who should not have acknowledged their authority were sinners, that it was their right and duty to make war upon them wherever they could be found, and to make slaves of all they could take as prisoners, and that every Musselman (Muslim) who should be slain in battle was sure to go to Paradise.”For the following 15 years, the American government paid the Muslims millions of dollars for the safe passage of American ships or the return of American hostages. The payments in ransom and tribute amounted to 20 percent of United States government annual revenues in 1800. Not long after Jefferson's inauguration as president in 1801, he dispatched a group of frigates to defend American interests in the Mediterranean, and informed Congress. Declaring that America was going to spend “millions for defense but not one cent for tribute,” Jefferson pressed the issue by deploying American Marines and many of America's best warships to the Muslim Barbary Coast. The USS Constitution, USS Constellation, USS Philadelphia, USS Chesapeake, USS Argus, USS Syren and USS Intrepid all saw action.In 1786, Jefferson, then the American ambassador to France, and Adams, then the American ambassador to Britain, met in London with Sidi Haji Abdul Rahman Adja, the “Dey of Algiers” ambassador to Britain. The Americans wanted to negotiate a peace treaty based on Congress' vote to appease. During the meeting Jefferson and Adams asked the Dey's ambassador why Muslims held so much hostility towards America, a nation with which they had no previous contacts. In a later meeting with the American Congress, the two future presidents reported that Ambassador Sidi Haji Abdul Rahman Adja had answered that Islam “was founded on the Laws of their Prophet, that it was written in their Qur'an, that all nations who should not have acknowledged their authority were sinners, that it was their right and duty to make war upon them wherever they could be found, and to make slaves of all they could take as prisoners, and that every Musselman (Muslim) who should be slain in battle was sure to go to Paradise.”In 1805, American Marines marched across the desert from Egypt into Tripolitania, forcing the surrender of Tripoli and the freeing of all American slaves. During the Jefferson administration, the Muslim Barbary States, crumbling as a result of intense American naval bombardment and on shore raids by Marines, finally officially agreed to abandon slavery and piracy. Jefferson's victory over the Muslims lives on today in the Marine Hymn, with the line,“From the halls of Montezuma to the shores of Tripoli, we will fight our country's battles on the land as on the sea.” It wasn't until 1815 that the problem was fully settled by the total defeat of all the Muslim slave trading pirates.Jefferson had been right. The “medium of war” was the only way to put an end to the Muslim problem. Mr. Ellison was right about Jefferson. He was a “visionary,” wise enough to read and learn about the enemy from their own Muslim Quran.Jags comment[quote name='thesuperjag;23139]5. About the show off' date=' it may not be in your eyes, but it is on God's eyes. (Matthew 6:5) And yes I had. By videos. Videos like that do not lie.[/QUOTE']IbnFarasat KEY WORDING OF THIS PART OF THE ISLAMIC METHOD OF OPERATION WHEN CHALLENGED: The redirecting to other faiths [quote name='IbnFarasat;23241]One can do the same about christianity[/QUOTE]Jags comment[quote name='thesuperjag;23139]6. No complaints' date=' but however you say that God did not want the last one to be descendant of Isaac' date=' Are you not aware of the fact that God does not change?[/QUOTE'']IbnFarasat Answer [quote name='IbnFarasat;23241]God can do whatever He wills whether he wants to change or not is His decision nor yours' date=' and no one can speak about god except concerning the truth.[/QUOTE']Have you not learned that God has not made decisions that he has not went back on and or changed ? It must be the God that the Muslims pray to that is a imperfect decision maker.Hmmmmm the Upcoming Anti Christ Maybe.Jags comment[quote name='thesuperjag;23139]7. How nice... I really take the fact that you are SO not aware of that the Bible is so much older than the Qu'ran. You even believe that Christ lied.[/QUOTE]IbnFarasat Answer [quote name='IbnFarasat;23241]Couldn't be further from the truth. Jesus' date=' son of mary was a man who came in truth and everything he said was in truth and believing in him as a messenger of god is pillar of faith otherwise I would be deemed no muslim...why? because all the messengers came with the same message i.e. worship god and none but Him' date=' so your mistaken, again.[/QUOTE'']Jesus, son of Mary is true, however can you prove that she did not conceive being a virgin in which and the father was not God or did Muhammad have a time machine to go back 600 Years to reveal this? Your statement is further from the truth.[quote name='thesuperjag;23139]8. Yea I can. A day to Allah 1000 human years. (Quran 22:47' date=' 32:5) 50,000 human years (70:4)[/QUOTE'] That is because like IbnFarasat has stated despite who the author really was Muhammad himself was illiterate and apparently Math was not in the best interest of the Nation is the only thing I can figure out.
 

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1. You made that very clear that Allah is not God, but a god. It proves that Islam is false. All sins are death. (Romans 6:23)
Really? So I call someone an idiot, iv sinned. So does that mean I must go through capital punishment?
2. That's exactly what Islam is doing. Adding, subtracting, and changing the Word of God. And what YHWH say? (Deuteronomy 4:2, Proverbs 30:6, Revelation 22:18-19)
Again, what is yhwh?
(And I missed up on my typo I meant Qu'ran verse 55:44...even I made a typo...53:4 brought the fact of killing the Truth of God)
Round about shall they go between it and hot, boiling water.[Ar-Rahman (The Beneficent, The Mercy Giving) 55:44]P.s.Does christianity teach you to insult? Because if your only looking for an argument then I won't bother with you.
3. Wow, you guys makes God's childrens sad. We Christians do NOT believe that YHWH has sex with Mary...even if you deny that...you won't understand it Christ as Son of God. But you reject him as Son of God. (John 10:36)
“And (both) the Jews and the Christians say: ‘We are the children of god and His loved ones.’ Say (O Muhammad Unto them): ‘Why then does He punish you for your sins?’ Nay, you are but human beings of those He has created…”[al-Maa’idah 5:18 – interpretation of the meaning]
4. The word bible means BOOK. And yes the word book is in our Bible.
If you say so.
5. Doesn't matter. Document Truth videos proves how evil Islam is. Especially with all that lies about God in the Qu'ran.
So your basically blind following? How can you know christianity is the truth if the only religion you have ever studied is christianity?
6. Your god can change his own wicked mind. God does not change. (Malachi 3:6, Hebrews 13:8)
How little you know your Lord.
7. Actually, I'm not mistaken. I don't limit God like Islam does. Yahshua is the only way to Heaven. (John 14:6)
O ye assembly of Jinns and men! If it be ye can pass beyond the zones of the heavens and the earth, pass ye! not without authority shall ye be able to pass! [Surah Ar-Rahman 55:33]
8. I'm going to leave the last one alone. I'll let the Truth go over your head and see if you can grab it.
Islam is the truth.
9. It's quite sad that your god is evil don't you think?10. 1,000 human years or 50,000 humans years. You can't have both.Jag
If you say so.
 

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So your basically blind following? How can you know christianity is the truth if the only religion you have ever studied is christianity?
Can you verify that Islam is the truth?
 

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IbnFarasat;23308][quote name= said:
1. You made that very clear that Allah is not God' date=' but a god. It proves that Islam is false. All sins are death. (Romans 6:23)[/QUOTE']Really? So I call someone an idiot' date=' iv sinned. So does that mean I must go through capital punishment?
thesuperjag;23262 said:
2. That's exactly what Islam is doing. Adding' date=' subtracting, and changing the Word of God. And what YHWH say? (Deuteronomy 4:2, Proverbs 30:6, Revelation 22:18-19)[/QUOTE']Again, what is yhwh?
thesuperjag;23262](And I missed up on my typo I meant Qu said:
Round about shall they go between it and hot' date=' boiling water.[Ar-Rahman (The Beneficent, The Mercy Giving) 55:44']P.s.Does christianity teach you to insult? Because if your only looking for an argument then I won't bother with you.
"thesuperjag;23262]3. Wow said:
“And (both) the Jews and the Christians say: ‘We are the children of god and His loved ones.’ Say (O Muhammad Unto them): ‘Why then does He punish you for your sins?’ Nay, you are but human beings of those He has created…”[al-Maa’idah 5:18 – interpretation of the meaning]
"thesuperjag;23262]4. The word bible means BOOK. And yes the word book is in our Bible.[/QUOTE]If you say so.[quote name= said:
5. Doesn't matter. Document Truth videos proves how evil Islam is. Especially with all that lies about God in the Qu'ran.
So your basically blind following? How can you know christianity is the truth if the only religion you have ever studied is christianity?
thesuperjag;23262 said:
6. Your god can change his own wicked mind. God does not change. (Malachi 3:6' date=' Hebrews 13:8)[/QUOTE']How little you know your Lord.
thesuperjag;23262]7. Actually said:
O ye assembly of Jinns and men! If it be ye can pass beyond the zones of the heavens and the earth' date=' pass ye! not without authority shall ye be able to pass! [Surah Ar-Rahman 55:33']
"thesuperjag;23262]8. I said:
9. It's quite sad that your god is evil don't you think?10. 1' date='000 human years or 50' date='000 humans years. You can't have both.Jag[/QUOTE'']If you say so.
1. YHWH can forgive you in the name of Yahshua.2. YHWH is a personal name of God the Father in Hebrew.2B. Does Christianity teaches me to insult? No. To teach the REAL truth to everybody so that they (Non-Christians or Non-Jews) may be saved. We exposed Satan evil deceptions.3. Nothing to comment as you can not understand prophecy.4. Same above as #3.5. I read and study some of the Qu'ran and read some of the Hadith. Even though I will admit that I have not read every single verses, Parts of the Qu'ran that was extremely important, kills the Truth. And that parts destroy the REAL way of eternal life. I have no reason to look for an arguments, but to see if the Truth can set you free.6. Using a lame tactic to try to deceive me...I am well aware of the fact which spirit is speaking to me.7. Again, Islam limits God's ability.8. That verse a while back (Qu'ran 5:27 itself) is truly a contradiction. Like I said, I'll let the Truth go over your head and see if you can grab it.9. Conclusion: Islam has long way to go if they want the Truth...Seems to me, that I don't think I can reach you at this level. Maybe YHWH won't allow you to see it, Whatsoever.10. Conclusion B: Allah will never be my God, as YHWH gave us a reality not a religion or a fairytale.Jag
 

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Sura (4:23) and Sura (33:52) - A man is permitted to take women as sex slaves outside of marriage.What is this, the Qur'an clearly allows prostitution referring it as 'temporary marriage'
Temporary marriage is forbidden in islam, and if anyone tries to have a temporary marriage it will not count. But comment on the verse, it may be noted that slavery was a common thing of the past which does not exist no more. Intercourse with the slaves is allowed, by permission.
Qur'an:Sura (4:24) - "And those of whom ye seek content (by marrying them), give unto them their portions as a duty. And there is no sin for you in what ye do by mutual agreement after the duty (hath been done)"Hadith : Muslim (8:3252) - Muhammad clearly allowed his men to use temporary marriage as a sanctioned form of prostitution.
This was something that began before Muhammad recieved prophethood. Temporary marriage was common and at first nothing was said about it, but afterwords temporary marriage was forbidden and this is the ruling now.
However rape is not allowed right ?
No rape is not allow.
Qur'an 8:67-68 -Murder, rape, plunder and destruction are all perfectly fine with Allah if done in the name of Islam
Lets see;It is not fit for a prophet that he should take captives unless he has fought and triumphed in the land; you desire the frail goods of this world, while Allah desires (for you) the hereafter; and Allah is Mighty, Wise.Were it not for an ordinance from Allah that had already gone forth, surely there would have befallen you a great chastisement for what you had taken to.[Al-Nafl 8:67-68]This is commending after the first major battle in islam called "The Battle of Badr", to cut a long story short, these were the leaders of enemies of Muhammad who the muslims caught as captives because the muslims had won that. But while the enemies were in captivity the muslims were compassionate towards them and allowed them to be sold back to their people, God then revealed in the Qur'an saying that it is not befitting that a prophet of god should be so lenient toward them while they have commited crimes against the muslims. They were oppressive and unjust, and had it not been the divine decree of god then a painful tourment would have befalled muslims.
Illegal sexual relations is not promoted within the Islamic Religion is it not, Hmmm What is this, In the verses known as Sura (56:17) , and Sura (52:24)) covers the area of having sex with young boys referred to in the Qur'an as "perpetual youth" otherwise known as "boys". You will clearly see where they describe where martyrs for the cause of Allah enjoy an orgy of virgins and "perpetual youth" .
This has nothing to do with sex, nor sex with boys. This is talking about some of the things that one will see in heaven for both men and woman. Don't believe me?Lets complete the verses, shall we;17. Round about them will (serve) youths of perpetual (freshness), 18. With goblets, (shining) beakers, and cups (filled) out of clear-flowing fountains: 19. No after-ache will they receive therefrom, nor will they suffer intoxication: 20. And with fruits, any that they may select: [Surah al-Waqai (The Event, The Inevitable) 56:17-20]All while homosexuality is not permitted here.
Sura (7:80-84) - "...For ye practice your lusts on men in preference to women: ye are indeed a people transgressing beyond bounds.... And we rained down on them a shower (of brimstone)" Sura (26:165-166) - "Of all the creatures in the world, will ye approach males, "And leave those whom Allah has created for you to be your mates? Nay, ye are a people transgressing"
Correct.
Muhammad was proud apparently of having sexual intercourse with a 9 year old Jewish Girl right ?Muslim (8:3309) - Muhammad married Aisha at the age of nine.Muslim (8:3311) - The girl took her dolls with her to Muhammad's house (something to play with when the "prophet" was not having sex with her).Bukhari (6:298) - Muhammad would take a bath with the little girl and fondle her.
Again, she was not jewish, she was an arab.I have explained this previously, but il paste it again.There is a reason behind everything in islam, and the reason behind the marriage of Aisha (may Allah be pleased with her) is because she had an inquisitive mind, and also had the mind of a scholer. Among her virtues was she was one of the most knowledgeable of his wives, and one of the most knowledgeable women of the muslim nation as a whole. The senior companions of Muhammad used to refer to her opinion and consult her. The characteristics of intelligence and smartness enabled her to be more able than others to transmit reports of what he did and said (she recored more then 4000 of his says and actions). In fact, as stated above, she was a reference point for the companions with regard to their affairs and rulings. It may be noted that among his wives were those who were young and old, the daughter of his sworn enemy, the daughter of his closest friend. One of them occupied herself with raising orphans, another distinguished herself from others by fasting and praying during the night a great deal… They represented all kinds of people, through whom Muhammad was able to set out a way for the Muslims showing how to deal properly with all kinds of people. With regard to the issue of her being young and you being confused about that, you should note that Muhammad grew up in a hot country, the Arabian Peninsula. Usually in hot countries adolescence comes early and people marry early. This is how the people of Arabia were until recently. Moreover, women vary greatly in their development and their physical readiness for marriage. If you think that Muhammad did not marry any virgin other than Aaisha, and that all his other wives had been previously married, this will refute the notion spread by many hostile sources, that the basic motive behind Muhammad marriages was physical desire and enjoyment of women, because if that was his intention he would have chosen only those who were virgins and beautiful etc.
The thing I find interesting is all while Muslims bring up the issues of Concern of other religious leaders who committed crimes against our precious children in which is proved that they are punished by law and most within the faith, Muhammad was never punished in accordance to the law or faith. Why is that ? The answer is clear he created the laws and the faith so he is not to be charged. Double standard do you not think ?Very contradicting, I am happy you are bringing these up.
Same as above.
Lets have another look where suicide bombings are justified in accordance to the Qur'an:Sura (4:74) - "Let those fight in the way of Allah who sell the life of this world for the other. Whoso fighteth in the way of Allah, be he slain or be he victorious, on him We shall bestow a vast reward."Sura (9:111) - "Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden : they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain: a promise binding on Him in truth, through the Law, the Gospel, and the Qur'an: and who is more faithful to his covenant than Allah? then rejoice in the bargain which ye have concluded: that is the achievement supreme."Sura (2:207) - "And there is the type of man who gives his life to earn the pleasure of Allah..."Sura (61:10-12) - "O ye who believe! Shall I lead you to a bargain that will save you from a grievous Penalty? That ye believe in Allah and His Messenger, and that ye strive (your utmost) in the Cause of Allah, with your property and your persons: That will be best for you, if ye but knew! He will forgive you your sins, and admit you to Gardens beneath which Rivers flow, and to beautiful mansions in Gardens of Eternity: that is indeed the Supreme Achievement."
There were no bombs 1400 years ago, so how can this possibly justify suicide bombing?
Muslim avoid hell by killing for Allah:Qur'an:Sura (19:70-72) - "And surely We are Best Aware of those most worthy to be burned therein. There is not one of you but shall approach it. That is a fixed ordinance of thy Lord. Then We shall rescue those who kept from evil, and leave the evil-doers crouching there."Sura (8:15-16) - "O ye who believe! when ye meet the Unbelievers in hostile array, never turn your backs to them. If any do turn his back to them on such a day - unless it be in a stratagem of war, or to retreat to a troop (of his own)- he draws on himself the wrath of Allah, and his abode is Hell,- an evil refuge !" Sura (9:39) - "If ye go not forth He will afflict you with a painful doom..."Sura (3:169-170) - "Think not of those who are slain in Allah's way as dead. Nay, they live, finding their sustenance in the presence of their Lord; They rejoice in the bounty provided by Allah: And with regard to those left behind, who have not yet joined them ), the (Martyrs) glory in the fact that on them is no fear, nor have they (cause to) grieve." Hadith:Muslim (20:4678) - It has been reported on the authority of Jabir that a man said: "Messenger of Allah, where shall I be if I am killed?" He replied: "In Paradise." The man threw away the dates he had in his hand and fought until he was killed .Bukhari (52:46) - I heard Allah's Apostle saying, "The example of a Mujahid in Allah's Cause-- and Allah knows better who really strives in His Cause----is like a person who fasts and prays continuously. Allah guarantees that He will admit the Mujahid in His Cause into Paradise if he is killed, otherwise He will return him to his home safely with rewards and war booty." Abu Dawud (14:2515) - I asked the Prophet (peace_be_upon_him): Who are in Paradise? He replied: "Prophets are in Paradise, martyrs are in Paradise."
This is extremely long to explain, all of those verses and hadith are refering to time of battle because the muslims did not fight just one or two battles there were many, such as the battle of battle of badr, uhud, khandak, al-khandak, Khaybar etc and a lot of these were defencive battles. A lot of your questions would be answered better then I can answer them if you read the bio of Muhammad, If you want a free copy then you find it here[url="http://forum.challengeyoursoul.com/assets/ebooks/miscellaneous/the_sealed_nectar.pdf]Biography of Muhammed - The sealed nectar[/url]
My QuestionYour responsePoint made with the Qur'an being established 610 or 612 after the death of Jesus on the cross, Yes of Course the Muslims would know the true facts with being in a foreign Country from where Jesus was crucified as well. I forgot that there was Instant messages, phone service and text messages back then, please forgive me.
what...?
My QuestionYour responseYou are totally avoiding the question, please confirm the dates asked.
What dates?
NOTE KEY WORDING : Muhammad was " NOT MEANT " to be a decendent of Isaac. You are clearly avoiding a direct question.
If you want me to reword it then I can say that Muhammad was not supposed to be from the decendent of isaac. Although he was still a direct decendent of abraham i.e. through ishmael.
Put the link together elliminating spaces to confirm this:http :// www . associatedcontent .com /article/158761/muslim_council_of_britain_lists_demands. html In this article will reveal that Islam is being forced with commands in the public schools of England. It is kinda sad that you seem to have no knowledge on the Country you live within.Of course they will not admit failing students who do not convert. My British school age family members out of Manchester and other students have throughout the UK. God Bless you my friend.
Thats interesting, I did not come across that on any of the popular news channels nor did one of the members of the islamic council (who happens to be the father of my close friend) mentioned any of this.
But your faith does not promote forced conversion right ? Lets take a look.Sura (9:29) - "Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued."Sura (9:5) - "But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, and seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem ; but if they repent, and establish regular prayers and practice regular charity, then open the way for them..."Sura (9:12) - "But if they repent and establish worship and pay the poor-due, then are they your brethren in religion"Sura (2:193) - "And fight them until persecution is no more, and religion be only for Allah. But if they desist, then let there be no hostility except against wrong-doers."Hadith:Muslim (1:33) -The Messenger of Allah said: "I have been commanded to fight against people till they testify that there is no god but Allah, that Muhammad is the messenger of Allah..." Muslim (19:4294) - "When you meet your enemies who are polytheists , invite them to three courses of action. If they respond to any one of these, you also accept it and withhold yourself from doing them any harm. Invite them to (accept) Islam; if they respond to you, accept it from them and desist from fighting against them ... If they refuse to accept Islam, demand from them the Jizya. If they agree to pay, accept it from them and hold off your hands. If they refuse to pay the tax, seek Allah's help and fight them"Bukhari (8:387) - "Allah's Apostle said, 'I have been ordered to fight the people till they say: 'None has the right to be worshipped but Allah.' And if they say so, pray like our prayers, face our Qibla and slaughter as we slaughter, then their blood and property will be sacred to us and we will not interfere with them except legally and their reckoning will be with Allah.'" Bukhari (53:392) - "While we were in the Mosque, the Prophet came out and said, "Let us go to the Jews" We went out till we reached Bait-ul-Midras. He said to them, "If you embrace Islam, you will be safe. You should know that the earth belongs to Allah and His Apostle, and I want to expel you from this land. So, if anyone amongst you owns some property, he is permitted to sell it, otherwise you should know that the Earth belongs to Allah and His Apostle."Bukhari (2:24) - "Allah's Apostle said: "I have been ordered to fight against the people until they testify that none has the right to be worshipped but Allah and that Muhammad is Allah's Apostle, and offer the prayers perfectly and give the obligatory charity, so if they perform a that, then they save their lives and property from me except for Islamic laws and then their reckoning (accounts) will be done by Allah."
If you live in muslim lands, you have 3 options;1. Invite them to Islam (note the word invite, not force)2. If you are happy with your own religion then you pay a jizyah (tax) which will give you protection from the muslims, and give u access to all the things any other muslim has in their lands.3. If they refuse any of that, then we are not allowed to keep people who worship anyone else other then almighty god (Allah).There is no force involved.
PUBLIC SCHOOLS my friend, reflect back on the same article.KEY WORD " Presume" why are you not sure?Because those of the Islamic faith clearly avoid admiting true fact.
Over here there are many different schools, for example jewish schools, christian schools, catholic schools etc all who only admit the people of that partcular faith i.e. jewish school only allows jews etc.But never the less, whatever the issue is what does this have to do with anything?
Again being from the UK, it can be a truthful answer, however again put the link together without space and into your internet browser.http :// www. investigativeproject. org/article/484
Its late here at night here, I will get back to you once iv read it.
Please watch this video carefully.(again no spaces)http ://www .youtube.com/watch?v= JKUoxbR9mwAAnd Check out this article of a rally held by Muslims in the UK instructing Muslim Military personal to fight their allies ( American Soldiers) http :// www. telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/09/30/nhizb130.xmlPlease link this video and find out.http://www .youtube .com /watch?v=OLK1Xpc7SMQ&mode=related&search=Here is the article to confirm anyhow.http ://www .danielpipes.org/article/83
Islam is perfect, but the muslims are not. Don't judge islam by the muslims judge it by its teachings. If you find a verse you are questioning, then find out why it was revealed and what were the circumstances. and to completely understand the verses of qur'an refer to the life of Muhammad because Muhammad is the living embodiment of the qur'an.
 

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Can you verify that Islam is the truth?
there is proof, logic, wisdom and reason behind everything in islam to a point where one cannot reject it or call it a false religion.Qur'an proving science is a miracle in itself, I can give u examples.
 

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2B. Does Christianity teaches me to insult? No. To teach the REAL truth to everybody so that they (Non-Christians or Non-Jews) may be saved. We exposed Satan evil deceptions.
They say: "Become Jews or Christians if ye would be guided (To salvation)." Say thou: "Nay! (I would rather) the Religion of Abraham the True, and he joined not gods with Allah."{Surah Al-Bakarah 2:135}
3. Nothing to comment as you can not understand prophecy.
1a. An inspired utterance of a prophet, viewed as a revelation of divine will. b. A prediction of the future, made under divine inspiration. c. Such an inspired message or prediction transmitted orally or in writing. 2. The vocation or condition of a prophet. 3. A prediction.​
5. I read and study some of the Qu'ran and read some of the Hadith. Even though I will admit that I have not read every single verses, Parts of the Qu'ran that was extremely important, kills the Truth. And that parts destroy the REAL way of eternal life. I have no reason to look for an arguments, but to see if the Truth can set you free.
And they say: "None shall enter Paradise unless he be a Jew or a Christian." Those are their (vain) desires. Say: "Produce your proof if ye are truthful." Nay,-whoever submits His whole self to Allah and is a doer of good,- He will get his reward with his Lord; on such shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve.{Surah Al-Bakarah 2:111-112}
6. Using a lame tactic to try to deceive me...I am well aware of the fact which spirit is speaking to me.
what....?
7. Again, Islam limits God's ability.
proof?
 

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2B. Does Christianity teaches me to insult? No. To teach the REAL truth to everybody so that they (Non-Christians or Non-Jews) may be saved. We exposed Satan evil deceptions.
They say: "Become Jews or Christians if ye would be guided (To salvation)." Say thou: "Nay! (I would rather) the Religion of Abraham the True, and he joined not gods with Allah."{Surah Al-Bakarah 2:135}(thesuperjag;23317)
3. Nothing to comment as you can not understand prophecy.
1a. An inspired utterance of a prophet, viewed as a revelation of divine will. b. A prediction of the future, made under divine inspiration. c. Such an inspired message or prediction transmitted orally or in writing. 2. The vocation or condition of a prophet. 3. A prediction.​
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5. I read and study some of the Qu'ran and read some of the Hadith. Even though I will admit that I have not read every single verses, Parts of the Qu'ran that was extremely important, kills the Truth. And that parts destroy the REAL way of eternal life. I have no reason to look for an arguments, but to see if the Truth can set you free.
And they say: "None shall enter Paradise unless he be a Jew or a Christian." Those are their (vain) desires. Say: "Produce your proof if ye are truthful." Nay,-whoever submits His whole self to Allah and is a doer of good,- He will get his reward with his Lord; on such shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve.{Surah Al-Bakarah 2:111-112}(thesuperjag;23317)
6. Using a lame tactic to try to deceive me...I am well aware of the fact which spirit is speaking to me.
what....?(thesuperjag;23317)
7. Again, Islam limits God's ability.
proof?1. Yep, you want to avoid the real Truth. (John 3:18) but my Heavenly Father loves you so much. He wants to save our souls, (II Peter 3:9) but that's how you want it to be...(II Corinthians 4:4)2. Okay you gave me the difination, but honestly you do deny prophecy.3. Ephesians 2:8-9 - For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast.4. II Corinthians 11:4 - For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him.5. Qu'ran 2:116, 10:68, 18:4 etc Vs Psalm 2:7 prohecied in Acts 13:33, Hebrews 1:5, Hebrews 5:5Qu'ran 4:157 Vs Philippians 2:8Story: Mark 15 Read if you care for the TruthQu'ran 43:81 Vs II Samuel 7:14 quoted in Hebrews 1:5Qu'ran 4:171 Vs I John 5:7Do I need to remind you of John 9:35 and John 10:36? Oh and how about John 5:23, John 10:30, John 14:7 and John 14:9Jag
 

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I dont know about this but what jag said about Satan and islam and the terror stuff has me SCARED!
 

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1. Yep, you want to avoid the real Truth. (John 3:18) but my Heavenly Father loves you so much. He wants to save our souls, (II Peter 3:9) but that's how you want it to be...(II Corinthians 4:4)2. Okay you gave me the difination, but honestly you do deny prophecy.3. Ephesians 2:8-9 - For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast.4. II Corinthians 11:4 - For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him.5. Qu'ran 2:116, 10:68, 18:4 etc Vs Psalm 2:7 prohecied in Acts 13:33, Hebrews 1:5, Hebrews 5:5Qu'ran 4:157 Vs Philippians 2:8Story: Mark 15 Read if you care for the TruthQu'ran 43:81 Vs II Samuel 7:14 quoted in Hebrews 1:5Qu'ran 4:171 Vs I John 5:7Do I need to remind you of John 9:35 and John 10:36? Oh and how about John 5:23, John 10:30, John 14:7 and John 14:9Jag
I've already made my point, and I sense that you are judging a book by its cover when god in the qur'an has cleary distinguished satan as an open enemy, and god as your protector and saviour. How you can call satan and islam and terrorism into one thing is questionable to your sincerity to seek knowledge and the truth.
 

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A'udzubillaahiminasysyaithonirrojiimBismillaahirrohmaanirrohiimAssalamoo'alaykoom warohmatoollohi wabarokaatooh(IbnFarasat;23375)
I've already made my point, and I sense that you are judging a book by its cover when god in the qur'an has cleary distinguished satan as an open enemy, and god as your protector and saviour. How you can call satan and islam and terrorism into one thing is questionable to your sincerity to seek knowledge and the truth.
Well be patient my brother, some of them are likes in lie rather then knowing truth or telling a real truth. Some of them are more considered human 'thought' truth as a truth rather then God truth
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.Your answer has clear enough as i supposed on Islamic view. But if you not mind either brother, i would like to know what is your response on Jordan last posting.Wassalamoo'alaykoom warohmatoollohi wabarokaatoohWallaahu a'lam.
 

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I've already made my point, and I sense that you are judging a book by its cover when god in the qur'an has cleary distinguished satan as an open enemy, and god as your protector and saviour. How you can call satan and islam and terrorism into one thing is questionable to your sincerity to seek knowledge and the truth.
That's because Satan twisted the truth. Satan doesn't love me, nor does he love you. He hates every single person (souls) living on Earth (past, present and future) He even hates God. Have you not read that Satan tempted Yahshua in the wilderness? Satan is the master deceiver.I'm judging it's cover? It's called discernment. To know which spirit is of God or not. (I John 4:1)I love every single human on Earth, and wished for them to know the Truth. As the Truth can set you and every single Muslim, and other Non-Christians (even so-called Christians) free. Christ so can do that.I hate Satan with a passion as he is the first soul to be damned to the Lake of Fire. (Ezekiel 28:18) I don't feel sorry for him.I've got SO much to say, but I know in my heart that you will not understand the supernatural of what Satan is doing.Jag
 

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Sura (4:23) and Sura (33:52) - A man is permitted to take women as sex slaves outside of marriage.What is this, the Qur'an clearly allows prostitution referring it as 'temporary marriage'
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Temporary marriage is forbidden in islam, and if anyone tries to have a temporary marriage it will not count. But comment on the verse, it may be noted that slavery was a common thing of the past which does not exist no more. Intercourse with the slaves is allowed, by permission.
Are you not insulting Islam for going clearly against a verse from the Qur'an from the only alleged Prophet within the book by saying " Temporary marriage is forbidden in islam " when the book itself permits it ? Who gives the members of the said faith permission to say something against what the book reveals?(Rick;23312)
Sura (4:24) - "And those of whom ye seek content (by marrying them), give unto them their portions as a duty. And there is no sin for you in what ye do by mutual agreement after the duty (hath been done)"Hadith : Muslim (8:3252) - Muhammad clearly allowed his men to use temporary marriage as a sanctioned form of prostitution.
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This was something that began before Muhammad recieved prophethood. Temporary marriage was common and at first nothing was said about it, but afterwords temporary marriage was forbidden and this is the ruling now.
I mean you are really contradicting in almost every post really."Before Muhammad received prophet hood", I mean this has really struck me funny, I mean really Did they have colleges to have this degree? And was Muhammad the only one that graduated from the Courses ? If Muhammad was truly the Prophet of Islam and the only Prophet within the Qur'an, then what the book reveals according to faith can not technically be changed by others who had no part of the book itself. It would be like Saying the youth Pastor of the USA Pentecostal Church has now said John was wrong in the Bible therefor he is changing it. What I am getting to is you are clearly Insulting your own faith by even stating this.I will be back in a bit to continue this I need to step out for a few, God Bless.
 

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Sura (4:23) and Sura (33:52) - A man is permitted to take women as sex slaves outside of marriage.What is this, the Qur'an clearly allows prostitution referring it as 'temporary marriage'
(IbnFarasat;23321)
Temporary marriage is forbidden in islam, and if anyone tries to have a temporary marriage it will not count. But comment on the verse, it may be noted that slavery was a common thing of the past which does not exist no more. Intercourse with the slaves is allowed, by permission.
Are you not insulting Islam for going clearly against a verse from the Qur'an from the only alleged Prophet within the book by saying " Temporary marriage is forbidden in islam " when the book itself permits it ? Who gives the members of the said faith permission to say something against what the book reveals?(Rick;23312)
Sura (4:24) - "And those of whom ye seek content (by marrying them), give unto them their portions as a duty. And there is no sin for you in what ye do by mutual agreement after the duty (hath been done)"Hadith :Muslim (8:3252) - Muhammad clearly allowed his men to use temporary marriage as a sanctioned form of prostitution.
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This was something that began before Muhammad recieved prophethood. Temporary marriage was common and at first nothing was said about it, but afterwords temporary marriage was forbidden and this is the ruling now.
I mean you are really contradicting in almost every post really."Before Muhammad received prophet hood", I mean this has really struck me funny, I mean really Did they have colleges to have this degree? And was Muhammad the only one that graduated from the Courses ? If Muhammad was truly the Prophet of Islam and the only Prophet within the Qur'an, then what the book reveals according to faith can not technically be changed by others who had no part of the book itself. It would be like Saying the youth Pastor of the USA Pentecostal Church has now said John was wrong in the Bible therefor he is changing it. What I am getting to is you are clearly Insulting your own faith by even stating this.I will be back in a bit to continue this I need to step out for a few, God Bless.I agree that IbnFarasat has contradicted himself lots of times...should I requote one? This was my most favorite contradiction I ever read.(thesuperjag;23139)
3. You don't believe that Jesus rose on the third day according to the scriptures. (I Corinthians 15:4) And God is not god of the dead, but God of the living. (Matthew 22:32, Mark 12:27, Luke 20:38)
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If you mean after the crucifiction then no, because we do not believe that god can die nor do we believe that god can have a son, god is not like us. For example take this verse from the qur'an;
IbnFarasat, thanks for admitting that Jesus Christ who is God, was crucified on the cross anyway. And that was the whole point of crucifixion. Kinda shows that Christianity is not a religion. It is a reality. Don't you think? Shows how my posts and Rick rings true.------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Dear RickThank you for the time of telling Truth. It is truly a blessing to hear such Truth. Your knowledge here is very impressive and very admireable.JagLovest ye in Christ Yahshua our Lord and Saviour.