Islam the cult of Anti-Christ !

Rick;23312]Qur said:

No rape is not allow.

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Since when was this Changed? I can prove it from all over the World with Islamic Attacks including one in California where a couple was attacked by Muslims' date=' the Husband was Murdered, and the Wife was beaten and raped and left for dead.

Rick;23312 said:

Illegal sexual relations is not promoted within the Islamic Religion is it not' date=' Hmmm What is this, In the verses known as Sura (56:17) , and Sura (52:24)) covers the area of having sex with young boys referred to in the Qur'an as "perpetual youth" otherwise known as "boys". You will clearly see where they describe where martyrs for the cause of Allah enjoy an orgy of virgins and "perpetual youth".[/QUOTE']

IbnFarasat;23321]This has nothing to do with sex said:

Muhammad was proud apparently of having sexual intercourse with a 9 year old Jewish Girl right ?Muslim (8:3309) - Muhammad married Aisha at the age of nine.Muslim (8:3311) - The girl took her dolls with her to Muhammad's house (something to play with when the "prophet" was not having sex with her).Bukhari (6:298) - Muhammad would take a bath with the little girl and fondle her.

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IbnFarasat;23321]Again said:

Lets have another look where suicide bombings are justified in accordance to the Qur'an:Sura (4:74) - "Let those fight in the way of Allah who sell the life of this world for the other. Whoso fighteth in the way of Allah' date=' be he slain or be he victorious, on him We shall bestow a vast reward."Sura (9:111) - "Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden : they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain: a promise binding on Him in truth, through the Law, the Gospel, and the Qur'an: and who is more faithful to his covenant than Allah? then rejoice in the bargain which ye have concluded: that is the achievement supreme."Sura (2:207) - "And there is the type of man who gives his life to earn the pleasure of Allah..."Sura (61:10-12) - "O ye who believe! Shall I lead you to a bargain that will save you from a grievous Penalty? That ye believe in Allah and His Messenger, and that ye strive (your utmost) in the Cause of Allah, with your property and your persons: That will be best for you, if ye but knew! He will forgive you your sins, and admit you to Gardens beneath which Rivers flow, and to beautiful mansions in Gardens of Eternity: that is indeed the Supreme Achievement."[/QUOTE']

IbnFarasat;23321]There were no bombs 1400 years ago said:

The wording of Suicide BOMBINGS is for today even though I realize I worded that clearly wrong. However the proper wording should of been that the Qur'an promotes the Murder of others even if it means surrendering their own. Now with this said, did they need bombs over the years ?

Rick;23312]Muslim avoid hell by killing for Allah:Qur said:

IbnFarasat;23321]What dates?[/QUOTE]Where I asked you clearly:[quote name= said:

Is it not true that Muhammad created the Qur'an 610 to 612 after the death of our lord and savior Jesus Christ on the Cross?

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Should read "when was the Qur'an fully established?" Please confirm the dates listed as clearly asked.

Rick;23312 said:

NOTE KEY WORDING : Muhammad was " NOT MEANT " to be a decendent of Isaac. You are clearly avoiding a direct question.

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IbnFarasat;23321 said:

If you want me to reword it then I can say that Muhammad was not supposed to be from the decendent of isaac. Although he was still a direct decendent of abraham i.e. through ishmael.

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" NOT MEANT " "supposed". But the fact is that he WAS NOT.

Rick;23312 said:

Put the link together eliminating spaces to confirm this:http :// www . associatedcontent .com /article/158761/muslim_council_of_britain_lists_demands. html In this article will reveal that Islam is being forced with commands in the public schools of England. It is kinda sad that you seem to have no knowledge on the Country you live within.Of course they will not admit failing students who do not convert. My British school age family members out of Manchester and other students have throughout the UK. God Bless you my friend.

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IbnFarasat;23321 said:

Thats interesting' date=' I did not come across that on any of the popular news channels nor did one of the members of the islamic council (who happens to be the father of my close friend) mentioned any of this.[/QUOTE']It is all in the BBC News ever so often AND it is all over online. Being Muslim and within the UK ( If you went to school their). You Know what I mean ' date=' stop denying the fact. I lived in Greater Manchester long enough and I was not born yesterday. The fact is in certain Mid West American Schools Islam is entering public schools such as they did the UK. If Christianity was once banned in Public Schools in America by the Government,Why is the Government here allowing Islam to be taught such as it is mandated in the UK? I do not expect you to know that answer, I just think it is wrong in which the Government needs to be addressed with this issue here and not fall in the path of the Islamic trail in which our National Allies have.

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But your faith does not promote forced conversion right ? Lets take a look.Sura (9:29) - "Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day' date=' nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued."Sura (9:5) - "But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, and seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem ; but if they repent, and establish regular prayers and practice regular charity, then open the way for them..."Sura (9:12) - "But if they repent and establish worship and pay the poor-due, then are they your brethren in religion"Sura (2:193) - "And fight them until persecution is no more, and religion be only for Allah. But if they desist, then let there be no hostility except against wrong-doers."Hadith:Muslim (1:33) -The Messenger of Allah said: "I have been commanded to fight against people till they testify that there is no god but Allah, that Muhammad is the messenger of Allah..." Muslim (19:4294) - "When you meet your enemies who are polytheists , invite them to three courses of action. If they respond to any one of these, you also accept it and withhold yourself from doing them any harm. Invite them to (accept) Islam; if they respond to you, accept it from them and desist from fighting against them ... If they refuse to accept Islam, demand from them the Jizya. If they agree to pay, accept it from them and hold off your hands. If they refuse to pay the tax, seek Allah's help and fight them"Bukhari (8:387) - "Allah's Apostle said, 'I have been ordered to fight the people till they say: 'None has the right to be worshipped but Allah.' And if they say so, pray like our prayers, face our Qibla and slaughter as we slaughter, then their blood and property will be sacred to us and we will not interfere with them except legally and their reckoning will be with Allah.'"Bukhari (53:392) - "While we were in the Mosque, the Prophet came out and said, "Let us go to the Jews" We went out till we reached Bait-ul-Midras. He said to them, "If you embrace Islam, you will be safe. You should know that the earth belongs to Allah and His Apostle, and I want to expel you from this land. So, if anyone amongst you owns some property, he is permitted to sell it, otherwise you should know that the Earth belongs to Allah and His Apostle."Bukhari (2:24) - "Allah's Apostle said: "I have been ordered to fight against the people until they testify that none has the right to be worshipped but Allah and that Muhammad is Allah's Apostle, and offer the prayers perfectly and give the obligatory charity, so if they perform a that, then they save their lives and property from me except for Islamic laws and then their reckoning (accounts) will be done by Allah."[/QUOTE']

IbnFarasat;23321]If you live in muslim lands said:

The United Kingdom was never Muslim land in history. Muslims forced this upon our American Allies. America, Canada and Australia is not either and Muslims are fighting to take control of these Countries as we speak. NICE TRY though.

Rick;23312]PUBLIC SCHOOLS my friend said:

IbnFarasat;23321]Over here there are many different schools said:

Same with Islamic schools however you are missing the point? I clearly state PUBLIC SCHOOLS. What does it have to do with anything? Well it clearly shows the path of the Anti Christ taking over the World before the second coming of Christ.

Rick;23312]Please watch this video carefully.(again no spaces)http ://www .youtube.com/watch?v= JKUoxbR9mwAAnd Check out this article of a rally held by Muslims in the UK instructing Muslim Military personal to fight their allies ( American Soldiers) http :// www. telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/09/30/nhizb130.xmlPlease link this video and find out.[url=http://www]http://www[/url] .youtube .com /watch?v=OLK1Xpc7SMQ&mode=related&search=Here is the article to confirm anyhow.http ://www .danielpipes.org/article/83[/QUOTE][quote name= said:

Islam is perfect' date=' but the muslims are not. Don't judge islam by the muslims judge it by its teachings. If you find a verse you are questioning' date=' then find out why it was revealed and what were the circumstances. and to completely understand the verses of qur'an refer to the life of Muhammad because Muhammad is the living embodiment of the qur'an.[/QUOTE''] Do you not mean Islam is to full of Contradictions and Evil? Being within both religions at certain points of my life, My views are my views and the my lord and savior Jesus Christ has the best true faiths on the Planet back then, now and in the future my friend as you will see on a later date during the second coming of Christ in which my heart and prayers are with you to convert and see the true light that he has blessed us with.

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(thesuperjag;23409)
I agree that IbnFarasat has contradicted himself lots of times...should I requote one? This was my most favorite contradiction I ever read.IbnFarasat, thanks for admitting that Jesus Christ who is God, was crucified on the cross anyway. And that was the whole point of crucifixion. Kinda shows that Christianity is not a religion. It is a reality. Don't you think? Shows how my posts and Rick rings true.------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Dear RickThank you for the time of telling Truth. It is truly a blessing to hear such Truth. Your knowledge here is very impressive and very admireable.JagLovest ye in Christ Yahshua our Lord and Saviour.
God Bless you Jag, feelings are very much mutual on your understanding and facts on the truth in which I in my heart I believe not only the World needs to see this and with the understanding that the religion of Islam is the faith in which the Anti Christ will be within and the second coming of Christ is among us as the Islamic Movement continues to take over all Nations as said within the Qur'an.

(Rick;23398)
Are you not insulting Islam for going clearly against a verse from the Qur'an from the only alleged Prophet within the book by saying " Temporary marriage is forbidden in islam " when the book itself permits it ? Who gives the members of the said faith permission to say something against what the book reveals?
The book is not permitting temporary marriage. what makes you say it permits temporary marriage?
I mean you are really contradicting in almost every post really."Before Muhammad received prophet hood", I mean this has really struck me funny, I mean really Did they have colleges to have this degree? And was Muhammad the only one that graduated from the Courses ? If Muhammad was truly the Prophet of Islam and the only Prophet within the Qur'an, then what the book reveals according to faith can not technically be changed by others who had no part of the book itself. It would be like Saying the youth Pastor of the USA Pentecostal Church has now said John was wrong in the Bible therefor he is changing it. What I am getting to is you are clearly Insulting your own faith by even stating this.I will be back in a bit to continue this I need to step out for a few, God Bless.
Moses was not told that he was a prophet of god until he reached the age of 40, abraham was also told he was a prophet until after he reached a certian age so likewise the other prophets were given prophethood by god once they recieved a certian age. This is the same with Muhammad, god give him prophethood when he reached the age of 40. when angel gabriel decended from the heavens it brought with it a message from god revealing to him that Muhamamd is His chosen messenger. The first verses revealed to him were;Proclaim! (or read!) in the name of thy Lord and Cherisher, Who created-Created man, out of a (mere) clot of congealed bloodProclaim! And thy Lord is Most Bountiful,-[Surah Al-Alaq (The Clot, Read) 96:1-3]But It must be noted that Muhammad is not the only prophet in the qur'an. Below are the list of some of the prophets that are named in the qur'an;1. Prophet Adam2. Prophet Idris (Enoch)3. Prophet Nuh (Noah)4. Prophet Hud5. Prophet Salih6. Prophet Ibrahim (Abraham)7. Prophet Isma'il (Ishmael)8. Prophet Ishaq (Isaac)9. Prophet Yaqub (Jacob)10. Prophet Lot (Lot)11. Prophet Shuaib12. Prophet Yusuf (Joseph)13. Prophet Ayoub (Job)14 . Prophet Dhul-Kifl15. Prophet Yunus (Jonah)16. Prophet Musa (Moses) & Harun (Aaron)17. Prophet Hizqeel (Ezekiel)18. Prophet Elyas (Elisha)19. Prophet Shammil (Samuel)20. Prophet Dawud (David)21. Prophet Sulaiman (Soloman)22. Prophet Shia (Isaiah)23. Prophet Aramaya (Jeremiah)24. Prophet Daniel25. Prophet Uzair (Ezra)26. Prophet Zakariyah (Zechariah)27. Prophet Yahya (John)28. Prophet Isa (Jesus)29. Prophet MuhammadAnd these prophets I have mentioned, their stories are mentioned in the Qur'an. And yes, the qur'an cannot be changed, unlike the christian bible where there are loads of different versions i.e. old testament, new testament, king james version, catholics and so on, while the Qur'an has no versions, Its only one book. And God promised to preserve it, and today there are millions of muslims around the world who have memorized the qur'an in its entirety.“Verily, We, it is We Who have sent down the Dhikr (i.e. the Qur’aan) and surely, We will guard it (from corruption)”[al-Hijr 15:9] If you throw every single bible in the river, you wont be able to bring it back because many christians cant even agree to what the bible is now. But if every single copy of the qur'an was thrown in the ocean we can bring it back in 1 day. Bring a muslim from china, russia, america and australia who have never met each other, they will recite the same qur'an and it will be baught back. This is a miracle in itself.

(thesuperjag;23409)
I agree that IbnFarasat has contradicted himself lots of times...should I requote one? This was my most favorite contradiction I ever read.IbnFarasat, thanks for admitting that Jesus Christ who is God, was crucified on the cross anyway. And that was the whole point of crucifixion. Kinda shows that Christianity is not a religion. It is a reality. Don't you think? Shows how my posts and Rick rings true.Lovest ye in Christ Yahshua our Lord and Saviour.
Iv explained prophethood in my other post, but let me ask you a question;God? dieing? The creation of god 'crucifies' their creator? So god becomes so weak that He lets His creation kill him? How little you know your Lord. Humans die, God does not die but apparently yours does? And not only did he die, he was crucified?...YOU have just pointed out your own contradiction, Almighty god is not as weak as you make Him out to be.

(IbnFarasat;23432)
(thesuperjag;23409)
I agree that IbnFarasat has contradicted himself lots of times...should I requote one? This was my most favorite contradiction I ever read.IbnFarasat, thanks for admitting that Jesus Christ who is God, was crucified on the cross anyway. And that was the whole point of crucifixion. Kinda shows that Christianity is not a religion. It is a reality. Don't you think? Shows how my posts and Rick rings true.Lovest ye in Christ Yahshua our Lord and Saviour.
Iv explained prophethood in my other post, but let me ask you a question;God? dieing? The creation of god 'crucifies' their creator? So god becomes so weak that He lets His creation kill him? How little you know your Lord. Humans die, God does not die but apparently yours does? And not only did he die, he was crucified?...YOU have just pointed out your own contradiction, Almighty god is not as weak as you make Him out to be.Well you did indeed admitted that Jesus Christ was crucified, so you clearly insulted your own faith. And yes Christ who is God did die. And wait He was risen alive on the third day according to the scriptures. (Matthew 20:19, I Corinthians 15:4)John 11:25 - Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:I am making the Almighty God weak? Wow, time to add words into my mouth huh? No thanks. I'll give you words that bring LIFE...but I won't claim it as my words.I Corinthians 1:24 - But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God.I Corinthians 1:25 - Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men; and the weakness of God is stronger than men.I Corinthians 1:27 - But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty;II Corinthians 4:4 - In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.Jag

(thesuperjag;23443)
Well you did indeed admitted that Jesus Christ was crucified, so you clearly insulted your own faith. And yes Christ who is God did die. And wait He was risen alive on the third day according to the scriptures. (Matthew 20:19, I Corinthians 15:4)
Jesus being crusified is the christian belief, if I mentioning that does not mean I am insulting my religion.
Well you did indeed admitted that Jesus Christ was crucified, so you clearly insulted your own faith. And yes Christ who is God did die. And wait He was risen alive on the third day according to the scriptures.I am making the Almighty God weak? Wow, time to add words into my mouth huh? No thanks. I'll give you words that bring LIFE...but I won't claim it as my words.
whao...god dies, god actually dies? Almighty god dies by the very thing that He created? Glory be to Allah! you describe Him with an attribute of a human being. This might be the right time to bring the words that were said to the companions of Muhammad after he died, He said;O Muslims, Who ever wants to worship Muhammad, know that Muhammad is dead. But know that whoever wants to worship Allah know that He is alive and cannot die.

(IbnFarasat;23445)
(thesuperjag;23443)
Well you did indeed admitted that Jesus Christ was crucified, so you clearly insulted your own faith. And yes Christ who is God did die. And wait He was risen alive on the third day according to the scriptures. (Matthew 20:19, I Corinthians 15:4)
Jesus being crusified is the christian belief, if I mentioning that does not mean I am insulting my religion.(thesuperjag;23443)
I am making the Almighty God weak? Wow, time to add words into my mouth huh? No thanks. I'll give you words that bring LIFE...but I won't claim it as my words.
whao...god dies, god actually dies? Almighty god dies by the very thing that He created? Glory be to Allah! you describe Him with an attribute of a human being. This might be the right time to bring the words that were said to the companions of Muhammad after he died, He said;O Muslims, Who ever wants to worship Muhammad, know that Muhammad is dead. But know that whoever wants to worship Allah know that He is alive and cannot die.1. Nice avoiding scriptures by the way.2. Having Christ died on the cross is no longer a Christian believes, it is also Jewish believes because those Jews that have accepted Christ as Saviour...God bless the Jewish people.Christ is the Saviour of the World after all. (John 4:42, I John 4:14)3. Christ is not Muhammad. Christ is not even Allah either. Christ is the Son of God who's Father name is YHWH. He will never be Allah, a pagan god.4. I'm going to spell more Truth in Islam.The Quran has 114 chapters. Lets add them up? Shall we? 1+1+4 = 6Number 6...Wait I wonder who is coming at the SIXTH trumpet? Wait I know it's Satan claiming to be Christ. Fallen angels will be with him too.The Qu'ran has 6,232 verses. Lets add them up? Shall we? 6+2+3+2 = 13Number 13...What does number 13 mean? Wait I know...THIRTEEN. Denotes rebellion, apostasy, defection, dis-integration, revolution, &c. The first occurrence fixes this (Gen. 14:4); and the second confirms it (Gen. 17:25). It, and its multiples, are seen in all numbers, and in the Gematria (see above) of all names and passages that are associated with rebellion, &c.Our Bible has 31,102 Bible verses. Lets add them up? Shall we? 3+1+1+0+2 = 7Wait...number 7...sounds very familiar. Wait I know. It's Jesus Christ coming back at the SEVENTH and Final Trumpet. Seems to me that 7 is God's number. Don't you think?Jag

(thesuperjag;23452)
1. Nice avoiding scriptures by the way.
in the qur'an the bible and torah are already mentioned, christianity is the religion which is about the son of god, not god him self and the proof is in ur words i.e. "Christ is the Son of God who's Father name is YHWH" ...while islam is the religion of monothiesm i.e. 1 god; Say: He is Allah, the One and Only; Allah, the Eternal, Absolute;He begets not, nor is He begotten. And there is none like unto Him. [Surah Ikhlas (The Unity, Sincerity, Oneness Of God) 112]and;“Say (O Muslims): We believe in Allaah and that which has been sent down to us and that which has been sent down to Ibraaheem (Abraham), Ismaa’eel (Ishmael), Ishaaq (Isaac), Ya’qoob (Jacob), and to Al-Asbaat [the offspring of the twelve sons of Ya’qoob (Jacob)], and that which has been given to Moosa (Moses) and ‘Eesa (Jesus), and that which has been given to the Prophets from their Lord. We make no distinction between any of them, and to Him we have submitted (in Islam)”[al-Baqarah 2:136]
Christ is the Saviour of the World after all. (John 4:42, I John 4:14)
“Verily, the likeness of ‘Eesa (Jesus) before Allaah is the likeness of Adam. He created him from dust, then (He) said to him: ‘Be!’ — and he was”[Aal ‘Imraan 3:59] O People of the Scripture! Do not exaggerate in your religion nor utter aught concerning god save the truth. The Messiah, Jesus son of Mary, was only a messenger of god, and His word which He conveyed unto Mary, and a spirit from Him. So believe in god and His messengers, and say not "Three"(Trinity) - Cease! (it is) better for you! - god is only One god. Far is it removed from His Transcendent Majesty that He should have a son. His is all that is in the heavens and all that is in the earth. And Allah is sufficient as Defender.{Surah An-Nisa (The Woman) 4.171}“Who is he that can intercede with Him except with His Permission?”[al-Baqarah 2:255] “Is not He (better than your gods) Who responds to the distressed one, when he calls on Him, and Who removes the evil, and makes you inheritors of the earth, generations after generations?” [al-Naml 27:62]
3. Christ is not Muhammad. Christ is not even Allah either. Christ is the Son of God who's Father name is YHWH. He will never be Allah, a pagan god.
“and be not of Al-Mushrikoon (the polytheists, idolaters, disbelievers in the Oneness of Allaah). This verse refutes that Allah is a pagen god. 'Al' means 'the' 'Lah' means 'the one worshipped (god)' So the word Allah means The one and only worthy of worship and praise, Allah!You could not be further from the truth; “He (Allah(god)) is the Originator of the heavens and the earth. How can He have children when He has no wife? He created all things and He is the All-Knower of everything.”[al-An’aam 6:101 – interpretation of the meaning] Who can say more powerful words then these except god himself; Allah. There is no god but He,-the Living, the Self-subsisting, Eternal. No slumber can seize Him nor sleep. His are all things in the heavens and on earth. Who is there can intercede in His presence except as He permitteth? He knoweth what (appeareth to His creatures as) before or after or behind them. Nor shall they compass aught of His knowledge except as He willeth. His Throne doth extend over the heavens and the earth, and He feeleth no fatigue in guarding and preserving them for He is the Most High, the Supreme (in glory).[Surah Al-Bakarah 2:225]
4. I'm going to spell more Truth in Islam. The Quran has 114 chapters. Lets add them up? Shall we? 1+1+4 = 6 Number 6...Wait I wonder who is coming at the SIXTH trumpet? Wait I know it's Satan claiming to be Christ. Fallen angels will be with him too. The Qu'ran has 6,232 verses. Lets add them up? Shall we? 6+2+3+2 = 13 Number 13...What does number 13 mean? Wait I know... THIRTEEN. Denotes rebellion, apostasy, defection, dis-integration, revolution, &c. The first occurrence fixes this (Gen. 14:4); and the second confirms it (Gen. 17:25). It, and its multiples, are seen in all numbers, and in the Gematria (see above) of all names and passages that are associated with rebellion, &c. Our Bible has 31,102 Bible verses. Lets add them up? Shall we? 3+1+1+0+2 = 7 Wait...number 7...sounds very familiar. Wait I know. It's Jesus Christ coming back at the SEVENTH and Final Trumpet. Seems to me that 7 is God's number. Don't you think? Jag
114 chapters.....You are just unbelievable, what does any of that have to do with islam? I dont know whether to laugh or remain silent. Its better that I just remain silent...

Peace be with you.(Ricky W;22630)
Yes we have problem, why ? Because we are afraid that you all guys will has miss intrepretation against us.
If that be the case, do you stop using the word "jihad"? No, you try to use it and show the real meaning. If you truly believe that Jesus is "the Son of God," you use it, with the real meaning. Actually, I'm sure you know that the Qur'an denies that title for Jesus. "God has no son" is what is on the inside of the Dome of the Rock.
See like your word above. The term the son of God that were bringing with your faith to us has a different meaning. As i said before, the term Son of God in the Bible was person/human(men) who has close relationship with God and as a judge as well as represented God in this world(earth) or we also can say that was a prophet meaning also. We don't mind with this meaning. Meanwhile your faith has a different intrepretation to Jesus regarding on the use of the Son of God.
See above.However, the important thing is not what you and I think. It was what is meant by the Apostle John when he used that title for Jesus.
And if we using what was foretold on John, the moslem are the one who not considered as antichrist, why ? Because we believe with Jesus was sent by God as His Messenger, and also we believe with God who has sent Jesus to the loss lamb of Israel as he ever told.
No, retrace my previous posts. I have shown clearly that John uses "THE Son of God" for Jesus. There is no two ways about it.
And we are not denying it, as i already explain above.
But you are denying the meaning of it.
Actually i'm sure you are understand what i'm talking too. Bring both verses at once not just bring 1 verse that you shown ups there.
huh? You can read my mind?I was having problems understanding because of you English. So, I feel I better clarify rather than create any misunderstanding.
And one another, that is not what Jesus saying or God Him self saying.
But it was John who was writing. As I said, we need to understand them as John understood them.
Yes indeed God The Most High Knows Best, He is the only God which not human or ever in human form, because that is what He has said .Wallahu a'lam.
Well, John was the one who was teaching the Christians that God became flesh and dwelt among us. God knows best.

(cooolway;23115)
We love Jesus Christ (peace be upon him), so why are we Anti-Christ?
You do love a person call Isa ibn Maryam al-Masih. However, is he the same as the Jesus Christ of the Bible? That is the question you need to search and find out for yourself. Therefore, you need to read the Bible and see if the Jesus Christ of the Bible is the same as Isa. BTW, you might also be interested to know if this Isa that is returning is the same too.http://al-mahdi.atspace.com/isa.html

A'udzubillaahiminasysyaithonirrojiimBismillaahirrohmaanirrohiim(yaqub)
Peace be with you.
And unto you.
If that be the case, do you stop using the word "jihad"? No, you try to use it and show the real meaning. If you truly believe that Jesus is "the Son of God," you use it, with the real meaning.
Of course i will use the word Jihad, because it was an honor term and also Quran has using it a lot and well explain in the Quran. Meanwhile the word son of God it self, i believe it was just a tradition word which often being used by Jewish tradition, and not just that, if we are using it, what make us different with you ? We are not following what human want or the tradition is, but we want follow what is God wanted through His Word in the Quran (Wallahu a'lam).And God has spoke clear enough in the Quran, so we follow what God's has said in the Quran.Al Maydah (5):18. (Both) the Jews and the Christians say: "We are sons of Allah, and his beloved." Say: "Why then doth He punish you for your sins? Nay, ye are but men,- of the men he hath created: He forgiveth whom He pleaseth, and He punisheth whom He pleaseth: and to Allah belongeth the dominion of the heavens and the earth, and all that is between: and unto Him is the final goal (of all)"
Actually, I'm sure you know that the Qur'an denies that title for Jesus. "God has no son" is what is on the inside of the Dome of the Rock.
Yes, i do think so also. But from what i understand according to my own viewing regarding on what it says, the verse that pointed on using word denying on the son of God always parallelize with the meaning denying human/Jesus as God.
See above.However, the important thing is not what you and I think. It was what is meant by the Apostle John when he used that title for Jesus.
And i believe if this writers was really the follower of Jesus, he will not pointing the term son of God as a God also. Because that is what it says on the OT.
No, retrace my previous posts. I have shown clearly that John uses "THE Son of God" for Jesus. There is no two ways about it.
As i said before, that's depend on the term it self. For me son of God was not meant God Himself but meant to judge or representative of God trough His Law nor a person/men which is close to God and not meant has relationship direct to God like the way human has between son and father and mother terminology.
But you are denying the meaning of it.
I'll make it clear one more time on my perception. For me son of God means prophet or judge who representative of God Law or a person/men who was close to God known as well as prophet. Is that sound clear to you ?
But it was John who was writing. As I said, we need to understand them as John understood them.
Same as above.
Well, John was the one who was teaching the Christians that God became flesh and dwelt among us. God knows best.
John not saying that God became flesh nor in the whole bible i've seen written that God became flesh, so watch on your word, but Jesus was came in fleshII John 1:7 For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist. Not God come in the flesh, but Jesus was who came in flesh.Wallahu a'lam.

The SonI Jn 4:14 And we have seen and do testify that the Father sent the Son to be the Saviour of the world. The Son of GodJohn 1:34 And I saw, and bare record that this is the Son of God. The Son of the Living GodMatt 16:16 And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God. His Only Begotten SonJohn 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. The Only Begotten Son of GodJohn 3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. The Son of the FatherII Jn 1:3 Grace be with you, mercy, and peace, from God the Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of the Father, in truth and love. The Only Begotten of the FatherJohn 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth. The Only Begotten Son, Which Is in the Bosom of the FatherJohn 1:18 No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him. The Firstborn of Every CreatureCol 1:15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: His Own SonRom 8:32 He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things? A Son GivenIsa 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace. One Son (His well beloved)Mark 12:6 Having yet therefore one son, his wellbeloved, he sent him also last unto them, saying, They will reverence my son. My SonPs 2:7 I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee. His Dear Son (or the Son of His Love)Col 1:13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son: The Son of the HighestLuke 1:32 He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David: The Son of the BlessedMark 14:61 But he held his peace, and answered nothing. Again the high priest asked him, and said unto him, Art thou the Christ, the Son of the Blessed? Testimony borne to the SON by the Father, by Jesus Himself, by the Spirit, by Angels, Saints, Men, and Devils. My Beloved SonMatt 17:5 While he yet spake, behold, a bright cloud overshadowed them: and behold a voice out of the cloud, which said, This is My beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased; hear ye him. (God the Father) I Am the Son of GodJohn 10:36 Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God? (Jesus Himself) The Son of GodMark 1:1 The beginning of the gospel of Jesus Christ, the Son of God; (the Spirit in the Word) Luke 1:35 And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God. (Gabriel) Luke 2:11 For unto you is born this day in the city of David a Saviour, which is Christ the Lord. (Gabriel) This is the Son of GodJohn 1:34 And I saw, and bare record that this is the Son of God. (John the Baptist) The Christ, the Son of GodJohn 20:31 But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name. (Apostle John) He Is the Son of GodActs 9:20 And straightway he preached Christ in the synagogues, that he is the Son of God. (Apostle John) Thou Art the Son of GodMatt 14:33 Then they that were in the ship came and worshipped him, saying, Of a truth thou art the Son of God. (Disciples) Rabbi, Thou Art the Son of GodJohn 1:49 Nathanael answered and saith unto him, Rabbi, thou art the Son of God; thou art the King of Israel. (Nathanael) The Christ Is the Son of GodActs 8:37 And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God. (Ethiopian Eunuch) Truly This Was the Son of GodMark 15:39 And when the centurion, which stood over against him, saw that he so cried out, and gave up the ghost, he said, Truly this man was the Son of God. (Centurion) Thou Art the Son of GodMark 3:11 And unclean spirits, when they saw him, fell down before him, and cried, saying, Thou art the Son of God. (the unclean spirits) Thou Son of the Most High GodMark 5:7 And cried with a loud voice, and said, What have I to do with thee, Jesus, thou Son of the most high God? I adjure thee by God, that thou torment me not. (The Legion)

A'udzubillaahiminasysyaithonirrojiimBismillaahirrohmaanirrohiim(ami;23627)
The SonI Jn 4:14 And we have seen and do testify that the Father sent the Son to be the Saviour of the world. The Son of GodJohn 1:34 And I saw, and bare record that this is the Son of God. The Son of the Living GodMatt 16:16 And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God. His Only Begotten SonJohn 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. The Only Begotten Son of GodJohn 3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. The Son of the FatherII Jn 1:3 Grace be with you, mercy, and peace, from God the Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of the Father, in truth and love. The Only Begotten of the FatherJohn 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth. The Only Begotten Son, Which Is in the Bosom of the FatherJohn 1:18 No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him. The Firstborn of Every CreatureCol 1:15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: His Own SonRom 8:32 He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things? A Son GivenIsa 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace. One Son (His well beloved)Mark 12:6 Having yet therefore one son, his wellbeloved, he sent him also last unto them, saying, They will reverence my son. My SonPs 2:7 I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee. His Dear Son (or the Son of His Love)Col 1:13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son: The Son of the HighestLuke 1:32 He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David: The Son of the BlessedMark 14:61 But he held his peace, and answered nothing. Again the high priest asked him, and said unto him, Art thou the Christ, the Son of the Blessed? Testimony borne to the SON by the Father, by Jesus Himself, by the Spirit, by Angels, Saints, Men, and Devils. My Beloved SonMatt 17:5 While he yet spake, behold, a bright cloud overshadowed them: and behold a voice out of the cloud, which said, This is My beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased; hear ye him. (God the Father) I Am the Son of GodJohn 10:36 Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God? (Jesus Himself) The Son of GodMark 1:1 The beginning of the gospel of Jesus Christ, the Son of God; (the Spirit in the Word) Luke 1:35 And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God. (Gabriel) Luke 2:11 For unto you is born this day in the city of David a Saviour, which is Christ the Lord. (Gabriel) This is the Son of GodJohn 1:34 And I saw, and bare record that this is the Son of God. (John the Baptist) The Christ, the Son of GodJohn 20:31 But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name. (Apostle John) He Is the Son of GodActs 9:20 And straightway he preached Christ in the synagogues, that he is the Son of God. (Apostle John) Thou Art the Son of GodMatt 14:33 Then they that were in the ship came and worshipped him, saying, Of a truth thou art the Son of God. (Disciples) Rabbi, Thou Art the Son of GodJohn 1:49 Nathanael answered and saith unto him, Rabbi, thou art the Son of God; thou art the King of Israel. (Nathanael) The Christ Is the Son of GodActs 8:37 And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God. (Ethiopian Eunuch) Truly This Was the Son of GodMark 15:39 And when the centurion, which stood over against him, saw that he so cried out, and gave up the ghost, he said, Truly this man was the Son of God. (Centurion) Thou Art the Son of GodMark 3:11 And unclean spirits, when they saw him, fell down before him, and cried, saying, Thou art the Son of God. (the unclean spirits) Thou Son of the Most High GodMark 5:7 And cried with a loud voice, and said, What have I to do with thee, Jesus, thou Son of the most high God? I adjure thee by God, that thou torment me not. (The Legion)
Doest all verse that you are bring there about son of God was has the meaning God as well ? Proof ?And I can proof to you too, if you want that the meaning son of God was god, but not God.And the son of God was prophet.Now ami, i would like you to proof on me from what i question, i would like to see your argument , hopely it can gain my knowledge , thanks.Wallahu a'lam.

A'udzubillaahiminasysyaithonirrojiimBismillaahirrohmaanirrohiim(Code_RED)
What nonsense is this ?Quran is not changed? Why do every muslim asks for referense when ever quoted from quran and then claim that ''oh no, this is a weak translation''. The different versions of bible you see are mere translations. Just as much you have translation issues, so dose christians !
You may bring the arabic if you really want to understand or knowing better, and from there you can have more better translation, wether it saying like it meant or not. It's different with the bible, which there is Alexandrian Text, and there is byzantine text, which one to other some of them against each other. You got what i meant ? And between one translation to another also contradict each of them, your friend Jordan/Jag has proven what i meant.
If what you are saying is true, then why aren't the tweleve Imams mentioned in the quran that shias so strongly believe in? Where has that part of quran gone?
Shia's has there own believe, that's because they adding by their self those verse, but NOT ALL SHIA's done that, only few of the shia's sects who done that. And perhaps you are one of the shia's murtader. And you may asked that to shia's because we are not.
If you are saying is true then why did muhammed followed the teachings of Torah which are till today in practice e.g stoning to death in case of adultery? Whereas quran only permits lashes. Why dose what is written in Torah superceeds quran?
You need to understand this, prophet Muhammad s.a.w. was following what God has commanded on him, not following his onw desire and passion ! And one another think, God has spoken in the QuranAl Ahzab(33):36. It is not fitting for a Believer, man or woman, when a matter has been decided by Allah and His Messenger to have any option about their decision: if any one disobeys Allah and His Messenger, he is indeed on a clearly wrong Path.
Throw quran in the ocean... try doing that and there will be a fatwa hanging on your head. Why so scared?
Ge... Code_red, that was only an idiom. And that idiom is to proving on you, that event the hand writing, papyrus, or what ever the name is, was gone, the Quran will remain exist, because God guarding it through His slave(moslem) which is they remember it in their mind. And regarding on the fatwa, what is the purpose of "Moslem" throwing away the Quran if not the purpose was to humiliate God ? If that the case, then he/she has become a murtad, which is need the person to asked to taubat, if still ignore, then the punishment must be engage according to the rule of the country who using the Islamic Law.I hope you can understand my ugly language Code.Wallahu a'lam.

A'udzubillaahiminasysyaithonirrojiimBismillaahirrohmaanirrohiim(Code_RED)
I would like to conclude that all prophets in the bible are decendants of Issac whereas Mohammed in quran is the only prophet who is the decendant of Ishmael.
I wonder, can you show me the blood line of Jonah through Isaac ?It is not you who sent the prophets, it is God will to whom He will sent His Messenger. By the way, is it Lot and Abraham was descents to Isaac ? And is it Enoch(i edited from first post which is before was Cain-my mistake) was also descents of Isaac ?For your lovely answer, i shall say thank you .Where is Code_Red, I wonder can he responsible from what he already said :? ?Wallahu a'lam.

(Code_RED;23643)
What nonsense is this ?Quran is not changed? Why do every muslim asks for referense when ever quoted from quran and then claim that ''oh no, this is a weak translation''. The different versions of bible you see are mere translations. Just as much you have translation issues, so dose christians !If what you are saying is true, then why aren't the tweleve Imams mentioned in the quran that shias so strongly believe in? Where has that part of quran gone? If you are saying is true then why did muhammed followed the teachings of Torah which are till today in practice e.g stoning to death in case of adultery? Whereas quran only permits lashes. Why dose what is written in Torah superceeds quran?Throw quran in the ocean... try doing that and there will be a fatwa hanging on your head. Why so scared?
If different translations within the bible was the case then why do some bibles have more chapters then others? some have 63 chapters, while some have 78 chapters and some dont even believe in the trinity to begin with. There is no fixed belief as some christians claim jesus is the son of god, or jesus IS god, or that he is part of 3 god heads which apparently make one god. I don't even understand the trinity.Yes qur'an is not changed and nor did I claim any weak translation and the 12 Imams are not mentioned in the Qur'an so they have nothing to do with islam because the major part of the Islamic belief is in the qur'an.Muhammad never followed the teachings of the torah because he always followed the teachings of Qur'an, what made you say that? If you are referring to the capital punishments which are mentioned in the torah then the torah was the word of god but over time it was changed by men which is the same case with the bible, hence loads of different versions i.e. old testament and new testament.Then woe to those who write the Book with their own hands, and then say:"This is from God," to traffic with it for miserable price!- Woe to them for what their hands do write, and for the gain they make thereby.[Surah Al-Baqarah 2:79]The word of Allah is the same as to all the prophets, i.e. worship none but Him but if you transgress then god has prescribed punishments, which if undergo in this world, will spare the punishments in the day of ressurection.Throwing the Qur'an/bible in the ocean was an example because the qur'an is preserved by god, so even if someone tried to change it then it will be picked up immediately.

*Sigh* As long you guys don't know the true Jesus, you will never understand God. Christians don't worship 3 Gods. Christians worship one God. Give me a break here. You can only rely on the physical eyesight and that is sad.This world is so stupid. No wonder why they can't read His word at all or read it straight.Jag

Salaam aleikumNot many people claim to understand the trinity. It is impossible for finite human minds to understand eternal God. But lets get rid of some misunderstandings and try clarify what Christians mean by "the Son of God". Firstly of course it is blasphemy to say God and Mary had sex and produced a baby Jesus. To both Christians and Muslims this is unthinkable.In Arabic there is a saying "Ibn is sabil" which literally means "son of the road". It is used e.g in Surah 8:41. It means a traveller or wayfarer. What does "son of the road" mean? Does it mean two roads had sex and produced a baby, who is a traveller? No, it is not meant physically, it is meant spiritually. When the Bible says Christ is the Son of God, it does not mean it physically. So what does Son of God mean? It means Christ reveals the very nature of God to mankind. What else does it mean that He is a sign to all peoples? (Surah 21:91). He came to make God known to us. “1In the past God spoke to our forefathers through the prophets at many times and in various ways, 2but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, and through whom he made the universe. 3The Son is the radiance of God's glory and the exact representation of his being, sustaining all things by his powerful word” (Heb 1:1-3). “He is the image of the invisible God” (Col 1:15). If we seek God we can come to know Him only through Christ because only He has shown Him to us - He is the way to God.__________________________________________Grace and peace in the name of Isa al-Masih

A'udzubillaahiminasysyaithonirrojiimBismillaahirrohmaanirrohiim(thesuperjag)
*Sigh* As long you guys don't know the true Jesus, you will never understand God. Christians don't worship 3 Gods. Christians worship one God. Give me a break here. You can only rely on the physical eyesight and that is sad.
We, moslem will not sight at all event the whole world will saying lying against us, because Allah (God of Universe) always among who believe in Him. For me that's enough Allah who was knowing the whole think in the world whether in the past, present nor in the future. We need not human though or human saying but only to Allah and His Messenger (peace be upon them). And what Quran saying was to stop on you (all christian ) saying Three (Trinity), that clear enough i suppose.You can use your clear mind and clear heart Jag, you said one, but three of them was different. Think well Jordan, how can you explain or see three different think but still you saying One.
This world is so stupid. No wonder why they can't read His word at all or read it straight.Jag
Watch out on your tongue, jordan.Matthew 55:22 But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.Wallaahu a'lam.