Christ the risen Saviour, not potential Saviour!

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Below is the context of the quoted verses.

Titu 3:5.

Graces of the Heirs of Grace

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Remind them to be subject to rulers and authorities, to obey, to be ready for every good work, 2 to speak evil of no one, to be peaceable, gentle, showing all humility to all men. 3 For we ourselves were also once foolish, disobedient, deceived, serving various lusts and pleasures, living in malice and envy, hateful and hating one another. 4 But when the kindness and the love of God our Savior toward man appeared, 5 not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to His mercy He saved us, through the washing of regeneration and renewing of the Holy Spirit, 6 whom He poured out on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Savior, 7 that having been justified by His grace we should become heirs according to the hope of eternal life.

Gal 2:16.

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But when I saw that they were not straightforward about the truth of the gospel, I said to Peter before them all, “If you, being a Jew, live in the manner of Gentiles and not as the Jews, why do you compel Gentiles to live as Jews? 15 We who are Jews by nature, and not sinners of the Gentiles, 16 knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law but by faith in Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Christ Jesus, that we might be justified by faith in Christ and not by the works of the law; for by the works of the law no flesh shall be justified.

Ephesians 2:8-9.

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But God, who is rich in mercy, because of His great love with which He loved us, 5 even when we were dead in trespasses, made us alive together with Christ (by grace you have been saved), 6 and raised us up together, and made us sit together in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus, 7 that in the ages to come He might show the exceeding riches of His grace in His kindness toward us in Christ Jesus. 8 For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, 9 not of works, lest anyone should boast. 10 For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand that we should walk in them.

Romans 3:28.

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Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? Of works? No, but by the law of faith. 28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith apart from the deeds of the law. 29 Or is He the God of the Jews only? Is He not also the God of the Gentiles? Yes, of the Gentiles also, 30 since there is one God who will justify the circumcised by faith and the uncircumcised through faith. 31 Do we then make void the law through faith? Certainly not! On the contrary, we establish the law.

Romans 4:5.

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But to him who does not work but believes on Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is accounted for righteousness, 6 just as David also describes the blessedness of the man to whom God imputes righteousness apart from works:

7 “Blessed are those whose lawless deeds are forgiven,
And whose sins are covered;
8 Blessed is the man to whom the Lord shall not impute sin.”​

Romans 5:1

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Therefore, having been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ, 2 through whom also we have access by faith into this grace in which we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God. 3 And not only that, but we also glory in tribulations, knowing that tribulation produces perseverance; 4 and perseverance, character; and character, hope. 5 Now hope does not disappoint, because the love of God has been poured out in our hearts by the Holy Spirit who was given to us.

Shalom
1 Cor 15:1-4, Eph 1:13 is how believers 'TODAY' are justified, saved & sealed
Titu 3:5, Eph 2:8-9, Gal 2:16, Rom 3:28, Rom 4:5, Rom 5:1 are the performance requirements >> NONE
Rom 14:10, 1 Cor 3:10-15, 2 Cor 5:10 is where THOUGH SAVED, our life lead will be judged.
1 Cor 5:1-5, 1 Cor 11:27-30 teaches the possible 'today' consequences of certain levels of sin in a SAVED believers life.
 

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Now when its stated that Christ gives as a Saviour forgiveness of sins to His People Israel, Acts 5:31 synonymous with forgiveness of sins is non imputation of sins. Lets read Rom 4 when Paul writes 7-8

7 Saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered.

8 Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin.

So those whom Christ is A Saviour unto, whom He gives forgiveness, the Lord doesnt and will not impute sin unto them. See also 2 Cor 5:19 for non imputation.

So if Christ died for ones sins, He gives them forgiveness/non imputation of sin.

So consequently they which shall die in their sins in unbelief Jn 8:24 cannot possibly have Christ as their Saviour, that would be a contradiction to Him being a Prince and a Saviour. 2
 

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Believing & trusting in the death/burial/resurrection of Christ for the forgivesness of sin is works ?
How so ?
Yes its works, because you make those acts [believing and trusting] conditions man must meet in order for him to get saved.
 

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Yes its works, because you make those acts [believing and trusting] conditions man must meet in order for him to get saved.
Explain how the following verses :-
Titus 3:5-7,Gal 2:16,Eph 2:8-9,Rom 3:28,Rom 4:5,Rom 5:1
teaches that hearing, believing, trusting the 1 Cor 15:1-4, Eph 1:13 saving Gospel is works :gd
 

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Christ came to seek and to save that which was lost ! Lk 19:10

10 For the Son of man is come to seek and to save that which was lost.

This defines the work of Christ the Saviour


Now of course this presupposes that prior to Christ coming to seek and to save individuals they are in a state of being lost. All men naturally are lost, estranged from God, alienated from God, however do they which Christ came to seek and TO SAVE remain Lost ? The answer is no, for that would contradict the work of a Saviour. So did Christ come to seek and to save they which will be ultimately lost in their sins on the last day, in the final Judgment ? The answer is NO ! And to say that Christ is the Saviour of such is an attack on Christ as a Savior of lost men ! Christ came to save His People from their sins, but false teachers would tell us Christ doesn't save some people whom He came to save because of their sins, even the sin of unbelief. What is unbelief but sinfulness and disobedience ? 5
 

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Explain how the following verses :-
Titus 3:5-7,Gal 2:16,Eph 2:8-9,Rom 3:28,Rom 4:5,Rom 5:1
teaches that hearing, believing, trusting the 1 Cor 15:1-4, Eph 1:13 saving Gospel is works :gd
You havent paid attention to one thing I have already explained. Read my posts starting with op
 

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You havent paid attention to one thing I have already explained. Read my posts starting with op
The saving Gospel today is 1 Cor 15:1-4, Eph 1:13
Works required are NONE >> Titus 3:5-7,Gal 2:16,Eph 2:8-9,Rom 3:28,Rom 4:5,Rom 5:1
List the verses FROM PAUL that teach the above verses are defined as 'works'.
Can you do that ? NO
So instead you try & spin some no sense nonsense.
 

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You not paying attention. The Gospel has always been that.

eg. so John the Baptist ALSO taught the same as Paul (MY GOSPEL) 1 Cor 15:1-4, Eph 1:13 as the saving Gospel for today ?
What verses support your claim ?
Let's see what Scripture writes :-

Gal 1:
11But I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached of me is not after man.
12For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ.
What verses support your claim ?

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eg. so John the Baptist ALSO taught the same as Paul (MY GOSPEL) 1 Cor 15:1-4, Eph 1:13 as the saving Gospel for today ?
Yeah, there is only one Gospel. Of course you cant see it, nor believe it
 

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The Promise of God was never that He would save all humanity without exception, but a particular world of Individuals called Israel. Isa 45:17

But Israel shall be saved in the Lord with an everlasting salvation: ye shall not be ashamed nor confounded world without end.
 

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Quote scriptureIt only means that you are a repeater.Learning is what you need to understand the holy spirit.
 

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Verses cant help you, Ive been testifying to the Gospel since the OP
1 Cor 15:1-4, Eph 1:13 is the saving Gospel for today.
If you disagree then you will be able to list the verses that support you.
 

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You dont believe or understand them verses
You said >>>>""Verses cant help you, Ive been testifying to the Gospel since the OP""
I responed >>>1 Cor 15:1-4, Eph 1:13 is the saving Gospel for today.
I asked >>>>> If you disagree then you will be able to list the verses that support you.
You said >>>>""You dont believe or understand them verses""
Conclusion, you don't have verses to support what you claim
I like people like you lfhhlf
 
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Israel here in Isa 45:17 doesnt mean ethnic jews, though some of them are included, but its speaking about Gods Elect from all nations and kindreds and peoples and tongues. Its nothing other than the Church, the Body of Christ, the Saviour of His People. 6
 

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Salvation is premised upon Gods Promise, and Christ was the fulfillment of that Promise, and for this cause He was raised according to Promise a Saviour unto who ? What does this scripture say ? Acts 13:23

Of this man's seed hath God according to his promise raised unto Israel a Saviour, Jesus: