PETER PREACHED THE 'SAME'... GOSPEL PAUL DID

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Hyper-Grace, or Hyper-Dispensationalism...

That is a Protestant movement that began in the 19th century by British Bible scholar E.W. Bullinger. In Bullinger's era the false Pre-tribulational Rapture theory was being preached by British preacher John Nelson Darby, starting in the 1830's. Bullinger, who was an excellent Bible scholar, had succumbed to that false doctrine of Darby's Dispensationalist theories that had become popular in those days in Britain, and later in America.

That movement is where the idea that the Church only began with Apostle Paul's ministry. It is also sometimes called Mid-Acts Dispensationalism. And this is where the false ideas of a Dual-Gospel originates, i.e., that The Gospel that Lord Jesus and His Apostles preached was a different Gospel than what Apostle Paul preached.

In Bible Scripture like the following, Hyper-Grace sees a DIFFERENT GOSPEL being claimed by Apostle Paul for the Gentiles...

Eph 3:1-12
3 For this cause I Paul, the prisoner of Jesus Christ for you Gentiles,
2 If ye have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God which is given me to youward:
3 How that by revelation he made known unto me
the mystery; (as I wrote afore in few words,
4 Whereby, when ye read, ye may understand my knowledge in
the mystery of Christ)
5
Which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men, as it is now revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit;
6 That the Gentiles should be fellowheirs, and of the same body, and partakers of His promise in Christ by the gospel:

Paul's idea of "the mystery" is played to the hilt by the Hyper-Grace crowd, pumped up as being a DIFFERENT GOSPEL than what Christ or His Apostles had preached.

Yet in the above notice Paul even says the mystery given him, "as it is now revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit," means the other Apostles ALSO were shown about that 'mystery'. In reality per Acts 10, Apostle Peter was FIRST to be shown about The Gospel also going to the Gentiles!

7 Whereof I was made a minister, according to the gift of the grace of God given unto me by the effectual working of His power.
8 Unto me, who am less than the least of all saints, is this grace given, that I should preach among the Gentiles the unsearchable riches of Christ;
9 And to make all men see what is the fellowship of
the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, Who created all things by Jesus Christ:
10 To the intent that now unto the principalities and powers in heavenly places might be known by the church the manifold wisdom of God,
11 According to the eternal purpose which He purposed in Christ Jesus our Lord:
12 In Whom we have boldness and access with confidence by the faith of Him.
KJV


A thorough study in The Old Testament reveals this 'mystery' of God's Plan of Salvation also for the believing Gentiles. That is evident in the many Old Testament Scriptures by the prophets about the Gentiles being gathered along with the seed of Israel in the future restoration of the Kingdom of Israel under "one head" (Jesus Christ). What was not yet known at that time... was how Lord Jesus Christ would come to die on the cross and be raised from the dead to accomplish The Gospel Promise of the remission of sins for those who believe on Him. And that even though God had given His prophets David and Isaiah to write about Christ's crucifixion (See Psalms 22 and Isaiah 53).

Also, in Galatians 2:7-8, the Hyper-Dispensationalist crowd abuses that Scripture by claiming two different Gospels, when Paul is actually pointing to two different ADMINISTRATIONS of the SAME Gospel of Jesus Christ. Peter was sent to take The One Gospel to the Jews, and Paul was sent to take the same One Gospel to the Gentiles. And when Peter's Jewish brethren from Jerusalem came to visit him and Paul, Peter separated himself from the Gentiles he had associated with before they came. Paul rebuked Peter for it, showing that The Gospel Peter had was NOT another or different Gospel than what Paul had.

This means... Apostle Paul was DEFINITELY NOT proclaiming he had received a DIFFERENT GOSPEL of Jesus Christ.

What Paul was proclaiming is that he was especially 'chosen' by Jesus to take the ONE GOSPEL also to the Gentiles. Per Acts 9, Jesus said He chose Paul to preach to the Gentiles, AND... to kings, AND... to the children of Israel. Think about that last one, the children of Israel. If Paul had ANOTHER GOSPEL meant only for Gentiles, then HOW could he preach that to the "children of Israel" also? Even that reveals The Gospel Paul preached to Gentiles is the SAME Gospel that Lord Jesus and all... His Apostles had, including Paul.

Thus the Pauline arguments about another Gospel, or two different Gospels, is BOGUS, and nothing but PROPAGANDA against God's Word. WHY... would these men pushing the dual-gospel idea push such falsehood? I mean, even Bullinger succumbed to the lie!

It was because of the preaching of the false Pre-trib Rapture theory that began in 1830's Great Britain. Darby had a specific brand of Dispensation theory about the Bible eras. Because the false Pre-trib Rapture theory pushes the false idea that Christ in secret comes to rapture His Church to Heaven PRIOR... to the "great tribulation", Darby created a type of Dispensation theory about that to cover that false rapture idea.

Darby's Dispensation theory involving the rapture involves the Church being raptured by Christ prior to the tribulation while the unbelieving Jews remain on earth to go through that tribulation. Then, at the end of the tribulation, Jesus will then gather any of those Jews who converted to Jesus during the trib, and take them also to Heaven to be with the Church, where Jesus and the Church will reign over the 'restored' Kingdom of Israel on earth made up of Jews. The whole idea is a false separation of the nation of ISRAEL from Christ's Church. That was Darby's Dispensationalist idea for the future at Jesus' 2nd coming.


HOWEVER... the Biblical Reality is this:


According to Zechariah 14, which is about Lord Jesus' future return to earth on the "day of the Lord", His feet are to touch down upon the Mount of Olives east of Jerusalem, ON EARTH, at His 2nd coming. And it says He will bring all His saints with Him to that spot, ON EARTH. That Mount of Olives is where Jesus ascended to Heaven from per Acts 1. That is the spot He will return to at His future coming. And Jerusalem, ON EARTH, is where He... and His Church, will reign over ALL nations from, ON EARTH. The Revelation 20:9 Scripture calls that place in the future the "camp of the saints", ON EARTH.

Now just WHO would want us to think that Christ's Salvation contains two different Salvations, one for the Jews, and another for Gentiles? Who doesn't want... the Gentiles to be part of their Salvation Promises from our Heavenly Father? Think about that, and you will eventually discover just who... is behind the start of that false Hyper-Dispensationalist theory and the false Pre-trib Rapture theory, which both are designed to separate the nation of ISRAEL apart from Christ's Church. Then remember what Apostle Paul said below when you hear that false doctrine of men being preached in your Church...

Gal 3:26-29
26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
28
There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
KJV
 
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Hyper-Grace, or Hyper-Dispensationalism...

That is a Protestant movement that began in the 19th century by British Bible scholar E.W. Bullinger. In Bullinger's era the false Pre-tribulational Rapture theory was being preached by British preacher John Nelson Darby, starting in the 1830's. Bullinger, who was an excellent Bible scholar, had succumbed to that false doctrine of Darby's Dispensationalist theories that had become popular in those days in Britain, and later in America.

That movement is where the idea that the Church only began with Apostle Paul's ministry. It is also sometimes called Mid-Acts Dispensationalism. And this is where the false ideas of a Dual-Gospel originates, i.e., that The Gospel that Lord Jesus and His Apostles preached was a different Gospel than what Apostle Paul preached.

In Bible Scripture like the following, Hyper-Grace sees a DIFFERENT GOSPEL being claimed by Apostle Paul for the Gentiles...

Eph 3:1-12
3 For this cause I Paul, the prisoner of Jesus Christ for you Gentiles,
2 If ye have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God which is given me to youward:
3 How that by revelation he made known unto me
the mystery; (as I wrote afore in few words,
4 Whereby, when ye read, ye may understand my knowledge in
the mystery of Christ)
5
Which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men, as it is now revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit;
6 That the Gentiles should be fellowheirs, and of the same body, and partakers of His promise in Christ by the gospel:

Paul's idea of "the mystery" is played to the hilt by the Hyper-Grace crowd, pumped up as being a DIFFERENT GOSPEL than what Christ or His Apostles had preached.

Yet in the above notice Paul even says the mystery given him, "as it is now revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit," means the other Apostles ALSO were shown about that 'mystery'. In reality per Acts 10, Apostle Peter was FIRST to be shown about The Gospel also going to the Gentiles!

7 Whereof I was made a minister, according to the gift of the grace of God given unto me by the effectual working of His power.
8 Unto me, who am less than the least of all saints, is this grace given, that I should preach among the Gentiles the unsearchable riches of Christ;
9 And to make all men see what is the fellowship of
the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, Who created all things by Jesus Christ:
10 To the intent that now unto the principalities and powers in heavenly places might be known by the church the manifold wisdom of God,
11 According to the eternal purpose which He purposed in Christ Jesus our Lord:
12 In Whom we have boldness and access with confidence by the faith of Him.
KJV


A thorough study in The Old Testament reveals this 'mystery' of God's Plan of Salvation also for the believing Gentiles. That is evident in the many Old Testament Scriptures by the prophets about the Gentiles being gathered along with the seed of Israel in the future restoration of the Kingdom of Israel under "one head" (Jesus Christ). What was not yet known at that time... was how Lord Jesus Christ would come to die on the cross and be raised from the dead to accomplish The Gospel Promise of the remission of sins for those who believe on Him. And that even though God had given His prophets David and Isaiah to write about Christ's crucifixion (See Psalms 22 and Isaiah 53).

Also, in Galatians 2:7-8, the Hyper-Dispensationalist crowd abuses that Scripture by claiming two different Gospels, when Paul is actually pointing to two different ADMINISTRATIONS of the SAME Gospel of Jesus Christ. Peter was sent to take The One Gospel to the Jews, and Paul was sent to take the same One Gospel to the Gentiles. And when Peter's Jewish brethren from Jerusalem came to visit him and Paul, Peter separated himself from the Gentiles he had associated with before they came. Paul rebuked Peter for it, showing that The Gospel Peter had was NOT another or different Gospel than what Paul had.

This means... Apostle Paul was DEFINITELY NOT proclaiming he had received a DIFFERENT GOSPEL of Jesus Christ.

What Paul was proclaiming is that he was especially 'chosen' by Jesus to take the ONE GOSPEL also to the Gentiles. Per Acts 9, Jesus said He chose Paul to preach to the Gentiles, AND... to kings, AND... to the children of Israel. Think about that last one, the children of Israel. If Paul had ANOTHER GOSPEL meant only for Gentiles, then HOW could he preach that to the "children of Israel" also? Even that reveals The Gospel Paul preached to Gentiles is the SAME Gospel that Lord Jesus and all... His Apostles had, including Paul.

Thus the Pauline arguments about another Gospel, or two different Gospels, is BOGUS, and nothing but PROPAGANDA against God's Word. WHY... would these men pushing the dual-gospel idea push such falsehood? I mean, even Bullinger succumbed to the lie!

It was because of the preaching of the false Pre-trib Rapture theory that began in 1830's Great Britain. Darby had a specific brand of Dispensation theory about the Bible eras. Because the false Pre-trib Rapture theory pushes the false idea that Christ in secret comes to rapture His Church to Heaven PRIOR... to the "great tribulation", Darby created a type of Dispensation theory about that to cover that false rapture idea.

Darby's Dispensation theory involving the rapture involves the Church being raptured by Christ prior to the tribulation while the unbelieving Jews remain on earth to go through that tribulation. Then, at the end of the tribulation, Jesus will then gather any of those Jews who converted to Jesus during the trib, and take them also to Heaven to be with the Church, where Jesus and the Church will reign over the 'restored' Kingdom of Israel on earth made up of Jews. The whole idea is a false separation of the nation of ISRAEL from Christ's Church. That was Darby's Dispensationalist idea for the future at Jesus' 2nd coming.


HOWEVER... the Biblical Reality is this:


According to Zechariah 14, which is about Lord Jesus' future return to earth on the "day of the Lord", His feet are to touch down upon the Mount of Olives east of Jerusalem, ON EARTH, at His 2nd coming. And it says He will bring all His saints with Him to that spot, ON EARTH. That Mount of Olives is where Jesus ascended to Heaven from per Acts 1. That is the spot He will return to at His future coming. And Jerusalem, ON EARTH, is where He... and His Church, will reign over ALL nations from, ON EARTH. The Revelation 20:9 Scripture calls that place in the future the "camp of the saints", ON EARTH.

Now just WHO would want us to think that Christ's Salvation contains two different Salvations, one for the Jews, and another for Gentiles? Who doesn't want... the Gentiles to be part of their Salvation Promises from our Heavenly Father? Think about that, and you will eventually discover just who... is behind the start of that false Hyper-Dispensationalist theory and the false Pre-trib Rapture theory, which both are designed to separate the nation of ISRAEL apart from Christ's Church. Then remember what Apostle Paul said below when you hear that false doctrine of men being preached in your Church...

Gal 3:26-29
26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
28
There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
KJV
>>>>>"That movement is where the idea that the Church only began with Apostle Paul's ministry.
That "idea" is taught by Scripture.
The 'Church' started by Paul is the "Body of Christ" which only Paul taught.
1 Tim 1:16 - Paul was the first "Body of Christ" member to be saved.
Gal 1:11-12 is the Gospel that was only taught to Paul
1 Cor 15:1-4, Eph 1:13 is that Gospel which Paul refers to as "my gospel"
Gal 2:6 the 12 didn't know it until taught by Paul
Gal 3:28, 1 Cor 12:13, Col 3:11, Gal 6:15 - today, EVERY believer is saved only by "my gospel"


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>>>>>"That movement is where the idea that the Church only began with Apostle Paul's ministry.

Sorry, but those are misinterpretations influenced by men's tradition.

That "idea" is taught by Scripture.
The 'Church' started by Paul is the "Body of Christ" which only Paul taught.

The "body of Christ" involved communion to Christ's disciples also, so how is it they can't be also considered part of the "body of Christ"? They are, just as ALL believers on Jesus Christ are. It is not specific to Apostle Paul just because The Bible has Paul being the first one to use that term "body of Christ."

1 Tim 1:16 - Paul was the first "Body of Christ" member to be saved.

That is nowhere near... the meaning of that 1 Timothy 1:11-16 Scripture. Paul was pointing 'specifically' to himself as the chief of sinners because of how he had persecuted the Church before Lord Jesus converted him on the road to Damascus, and how Lord Jesus saved him, and even chose him and put Paul in the ministry. Thus with Paul, Lord Jesus showed "forth all longsuffering, for a pattern" to them which should hereafter believe on Jesus to everlasting life. It does NOT mean Paul was the first member of the "body of Christ" to be saved; that is men's tradition adding to that Scripture.

Gal 1:11-12 is the Gospel that was only taught to Paul

What's Paul's subject there? Those Jewish converts who were distorting The Gospel. Paul simply mentioned that Lord Jesus revealed The Gospel to him personally, not that he was the first, nor the only one The Gospel was revealed to. And just to show how silly a notion from men's doctrines that idea is, we see Apostle Peter specifically sent to, and preaching The Gospel to Gentiles in Acts 10 before Paul's ministry to the Gentiles. Paul had only been preaching The Gospel in the synagogues at that point.
1 Cor 15:1-4, ....

What is contained in what Paul said he preached there in those 1 Corinthians 15:3-11 verses?

1 Cor 15:3-11
3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins
according to the scriptures;
4 And that He was buried, and that He rose again the third day according to the scriptures:
5 And that He was seen of Cephas, then of the twelve:
6 After that, He was seen of above five hundred brethren at once; of whom the greater part remain unto this present, but some are fallen asleep.
7 After that, He was seen of James; then of all the apostles.
8 And last of all He was seen of me also, as of one born out of due time.


How in the world can some Biblically illiterate nut be allowed to just dump... that understanding about Christ which the disciples had before Paul's time, and make up lies to claim that Christ's death and resurrection was revealed only... to Apostle Paul? Even Apostle Peter in Acts 10 told the Gentiles he preached The Gospel to, that whosoever believes on Jesus shall receive remission of sins, and Peter then commanded those Gentiles to get baptized of water in the name of The Lord.

9 For I am the least of the apostles, that am not meet to be called an apostle, because I persecuted the church of God.
10 But by the grace of God I am what I am: and His grace which was bestowed upon me was not in vain; but I laboured more abundantly than they all: yet not I, but the grace of God which was with me.
11 Therefore whether it were I or they,
so we preach, and so ye believed.
KJV


I'm done with this brother. You really need to think for yourself more, and read the Bible Scriptures with understanding.
 
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Sorry, but those are misinterpretations influenced by men's tradition.



The "body of Christ" involved communion to Christ's disciples also, so how is it they can't be also considered part of the "body of Christ"? They are, just as ALL believers on Jesus Christ are. It is not specific to Apostle Paul just because The Bible has Paul being the first one to use that term "body of Christ."



That is nowhere near... the meaning of that 1 Timothy 1:11-16 Scripture. Paul was pointing 'specifically' to himself as the chief of sinners because of how he had persecuted the Church before Lord Jesus converted him on the road to Damascus, and how Lord Jesus saved him, and even chose him and put Paul in the ministry. Thus with Paul, Lord Jesus showed "forth all longsuffering, for a pattern" to them which should hereafter believe on Jesus to everlasting life. It does NOT mean Paul was the first member of the "body of Christ" to be saved; that is men's tradition adding to that Scripture.



What's Paul's subject there? Those Jewish converts who were distorting The Gospel. Paul simply mentioned that Lord Jesus revealed The Gospel to him personally, not that he was the first, nor the only one The Gospel was revealed to. And just to show how silly a notion from men's doctrines that idea is, we see Apostle Peter specifically sent to, and preaching The Gospel to Gentiles in Acts 10 before Paul's ministry to the Gentiles. Paul had only been preaching The Gospel in the synagogues at that point.


What is contained in what Paul said he preached there in those 1 Corinthians 15:3-11 verses?

1 Cor 15:3-11
3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins
according to the scriptures;
4 And that He was buried, and that He rose again the third day according to the scriptures:
5 And that He was seen of Cephas, then of the twelve:
6 After that, He was seen of above five hundred brethren at once; of whom the greater part remain unto this present, but some are fallen asleep.
7 After that, He was seen of James; then of all the apostles.
8 And last of all He was seen of me also, as of one born out of due time.


How in the world can some Biblically illiterate nut be allowed to just dump... that understanding about Christ which the disciples had before Paul's time, and make up lies to claim that Christ's death and resurrection was revealed only... to Apostle Paul? Even Apostle Peter in Acts 10 told the Gentiles he preached The Gospel to, that whosoever believes on Jesus shall receive remission of sins, and Peter then commanded those Gentiles to get baptized of water in the name of The Lord.

9 For I am the least of the apostles, that am not meet to be called an apostle, because I persecuted the church of God.
10 But by the grace of God I am what I am: and His grace which was bestowed upon me was not in vain; but I laboured more abundantly than they all: yet not I, but the grace of God which was with me.
11 Therefore whether it were I or they,
so we preach, and so ye believed.
KJV


I'm done with this brother. You really need to think for yourself more, and read the Bible Scriptures with understanding.
One point at a time.
>>>""The "body of Christ" involved communion to Christ's disciples also, ""
What are the verses that confirm your opinion ?
 
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One point at a time.
>>>""The "body of Christ" involved communion to Christ's disciples also, ""
What are the verses that confirm your opinion ?

Luke 22:14-20
14 And when the hour was come, He sat down, and the twelve apostles with Him.

15 And He said unto them, "With desire I have desired to eat this passover with you before I suffer:

16 For I say unto you, I will not any more eat thereof, until it be fulfilled in the kingdom of God."

17 And He took the cup, and gave thanks, and said, "Take this, and divide it among yourselves:

18 For I say unto you, I will not drink of the fruit of the vine, until the kingdom of God shall come."

19 And He took bread, and gave thanks, and brake it, and gave unto them, saying, "This is My body which is given for you: this do in remembrance of Me.

20 Likewise also the cup after supper, saying, "This cup is the new testament in My blood, which is shed for you."
KJV
 

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Luke 22:14-20
14 And when the hour was come, He sat down, and the twelve apostles with Him.

15 And He said unto them, "With desire I have desired to eat this passover with you before I suffer:

16 For I say unto you, I will not any more eat thereof, until it be fulfilled in the kingdom of God."

17 And He took the cup, and gave thanks, and said, "Take this, and divide it among yourselves:

18 For I say unto you, I will not drink of the fruit of the vine, until the kingdom of God shall come."

19 And He took bread, and gave thanks, and brake it, and gave unto them, saying, "This is My body which is given for you: this do in remembrance of Me.

20 Likewise also the cup after supper, saying, "This cup is the new testament in My blood, which is shed for you."
KJV
The "body of Christ" that ONLY Paul teaches are saved ONLY by the 1 Cor 15:1-4, Eph 1:13 Gospel taught to ONLY Paul by Christ Gal 1:11-12
At the time Luke was written, Salvation was obtained differently eg Acts 2:38-45, Acts 8:14-17 which HAS DIFFERENCES compared to 1 Cor 15:1-4, Eph 1:13
Would you like to learn the DIFFERENCES ? :gd

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The "body of Christ" that ONLY Paul teaches are saved ONLY by the 1 Cor 15:1-4, Eph 1:13 Gospel taught to ONLY Paul by Christ Gal 1:11-12
At the time Luke was written, Salvation was obtained differently eg Acts 2:38-45, Acts 8:14-17 which HAS DIFFERENCES compared to 1 Cor 15:1-4, Eph 1:13
Would you like to learn the DIFFERENCES ? :gd

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No brother, I don't care to learn that rhetoric of misinterpreted Bible Scripture. I'm not into Dispensationalism which began with Darby, nor Hyper-Dispensationalism which Bullinger took Darby's ideas farther. Paul was sent to preach The Gospel also to the children of Israel, so that strikes all those doctrines you have wrongly learned from men that wrongly claim Paul had a different Gospel.