Symbolism

Ronald Nolette said:

Well if your "higher spiritual meaning" contradicts or alters Scripture, then it is not God who has sent you.

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Wow, I can't even get through one sentence from you without having to correct you!

"If" is a loaded word--are you again accusing me (again)? If so, then cite what you think are contradictions and I will explain--because there have been none.

As for altering scripture--Jesus altered scripture making corrections to what was formerly believed. That is God's way. You don't have to like it, but you might consider getting use to it.

Ronald Nolette said:

And if by my "higher spiritual meaning" you mean I check all things against the Word of God?, then yes I demand all who call on Jesus as Savior to walk that way, for that is what god has demanded. But once again you know nothing of what I teach or believe because you are busy accussing without learning and making assumptions without asking.,

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What I know of you, you have shown me as a witness to and of yourself. Beyond that, I spend most of my time with you telling the truth from God as you have apparently never understood it, and correcting you.

As for you, you spend your time with me kicking against the goads of what God has commanded and made known to me, thus stifling the Spirit. A common practice among many. As such, you teaching only makes matters worse.

Ronald Nolette said:

I have repeatedly said any "higher spiritual meaning" that would contradict the plain Word of God is false and demonic. I have not accussed you of anything as of yet for you have not written a position you hold or as you say hod "because of the one who sent me". So I cannot agree or condemn what you write, for you have steadfastly stated any doctrine or opinion you have received as higher spiritual meaning. You just flap your gums on a generic but true astatement I make. and you have not even confirmed or denied what I have said is true or not.

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Oh that is rich! 15,000 posts offending many--countless rebuttals from you against the spiritual revelations ever unfolding from the word of God--and you make such a claim!

But I am encouraged that you are now willing to express no committed for or against what I have said--perhaps there is hope for you!

Ronald Nolette said:

No, yours is the lie. You have not declared one "verse" you have from higher spiritual meaning." and you know what I am asking. YOu calim YOU received it so there is no error in asking what you received. And yopu know that also. You are intentioanlly being obtuse.

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You point the finger--but are wrong again! You didn't reply:

ScottA said:

As for me defining one position of symbols on this thread--that is not the point, but rather that the scriptures are full of symbols in general. They are innumerable. But, what, you want a challenge question...so you can try to prove me wrong (after saying all symbols are explained in scripture)? Okay: Is a "cubit" a symbol measurement? If yes, give the scripture. If no, I will reveal it to you.

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ScottA said:

You are one-third wrong, and two thirds correct.

I will interpret: The other passages that you refer to are about those condemned to the lake of fire, they are one third. The other two thirds are mentioned in Matthew 24:51, the one third condemned to the lake of fire, but the other third only suffers condemnation for half (as if cut in two). Your are of that latter one third, half condemned with Satan during this short time, and half saved from it. Each third comes to weeping and gnashing of teeth.

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LOL. What a load of nonsense. You just make things up. I'm supposedly "half condemned with Satan during this short time"? What in the world does that even mean? Why do you think it's acceptable to just make things up like this that aren't taught anywhere in the Bible? The only ones who will experience weeping and gnashing of teeth are the wicked. So, are you claiming that I'm among the wicked or not?

Matthew 13:47 “Again, the kingdom of heaven is like a dragnet that was cast into the sea and gathered some of every kind, 48 which, when it was full, they drew to shore; and they sat down and gathered the good into vessels, but threw the bad away. 49 So it will be at the end of the age. The angels will come forth, separate the wicked from among the just, 50 and cast them into the furnace of fire. There will be wailing and gnashing of teeth.”

Spiritual Israelite said:

I'm supposedly "half condemned with Satan during this short time"? What in the world does that even mean?

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It means such is the fate of many in the church whose intentions are good, but have unknowingly believed a lie and thus are serving Satan, only to come to the knowledge of the truth in the resurrection.

But today there is still time for repentance.

ScottA said:

It means such is the fate of many in the church whose intentions are good, but have unknowingly believed a lie and thus are serving Satan, only to come to the knowledge of the truth in the resurrection.

But today there is still time for repentance.

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You are the one who needs to repent of your false teaching.

Jesus said the wicked are the ones who will be cast into the fire and experience weeping and gnashing of teeth. Do you include me among the wicked?

Matthew 13:47 “Again, the kingdom of heaven is like a dragnet that was cast into the sea and gathered some of every kind, 48 which, when it was full, they drew to shore; and they sat down and gathered the good into vessels, but threw the bad away. 49 So it will be at the end of the age. The angels will come forth, separate the wicked from among the just, 50 and cast them into the furnace of fire. There will be wailing and gnashing of teeth.”

Spiritual Israelite said:

You are the one who needs to repent of your false teaching.

Jesus said the wicked are the ones who will be cast into the fire and experience weeping and gnashing of teeth. Do you include me among the wicked?

Matthew 13:47 “Again, the kingdom of heaven is like a dragnet that was cast into the sea and gathered some of every kind, 48 which, when it was full, they drew to shore; and they sat down and gathered the good into vessels, but threw the bad away. 49 So it will be at the end of the age. The angels will come forth, separate the wicked from among the just, 50 and cast them into the furnace of fire. There will be wailing and gnashing of teeth.”

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Again you left out the one passage and exception--the one that involves you. And you know what happens to those who take away parts of what is written...as if you were trying to condemn yourself. I was giving you a way out, but this too you reject.

ScottA said:

Again you left out the one passage and exception--the one that involves you. And you know what happens to those who take away parts of what is written...as if you were trying to condemn yourself. I was giving you a way out, but this too you reject.

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Nothing but rambling gibberish from you. You have no idea of what you speak. Only lost/unsaved people will be weeping and gnashing their teeth.

ScottA said:

No, the music of the ages orchestrated in "all truth" is rather what was intended all along. Pure. You only find it a mess because you have become accustom to "here a little, there a little" and as it is within this worldly frame. The actual mess, is the world. And thus, you show yourself to be like "those who call evil good, and good evil; Who put darkness for light, and light for darkness; Who put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!"

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Well I am glad you are not my Savior. He does not falsely accuse. I a ma child of God by the blood of the Lamb. I call good good and evil, evil. But as to what you reveal, you have revealed no teachings you cla

And we establish doctrine, by here a little there a little, just like Gods word says.

ScottA said:

We all have learned from God"--like Moses and the prophets of old, like John the Baptist, the twelve apostles, and Paul? Listen to you! You obviously know nothing about how knowledge is given from God to His people. Many thought His words spoke by those of His special choosing, were like "manure against a wall also"--and were wrong also.

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Well as god used them to create teh bible- yes they had direct revelations.

But we do not even know what higher spiritual meanings you have for you have not elucidated any! If they contradict All those you mentioned, you are a false prophet! but we cannot discern that for you have not spoken statements you have re eived from your "higher spiritual meaning."

And please do not equate yourself with the prophets and apostles and Jesus himself. They di dnot speak manure. No one here has yet ascertained whether your" higher spiritual meanings" are valid or horse manure. You have not written any down for all here to see. You need an ego deflation if you think you are on the level of Moses, Jesus and the Apostles.

ScottA said:

You assume to be Judge--but are wrong even in principle--for "revelation" is what the scriptures are all about--"the revelation of Jesus Christ." Of which you "hinder" with your rhetoric.

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If you knew even a little of me, you would know how absolutely stupid you sound! I exalt the Lord jesus Christ! But for you, you have not revealed teachings or any "higher spiritual meanings" yet about the Scruiptures handed down by Inspiration of God. We are waiting! I reveal the revelation of Scripture! Over and over and over again! Not wishing to pat myself on the back (but you have required me to by your false acusations and false assumptions of me). In three churches I have been dubbed Mr. bible man for knowing the Scrfiptures. Not perfectly but with a depth of knoweldge.

I post this for all to see! I haqve yet to accuse you of anything specific. You have not written any doctrine or teachings from your "higher spiritualmeaning" as of yet so I cannot do anything but wait for you to reveal what higher spiritual meanings are for Scripture other than what is written.

I have generically said if your "higher spiritual meanings" like those of so many others who have gone before you contradict or alter the Inspired Word of God handed down from Moses and the prophets and the Apostles and Jesus, then they are dmonic!

Still waiting for your revelation of any "higher spiritual meaning" so we can see. Or do we have to make them up fpor you choose not to reveal these alleged teacvhings from God. If that is the case- then you are not a teacher from god. Teachers from god teach!

ScottA said:

Oh that is rich! 15,000 posts offending many--countless rebuttals from you against the spiritual revelations ever unfolding from the word of God--and you make such a claim!

But I am encouraged that you are now willing to express no committed for or against what I have said--perhaps there is hope for you!

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I have rebutted nothing from you! You lie! I have even looked up you and where you have posted (not all 15,000 but some) and I could find no revelation I disagreed with. so maybe you should strop falsely accusing a fellow believer and act more Christ like, as you claim to have been caught up to the third heaven as Paul was! He showed in teaching his knowledge, I have as of yet see anything you supposedly received from god that is different from Scripture. I will not dig through 15,000 of your posts, nor would I expect you to dig through the 15,000 of mine.

But as "higher spiritual meaning" is associated with the cults and allegorical hermeneutics, I attack that phrase.

Spiritual Israelite said:

Nothing but rambling gibberish from you. You have no idea of what you speak. Only lost/unsaved people will be weeping and gnashing their teeth.

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Your decision is made, your fate sealed. So be it.

ScottA said:

Your decision is made, your fate sealed. So be it.

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LOL. Yes, my decision that you have no idea of what you're talking about has been made. My fate is not dependent whatsoever on you. That is for certain.

Ronald Nolette said:

I have rebutted nothing from you! You lie! I have even looked up you and where you have posted (not all 15,000 but some) and I could find no revelation I disagreed with. so maybe you should strop falsely accusing a fellow believer and act more Christ like, as you claim to have been caught up to the third heaven as Paul was!

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He claims that he is the only one who was caught up to the third heaven. He doesn't even acknowledge that Paul was caught up to the third heaven. He thinks that Paul was writing about him in 2 Corinthians 12. The guy is very delusional.

Ronald Nolette said:

No one here has yet ascertained whether your" higher spiritual meanings" are valid or horse manure.

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This may be the only thing I respond to from your post, we'll see.

No ascertainment is required of me. If you insist, that's on you.

Ronald Nolette said:

But for you, you have not revealed teachings or any "higher spiritual meanings" yet about the Scruiptures handed down by Inspiration of God. We are waiting!

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Like I said (again, and again) after 15,000 posts and many revelations...one would truly have to be blind not to have seen them all.

Ronald Nolette said:

I post this for all to see! I haqve yet to accuse you of anything specific.

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Your lying, mocking, and anti-Spirit agenda is enough, but indeed you have been specific as well.

Ronald Nolette said:

I have generically said if your "higher spiritual meanings" like those of so many others who have gone before you contradict or alter the Inspired Word of God handed down from Moses and the prophets and the Apostles and Jesus, then they are dmonic!

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That "higher spiritual meanings" issue is just regarding this one thread. But you say "if" as if you have not been accusatory, when if you were not making accusations there would be no reason to say "if." So, no, "if" doesn't excuse the great volume of rhetoric against the active spiritual activity that is ongoing by those chosen and commanded by God to serve in such a way.

Ronald Nolette said:

Still waiting for your revelation of any "higher spiritual meaning" so we can see. Or do we have to make them up fpor you choose not to reveal these alleged teacvhings from God. If that is the case- then you are not a teacher from god. Teachers from god teach!

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If that is your position after all this time--you are not waiting on me, but on God to open your eyes--because I have been revealing many things here for years now...many of which you have posted similar rejections to.

...Meaning, you reveal yourself. There--I've done it again!

Ronald Nolette said:

I have rebutted nothing from you! You lie! I have even looked up you and where you have posted (not all 15,000 but some) and I could find no revelation I disagreed with. so maybe you should strop falsely accusing a fellow believer and act more Christ like, as you claim to have been caught up to the third heaven as Paul was! He showed in teaching his knowledge, I have as of yet see anything you supposedly received from god that is different from Scripture. I will not dig through 15,000 of your posts, nor would I expect you to dig through the 15,000 of mine.

But as "higher spiritual meaning" is associated with the cults and allegorical hermeneutics, I attack that phrase.

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The records show for themselves...even on this one thread (no need to dig).

But thank you for posting your last statement above--for it shows the crux of the problem and your great error: Because ALL scripture has "higher spiritual meaning" than the words used in their writing. ALL scripture. Just as "with the Lord one day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day", one word from the Lord is as a thousand.