How do you know that it was not inspired? Even Moses writings were edited after he died and no one is claiming that those verses were not inspired.aspen said:
Do you believe that science is a religion?
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And your last comment proves that you will believe what you want to believe, regardless.UppsalaDragby said:
If the Bible is not trustworthy like It says It is, then what do we believe? The words of a heathen scientist? I not going to say if but when the devil said "I'm going to mess up/interfere with this Book God sent these people" you don't think God thwarted His plan somehow? He interfered with Adam and Eve. Thought he had somethin' and got his head crushed. Do you even believe that account? I see how that same devil is trying to twist Gods Words still today. Trying to add and take away. Where is His power? But I know Him to be the same yesterday, today, and forever.aspen said:
Thank God for eyes to see the tricks of that wicked one. He shall not be able to deceive the Elect. Let that be our prayer. For eyes, ears, and an understanding heart. Blessings
Really? How did you arrive at that conclusion?aspen said:
I believe that God watches over his Word. Is that me believing what I want to believe or what scripture tells us?
Does God create mountains, or are we supposed to believe those "heathen scientists" who insist that volcanoes are responsible for some of them?
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I think this is a question of first cause...God created the volcanoes, as well as the earth that the volcano is on...it is God the measures the bounds the volcano will flow to. This verse comes to mind.River Jordan said:
Daniel 4:30-32
30 “The king reflected and said, ‘Is this not Babylon the great, which I myself have built as a royal residence by the might of my power and for the glory of my majesty?’
31 “While the word was in the king’s mouth, a voice came from heaven, saying, ‘King Nebuchadnezzar, to you it is declared: sovereignty has been removed from you,
32 and you will be driven away from mankind, and your dwelling place will be with the beasts of the field. You will be given grass to eat like cattle, and seven periods of time will pass over you until you recognize that the Most High is ruler over the realm of mankind and bestows it on whomever He wishes.’
I am confident the volcano yields to the sovereignty of God.
That's a very good answer, and shows that just because scripture says God creates mountains, that doesn't mean we have to therefore deny scientific explanations for mountain formation.
Amos 4:13 He who forms the mountains, who creates the wind, and who reveals his thoughts to mankind, who turns dawn to darkness, and treads on the heights of the earth-- the LORD God Almighty is his name.UppsalaDragby said:
Do you believe that or not?
Please don't answer questions by asking questions you already know the answer to.River Jordan said:
Now again, who is denying explanations for mountain formation?
aspen
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MB - you make a lot of assumption about my faith, my belief in the credibility of the Bible, and what the Bible claims to be. Your assumptions fuel a fan loyalty to the Bible, which sometimes appears to have idol status in your mind; it certainly blinds you to the study of the material world. I am going to address your last post and then I am going to stop responding to you on this thread - our conversation has moved off topic - rather than science, my inadequate faith has become the focus and it is not fair for people to have to wade through it all. I am willing to continue to discuss the Bible with you in PM.
I have never believed that the Bible is untrustworthy. You have placed your own requirement on the Bible, God has not, which is that every word has to be interpreted literally or it is a lie. This requirement is not found in the Bible - it comes from you. I believe every word is inspired by God and written by human beings - complete with all the cultural standards and human limitations. The Bible is dynamic - it contains literal - historical events, hyperbole, stories, and the development of humanities relationship with God. It can be read as ancient history, for spiritual growth and edification, and as a personal guideline for how to relate to God and how not to. I reject the idea that every word of the Bible literally happened the way it is described because I believe it dumbs down the dynamic nature of the scriptures to a literal account - sacrificing the living portion of the word for safety.Mr.Bride said:
You are creating a loaded false dichotomy - Literal Bible vs. Heathen Scientist. When did Satan say that he was going to mess with the Bible? The Devil is as powerful as a crying infant before God - I suggest you readjust your understanding of God's omnipotence. I believe that A&E represent humanity in a perfect relationship with God and at some point, humanity began acting selfishly rather than selflessly - as a result, we stopped living as we were created to live. Instead, of loving others, we began loving ourselves - as a result, we lost the ability to be vulnerable before God. This brokenness led us to blame others, the devil, etc for all the pain that we feel as a result of our brokenness. A&E do not have to exist for this condition to be true. The Creation account does not have to be literal for us to know that we live in a world that God created. The message of the Creation story is that God is sovereign and invested in a relationship with us.
Christianity is not based on maintaining a pristine devotion to a correct interpretation to doctrine. It is about applying the word to your life by navigating the pain of separation from God, which is a constant reminder, and choosing to love others, despite the pain. It is refusing to give in to the constant craving to be selfish. A marathon runner does not meditate on the correct method of tying his shoes - he is too busy applying the skill to his goal of winning. He would quickly switch to a new coach if his current coach spent all of their training time on the skill of tying shoes, as well. The devil is not your primary enemy - he is a good warning of the danger of being selfish, but it is your false self or old man that is your worst enemy. The tricks that will ruin our sanctification are all based in falling back into selfishness. Doctrinal error can be corrected by God; our heart condition is terminal, if we fail to follow Christ.
How do I know what you do or don't believe if you don't say? Scripture clearly teaches that God creates mountains and wind; it makes absolutely no mention of plate tectonics, volcanoes, temperature differences, or the rotation of the earth being responsible for those things.UppsalaDragby said:
So the question remains....do you believe scripture when it says God creates mountains or wind, or do you place your trust in the words of men when they say otherwise?
I don't know. We'll see I guess.
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