CONTEXT is King?

ScottA · Apr 28, 2026

Wrangler said:
Manna from heaven is not symbolic; it’s literal fleshy, worldly, food for the sustainable of people her and now on Earth (at the time it was given.

That is a good example of your failure to navigate or actually understand the scriptures. Here is what is really true--full of symbols, and breaking all "literal fleshly, worldly" bonds:

Then Jesus said to them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink His blood, you have no life in you. Whoever eats My flesh and drinks My blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day. For My flesh is food indeed, and My blood is drink indeed. He who eats My flesh and drinks My blood abides in Me, and I in him. As the living Father sent Me, and I live because of the Father, so he who feeds on Me will live because of Me. This is the bread which came down from heaven—not as your fathers ate the manna, and are dead. He who eats this bread will live forever.” John 6:53-58

...And if you noticed--He altered the meaning of manna to a "higher spiritual meaning."

NayborBear · Apr 28, 2026

ScottA said:
we and Christ are made up of the same elements of this world that are to be dissolved.

I have to disagree with the Christ part of your statement. Believing that Christ, as well as Enoch and Elijah, will be, or are going to be seen in the same flesh bodies they had when Christ ascended into heaven, when Enoch "walked with God", and was no more, and when Elijah was taken up in a whirlwind.
As I also believe that these bodies were "formed" to live forever. And had not Adam and Eve's sinned and got "cutoff" from the tree of life? Would live/last forever! (with GOD? ALL things are possible)
Genesis 3:
22 And the Lord God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:
24 So he drove out the man; and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life.

As far as us mortals go? Some say, we'll be in "spiritual bodies."
Of that? I'm not so sure about! I'm thinking we'll look very much like we do now. Yet? (and I don't know how to say this correctly), our "stature" or the physical looking "completeness" we are now is going to depend on how "spiritually complete" we have become. Paul says we will be "changed" though.
Perhaps "changed" or "spiritual bodies" means: when our spirit IS our flesh body?

"Farther Along We'll Know All About It"
"Farther Along We'll Understand Why"

ScottA · Apr 29, 2026

NayborBear said:
Believing that Christ, as well as Enoch and Elijah, will be, or are going to be seen in the same flesh bodies

Think about what you are saying... Where are you talking about--in heaven, in the kingdom of God--where "flesh and blood cannot inherit?"

I'll go back and read the rest of your post, but you are not off to a good start.

ScottA · Apr 29, 2026

NayborBear said:
when Christ ascended into heaven, when Enoch "walked with God", and was no more, and when Elijah was taken up in a whirlwind.

Each of those refers to the spiritual things of God: "heaven", "with God", "taken up." --In heaven, in the kingdom of God who "is spirit", who we are to become "One with" and "like Him." I am quoting scripture--but don't misunderstand. Which is greater, men of flesh and blood, or God? Who is "perfect", as we shall be, "for our Father in heaven is perfect?" Which is to say--we look forward to what is better--not less than what we have become accustom to, all we know and love of the flesh--better. To hold onto the idea of some kind of "glorified flesh bodies"--would be worse, not better--and it is not biblical. Many misunderstand. If you are stuck on a particular passage--what is it? I will explain.

NayborBear said:
As I also believe that these bodies were "formed" to live forever. And had not Adam and Eve's sinned and got "cutoff" from the tree of life? Would live/last forever! (with GOD? ALL things are possible)
Genesis 3:
22 And the Lord God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:
24 So he drove out the man; and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life.

"These bodies" were not "formed to live forever." That is not biblical. Here is the passages that will clarify:

So when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree desirable to make one wise, she took of its fruit and ate. She also gave to her husband with her, and he ate. Genesis 3:6
Then the eyes of both of them were opened, and they knew that they were naked; and they sewed fig leaves together and made themselves coverings. Genesis 3:7
Also for Adam and his wife the Lord God made tunics of skin, and clothed them. Genesis 3:2

Notice the order: Adam and Eve sinned, saw they were naked, then God gave them "skin." In other words, "these bodies" with "skin" (flesh) were not "formed to live forever" but were given to mankind after the fall, after sin and death had come upon them--after "forever" was taken away from them...and us.

NayborBear said:
As far as us mortals go? Some say, we'll be in "spiritual bodies."
Of that? I'm not so sure about! I'm thinking we'll look very much like we do now. Yet? (and I don't know how to say this correctly), our "stature" or the physical looking "completeness" we are now is going to depend on how "spiritually complete" we have become. Paul says we will be "changed" though.
Perhaps "changed" or "spiritual bodies" means: when our spirit IS our flesh body?

Again--the answer to "spiritual bodies of what?"--“Eye has not seen, nor ear heard, Nor have entered into the heart of man The things which God has prepared for those who love Him.” Don't assume the worse--assume the BEST!

MatthewG · Apr 29, 2026

A lot of prophecies never came to fruition because the people of Israel could never keep it together.

I'm thankful that still didn't stop Jesus from coming to save those people in that day who seen the wrath fall upon their own nation.

Even while they still had time to repent - they still cursed God til they died.

Fascinating story, with historical context... and I do believe Jesus came and saved those people in that day and time, that's Context.

At least for me.

What I do hate is people who believe things which are not true expecting others to believe them as well....

But people probably don't like the fact either that I do believe Jesus already came - but also many people today are indifferent anyway.

They are gonna believe what they are gonna believe and it wont make two cents whether you bring them new information or not.

Everything has to become predicated off the spirit rather than the material at some point in the believers walk and life.

The spirit bring forth, peace, mercy, kindess, love, faithfulness.

(It doesn't bring forth you being able to heal people - in my opinion.)

There have been so many fraudulent people that fraud people about their health all the time, steal peoples money and live off of putting fear into people or living off their own fears people incite to give to the other individual.

Though Material needs are needed and are okay to have such as a land, car, insurance, or whatever else you could have in life while you have life to live.

I hate it for those people who think the world is coming to the end - when in reality, it was the end of the Mosasic Age "World" the Jewish people had lived in before it was taken away.

Wrangler · Apr 29, 2026

Wrangler said:
Nope. Treating people in this world with fleshy needs that we as Christ followers are expected to provide is the context.

Again, "bread" is not even mentioned. It's food, and not symbolic food; actual, literal, physical nourishment for our bodies.

Wrangler said:
Nope, not at all. It’s those other times that are literal, physical, worldly that you deny - like food, boat, sword. You can’t even define an acceptance criteria, what set of words would convey literal - and not spiritual - meaning? Manna from heaven is not symbolic; it’s literal fleshy, worldly, food for the sustainable of people her and now on Earth (at the time it was given.

Hilarious! Pretending to have a serious conversation about context but you refuse to define criteria about context of soulful v spiritual. LOL

ScottA · Apr 29, 2026

Wrangler said:
Hilarious! Pretending to have a serious conversation about context but you refuse to define criteria about context of soulful v spiritual. LOL

The problem is you insisting there is nothing more to be understood about symbolically words and examples that the scriptures are overflowing with, as if the worldly examples are only worldly, having no greater meaning. You only show that God's thoughts (and His Word) are higher than yours.

Wrangler · Apr 29, 2026

ScottA said:
The problem is you insisting there is nothing more to be understood about symbolically words and examples that the scriptures are overflowing with, as if the worldly examples are only worldly, having nothing greater meaning.

Projecting. I acknowledge the Bible contains Spiritual lessons; it is you who deny it contains ANY practical, worldly lessons. In one context, Jesus talking about his body and blood to be eaten is a spiritual reference but in another context, his reference to food is literal in not giving the least among us, we do to him.

NayborBear · Apr 29, 2026

MatthewG said:
A lot of prophecies never came to fruition because the people of Israel could never keep it together.

I'm thankful that still didn't stop Jesus from coming to save those people in that day who seen the wrath fall upon their own nation.

Even while they still had time to repent - they still cursed God til they died.

Fascinating story, with historical context... and I do believe Jesus came and saved those people in that day and time, that's Context.

At least for me.

What I do hate is people who believe things which are not true expecting others to believe them as well....

But people probably don't like the fact either that I do believe Jesus already came - but also many people today are indifferent anyway.

They are gonna believe what they are gonna believe and it wont make two cents whether you bring them new information or not.

Everything has to become predicated off the spirit rather than the material at some point in the believers walk and life.

The spirit bring forth, peace, mercy, kindess, love, faithfulness.

(It doesn't bring forth you being able to heal people - in my opinion.)

There have been so many fraudulent people that fraud people about their health all the time, steal peoples money and live off of putting fear into people or living off their own fears people incite to give to the other individual.

Though Material needs are needed and are okay to have such as a land, car, insurance, or whatever else you could have in life while you have life to live.

I hate it for those people who think the world is coming to the end - when in reality, it was the end of the Mosasic Age "World" the Jewish people had lived in before it was taken away.

Well? I don't believe Jesus came to heal those people before his being born.....Maybe your jesus did......Mine didn't!
Secondly? Messiah was "sent!" And being the obedient Son of God He IS? He WENT!
Much like a many a parent's son or daughter being sent to run an errand.
They were sent? They went!
But?:
"They are gonna believe what they are gonna believe and it wont make two cents whether you bring them new information or not."
And then?
There are those out there who state: "With faith and 5 dollars?" You can get a cup of coffee!"
Of course 5 dollars won't buy your way into heaven though!
Faith will!
Jez sayin!

ScottA · Apr 29, 2026

Wrangler said:
Projecting. I acknowledge the Bible contains Spiritual lessons; it is you who deny it contains ANY practical, worldly lessons. In one context, Jesus talking about his body and blood to be eaten is a spiritual reference but in another context, his reference to food is literal in not giving the least among us, we do to him.

THAT IS A LIE, I never said that, but have only emphasized that in many if not all cases there is a greater meaning given by God that those who have an ear should hear.

Wrangler · Apr 29, 2026

Wrangler said:
Projecting. I acknowledge the Bible contains Spiritual lessons; it is you who deny it contains ANY practical, worldly lessons. In one context, Jesus talking about his body and blood to be eaten is a spiritual reference but in another context, his reference to food is literal in not giving the least among us, we do to him.

ScottA said:
THAT IS A LIE, I never said that

In writing.

Wrangler said:
42 For I was starving, and you left Me with no food.

ScottA said:
With all of those things you cite, you were suppose to understand them as examples (like bread referring rather to the Word of God). God did that--gave many things in parable having greater spiritual meaning--not me.

MatthewG · Apr 29, 2026

NayborBear said:
Well? I don't believe Jesus came to heal those people before his being born.....Maybe your jesus did......Mine didn't!
Secondly? Messiah was "sent!" And being the obedient Son of God He IS? He WENT!
Much like a many a parent's son or daughter being sent to run an errand.
They were sent? They went!
But?:
"They are gonna believe what they are gonna believe and it wont make two cents whether you bring them new information or not."
And then?
There are those out there who state: "With faith and 5 dollars?" You can get a cup of coffee!"
Of course 5 dollars won't buy your way into heaven though!
Faith will!
Jez sayin!

I wasn’t sent.

Everyone and their mother knows about Jesus. There are so many churches in America and every where else.

That’s my opinion and God can be know by and through just looking at the sky and of course - having faith will help in life through good and bad.

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