Eight objections to evolution

@The Barbarian

You would be doing yourself a favour by watching these conversations. You would learn a lot. Your using 50 year old pseudo-science. This is modern science

There is a lot of proof that evolution happened.....The exact details and how it happened is theory.
Some believe in intelligent design where God caused and directed evolution over millions of years.
Some believe that God created all things about 8,000 years ago.....which does not explain fossils that are millions of years old.
Some believe science does not know anything, but they still go to the hospital when they have a heart attack and are sure that their satellite TV will pick up the football game from a satellite 20,000 miles in space

Grailhunter said:

There is a lot of proof that evolution happened

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Can you show me the proof that any species evolved from another?

Grailhunter said:

There is a lot of proof that evolution happened

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Can you show me the proof that any species evolved from another?

Grailhunter said:

Some believe science does not know anything

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I'm not sure about that.
I would say that science doesn't know everything.
Do you believe science knows everything?

Armour of God said:

Cos I can't be bothered repeating myself.

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Declare victory and withdraw.
“the United States could well declare unilaterally ... that we have ‘won’ in the sense that our armed forces are in control of most of the field and no potential enemy is in a position to establish its authority over South Vietnam.”
Sen. George Aiken on the failure of the United States to win the Vietnam War

I notice you failed to reply to my questions and evidence.

Armour of God said:

Educate yourself and watch these three scientists refute ToE

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The usual creationist drivel that evolution is about not having a creator. This is why IDers have had such a disaster in the last decade. In fact, many of them, like Denton and Behe, now acknowledge the fact of evolution:

Contrary to the creationist position, the whole argument presented here is critically dependent on the presumption of the unbroken continuity of the organic world– that is, on the reality of organic evolution and on the presumption that all living organisms on earth are natural forms in the profoundest sense of the word, no less natural than salt crystals, atoms, waterfalls, or galaxies.

In large measure, therefore, the teleological argument presented here and the special creationist worldview are mutually exclusive accounts of the world. In the last analysis, evidence for one is evidence against the other. Put simply, the more convincing is the evidence for believing that the world is prefabricated to the end of life, that the design is built into the laws of nature, the less credible becomes the special creationist worldview.
Discovery Institute Fellow Michael Denton, Nature's Destiny

Armour of God said:

Can you show me the proof that any species evolved from another?

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Moot point, since even many YE creationists admit the fact of speciation.
As creationists, we must frequently remind detractors that we do not deny that species vary, change, and even appear over time...Before the time of Charles Darwin, a false idea had crept into the church—the belief in the “fixity” or “immutability” of species. According to this view, each species was created in precisely the same form that we find it today. The Bible nowhere teaches that species are fixed and unchanging.
Speciation

On the Ark, therefore, there would have been representative species (the biblical word, “kind”) of, for example, the “dog kind,” equipped with the genetic capability to produce all other species within that kind (e.g., coyotes, foxes, wolves, domestic dogs, etc.2). Speciation (i.e., the appearance of new species) would have occurred through various means
it is true that whatever the number of kinds was on the Ark, they were also the only species of those kinds in existence when they left the Ark. All other species today had to descend from those original representative species.
YE creationist Dr. Jeff Miller.

Drosophhila miranda, for example.

Armour of God said:

You would be doing yourself a favour by watching these conversations. You would learn a lot. Your using 50 year old pseudo-science. This is modern science

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Actually, scientists read journals. Not much on YouTube, though. Notice many of the cites I've given you are from the last 15 years. Would you like some good sources of scientific journals? They're more reliable than YouTube.

Jericho said:

Have we ever observed an organism change from one kind to a completely different kind?

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Evolutionary theory would be in big trouble if that happened commonly. The one exception I know of is HeLa cells which evolved from cancer cells in one patient, to become a single-celled parasite on laboratory tissue cultures. But that's not Darwin's theory or even modern evolutionary theory.

Evolution is just a" change in allele frequencies in a population over time." You've confused Pokèmon with biology.

Jericho said:

Because that's the only way you could prove Darwinian evolution.

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And now you know that's wrong.

The Barbarian said:

I notice you failed to reply to my questions and evidence

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I've already answered all your questions in the other thread and refuted all of your claims.
You got destroyed

The Barbarian said:

Moot point, since even many YE creationists admit the fact of speciation

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YEC claims are not proof of anything.
You keep bringing them up as if they are infallible or something

The Barbarian said:

And now you know that's wrong

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You are the one that's wrong.
I refuted all your garbage on the other thread

The Barbarian said:

Actually, scientists read journals. Not much on YouTube, though. Notice many of the cites I've given you are from the last 15 years. Would you like some good sources of scientific journals? They're more reliable than YouTube

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They are nonsense from God hating atheists.
Garbage full of assumptions without any proof

I've looked at your sources but you won't look at mine that have 3 prominent scientists talking about it. It just proves your ignorance.

Bio chemist James Tour is so good no other bio chemist dares to debate him on the matter. They're all afraid cos they know his right

Jericho said:

Have we ever observed an organism change from one kind to a completely different kind? Because that's the only way you could prove Darwinian evolution.

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You'll find that this guy, thebarbarian, is a liar.
I debated this with him on another thread and i totally refuted all of his evidence.

Your correct, they have never observed any kind of animal evolving into another kind of animal. Not in the field, not in the lab. They only make assumptions.

Jericho said:

Come, now. If it were that simple, scientists could create new life in the lab with the right amino acids and whatever. But scientists can't even create a single blade of grass from nothing. And yet, we are supposed to believe it just came about by happenstance. That's because it takes more than just the right ingredients for life to arise

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Your right. They've been trying to do this in labs for decades by messing around with DNA but still they can't do it. And that's with human intervention let alone random processes. The cell is much too complicated.

Jericho said:

I'm sure you could provide endless counterarguments, but it still wouldn't prove macroevolution is true. The fact is, we have never observed macroevolution in action. You could provide all the papers in the world on how it could happen, but none of it is validated.

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Ah you know your stuff.

Jericho said:

And yet, theories, especially evolution, are presented as fact all the time. This is less about science and more about scientism

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Exactly. Beware the Barbarian, he is full of rubbish, he thinks Adam and Eve were monkey like creatures

Armour of God said:

Can you show me the proof that any species evolved from another?



I'm not sure about that.
I would say that science doesn't know everything.
Do you believe science knows everything?

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At this point all the proof has been given in the past posts and threads, so if you do not accept the given proofs, there is nothing I am going to post that is going to be proof for you. Science accepts the truth and you want to live outside that. And I fully support that......freedom of beliefs=freedom of religion.

You said.....
I'm not sure about that.
I would say that science doesn't know everything.
Do you believe science knows everything?

No I do not think science knows everything......just a lot. Science knows evolution is a fact, now the details are under study. The varies ways of dating things are a fact. The timeline is under study but it something over a billion years.
Then some Christians are still believing the world is flat.

Armour of God said:

They are nonsense from God hating atheists.
Garbage full of assumptions without any proof

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Most scientists are theists of some kind, mostly Christians or Jews.

Armour of God said:

I've looked at your sources but you won't look at mine that have 3 prominent scientists talking about it.

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Looking at it, I don't see anything of substance. I just showed you that even Darwin assumed a Creator. Your guys just haven't bothered to check their assumptions.

Armour of God said:

YEC claims are not proof of anything.

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These YECs happen to be knowledgeable scientists, who know that speciation is a fact. No point in denial.

Armour of God said:

Bio chemist James Tour is so good no other bio chemist dares to debate him on the matter.

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"He’s a great chemist, but he knows nothing about evolutionary biology and nothing about prebiotic chemistry. What he says about evolution makes no sense at all… James Tour is a nobody in this area. He has never published anything in this area, he has no credentials in this area. He passes judgment that he has no reason to pass judgment [on]."
Arthur G. Hunt is an American plant biologist specializing in molecular biology and RNA processing

"He makes very definitive statements about things that are just wrong… When shown to be wrong, he just completely changes the subject rather than accepting that he made an error."
Dr. Dave Farmer, Origins of Life PhD chemist

Armour of God said:

You are the one that's wrong.
I refuted all your garbage on the other thread

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Evolution is just a" change in allele frequencies in a population over time." Until you get this, you'll keep running into walls.

Armour of God said:

You'll find that this guy, thebarbarian, is a liar.

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Obvious joking aside, I never say anything I don't believe to be true. But if you can show where I lied about something, I'd be pleased to look at it with you. What do you have?

I'm thinking that you're frustrated and angry that this discussion isn't going the way you hoped. It might feel better in the moment to lash out, but then what you've done remains here for a long time.

Armour of God said:

Exactly. Beware the Barbarian, he is full of rubbish, he thinks Adam and Eve were monkey like creatures

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Monkeys are far to evolved in their own way to have been the ancestors of humans. Again, your assumptions are leading you down the wrong path.

Grailhunter said:

At this point all the proof has been given in the past posts and threads, so if you do not accept the given proofs, there is nothing I am going to post that is going to be proof for you. Science accepts the truth and you want to live outside that. And I fully support that......freedom of beliefs=freedom of religion

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So your unable to show me any proof at all.
If there was really so much proof then you would be able to describe at least one of them, but you can't, because the proof doesn't exist, only assumptions.

The fact is that no species of animal has ever been observed to come from another animal. Life is much more complicated then that. Many scientists disagree with the Theory of Evolution.

Grailhunter said:

No I do not think science knows everything......just a lot. Science knows evolution is a fact, now the details are under study.

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Science does know a lot, I know, I studied engineering, a practical science unlike fake theoretical science. But science doesnt know everything and some of it is false, especially in the theoretical science realm. It's philosophy trying to dress up as science. They just go by assumptions to suit their atheist world view.

Microevolution is undisputed, small changes within species happen. But macroevolution is heavily disputed, the change of an animal type into another animal type, its never been seen in the field or the lab.

Ultimately you were unable to describe any kind of proof for a species evolving from another species.
You just believe what you hear without actually looking into it. I would suggest listening to the opposing arguments from scientists. Then you would be better able to make an educated decision. The video above is a good start

The Barbarian said:

"He’s a great chemist, but he knows nothing about evolutionary biology and nothing about prebiotic chemistry. What he says about evolution makes no sense at all… James Tour is a nobody in this area. He has never published anything in this area, he has no credentials in this area. He passes judgment that he has no reason to pass judgment [on]."
Arthur G. Hunt is an American plant biologist specializing in molecular biology and RNA processing

"He makes very definitive statements about things that are just wrong… When shown to be wrong, he just completely changes the subject rather than accepting that he made an error."
Dr. Dave Farmer, Origins of Life PhD chemist

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Fact is that James Tour has challenged all these guys to debates and they all refuse because they know he'll win.

The Barbarian said:

I never say anything I don't believe to be true. But if you can show where I lied about something, I'd be pleased to look at it with you. What do you have?

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You kept denying that Darwin suggested that all things evolved from one common ancestor, over and over again you denied it while knowing it to be true. That's why I call you a liar that cannot be trusted. Plus you argue all the evolutionists lies such as species evolving from others and the Lucy lie.

The Barbarian said:

I'm thinking that you're frustrated and angry that this discussion isn't going the way you hoped. It might feel better in the moment to lash out, but then what you've done remains here for a long time

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Nothing for me to be angry about. In fact im happy that I've already refuted all of your nonsense on the other thread and don't have to waste my time doing it again.

The Barbarian said:

Monkeys are far to evolved in their own way to have been the ancestors of humans. Again, your assumptions are leading you down the wrong path

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You think humans evolved from Lucy.
That's a monkey