TO EAT OR NOT TO EAT ?

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It has been said by Christianity for centuries the food laws concerning various commandments dealing with the eating of unclean meats. has been abolished

For this reason, Christians most, have no problem with consuming pork, rabbits and other rodents, shrimp, and various kinds of shellfish. However some think that the laws apply.

In short does the law of clean and unclean meats apply for Christians today why or why not ?


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Acts 10:9-23
New International Version (NIV)

Peter’s Vision[SIZE=.9em](A)[/SIZE]
[SIZE=.75em]9 About noon the following day as they were on their journey and approaching the city, Peter went up on the roof[/SIZE][SIZE=.65em](B)[/SIZE] to pray. [SIZE=.75em]10 He became hungry and wanted something to eat, and while the meal was being prepared, he fell into a trance.[/SIZE][SIZE=.65em](C)[/SIZE] [SIZE=.75em]11 He saw heaven opened[/SIZE][SIZE=.65em](D)[/SIZE] and something like a large sheet being let down to earth by its four corners. [SIZE=.75em]12 It contained all kinds of four-footed animals, as well as reptiles and birds.[/SIZE] [SIZE=.75em]13 [/SIZE]Then a voice told him, “Get up, Peter. Kill and eat.”
[SIZE=.75em]14 “Surely not, Lord!”[/SIZE][SIZE=.65em](E)[/SIZE] Peter replied. “I have never eaten anything impure or unclean.”[SIZE=.65em](F)[/SIZE]
[SIZE=.75em]15 The voice spoke to him a second time, [/SIZE]“Do not call anything impure that God has made clean.”[SIZE=.65em](G)[/SIZE]
[SIZE=.75em]16 This happened three times, and immediately the sheet was taken back to heaven.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=.75em]17 While Peter was wondering about the meaning of the vision,[/SIZE][SIZE=.65em](H)[/SIZE] the men sent by Cornelius[SIZE=.65em](I)[/SIZE] found out where Simon’s house was and stopped at the gate. [SIZE=.75em]18 They called out, asking if Simon who was known as Peter was staying there.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=.75em]19 While Peter was still thinking about the vision,[/SIZE][SIZE=.65em](J)[/SIZE] the Spirit said[SIZE=.65em](K)[/SIZE] to him, “Simon, three[SIZE=.65em][a][/SIZE] men are looking for you. [SIZE=.75em]20 So get up and go downstairs. Do not hesitate to go with them, for I have sent them.”[/SIZE][SIZE=.65em](L)[/SIZE]
[SIZE=.75em]21 Peter went down and said to the men, “I’m the one you’re looking for. Why have you come?”[/SIZE]
[SIZE=.75em]22 The men replied, “We have come from Cornelius the centurion. He is a righteous and God-fearing man,[/SIZE][SIZE=.65em](M)[/SIZE] who is respected by all the Jewish people. A holy angel told him to ask you to come to his house so that he could hear what you have to say.”[SIZE=.65em](N)[/SIZE] [SIZE=.75em]23 Then Peter invited the men into the house to be his guests.[/SIZE]

This scripture has a duel meaning, of course the first being the ushering in of the Gentiles in to faith in Christ, but the second being the food and other Gentile customs.
Peter and Paul were both going to be in countries that serve these types of foods.
The food itself didnt matter, what matters is the message. They couldn't be there observing the old Law because their commision was to preach the gospel of Jesus Christ not to enforce or even encourage the observance of the OLd Law.
If they did then the message to the gentiles would be convoluted with works and not grace.
God had proclaimed these things to be clean they could now mix with the Gentiles in there own homes eating a meal and sharing the good news of Jesus Christ.
Observing the customs of the law would have only served to hinder the progression of the Word throughout the nations.
 

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Madad21 said:
Acts 10:9-23
New International Version (NIV)

Peter’s Vision[SIZE=.9em](A)[/SIZE]
[SIZE=.75em]9 About noon the following day as they were on their journey and approaching the city, Peter went up on the roof[/SIZE][SIZE=.65em](B)[/SIZE] to pray. [SIZE=.75em]10 He became hungry and wanted something to eat, and while the meal was being prepared, he fell into a trance.[/SIZE][SIZE=.65em](C)[/SIZE] [SIZE=.75em]11 He saw heaven opened[/SIZE][SIZE=.65em](D)[/SIZE] and something like a large sheet being let down to earth by its four corners. [SIZE=.75em]12 It contained all kinds of four-footed animals, as well as reptiles and birds. 13 [/SIZE]Then a voice told him, “Get up, Peter. Kill and eat.”
[SIZE=.75em]14 “Surely not, Lord!”[/SIZE][SIZE=.65em](E)[/SIZE] Peter replied. “I have never eaten anything impure or unclean.”[SIZE=.65em](F)[/SIZE]
[SIZE=.75em]15 The voice spoke to him a second time, [/SIZE]“Do not call anything impure that God has made clean.”[SIZE=.65em](G)[/SIZE]
[SIZE=.75em]16 This happened three times, and immediately the sheet was taken back to heaven.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=.75em]17 While Peter was wondering about the meaning of the vision,[/SIZE][SIZE=.65em](H)[/SIZE] the men sent by Cornelius[SIZE=.65em](I)[/SIZE] found out where Simon’s house was and stopped at the gate. [SIZE=.75em]18 They called out, asking if Simon who was known as Peter was staying there.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=.75em]19 While Peter was still thinking about the vision,[/SIZE][SIZE=.65em](J)[/SIZE] the Spirit said[SIZE=.65em](K)[/SIZE] to him, “Simon, three[SIZE=.65em][a][/SIZE] men are looking for you. [SIZE=.75em]20 So get up and go downstairs. Do not hesitate to go with them, for I have sent them.”[/SIZE][SIZE=.65em](L)[/SIZE]
[SIZE=.75em]21 Peter went down and said to the men, “I’m the one you’re looking for. Why have you come?”[/SIZE]
[SIZE=.75em]22 The men replied, “We have come from Cornelius the centurion. He is a righteous and God-fearing man,[/SIZE][SIZE=.65em](M)[/SIZE] who is respected by all the Jewish people. A holy angel told him to ask you to come to his house so that he could hear what you have to say.”[SIZE=.65em](N)[/SIZE] [SIZE=.75em]23 Then Peter invited the men into the house to be his guests.[/SIZE]

This scripture has a duel meaning, of course the first being the ushering in of the Gentiles in to faith in Christ, but the second being the food and other Gentile customs.
Peter and Paul were both going to be in countries that serve these types of foods.
The food itself didnt matter, what matters is the message. They couldn't be there observing the old Law because their commision was to preach the gospel of Jesus Christ not to enforce or even encourage the observance of the OLd Law.
If they did then the message to the gentiles would be convoluted with works and not grace.
God had proclaimed these things to be clean they could now not only mix with Gentiles in there own homes and customs, but more importantly they could share the saving gospel of Jesus Christ.
Observing the customs of the law would have only served to hinder the progression of the Word throughout the nations.
So are you saying the law applies to the Jews still ?
 

Madad21

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Not at all the law didn't apply as far as salvation by works was concerned as soon as Christ appeared on the seen,
but the customs of the Law would certainly not have died out anytime soon, these people had been observing the Law for generations and since birth.
Salvation may no longer have hinged on a mans ability to observe the Law (if he ever could) but the Law as Jesus says by no means passed away.
Jesus observed and fulfilled all the law because we couldnt and then died to the Law because we couldnt. thus nullifying the effects of the law on any man who places his trust in Christ.

Peter and the others like him would still be of that old order and like an old dog new tricks are hard to teach,
Without the visison it would have never crossed his mind to take the message of Christ to the Gentiles
 

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Matthew 15:11
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[SIZE=.75em]11 [/SIZE]Not that which goeth into the mouth defileth a man; but that which cometh out of the mouth, this defileth a man.



Does this verse support that we can eat anything today also ?
 

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Boaz said:
Matthew 15:11
King James Version (KJV)


[SIZE=.75em]11 [/SIZE]Not that which goeth into the mouth defileth a man; but that which cometh out of the mouth, this defileth a man.



Does this verse support that we can eat anything today also ?
Absolutely, you can stuff whatever you want down your throat, as long as what comes out of your mouth is Christ centred.
that verse can be complimented with this one.



Luke 6:45
New King James Version (NKJV)


[SIZE=.75em]45 [/SIZE]A good man out of the good treasure of his heart brings forth good; and an evil man out of the evil treasure of his heart[SIZE=.65em][a][/SIZE] brings forth evil. For out of the abundance of the heart his mouth speaks.
 

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Madad21 said:
Absolutely, you can stuff whatever you want down your throat, as long as what comes out of your mouth is Christ centred.
that verse can be complimented with this one.

Luke 6:45
New King James Version (NKJV)


[SIZE=.75em]45 [/SIZE]A good man out of the good treasure of his heart brings forth good; and an evil man out of the evil treasure of his heart[SIZE=.65em][a][/SIZE] brings forth evil. For out of the abundance of the heart his mouth speaks.
Do you smoke why or why not ?
 

Madad21

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Boaz said:
Do you smoke why or why not ?
Depends if your an insurance salesmen ;)

No, I dont personally because I quit a long time ago for health reasons.

As far Christianity is concerned however, some people have varying views on the topic.
Cigarette smoking will obviously cause your health to rapidly decline but is really just something else we stuff down our throats, and as Jesus said before what matters is what comes out. I have met smoking Christians and nobody seems to think any less of them for smoking.

However a mind altering narcotic is different, this stuff takes your mind and blocks out the Spirit, it can also be addictive and become like an idol which is put in the place of Jesus.
Ephesians 5:18-20 Do not get drunk on wine, which leads to debauchery. Instead, be filled with the Spirit, speaking to one another with psalms, hymns, and songs from the Spirit. Sing and make music from your heart to the Lord, always giving thanks to God the Father for everything, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ.

1 Corinthians 6:19 Do you not know that your bodies are temples of the Holy Spirit, who is in you, whom you have received from God? You are not your own;

Its a good idea as Christians to look after our bodies, a smoking Christian might not look outwardly like a good example of a life patterned after Christ, but at the same time is a good example of the grace given us all freely.

1 Samuel 16:7
But the Lord said to Samuel, “Do not look at his appearance or at his physical stature, because I have refused him. For the Lord does not see as man sees; for man looks at the outward appearance, but the Lord looks at the heart.”

Matthew 23:25
"What sorrow awaits you teachers of religious law and you Pharisees. Hypocrites! For you are so careful to clean the outside of the cup and the dish, but inside you are filthy--full of greed and self-indulgence!
 

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Madad21 said:
Depends if your an insurance salesmen ;)

No, I dont personally because I quit a long time ago for health reasons.

As far Christianity is concerned however, some people have varying views on the topic.
Cigarette smoking will obviously cause your health to rapidly decline but is really just something else we stuff down our throats, and as Jesus said before what matters is what comes out. I have met smoking Christians and nobody seems to think any less of them for smoking.

However a mind altering narcotic is different, this stuff takes your mind and blocks out the Spirit, it can also be addictive and become like an idol which is put in the place of Jesus.
Ephesians 5:18-20 Do not get drunk on wine, which leads to debauchery. Instead, be filled with the Spirit, speaking to one another with psalms, hymns, and songs from the Spirit. Sing and make music from your heart to the Lord, always giving thanks to God the Father for everything, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ.

1 Corinthians 6:19 Do you not know that your bodies are temples of the Holy Spirit, who is in you, whom you have received from God? You are not your own;

Its a good idea as Christians to look after our bodies, a smoking Christian might not look outwardly like a good example of a life patterned after Christ, but at the same time is a good example of the grace given us all freely.

1 Samuel 16:7
But the Lord said to Samuel, “Do not look at his appearance or at his physical stature, because I have refused him. For the Lord does not see as man sees; for man looks at the outward appearance, but the Lord looks at the heart.”

Matthew 23:25
"What sorrow awaits you teachers of religious law and you Pharisees. Hypocrites! For you are so careful to clean the outside of the cup and the dish, but inside you are filthy--full of greed and self-indulgence!
Smoking defiles the temple thus not what goes in does not defile a man means something else I think
Arnie Manitoba said:
I eat anything I want

How else could I be a fat and lazy Christian. ??

Actually I am not fat

But I do smoke cigarettes

And I can be obnoxious :)
If you truly smoke pray God you stop it is wrong but we all have our faults and individual battles
Jesus said: "Not that which goeth into the mouth defileth a man; but that which cometh out of the mouth, this defileth a man." - Matthew 15:11.

If you read the first three verses of Mat 15 you will find that this in answering a question concerning not ceremonially cleaning oneself before eating. Jesus never ate unclean meat. His disciples never ate unclean meat. But to eat with unwashed hands does not defile a man

People who eat the things pronounced unclean in the Word of God in order to justify themselves like a drowning man grabbing for straw, are willing to risk their eternal welfare on the above point and go on eating the abominable things of God has forbidden. The part of the texts usually quoted is, "And there came a voice to him, Rise, Peter; kill, and eat. But Peter said, Not so, Lord; for I have never eaten any thing that is common or unclean. And the voice spake unto him again the second time, What God hath cleansed, that call not thou common. - Acts 10:13-15". This all happened about 41 A.D., and about eight years after Jesus had gone to heaven. Peter had been with Jesus during His ministry to the House of Israeland had been preaching the gospel at least seven years, and had never eaten any thing unclean.

If Jesus had died to make the unclean animals, fowls, creeping things, and things of the waters, clean, Peter should have known it; but the fact that he had never eaten anything unclean shows that he had no knowledge of the repeal of the law of the clean and the unclean. The sheet was let down three times. Three men of the Gentiles were there for him to go with them to the house of Cornelius. Peter went with them as God had bidden him,
 

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IT APPLYS TO LUTEFISK .. DO NOT EAT LUTEFISK !!! DONT EVER LEGALIZE LUTEFISK..

Parents ------------------if you dont talk to your kids about lutefisk who will?
 

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Boaz said:
Smoking defiles the temple thus not what goes in does not defile a man means something else I think

If you truly smoke pray God you stop it is wrong but we all have our faults and individual battles

Jesus said: "Not that which goeth into the mouth defileth a man; but that which cometh out of the mouth, this defileth a man." - Matthew 15:11.

If you read the first three verses of Mat 15 you will find that this in answering a question concerning not ceremonially cleaning oneself before eating. Jesus never ate unclean meat. His disciples never ate unclean meat. But to eat with unwashed hands does not defile a man

People who eat the things pronounced unclean in the Word of God in order to justify themselves like a drowning man grabbing for straw, are willing to risk their eternal welfare on the above point and go on eating the abominable things of God has forbidden. The part of the texts usually quoted is, "And there came a voice to him, Rise, Peter; kill, and eat. But Peter said, Not so, Lord; for I have never eaten any thing that is common or unclean. And the voice spake unto him again the second time, What God hath cleansed, that call not thou common. - Acts 10:13-15". This all happened about 41 A.D., and about eight years after Jesus had gone to heaven. Peter had been with Jesus during His ministry to the House of Israeland had been preaching the gospel at least seven years, and had never eaten any thing unclean.

If Jesus had died to make the unclean animals, fowls, creeping things, and things of the waters, clean, Peter should have known it; but the fact that he had never eaten anything unclean shows that he had no knowledge of the repeal of the law of the clean and the unclean. The sheet was let down three times. Three men of the Gentiles were there for him to go with them to the house of Cornelius. Peter went with them as God had bidden him,
Did Jesus not observe all the Laws and traditions while he was amongst the Israelites?
Did the Pharisees not spent all their time trying to trip him up on these matters?
Kind of like this little trap you set up.

The difference is is that Jesus did not sin, he observed all the law and he died to that law without having sinned against it.
So its kind of a no brainer that he never sinned around Peter or the disciples.

Now tell me Boaz how have you gone keeping all of God's commandments this week or even today? no straw grabbing for you.
surely thats what has put you in this fine position to pass judgement on how well we are keeping it, right?

Your right, Jesus didn't die so we could eat unclean foods, he died so that we no longer are slave to the law of sin and death.
If you wish to somehow add to your salvation by restraining your appetite then go right ahead.

Matthew 22:36-40
“Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?”
Jesus replied: “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’ This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’ All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.”

I think as far as the law goes Jesus made it pretty clear what it is we need to do, and how we need to do it. If we follow the above commandments we show fruit of the Spirit, people who live for Christ follow these two commandments with a passion.

when you start preaching the Law you nullify the work on the cross its that simple.

Tell me why did God use food in Peters vision, why not people?
 

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Madad21 said:
Did Jesus not observe all the Laws and traditions while he was amongst the Israelites?
Did the Pharisees not spent all their time trying to trip him up on these matters?
Kind of like this little trap you set up.

The difference is is that Jesus did not sin, he observed all the law and he died to that law without having sinned against it.
So its kind of a no brainer that he never sinned around Peter or the disciples.

Now tell me Boaz how have you gone keeping all of God's commandments this week or even today? no straw grabbing for you.
surely thats what has put you in this fine position to pass judgement on how well we are keeping it, right?

Your right, Jesus didn't die so we could eat unclean foods, he died so that we no longer are slave to the law of sin and death.
If you wish to somehow add to your salvation by restraining your appetite then go right ahead.

Matthew 22:36-40
“Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?”
Jesus replied: “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’ This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’ All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.”

I think as far as the law goes Jesus made it pretty clear what it is we need to do, and how we need to do it. If we follow the above commandments we show fruit of the Spirit, people who live for Christ follow these two commandments with a passion.

when you start preaching the Law you nullify the work on the cross its that simple.

Tell me why did God use food in Peters vision, why not people?

my dear friend do you eat blood ? Why or Why Not ?

i am not passing judgement on anyone and if it seems so well Jesus said judge righteously
 

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I answered your silly trick questions, my dear friend. Now I had asked you question, I think I will wait for your reply
 

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Dear Madad21
Is this part of the law of Moses ? does it apply for us today?
Leviticus 17

10 And whatsoever man there be of the house of Israel, or of the strangers that sojourn among you,that eateth any manner of blood; I will even set my face against that soul that eateth blood, and will cut him off from among his people.

11 For the life of the flesh is in the blood: and I have given it to you upon the altar to make an atonement for your souls: for it is the blood that maketh an atonement for the soul.

12 Therefore I said unto the children of Israel, No soul of you shall eat blood, neither shall any stranger that sojourneth among you eat blood.

13 And whatsoever man there be of the children of Israel, or of the strangers that sojourn among you, which hunteth and catcheth any beast or fowl that may be eaten; he shall even pour out the blood thereof, and cover it with dust.

14 For it is the life of all flesh; the blood of it is for the life thereof: therefore I said unto the children of Israel, Ye shall eat the blood of no manner of flesh: for the life of all flesh is the blood thereof:whosoever eateth it shall be cut off.
Madad21 said:
Did Jesus not observe all the Laws and traditions while he was amongst the Israelites?
Did the Pharisees not spent all their time trying to trip him up on these matters?
Kind of like this little trap you set up.

The difference is is that Jesus did not sin, he observed all the law and he died to that law without having sinned against it.
So its kind of a no brainer that he never sinned around Peter or the disciples.

Now tell me Boaz how have you gone keeping all of God's commandments this week or even today? no straw grabbing for you.
surely thats what has put you in this fine position to pass judgement on how well we are keeping it, right?

Your right, Jesus didn't die so we could eat unclean foods, he died so that we no longer are slave to the law of sin and death.
If you wish to somehow add to your salvation by restraining your appetite then go right ahead.

Matthew 22:36-40
“Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?”
Jesus replied: “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’ This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’ All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.”

I think as far as the law goes Jesus made it pretty clear what it is we need to do, and how we need to do it. If we follow the above commandments we show fruit of the Spirit, people who live for Christ follow these two commandments with a passion.

when you start preaching the Law you nullify the work on the cross its that simple.

Tell me why did God use food in Peters vision, why not people?
I keep what God say to keep and what He said Jesus took away i dont


Hope you dont straw grab at the blood question either
eating of blood is forbidden but hey we can eat what we want right
It was a part of leviticus but why was it carried in the new is the question




Acts 21:25
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[SIZE=.75em]25 [/SIZE]As touching the Gentiles which believe, we have written and concluded that they observe no such thing, save only that they keep themselves from things offered to idols, and from blood, and from strangled, and from fornication.

Madad21 said:










Did Jesus not observe all the Laws and traditions while he was amongst the Israelites?
Did the Pharisees not spent all their time trying to trip him up on these matters?
Kind of like this little trap you set up.

The difference is is that Jesus did not sin, he observed all the law and he died to that law without having sinned against it.
So its kind of a no brainer that he never sinned around Peter or the disciples.

Now tell me Boaz how have you gone keeping all of God's commandments this week or even today? no straw grabbing for you.
surely thats what has put you in this fine position to pass judgement on how well we are keeping it, right?

Your right, Jesus didn't die so we could eat unclean foods, he died so that we no longer are slave to the law of sin and death.
If you wish to somehow add to your salvation by restraining your appetite then go right ahead.

Matthew 22:36-40
“Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?”
Jesus replied: “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’ This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’ All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.”

I think as far as the law goes Jesus made it pretty clear what it is we need to do, and how we need to do it. If we follow the above commandments we show fruit of the Spirit, people who live for Christ follow these two commandments with a passion.

when you start preaching the Law you nullify the work on the cross its that simple.

Tell me why did God use food in Peters vision, why not people?
Why God chose animals Madad21


Acts 10:16-21
16. This was done thrice: and the vessel
was received up again into heaven.
17. Now while Peter doubted in himself what this vision which he had seen should mean, behold, the men which were sent from Cornelius had made enquiry for Simon's house, and stood before the gate,
18. And called, and asked whether Simon, which was surnamed Peter, were lodged there.
19. ¶ While Peter thought on the vision, the Spirit said unto him, Behold, three men seek thee.
20. Arise therefore, and get thee down, and go with them, doubting nothing: for I have sent them.
21. Then Peter went down to the men which were sent unto him from Cornelius; and said, Behold, I am he whom ye seek: what is the cause wherefore ye are come?

It was an unlawful thing for a Jew to keep company, or come in unto one of another nation, "And he said unto them, Ye know how that it is an unlawful thing for a man that is a Jew to keep company, or come unto one of another nation; but God hath shewed me that I should not call any man common or unclean." - Acts 10:28. Peter said, "God hath shewed me that I should not call any man (not animals) common or unclean." So it was the Gentiles God had cleansed and not the foods pronounced unclean. this is all that Peter got out of the vision, and we can not get any more out of it than Peter did.
 

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Dear Boaz
So the vision was only that of the uncircumcised unclean, which are now made clean and all nations great and small like the different kinds of animals can nestle upon the beautifully woven cloth of the gospel which moves both heavenward as well as abundantly toward the earth.

Hang on a minute, if the cloth goes up as Christ now receives all nations, why does it come back down again filled with all manner of unclean animals? and now my Lord says Kill Eat?

Would not the cloth come down empty and the command be fill the cloth with what was once unclean, go back up and come down empty again?

Not at all Boaz
should we not welcome the cloth of the gospel of Christ by which we are freed from the distinction of meats made by the law of Moses?
Every creature of God is good and nothing is to be refused, not just because we now gain a pigs flesh, but because our conscience is now freed from the yoke of the law, that we might serve our Father without fear.

The cloth made what was formerly unclean clean by the freeing power of Christ, and the cloth was ready to receive the nations.

Boaz, how could Peter and Paul enter in to Greek society as hypocrites who preach freedom from the law, but when invited in to a mans house to dine and share the good news of Christ refuse to share the mans food because of the law?

Then what do they preach?

Jesus had already made it clear that it was not the ceremonial washing of hands that made a man clean, he even went as far as to announce to everyone with in earshot that it in fact doesn't matter all what a man puts into his mouth but what comes out is what makes him clean.
Such audacity that the Pharisee's were in shock at what they heard.

Boaz, i tell you sir that what was to come out of the mouths of Peter and Paul amongst the nations had to be clean, observance of the law was a recognition of works based righteousness by the Law. they could not preach one thing and demonstrate another, thats exactly what the Pharisees themselves did.

You can preach Levitical Law until you're blue in the face my dear friend, but what God has made clean you cannot make unclean again, all your doing is denying the righteous atonement of Christs blood spilt on your behalf.

Peter took another step that night on the roof, another step of faith.
Wasn't it Peter who took a step of faith out of the boat?
Yes because he had his eye on Christ and he stood solidly upon the water despite the law of physics.
And here he was once again being asked to step out of the boat, not with an eye on the crashing foreboding waves of the law that would make him doubt and sink with fear, but with his eye on Christ upon whose atoning blood he could walk soundly for the rest of his days without fear and doubt.

As do all who follow Jesus
 

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People who eat the things pronounced unclean in the Word of God in order to justify themselves like a drowning man grabbing for straw, are willing to risk their eternal welfare on the above point and go on eating the abominable things of God has forbidden. The part of the texts usually quoted is, "And there came a voice to him, Rise, Peter; kill, and eat. But Peter said, Not so, Lord; for I have never eaten any thing that is common or unclean. And the voice spake unto him again the second time, What God hath cleansed, that call not thou common. - Acts 10:13-15". This all happened about 41 A.D., and about eight years after Jesus had gone to heaven. Peter had been with Jesus during His ministry to the House of Israeland had been preaching the gospel at least seven years, and had never eaten any thing unclean.
This is not proof that we are still to obey the dietary laws. At this time as you have pointed out, Peter not only is still following dietary laws, he doesn't know Gentiles can be saved. He still had a lot to learn at this point in his life
 

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John said:
This is not proof that we are still to obey the dietary laws. At this time as you have pointed out, Peter not only is still following dietary laws, he doesn't know Gentiles can be saved. He still had a lot to learn at this point in his life
When was the dietery laws first given ?

Was it nailed to the cross ?
Madad21 said:
Dear Boaz
So the vision was only that of the uncircumcised unclean, which are now made clean and all nations great and small like the different kinds of animals can nestle upon the beautifully woven cloth of the gospel which moves both heavenward as well as abundantly toward the earth.

Hang on a minute, if the cloth goes up as Christ now receives all nations, why does it come back down again filled with all manner of unclean animals? and now my Lord says Kill Eat?

Would not the cloth come down empty and the command be fill the cloth with what was once unclean, go back up and come down empty again?

Not at all Boaz
should we not welcome the cloth of the gospel of Christ by which we are freed from the distinction of meats made by the law of Moses?
Every creature of God is good and nothing is to be refused, not just because we now gain a pigs flesh, but because our conscience is now freed from the yoke of the law, that we might serve our Father without fear.

The cloth made what was formerly unclean clean by the freeing power of Christ, and the cloth was ready to receive the nations.

Boaz, how could Peter and Paul enter in to Greek society as hypocrites who preach freedom from the law, but when invited in to a mans house to dine and share the good news of Christ refuse to share the mans food because of the law?

Then what do they preach?

Jesus had already made it clear that it was not the ceremonial washing of hands that made a man clean, he even went as far as to announce to everyone with in earshot that it in fact doesn't matter all what a man puts into his mouth but what comes out is what makes him clean.
Such audacity that the Pharisee's were in shock at what they heard.

Boaz, i tell you sir that what was to come out of the mouths of Peter and Paul amongst the nations had to be clean, observance of the law was a recognition of works based righteousness by the Law. they could not preach one thing and demonstrate another, thats exactly what the Pharisees themselves did.

You can preach Levitical Law until you're blue in the face my dear friend, but what God has made clean you cannot make unclean again, all your doing is denying the righteous atonement of Christs blood spilt on your behalf.

Peter took another step that night on the roof, another step of faith.
Wasn't it Peter who took a step of faith out of the boat?
Yes because he had his eye on Christ and he stood solidly upon the water despite the law of physics.
And here he was once again being asked to step out of the boat, not with an eye on the crashing foreboding waves of the law that would make him doubt and sink with fear, but with his eye on Christ upon whose atoning blood he could walk soundly for the rest of his days without fear and doubt.

As do all who follow Jesus
Do you eat blood remember you said it does not matter what goes in ?
Why was all the sacrifices to God clean meats an not unclean ?
 

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Boaz said:
When was the dietery laws first given ?

Was it nailed to the cross ?

Do you eat blood remember you said it does not matter what goes in ?

Why was all the sacrifices to God clean meats an not unclean ?
Do you think you have me cornered Boaz, are you really that narrow minded?

Why would any body drink or eat blood Boaz, thats honestly the stupidest argument I herd thus far.

Do you eat feces Boaz?

Do you drink blood in Satanic rituals Boaz or do you drink blood because of some daft weight loss regime like those who drink their own urine?

Dumb just dumb.

Was Jesus unclean Boaz?
He was the unblemished lamb far cleaner and more holy than any of the unblemished cattle they sacrificed.

Even then they couldn't please God with their so called sacrifices, so Boaz how do you think you are going with your Holy sacrifices to God, observing the laws like you could actually please God with anything you do.

How about instead of thinking you can give God something, why dont you be ready to receive from him something far greater.

Boaz your form of righteousness is poison in your soul, and it was nailed to the cross along time ago.

Repent.
 

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Madad21 said:
Do you think you have me cornered Boaz, are you really that narrow minded?

Why would any body drink or eat blood Boaz, thats honestly the stupidest argument I herd thus far.

Do you eat feces Boaz?

Do you drink blood in Satanic rituals Boaz or do you drink blood because of some daft weight loss regime like those who drink their own urine?

Dumb just dumb.

Was Jesus unclean Boaz?
He was the unblemished lamb far cleaner and more holy than any of the unblemished cattle they sacrificed.

Even then they couldn't please God with their so called sacrifices, so Boaz how do you think you are going with your Holy sacrifices to God, observing the laws like you could actually please God with anything you do.

How about instead of thinking you can give God something, why dont you be ready to receive from him something far greater.

Boaz your form of righteousness is poison in your soul, and it was nailed to the cross along time ago.

Repent.


Here is a reminder why it was not naled to the cross
You will note my friend that the dietery laws were given in Genesis not in Leviticus for the first time

Genesis 9
King James Version (KJV)


[SIZE=1.25em]1 [/SIZE]And God blessed Noah and his sons, and said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth.
[SIZE=.75em]2 [/SIZE]And the fear of you and the dread of you shall be upon every beast of the earth, and upon every fowl of the air, upon all that moveth upon the earth, and upon all the fishes of the sea; into your hand are they delivered.
[SIZE=.75em]3 [/SIZE]Every moving thing that liveth shall be meat for you; even as the green herb have I given you all things.
[SIZE=.75em]4 [/SIZE]But flesh with the life thereof, which is the blood thereof, shall ye not eat.



Madad21 said:
Do you think you have me cornered Boaz, are you really that narrow minded?

Why would any body drink or eat blood Boaz, thats honestly the stupidest argument I herd thus far.

Do you eat feces Boaz?

Do you drink blood in Satanic rituals Boaz or do you drink blood because of some daft weight loss regime like those who drink their own urine?

Dumb just dumb.

Was Jesus unclean Boaz?
He was the unblemished lamb far cleaner and more holy than any of the unblemished cattle they sacrificed.

Even then they couldn't please God with their so called sacrifices, so Boaz how do you think you are going with your Holy sacrifices to God, observing the laws like you could actually please God with anything you do.

How about instead of thinking you can give God something, why dont you be ready to receive from him something far greater.

Boaz your form of righteousness is poison in your soul, and it was nailed to the cross along time ago.

Repent.
But you should eat those stuff if your theory were true, that not what goes in defiles a man.
that should be no problem for thee ,

As you can see the blood does not have to be in satanic rituals as in Genesis

After the flood both the clean and the unclean things still lived."And Noah builded and altar unto the Lord; and took of every clean beast, and of every clean fowl, and offered burnt offerings on the altar." - Genesis 8:20.

The question is why did not Noah sacrified unclean animals ?