Faith with Works

Raccoon1010 · Feb 6, 2026

A lesson from the lord to end the disputes against the doctrine that faith and works please the lord. The lesson is for elders of the churches and true church of Almighty God. We have hope, faith and belive in God and that he lives and blesses us with many gifts of salvation. We honor him with charity or gifts of love for God and his people. We are the bride of Christ. He someday will free us from Babylon, Egypt and Sodom.

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Relevant Scripture:

Ephesians 2

5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved;)
6 And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus:
7 That in the ages to come he might shew the exceeding riches of his grace in his kindness toward us through Christ Jesus.
8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.

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James 2

14 What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him?
15 If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food,
16 And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be ye warmed and filled; notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body; what doth it profit?
17 Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.
18 Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.
19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.
20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?

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Matthew 25

31 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:
32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:
33 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.
34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:
35 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in:
36 Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.
37 Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink?
38 When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee?
39 Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee?
40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.
41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:
42 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink:
43 I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not.
44 Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee?
45 Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me.
46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.

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From Devin as witnessed from Jesus and his Father thru their holy spirit.

rvmb · Feb 25, 2026

Raccoon1010 said:
A lesson from the lord to end the disputes against the doctrine that faith and works please the lord. The lesson is for elders of the churches and true church of Almighty God. We have hope, faith and belive in God and that he lives and blesses us with many gifts of salvation. We honor him with charity or gifts of love for God and his people. We are the bride of Christ. He someday will free us from Babylon, Egypt and Sodom.

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Relevant Scripture:

Ephesians 2

5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved;)
6 And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus:
7 That in the ages to come he might shew the exceeding riches of his grace in his kindness toward us through Christ Jesus.
8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.

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James 2

14 What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him?
15 If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food,
16 And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be ye warmed and filled; notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body; what doth it profit?
17 Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.
18 Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.
19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.
20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?

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Matthew 25

31 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:
32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:
33 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.
34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:
35 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in:
36 Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.
37 Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink?
38 When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee?
39 Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee?
40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.
41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:
42 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink:
43 I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not.
44 Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee?
45 Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me.
46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.

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From Devin as witnessed from Jesus and his Father thru their holy spirit.

Eph 2:8-9, Gal 2:16, Rom 3:28, Rom 4:5, Rom 5:1, Titus 3:5 is clear that JUSTIFICATION today is by faith ALONE.
If works are also required then where does Paul teach that as well as the level required ?

Jesussaves150 · Mar 10, 2026

James 2:14,17,18

Take the case, my brothers, of someone who has never done a single good act but claims that he has faith. Will that faith save him? Faith is like that: if good works do not go with it, it is quite dead. I will prove to you that I have faith by showing you my good deeds – now you prove to me that you have faith without any good deeds to show.

soberxp · Apr 8, 2026

Faith with Works without love meaning nothing.

faithhopecharity · May 12, 2026

the problem is that salvation is a multiple part process not a one time event.

each part is different and not interchangeable.

any part in the process can be labeled as salvation but this does not imply that we possess eternal salvation.

we now have union with God in the new covenant thru Christ, by His merits, grace, life & Spirit, not eternal salvation.

some parts exclude works and are the free gift of God, and others require our participation thru works.

misunderstanding of these parts and the scriptures that refer to them
are the cos of much confusion

faithhopecharity · May 12, 2026

Grace: the eternal life of God in Christ. Jn 1:16-17 Jn 10:10 Jn 14:6
2 cor 4:7 eph 2:1 2 pet 1:4
2 Corinthians 12:9

grow in grace by good works:
2 peter 3:18
can lose grace by sin: mt 25:30
Eph 5:6 gal 5:1 1 tim 5:12
1 cor 6:9-10 & 15-20 gal 5:19-21
eph 5:2-6

union: With God and His saints in the new covenant thru Christ, by His merits, grace, life & Spirit, in a state of grace. ps 23:4 Jn 15:1-6 eph 5:23

Eternal salvation: In the next life. mk 10:30 The blessed in heaven.

The state of those who endured to the end (mt 10:22) and die in the grace and union of Christ.

Redemption: (in the large sense)
Christ accomplished the redemption / atonement apart from us, by His life death, & resurrection

Justification: Rom 3:24
Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: Our acceptance / belief in Christ and His redemption.
the initial grace of justification is applied to our souls in baptism. mk 16:16 Jn 3:5 titus 3:5

sanctification: Life of sanctifying grace in the deeds of righteousness, living works, the practice of the virtues, the gifts and fruits of the spirit. Lk 1:75 heb 10:35
mt 25:46 gal 6:7:8 1 thes 4:3
phil 1:29 heb 12:4

faithhopecharity · May 12, 2026

perseverance:

works are required for perseverance!
the deeds of the Spirit!

Lk 1:75 In holiness and righteousness before him, all the days of our life.

Gal 6:7-8

7 Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.

8 For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting.

Jn 3:16 Perpetual faith
mt 3:8 2 cor 7:10 fruits of repentance
Jn 15:4 abide in Christ & bear fruit
Lk 3:9 bear fruit
Lk 1:75 acts 10:35 deeds of righteousness
phil 1:11 fruits of righteousness
mt 26:41 watch and pray
mk 24:48 watch and pray
Lk 21:36 Watch and pray, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.
mt 7:7 ask and you shall receive
Lk 9:23 phil 1:29 daily, deny thyself, take up thy cross and follow me.
mt 7:14 narrow road that leads to life

death:

mk 13:13
And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

mt 10:22
And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved.

mt 24:13
But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

heb 3:6
But Christ as a son over his own house; whose house are we, if we hold fast the confidence and the rejoicing of the hope firm unto the end.

heb 3:14
For we are made partakers of Christ, if we hold the beginning of our confidence stedfast unto the end;

rev 2:10
Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer: behold, the devil shall cast some of you into prison, that ye may be tried; and ye shall have tribulation ten days: be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life.

Those who endured to the end and die in the grace and union of Christ enter into eternal salvation.

Purification: pugation from the effects of sin committed after justification.

no unclean thing enter the heavenly realms of glory

Glorification: crowned by God.

Suffering with Christ is required for glorification with Christ!

Romans 8:17
And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.

2 Timothy 2:12
If we suffer, we shall also reign with him: if we deny him, he also will deny us:

Full eternal Salvation with God forever in heavenly glory!
(the beatific vision)

Titus 2:14
Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, (redemption) and purify unto himself a peculiar people,h (justification / baptism notice purify / wash) Jn 3:5 zealous of good works. (Sanctification) Jn 15:4 abide in Christ Matt 3:16 believes (present tense) Matt 24:13 endures to the end Shall be saved.
(Salvation)

thks

Armour of God · May 13, 2026

What if a person has great faith but lives a life of bad works and unrepeanted sin?

Surely that person will not be saved. A person who only boasts in faith but has a sinful life with bad works

Therefore I see faith and works going hand in hand, one compliments the other. For as James said, faith without works is dead.

faithhopecharity · May 13, 2026

Armour of God said:
What if a person has great faith but lives a life of bad works and unrepeanted sin?

Surely that person will not be saved. A person who only boasts in faith but has a sinful life with bad works

Therefore I see faith and works going hand in hand, one compliments the other. For as James said, faith without works is dead.

yep

(( will never inherit the kingdom of God or attain to eternal salvation ))

mt 25:30
Eph 5:2-6
gal 5:1
gal 5:19-21
gal 6:7-8
1 cor 6:9-10 & 15-20
1 tim 5:12
rev 21:8
rev 21:27

rom 8:1
There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

(what if they walk after the flesh?)

Gal 6:7-8

7 Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.

8 For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting.

thks

amigo de christo · May 13, 2026

soberxp said:
Faith with Works without love meaning nothing.

What a lovely reminder my friend .
And now allow another .
And any love that accepts sins , calls the evil good
and calls the very words of GOD in that bible evil , which exposes those sins .
OH that love IS NOT OF GOD but is of the world , and oh YEAH it means NOTHING b ut REBELLION TO GOD ,
Thank you for such a lovely reminder . Do take heed unto mine as well .
Get far from anything or anyone ecumenical . THAT ENTIRE House be coming DOWN on JESUS DAY .

amigo de christo · May 13, 2026

soberxp said:
Faith with Works without love meaning nothing.

well technically it does mean something . It means their faith was NOT IN GOD , IN CHRIST
but rather in men who led them astray and only into greater and g reater darkness .
But yeah , i suppose you are still correct my friend .
And love in a jesus that allows sins , that allows UNBELIEF , that allows that upon any
IT BE NOT THE LOVE OF GOD .
WHERE is this christendoms love they always talk about non stop . ALL i ever hear from their lips
is God is love , WHICH IS TRUE , but then their love allows sins and even unbelief upon their neighbor .
THAT BE HATE . and it is well written that you s hall NOT hate your neighbor in your heart .
YOU shall NOT
NOT HATE your neighbor in your heart you shall CORRECT him and NOT ALLOW sin upon HIM .
And
now not only will they not correct their neighbor they yell hater at t hose who would correct sin and error .
DO
YOU
SEE
THE PROBLEM YET . many are in love with another god who came in as though HE WERE GOD
and gave them an image of HIM and his acceptance . THAT BE THE DEVIL that many now worship .
As they call the TRUE GOD and HIS WORDS hate and a hater . THAT be THE PROBLEM my friend .
But dont you worry none , I shall expose every last one of them sold out leaders
as well as their sold out false love doctrine . NO matter the cost to me for doing so . NOW THAT IS LOVE and IS OF GOD
for this love DESIRES NOT the destruction and death but rather their repentance .

faithhopecharity · May 15, 2026

rvmb said:
Eph 2:8-9, Gal 2:16, Rom 3:28, Rom 4:5, Rom 5:1, Titus 3:5 is clear that JUSTIFICATION today is by faith ALONE.
If works are also required then where does Paul teach that as well as the level required ?

most of the new testament

1 pet 4:1 Forasmuch then as Christ hath suffered for us in the flesh, arm yourselves likewise with the same mind: for he that hath suffered in the flesh hath ceased from sin;

Matthew 10:38
And he that taketh not his cross, and followeth after me, is not worthy of me.

Matthew 16:24
Then said Jesus unto his disciples, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me.

Matthew 7:14
Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life...

Matthew 16:25
For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: and whosoever will lose his life for my sake shall find it.

John 12:25
He that loveth his life shall lose it; and he that hateth his life in this world shall keep it unto life eternal.

Romans 8:17
And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.

2 Corinthians 12:9
And he said unto me, My grace is sufficient for thee: for my strength is made perfect in weakness. Most gladly therefore will I rather glory in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me.

2 Thessalonians 1:5
Which is a manifest token of the righteous judgment of God, that ye may be counted worthy of the kingdom of God, for which ye also suffer:

Colossians 1:11
Strengthened with all might, according to his glorious power, unto all patience and longsuffering with joyfulness;

2 Tim 2:3 Thou therefore endure hardness, as a good soldier of Jesus Christ.

2 Timothy 2:12
If we suffer with Him, we shall also reign with him: if we deny him, he also will deny us:

Phil 1:29
For unto you it is given in the behalf of Christ, not only to believe on him, but also to suffer for his sake;

2 tim 1:8 Be not thou therefore ashamed of the testimony of our Lord, nor of me his prisoner: but be thou partaker of the afflictions of the gospel according to the power of God;

1 Peter 5:10
But the God of all grace, who hath called us unto his eternal glory by Christ Jesus, after that ye have suffered a while, make you perfect, stablish, strengthen, settle you.

1 pet 4:1 Forasmuch then as Christ hath suffered for us in the flesh, arm yourselves likewise with the same mind: for he that hath suffered in the flesh hath ceased from sin;

James 1:2-8
My brethren, count it all joy when ye fall into divers temptations; Knowing this, that the trying of your faith worketh patience. But let patience have her perfect work, that ye may be perfect and entire, wanting nothing

Hebrews 6:12
That ye be not slothful, but followers of them who through faith and patience inherit the promises.

Hebrews 10:36
For ye have need of patience, that, after ye have done the will of God, ye might receive the promise.

Hebrews 12:4
Ye have not yet resisted unto blood, striving against sin.

Galatians 5:24
And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.

1 Peter 2:20
For what glory is it, if, when ye be buffeted for your faults, ye shall take it patiently? but if, when ye do well, and suffer for it, ye take it patiently, this is acceptable with God.

Rev 2: 19 I know thy works, and charity, and service, and faith, and thy patience, and thy works; and the last to be more than the first.

With faith, hope, & charity and all the virtues, prayer, fasting, alms etc.

in all things abiding in Christ
(Jn 15:1-6) endure unto the end!
(mt 10:22 rev 2:10)

faith alone? then why add to your faith?

2 Peter 1:5
And beside this, giving all diligence, add to your faith virtue; and to virtue knowledge;

Luke 21:19
In your patience possess ye your souls.

Luke 8:15
But that on the good ground are they, which in an honest and good heart, having heard the word, keep it, and bring forth fruit with patience.

Romans 5:3-5

3 And not only so, but we glory in tribulations also: knowing that tribulation worketh patience;

4 And patience, experience; and experience, hope:

5 and hope maketh not ashamed; because the love of God is shed abroad in our hearts by the Holy Ghost which is given unto us.

Colossians 1:11
Strengthened with all might, according to his glorious power, unto all patience and longsuffering with joyfulness;

1 Thessalonians 1:3
Remembering without ceasing your work of faith, and labour of love, and patience of hope in our Lord Jesus Christ, in the sight of God and our Father;

2 Thessalonians 1:4
So that we ourselves glory in you in the churches of God for your patience and faith in all your persecutions and tribulations that ye endure:

1 Timothy 6:11
But thou, O man of God, flee these things; and follow after righteousness, godliness, faith, love, patience, meekness.

2 Timothy 3:10
But thou hast fully known my doctrine, manner of life, purpose, faith, longsuffering, charity, patience,

Titus 2:2
That the aged men be sober, grave, temperate, sound in faith, in charity, in patience.

Hebrews 6:12
That ye be not slothful, but followers of them who through faith and patience inherit the promises.

Hebrews 10:36
For ye have need of patience, that, after ye have done the will of God, ye might receive the promise.

James 1:3
Knowing this, that the trying of your faith worketh patience.

James 1:4
But let patience have her perfect work, that ye may be perfect and entire, wanting nothing.

James 5:10
Take, my brethren, the prophets, who have spoken in the name of the Lord, for an example of suffering affliction, and of patience.

2 Peter 1:6
And to knowledge temperance; and to temperance patience; and to patience godliness;

Revelation 14:12
Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus. (rev 12:17)

thks

Armour of God · May 15, 2026

faithhopecharity said:
faith alone? then why add to your faith?

Because "faith without deeds is dead".
As James said.

If a person has good faith but lives a life full of bad deeds and unrepentant sin, will he be saved just on faith alone?

PeterAndroz · May 15, 2026

Armour of God said:
Because "faith without deeds is dead".
As James said.

If a person has good faith but lives a life full of bad deeds and unrepentant sin, will he be saved just on faith alone?

Hey A, how are you ?
Does all the Bible apply to us today ?
eg James 1:1 writes that he is addressing the 12 tribes but not the Gentiles.
What leads you to understand his "faith without" comment applies to you ?

Armour of God · May 16, 2026

PeterAndroz said:
Hey A, how are you ?
Does all the Bible apply to us today ?
eg James 1:1 writes that he is addressing the 12 tribes but not the Gentiles.
What leads you to understand his "faith without" comment applies to you ?

Hello my neighbour in SA
Welcome to the forum

James writes to the 12 tribes but doesn't say his teaching does not apply to gentiles.

Can you please answer this.
If a person has good faith but lives a life full of bad deeds and unrepentant sin, will he be saved just on faith alone?

PeterAndroz · May 16, 2026

Armour of God said:
Hello my neighbour in SA
Welcome to the forum

James writes to the 12 tribes but doesn't say his teaching does not apply to gentiles.

Can you please answer this.
If a person has good faith but lives a life full of bad deeds and unrepentant sin, will he be saved just on faith alone?

Hi G.
Bad deeds, unrepentant sin equals sin.
My life is not sinless, is yours ?
Quoting Scripture, what level of sin is required before a previously saved believer is classified as unsaved ?

Armour of God · May 17, 2026

PeterAndroz said:
Bad deeds, unrepentant sin equals sin

That doesn't answer my question so I'll answer it myself.

"If a person has good faith but lives a life full of bad deeds and unrepentant sin, will he be saved just on faith alone?"

No. Here is the scriptural evidence.

James 2:26
faith without deeds is dead

2 Corinthians 5:10
For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, so that each of us may receive what is due us for the things done while in the body, whether good or bad

Revelation 20:12
And the dead were judged by what was written in the books, according to what they had done.

1 Peter 1:17
And if you call on him as Father who judges impartially according to each one's deeds, conduct yourselves with fear throughout the time of your exile

I know there is also scripture supporting faith alone but I don't think there is scripture saying that the unrepeanted sinners will be saved. Living righteously and repenting for our sins is still required in my opinion

PeterAndroz said:
My life is not sinless, is yours ?

I'll still answer your questions.
No but my sins are not voluntary as they once were before I turned to God. They consist of sinful thoughts such as envy and lust. They are accidental sins, not wilful sins and I ask for forgiveness for them.

1 John 1:9
If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness

Matthew 6:12
And forgive us our debts, as we also have forgiven our debtors

PeterAndroz said:
Quoting Scripture, what level of sin is required before a previously saved believer is classified as unsaved ?

I don't know what level of sin is required but I did quote scripture saying we will be judged on our actions and that we will be forgiven of our sins if we repent.

Thinking that one will be saved gives them a licence to live a willfully sinful life without any repentance.

For all these reasons I see faith and deeds going hand in hand. You can't have one without the other. You can't willfully live a sinful life without any repentance and still be saved in my opinion

Also, I don't understand it when people say "I'm saved". It is grammatically incorrect. Salvation is something that occurs in the future, not in the past or present here on earth. A more correct phrase for someone who thinks they will be saved would be "I will be saved".

PeterAndroz · May 17, 2026

Armour of God said:
That doesn't answer my question so I'll answer it myself.

"If a person has good faith but lives a life full of bad deeds and unrepentant sin, will he be saved just on faith alone?"

No. Here is the scriptural evidence.

James 2:26
faith without deeds is dead

2 Corinthians 5:10
For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, so that each of us may receive what is due us for the things done while in the body, whether good or bad

Revelation 20:12
And the dead were judged by what was written in the books, according to what they had done.

1 Peter 1:17
And if you call on him as Father who judges impartially according to each one's deeds, conduct yourselves with fear throughout the time of your exile

I know there is also scripture supporting faith alone but I don't think there is scripture saying that the unrepeanted sinners will be saved. Living righteously and repenting for our sins is still required in my opinion

I'll still answer your questions.
No but my sins are not voluntary as they once were before I turned to God. They consist of sinful thoughts such as envy and lust. They are accidental sins, not wilful sins and I ask for forgiveness for them.

1 John 1:9
If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness

Matthew 6:12
And forgive us our debts, as we also have forgiven our debtors

I don't know what level of sin is required but I did quote scripture saying we will be judged on our actions and that we will be forgiven of our sins if we repent.

Thinking that one will be saved gives them a licence to live a willfully sinful life without any repentance.

For all these reasons I see faith and deeds going hand in hand. You can't have one without the other. You can't willfully live a sinful life without any repentance and still be saved in my opinion

Also, I don't understand it when people say "I'm saved". It is grammatically incorrect. Salvation is something that occurs in the future, not in the past or present here on earth. A more correct phrase for someone who thinks they will be saved would be "I will be saved".

Justification/saved is by faith AND a level of performance according to you.
Lets see where Paul teaches that :-
Titus 3:5-7 ? Nope
Gal 2:16 ? Nope
Rom 3:28 ? Nope
Eph 2:8-9 ? Nope
Rom 4:5 ? Nope
Rom 5:1 ? Nope
Hmm, ok what does Paul teach as the requirement to be justisifed/saved ?
1 Cor 15:1-4, Eph 1:13 there it is

Armour of God · May 18, 2026

PeterAndroz said:
Justification/saved is by faith AND a level of performance according to you.
Lets see where Paul teaches that :-
Titus 3:5-7 ? Nope
Gal 2:16 ? Nope
Rom 3:28 ? Nope
Eph 2:8-9 ? Nope
Rom 4:5 ? Nope
Rom 5:1 ? Nope
Hmm, ok what does Paul teach as the requirement to be justisifed/saved ?
1 Cor 15:1-4, Eph 1:13 there it is

As I said, I know there is scripture that suggests we're saved by faith alone, but there is also scripture that says we will be judged on our actions, I presented some of them, your just ignoring that.

You believe a person can live a life of bad deeds and unrepeanted sin and still be saved on faith.

I disagree. I accept there is scripture for both, I'm not ignoring one side or another.

And so I choose to do good deeds and repent for my sins. I don't understand peoples objection to that.

Will I not still be saved?
Of course I will, I have good faith and good deeds and I repent for my sins. I have it all covered whichever way you look at it.

It's better to have faith and good deeds than faith and bad deeds. Don't you agree?

What scripture explicitly says the unrepeanted sinner will be saved?
I don't know of any

PeterAndroz · May 18, 2026

Armour of God said:
As I said, I know there is scripture that suggests we're saved by faith alone, but there is also scripture that says we will be judged on our actions, I presented some of them, your just ignoring that.

You believe a person can live a life of bad deeds and unrepeanted sin and still be saved on faith.

I disagree. I accept there is scripture for both, I'm not ignoring one side or another.

And so I choose to do good deeds and repent for my sins. I don't understand peoples objection to that.

Will I not still be saved?
Of course I will, I have good faith and good deeds and I repent for my sins. I have it all covered whichever way you look at it.

It's better to have faith and good deeds than faith and bad deeds. Don't you agree?

What scripture explicitly says the unrepeanted sinner will be saved?
I don't know of any

Hi G, thnx 4 the reply.
What Scripture applies to us today is the important question.
2 Tim 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
eg:-
Was King David justified/saved by the teachings of Matthew ? No
Was John the Baptist justified by the teachings of Paul ? No
Was Paul justified by the teachings of Moses ? No.
See the problem ?
If you try and blend all the teachings of all the Apostles then apply them to yourself confusion is the result.
If you let Scripture teach you who teaches you how to be justified/saved then confusion vanishes.
++++
Using just Scripture, list the verses that teaches you who your Apostle is.
The role of that Apostle is to teach you how to be justifed/saved.
What verses do you rely on ?

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