Faith with Works

faithhopecharity said:

where does it say faith alone?

thks

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Where does Paul teach 'works' to be justified ? Nowhere
Read these :)
Titus 3:5
Eph 2:8-9
Gal 2:16
Rom 3:28
Rom 4:5
Rom 5:1
thks

Armour of God said:

James writes to the 12 tribes but doesn't say his teaching does not apply to gentiles.

Can you please answer this.

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Yes!

Armour of God said:

You cherry pick scripture that suits your belief and reject scripture the opposes it.

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If we are going to cherry pick, at least do it With God's Precious Word Of Truth, Rightly
Divided, eh?:


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And, precious friend(s), Please Be Very Richly Encouraged and Edified
In The Lord Jesus Christ and In His Precious Word Of Truth, Rightly
Divided:

The Bible: The BIG Picture

Amen.

PeterAndroz said:

Where does Paul teach 'works' to be justified ? Nowhere
Read these :)
Titus 3:5
Eph 2:8-9
Gal 2:16
Rom 3:28
Rom 4:5
Rom 5:1
thks

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Sing it

"ST PAUL SAID WE WILL BE JUDGED
SO KEEP UP OUR GOOD DEEEEEEEDS
SCRIPTURE SAYS WE WILL BE JUDGED
KEEP UP OUR GOOD DEEEEEEEEEEEDS"

GRACE ambassador said:

Yes!

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Are you cutting my phrases out of context and mixing them together. WoW that's really dishonest if you are.

Or perhaps you were actually answering my question that I asked, which was.

I have faith, I have good deeds and I repent for my sins. Will I be saved?

You said yes.
Thanks for confirming my point.

Armour of God said:

Sing it

"ST PAUL SAID WE WILL BE JUDGED
SO KEEP UP OUR GOOD DEEEEEEEDS
SCRIPTURE SAYS WE WILL BE JUDGED
KEEP UP OUR GOOD DEEEEEEEEEEEDS"

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List the verses where Paul teaches that as a JUSTIFICATION requirement to enter Heaven.:-
Let's again see what Paul teaches re faith and works to be saved, justified, made righteous
The Gospel :-
Gal 1:11-12
11But I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached of me is not after man.
12For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ.
1 Cor 15:1-4
1Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;
2By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.
3For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;
4And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:
Eph 1:13
13In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,
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The PERFORMANCE conditions :-
Titus 3:
5Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;
Gal 2:
16Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.
Rom 3:
28Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.
Eph 2:
8For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9Not of works, lest any man should boast.
Rom 4:
5But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.
Rom 5:
1Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ:

PeterAndroz said:

List the verses where Paul teaches that as a JUSTIFICATION requirement to enter Heaven.:-
Let's again see what Paul teaches re faith and works to be saved, justified, made righteous
The Gospel :-
Gal 1:11-12
11But I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached of me is not after man.
12For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ.
1 Cor 15:1-4
1Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;
2By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.
3For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;
4And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:
Eph 1:13
13In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,
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The PERFORMANCE conditions :-
Titus 3:
5Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;
Gal 2:
16Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.
Rom 3:
28Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.
Eph 2:
8For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9Not of works, lest any man should boast.
Rom 4:
5But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.
Rom 5:
1Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ:

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- I have questions, but despite me answering all of your questions you won't answer any of mine, so I'm not going to bother.

- You reject all scriptural teachings, including Christ's, you only follow Paul's teachings. I disagree with that. No where does it say that we are only supposed to follow Paul's teachings.

- But even Paul tells us we will be judged and you reject that anyway. You only cherry pick the verses that suits you.

- I have faith, so even by your beliefs, I will be saved.

- Repenting for my sins and having good deeds, I will still be saved under your beliefs and everyone else's beliefs, including mine.

- So I appreciate you sharing your opinion but I'll keep up my good deeds thank you very much

"THANKS FOR SHARING YOUR OPINIONS
BUT I'LL KEEP UP MY GOOD DEEEEEDS
I DON'T BELIEVE IN YOUR OPINIONS
KEEP UP MY GOOD DEEEEEEEEEDS"

Armour of God said:

- I have questions, but despite me answering all of your questions you won't answer any of mine, so I'm not going to bother.

- You reject all scriptural teachings, including Christ's, you only follow Paul's teachings. I disagree with that. No where does it say that we are only supposed to follow Paul's teachings.

- But even Paul tells us we will be judged and you reject that anyway. You only cherry pick the verses that suits you.

- I have faith, so even by your beliefs, I will be saved.

- Repenting for my sins and having good deeds, I will still be saved under your beliefs and everyone else's beliefs, including mine.

- So I appreciate you sharing your opinion but I'll keep up my good deeds thank you very much

"THANKS FOR SHARING YOUR OPINIONS
BUT I'LL KEEP UP MY GOOD DEEEEEDS
I DON'T BELIEVE IN YOUR OPINIONS
KEEP UP MY GOOD DEEEEEEEEEDS"

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Do you accept the teachings of Christ through Paul re how to be saved ?
Here it is again for your perusal
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The Gospel :-
Gal 1:11-12
11But I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached of me is not after man.
12For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ.
1 Cor 15:1-4
1Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;
2By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.
3For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;
4And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:
Eph 1:13
13In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,
++++++++++++
The PERFORMANCE conditions :-
Titus 3:
5Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;
Gal 2:
16Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.
Rom 3:
28Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.
Eph 2:
8For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9Not of works, lest any man should boast.
Rom 4:
5But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.
Rom 5:
1Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ:

PeterAndroz said:

Do you accept the teachings of Christ through Paul re how to be saved ?
Here it is again for your perusal
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The Gospel :-
Gal 1:11-12
11But I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached of me is not after man.
12For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ.
1 Cor 15:1-4
1Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;
2By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.
3For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;
4And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:
Eph 1:13
13In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,
++++++++++++
The PERFORMANCE conditions :-
Titus 3:
5Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;
Gal 2:
16Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.
Rom 3:
28Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.
Eph 2:
8For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9Not of works, lest any man should boast.
Rom 4:
5But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.
Rom 5:
1Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ:

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I will be saved. That's all that matters to me

Keep up your good deeds my friend, for you will be judged as Paul said

faithhopecharity said:

Amen!

Lk 1:75
In holiness and righteousness before him, all the days of our life.


acts 10:35
But in every nation he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with him.

thks

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Sin seems like fun and pleasure but its a cruel slavery, producing only guilt, the sting of the task masters whip!

Only the Precious Blood of Jesus can wash away sin!

one drop for sinners spilt can purge the entire world of all it's guilt!

Luke 9:23
And he said to them all, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross daily, and follow me.

heb 12:4 Ye have not yet resisted unto blood, striving against sin.

phil 1:29 For unto you it is given in the behalf of Christ, not only to believe on him, but also to suffer for his sake;

Our hearts oh God are made for Thee, and for love, they will not rest till they rest in Thee! St. Augustine

rom 5:5 The Holy Spirit casts His love abroad in our hearts!

Jesus takes all our sins upon Himself and sheds His precious blood!

From the precious blood and holy wounds proceeds the fruits of sanctity!

Precious Blood of Jesus, save us!

PeterAndroz said:

You claim :- justification is a gratuitous gift of God we cannot earn or merit it even by faith alone!
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According to the teachings of Christ through Paul you are saved and sealed by trusting in the death, burial and resurrection of Christ.
Gal 1:11-12. 1 Cor 15:1-4 teaches how you are saved
Eph 1:13 teaches how you are sealed
Besides repent from the sin of disbelief what else is required to be and remain saved ?
Titus 3:5-7
Eph 2:8-9
Gal 2:16
Rom 3:28
Rom 4:5
Rom 5:1
Besides faith, if you can find works, performance, not sinning, water baptism etc as a condition of justification as taught by Paul please list the verses FROM PAUL :)

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it is not earned by faith

faith predisposes us to receive the free gift but not faith faith alone humility as well and prayer etc.

1 Peter 5:5
Likewise, ye younger, submit yourselves unto the elder. Yea, all of you be subject one to another, and be clothed with humility: for God resisteth the proud, and giveth graceto the humble.

heb 12:4 Ye have not yet resisted unto blood, striving against sin.

mt 7:7
mt 7:14
mt 26:41

mt 25 all the actions of the faithful sheep!

thks

PeterAndroz said:

Where does Paul teach 'works' to be justified ? Nowhere
Read these :)
Titus 3:5
Eph 2:8-9
Gal 2:16
Rom 3:28
Rom 4:5
Rom 5:1
thks

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we do not have eternal salvation but grace, grace can be increased by good works or lost by sin!
2 pet 3:18 & gal 5:4 & 2 cor 4:7

Jn 15:5

apart from Christ?

NOTHING!

phil 4:13

Union with Christ?

ALL THINGS!

2 Corinthians 12:9
And he said unto me, My grace is sufficient for thee: for my strength is made perfect in weakness. Most gladly therefore will I rather glory in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me.

thks

PeterAndroz said:

Where does Paul teach 'works' to be justified ? Nowhere
Read these :)
Titus 3:5
Eph 2:8-9
Gal 2:16
Rom 3:28
Rom 4:5
Rom 5:1
thks

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Jn 3:16 Perpetual faith
mt 3:8 2 cor 7:10 fruits of repentance
Jn 15:4 abide in Christ & bear fruit
Lk 3:9 bear fruit
Lk 1:75 acts 10:35 deeds of righteousness
phil 1:11 fruits of righteousness
mt 26:41 watch and pray
mk 24:48 watch and pray
Lk 21:36 Watch and pray, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.
mt 7:7 ask and you shall receive
Lk 9:23 phil 1:29 daily, deny thyself, take up thy cross and follow me.
mt 7:14 narrow road that leads to life
2 pet 3:18 grow in grace
mt 10:22 mk 13:13 mt 24:13 endure to the end in patient suffering
rev 2:10 he who overcomes I shall give the crown of life!

Thks

PeterAndroz said:

Where does Paul teach 'works' to be justified ? Nowhere
Read these :)
Titus 3:5
Eph 2:8-9
Gal 2:16
Rom 3:28
Rom 4:5
Rom 5:1
thks

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mk 13:13
And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

mt 10:22
And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved.

mt 24:13
But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

heb 3:6
But Christ as a son over his own house; whose house are we, if we hold fast the confidence and the rejoicing of the hope firm unto the end.

heb 3:14
For we are made partakers of Christ, if we hold the beginning of our confidence stedfast unto the end;

rev 2:10
Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer: behold, the devil shall cast some of you into prison, that ye may be tried; and ye shall have tribulation ten days: be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life.

thks

PeterAndroz said:

Where does Paul teach 'works' to be justified ? Nowhere
Read these :)
Titus 3:5
Eph 2:8-9
Gal 2:16
Rom 3:28
Rom 4:5
Rom 5:1
thks

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the deeds of the flesh crush the deeds of the spirit and cos the loss of grace and eternal life

the deeds of the spirit crush the deeds of the flesh and give grace and life!

(( will never inherit the kingdom of God or attain to eternal salvation ))

mt 25:30
Eph 5:2-6
gal 5:1
gal 5:19-21
gal 6:7-8
1 cor 6:9-10 & 15-20
1 tim 5:12
rev 21:8
rev 21:27

rom 8:1
There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

(what if they walk after the flesh?)


Gal 6:7-8

7 Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.

8 For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting.

Romans 8:13
For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.

thks

Armour of God said:

- I have questions, but despite me answering all of your questions you won't answer any of mine, so I'm not going to bother.

- You reject all scriptural teachings, including Christ's, you only follow Paul's teachings. I disagree with that. No where does it say that we are only supposed to follow Paul's teachings.

- But even Paul tells us we will be judged and you reject that anyway. You only cherry pick the verses that suits you.

- I have faith, so even by your beliefs, I will be saved.

- Repenting for my sins and having good deeds, I will still be saved under your beliefs and everyone else's beliefs, including mine.

- So I appreciate you sharing your opinion but I'll keep up my good deeds thank you very much

"THANKS FOR SHARING YOUR OPINIONS
BUT I'LL KEEP UP MY GOOD DEEEEEDS
I DON'T BELIEVE IN YOUR OPINIONS
KEEP UP MY GOOD DEEEEEEEEEDS"

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You are welcome to ask a question

PeterAndroz said:

You are welcome to ask a question

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You don't answer my questions so why bother.

There is nothing wrong with having good deeds. It's better than having bad deeds

Armour of God said:

You don't answer my questions so why bother.

There is nothing wrong with having good deeds. It's better than having bad deeds

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Did I ever say it was wrong to do good deeds ? No.
My request was/is, where does Paul teach that 'good deeds' (performance) is a JUSTIFICATION requirement.
Part of a 'saved' life ? YES.
Justification requirement ? NO
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The Gospel :-
Gal 1:11-12
11But I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached of me is not after man.
12For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ.
1 Cor 15:1-4
1Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;
2By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.
3For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;
4And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:
Eph 1:13
13In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,
++++++++++++
The PERFORMANCE conditions :-
Titus 3:
5Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;
Gal 2:
16Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.
Rom 3:
28Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.
Eph 2:
8For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9Not of works, lest any man should boast.
Rom 4:
5But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.
Rom 5:
1Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ:

PeterAndroz said:

Did I ever say it was wrong to do good deeds ? No

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Then it's settled.
I will keep up my good deeds

PeterAndroz said:

You claim :- justification is a gratuitous gift of God we cannot earn or merit it even by faith alone!
++++++++++++++
According to the teachings of Christ through Paul you are saved and sealed by trusting in the death, burial and resurrection of Christ.
Gal 1:11-12. 1 Cor 15:1-4 teaches how you are saved
Eph 1:13 teaches how you are sealed
Besides repent from the sin of disbelief what else is required to be and remain saved ?
Titus 3:5-7
Eph 2:8-9
Gal 2:16
Rom 3:28
Rom 4:5
Rom 5:1
Besides faith, if you can find works, performance, not sinning, water baptism etc as a condition of justification as taught by Paul please list the verses FROM PAUL :)

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1 cor 13:13 three are eternal faith hope and charity

if it was by faith alone the greatest would be faith!

Luke 21:36
Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.

eph 6:11-13

11 Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil.

12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

13 Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand.

not faith alone!

thks

PeterAndroz said:

You claim :- justification is a gratuitous gift of God we cannot earn or merit it even by faith alone!
++++++++++++++
According to the teachings of Christ through Paul you are saved and sealed by trusting in the death, burial and resurrection of Christ.
Gal 1:11-12. 1 Cor 15:1-4 teaches how you are saved
Eph 1:13 teaches how you are sealed
Besides repent from the sin of disbelief what else is required to be and remain saved ?
Titus 3:5-7
Eph 2:8-9
Gal 2:16
Rom 3:28
Rom 4:5
Rom 5:1
Besides faith, if you can find works, performance, not sinning, water baptism etc as a condition of justification as taught by Paul please list the verses FROM PAUL :)

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why the need of patience & not faith alone?

Lk 8:15
But that on the good ground are they, which in an honest and good heart, having heard the word, keep it, and bring forth fruit with patience.

Luke 21:19
In your patience possess ye your souls.

Romans 5:3-5

3 And not only so, but we glory in tribulations also: knowing that tribulation worketh patience;

4 And patience, experience; and experience, hope:

5 and hope maketh not ashamed; because the love of God is shed abroad in our hearts by the Holy Ghost which is given unto us.

Colossians 1:11
Strengthened with all might, according to his glorious power, unto all patience and longsuffering with joyfulness;

1 Thessalonians 1:3
Remembering without ceasing your work of faith, and labour of love, and patience of hope in our Lord Jesus Christ, in the sight of God and our Father;

2 Thessalonians 1:4
So that we ourselves glory in you in the churches of God for your patience and faith in all your persecutions and tribulations that ye endure:

1 Timothy 6:11
But thou, O man of God, flee these things; and follow after righteousness, godliness, faith, love, patience, meekness.

2 Timothy 3:10
But thou hast fully known my doctrine, manner of life, purpose, faith, longsuffering, charity, patience,

Titus 2:2
That the aged men be sober, grave, temperate, sound in faith, in charity, in patience.

Hebrews 6:12
That ye be not slothful, but followers of them who through faith and patience inherit the promises.

Hebrews 10:36
For ye have need of patience, that, after ye have done the will of God, ye might receive the promise.

James 1:3
Knowing this, that the trying of your faith worketh patience.

James 1:4
But let patience have her perfect work, that ye may be perfect and entire, wanting nothing.

James 5:10
Take, my brethren, the prophets, who have spoken in the name of the Lord, for an example of suffering affliction, and of patience.

2 Peter 1:6
And to knowledge temperance; and to temperance patience; and to patience godliness;

Revelation 14:12
Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus. (rev 12:17)

thks