Do you believe in biological evolution?

faithhopecharity said:

gen 1:1 In the beginning "SCIENCE" created the heavens and the earth...?

Ps 19:1 the heavens declare the glory of "SCIENCE"?

whatever!

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The Barbarian said:

See, that's the issue. Science assumes the universe exists, but doesn't say anything about how it started. That's a religious question. Science only deals with the universe as it is, and it can neither assert nor deny a creator. Science can't do that, but scientists can.

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faithhopecharity said:

in the 1950's they were warning of a coming mini ice age by the 1970's

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THE MYTH OF THE 1970s GLOBAL COOLING SCIENTIFIC CONSENSUS ​

faithhopecharity said:

OOPS!

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The Barbarian said:

Someone took advantage of your trust in them...

THE MYTH OF THE 1970s GLOBAL COOLING SCIENTIFIC CONSENSUS ​

Climate science as we know it today did not exist in the 1960s and 1970s. The integrated enterprise embodied in the Nobel Prizewinning work of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change existed then as separate threads of research pursued by isolated groups of scientists. Atmospheric chemists and modelers grappled with the measurement of changes in carbon dioxide and atmospheric gases, and the changes in climate that might result. Meanwhile, geologists and paleoclimate researchers tried to understand when Earth slipped into and out of ice ages, and why. An enduring popular myth suggests that in the 1970s the climate science community was predicting “global cooling” and an “imminent” ice age, an observation frequently used by those who would undermine what climate scientists say today about the prospect of global warming. A review of the literature suggests that, on the contrary, greenhouse warming even then dominated scientists' thinking as being one of the most important forces shaping Earth's climate on human time scales. More importantly than showing the falsehood of the myth, this review describes how scientists of the time built the foundation on which the cohesive enterprise of modern climate science now rests.

https://journals.ametsoc.org/view/journals/bams/89/9/2008bams2370_1.xml

Yep. It's especially good to check stories when you really want them to be true. Saves me a lot of embarrassment. It could work for you, too.

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faithhopecharity said:

there was a scientist on the groucho show "you bet your life" in the 50's it was real! you can still get it on youtube

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The Barbarian said:

THE MYTH OF THE 1970s GLOBAL COOLING SCIENTIFIC CONSENSUS
Climate science as we know it today did not exist in the 1960s and 1970s. The integrated enterprise embodied in the Nobel Prizewinning work of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change existed then as separate threads of research pursued by isolated groups of scientists. Atmospheric chemists and modelers grappled with the measurement of changes in carbon dioxide and atmospheric gases, and the changes in climate that might result. Meanwhile, geologists and paleoclimate researchers tried to understand when Earth slipped into and out of ice ages, and why. An enduring popular myth suggests that in the 1970s the climate science community was predicting “global cooling” and an “imminent” ice age, an observation frequently used by those who would undermine what climate scientists say today about the prospect of global warming. A review of the literature suggests that, on the contrary, greenhouse warming even then dominated scientists' thinking as being one of the most important forces shaping Earth's climate on human time scales. More importantly than showing the falsehood of the myth, this review describes how scientists of the time built the foundation on which the cohesive enterprise of modern climate science now rests.

https://journals.ametsoc.org/view/journals/bams/89/9/2008bams2370_1.xml


Yep. It's especially good to check stories when you really want them to be true. Saves me a lot of embarrassment. It could work for you, too.


Much as I admire Groucho Marx, I prefer to get my information from real climatologists. It is possible that Groucho found one of the few climatologist who actually thought cooling was a possible trend. More likely, it was a scientist from some other discipline, as there were few climatologists at the time. As the data I showed you indicates, even in the early 70s, there were still a few climate scientists who suspected cooling was coming.

Not very many though. And as the data accumulated, there were fewer and fewer of them. The fifties, when climatology was just developing, likely had less consensus. But you can see, by the early 70s, the consensus was for warming.

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faithhopecharity said:

I did not say groucho was the source I said a scientist on his show

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