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Ignorant church fathers thought we could never be free from sin because our body was still alive, because they thought "the flesh" was our body of muscles and organs. But Paul refers to "the flesh" in a two different manners. Therefore, the context is important. The second meaning, Paul meant our nature inside. That "flesh" means "carnality." This is why we must be born again. Our nature needed to be born again where sin is produced. Our body is NOT where sin is produced. Our body is like a floppy puppet, but NOT the puppet master. The puppet master is our mind and conscience/our nature; either a sin nature, or a clean nature that may partake of the divine nature of God.

Romans 8:8-9 demonstrates this inner nature and referred to as "the flesh." And to be sure we would understand the difference, (or to some it may have confused the issue) Paul follows with verse 10 about the "other" flesh, our body that still must die, but the nature already has died and been born again. In Romans 6 Paul calls the sin nature, "the old man." It has been crucified - for a born again Christian that is past tense. For a fake Christian it still must be crucified and born again, resurrected free from sin NOW. We don't have to wait until be die to be free from sin. Understand?

8 So then, those who are in the flesh cannot please God.
9 But you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. Now if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he is not His.
10 And if Christ is in you, the body is dead because of sin, but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
And now a word . What do ye THINKS is the difference between the fake christain and the true christain .
Cause i sees me a whole heap of christains running to a false love SISTAH . And i IS and i am gonna expose
er last bit of it , no ma tter the cost to me .
 

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And now a word . What do ye THINKS is the difference between the fake christain and the true christain .
Cause i sees me a whole heap of christains running to a false love SISTAH . And i IS and i am gonna expose
er last bit of it , no ma tter the cost to me .
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And now a word . What do ye THINKS is the difference between the fake christain and the true christain .
Cause i sees me a whole heap of christains running to a false love SISTAH . And i IS and i am gonna expose
er last bit of it , no ma tter the cost to me .
A fake Christian willfully sins against God. They can't help themselves. A person can test themselves by checking out Galatians 5:19-23. Jesus has taken away all desire to commit those sins and given them the strength of the Holy Spirit, making them born again of the Spirit. Otherwise, that person doesn't belong to Jesus.
 

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A fake Christian willfully sins against God. They can't help themselves. A person can test themselves by checking out Galatians 5:19-23. Jesus has taken away all desire to commit those sins and given them the strength of the Holy Spirit, making them born again of the Spirit. Otherwise, that person doesn't belong to Jesus.
A true Christian still has sinful desires now and then, they do not all vanish forever. Thus, we must struggle against sinful thoughts constantly.


Galatians 5:17

For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.


Galatians 6:1

Brethren, if a man be overtaken in a fault, ye which are spiritual, restore such an one in the spirit of meekness; considering thyself, lest thou also be tempted.


Romans 7

18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.

19 For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do.

20 Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.

21 I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me.

22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:

23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.
 
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A true Christian still has sinful desires now and then, they do not all vanish forever. Thus, we must struggle against sinful thoughts constantly.


Galatians 5:17

For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.


Galatians 6:1

Brethren, if a man be overtaken in a fault, ye which are spiritual, restore such an one in the spirit of meekness; considering thyself, lest thou also be tempted.


Romans 7

18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.

19 For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do.

20 Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.

21 I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me.

22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:

23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.
Wow, you have a lot to learn. Let's see if I can help.

Galatians 5:17 has a publisher's error in it? The "s" in Spirit is small, meaning our own mind that has to learn the law, rather than the New Covenant when the law is written on our hearts as when born again of the Spirit when Jesus takes away all desire to commit willful lawless sin. It parallels Romans 7:25 and is before becoming born again of the Spirit. A true Christian is not in "the flesh" to fight with the Spirit. That doesn't even make sense according to Romans 8:9 that says we aren't even in "the flesh."

Please dwell on these corrections to your thinking.

Also, you are quoting other scriptures that are again not about a Christian. Romans 7 is the history of The Law. (before, during and after.) Romans 7:9 is BEFORE Moses. Romans 7:14-25 is DURING the law and the Old Covenant. And Romans 7:5-6 is AFTER (notice they are not in the flesh as it is in the past.)
 

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Amen, Sister, how are you all? We are well, pheart prywprywthank you. You all have a great day.

Love always, Walter and Debbie
I got a good photo of the kids. They are really growing. They are my miracles.
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My husband got an even better job working at his same company recently. Im feeling really good these days.
 

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I got a good photo of the kids. They are really growing. They are my miracles.
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My husband got an even better job working at his same company recently. Im feeling really good these days.
Wonderful!! Both are beautiful, and Oz's great head of hair!!!!
 

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I got a good photo of the kids. They are really growing. They are my miracles.
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My husband got an even better job working at his same company recently. Im feeling really good these days.
Hello, My Sister, Great Testimony and update, Thank you for sharing. Debbie has not seen this yet.

Love always, Walter
 
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…the New Covenant when the law is written on our hearts as when born again of the Spirit when Jesus takes away all desire to commit willful lawless sin. It parallels Romans 7:25 and is before becoming born again of the Spirit. A true Christian is not in "the flesh" to fight with the Spirit. That doesn't even make sense according to Romans 8:9 that says we aren't even in "the flesh."

Please dwell on these corrections to your thinking.

Also, you are quoting other scriptures that are again not about a Christian. Romans 7 is the history of The Law. (before, during and after.) Romans 7:9 is BEFORE Moses. Romans 7:14-25 is DURING the law and the Old Covenant. And Romans 7:5-6 is AFTER (notice they are not in the flesh as it is in the past.)
You are imposing your own theological opinion on Romans 7, while I quote what the verses actually say.

Are you saying you never sin?

Jesus does not take away all desire to commit sin. We still struggle against sin. We still must renew our minds, God does not do that for us. It is possible for a Christian to be saved, but in some respects also be conformed to the world.


Romans 12:2

And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.


I John 1

8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.


I John 2

1 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:

2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.
 

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You are imposing your own theological opinion on Romans 7, while I quote what the verses actually say.
Don't be foolish. CONTEXT! CONTEXT! CONTEXT! I didn't make up the context, you are blatantly disregarding what the apostle means. So I guess taking verses out of context you consider yourself still in the flesh (as opposed to verses 5-6 which clearly shows that was in the past before becoming born again), and still under the Old Covenant of the Law of Moses when they had to keep the Ten Commandments with a still intact sin nature!

You are just proving that some old dogs just cannot learns. But this old dog at 78 still stays open to the Spirit of the law and not the letter, and with a clean nature, not some old dog rolling around in his own old vomit.
 

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Don't be foolish. CONTEXT! CONTEXT! CONTEXT! I didn't make up the context, you are blatantly disregarding what the apostle means. So I guess taking verses out of context you consider yourself still in the flesh (as opposed to verses 5-6 which clearly shows that was in the past before becoming born again), and still under the Old Covenant of the Law of Moses when they had to keep the Ten Commandments with a still intact sin nature!

You are just proving that some old dogs just cannot learns. But this old dog at 78 still stays open to the Spirit of the law and not the letter, and with a clean nature, not some old dog rolling around in his own old vomit.
Get ahold of yourself. Calm down. You need not yell in all caps.

Your harsh insults and shouting prove you are still in the flesh and driven by the old sin nature.

2 Timothy 2:24

And the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all men, apt to teach, patient.
 

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Get ahold of yourself. Calm down. You need not yell in all caps.

Your harsh insults and shouting prove you are still in the flesh and driven by the old sin nature.

2 Timothy 2:24

And the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all men, apt to teach, patient.
I ALWAYS write CONTEXT! CONTEXT! CONTEXT! the exact same way to everybody. It is THAT important.
 

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I ALWAYS write CONTEXT! CONTEXT! CONTEXT! the exact same way to everybody. It is THAT important.
So you are always yelling and shouting, rather than calmly stating things.

The funny thing is — you do not understand context.
 
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When you seek God, He becomes near to you. The closer God comes to you, the more sinful you realize you are. You are in awe of the Majesty of God like never before and will say like the Apostle Paul says in Romans 7," there is nothing good in me". You will empty yourself, and deny yourself. Matthew 16:24. You will want to be even closer to the Grace and presence of Christ in His Holiness that you are now approaching, yet fearing the awesomeness of the power and Love. You belong to Jesus, He owns you. 1 Corinthians 6:19-20. Now glorify the name of the Lord in your body, which this treasure is in an earthen vessel to the Lord, so the power may be of God, and not in us..
2 Corinthians 4:7
 

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When Isaiah saw God in the Temple he said this.

Isaiah 6:5 -
“Woe is me, for I am ruined!
Because I am a man of unclean lips,
And I live among a people of unclean lips;
For my eyes have seen the King, the Lord of hosts.”

It will be the same for us as we approach His Holy presence, instant recognition of our sin nature, that we don't think about day by day, but God is with us. It is about God in our lives and nothing can come before God. Even so, He gives wonderful gifts to His children. Food on the table, roof over our head, warm place to sleep and blesses us with children to carry on with knowledge of the Lord that you teach them. Your life effects others in Christ, they see you, they watch and see if you makes mistakes like themselves. As you become more Holy, others see that and want that too. But you tremble when near. There's hymn you have heard, "Were you there when they crucified my Lord" and the last line says "It causes me to tremble, tremble, tremble".
 
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So you are always yelling and shouting, rather than calmly stating things.

The funny thing is — you do not understand context.
Paul tells us that our New Covenant is of the Spirit, not the Law. Romans 7:14-25 is what life was like under the Law. Do you really not know that?
 

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Paul tells us that our New Covenant is of the Spirit, not the Law. Romans 7:14-25 is what life was like under the Law. Do you really not know that?
Apostle Paul was describing the battle of the mind that every Christian endures. We Love the Lord and His saving Grace and the Holy Spirit within us, but still we live in a sinful world and the Adamic sin within us. The Apostle with the Power of his new nature could not overcome the battel himself. It is battle sometimes you are not aware that you are in, but it is there just the same, you cannot remove it. Try walking by a mirror and not looking at yourself. On the other hand, the word of God is a mirror, but most do not look at it, because it reveals the sins of mankind in us. Christians have this battle and this battle can be overcome because God sent Jesus to overcome it for us. It is a lifetime battle.
 

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Apostle Paul was describing the battle of the mind that every Christian endures. We Love the Lord and His saving Grace and the Holy Spirit within us, but still we live in a sinful world and the Adamic sin within us. The Apostle with the Power of his new nature could not overcome the battel himself. It is battle sometimes you are not aware that you are in, but it is there just the same, you cannot remove it. Try walking by a mirror and not looking at yourself. On the other hand, the word of God is a mirror, but most do not look at it, because it reveals the sins of mankind in us. Christians have this battle and this battle can be overcome because God sent Jesus to overcome it for us. It is a lifetime battle.
There are only two verses in Romans 7 that describe a Christian not under the Law, vs. 5-6.

Verse 9 is about before the law from Adam to Moses.

And Romans 7:10-25 concludes Paul's teaching on the Law of the Old Covenant.

Chapter 8 starts life in the Spirit.

Rocker, to not have the battle described in Romans 7:14-25 you must be born again of the Holy Spirit. Until then sin will seem like a lifetime battle. I wasn't born again for the first 30 years of my life going to church unsaved. So seek to become born again and no longer in the flesh, but of the Spirit of God. The life changing difference is amazing!
 
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