Do you hunger and thirst?

Rockerduck · May 23, 2026

1stCenturyLady said:
There are only two verses in Romans 7 that describe a Christian not under the Law, vs. 5-6.

Verse 9 is about before the law from Adam to Moses.

And Romans 7:10-25 concludes Paul's teaching on the Law of the Old Covenant.

Chapter 8 starts life in the Spirit.

Rocker, to not have the battle described in Romans 7:14-25 you must be born again of the Holy Spirit. Until then sin will seem like a lifetime battle. I wasn't born again for the first 30 years of my life going to church unsaved. So seek to become born again and no longer in the flesh, but of the Spirit of God.

Romans 7:15 - For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not, but what I hate, that do.

This is a conflict of two natures. the old and new. The Apostle Paul in this statement uses "I' in the first person 4 times. He is in conflict here.

Romans 7:16 - If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that it is good

When the old nature breaks the commandment (of coveting in this instance),then the new nature agrees that coveting is wrong. The Apostle Paul was not fighting the Law because he broke it. He was agreeing as a Christian, that the Law was good. Again "I' is used 3 times, first person.

Romans 7:17 - Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.

The Apostle Paul is still talking first person with the "I" and "me". " I" is the new nature, and the sin (old nature) is living in him (me).

1stCenturyLady · May 23, 2026

Rockerduck said:
Romans 7:15 - For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not, but what I hate, that do.

This is a conflict of two natures. the old and new. The Apostle Paul in this statement uses "I' in the first person 4 times. He is in conflict here.

Romans 7:16 - If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that it is good

When the old nature breaks the commandment (of coveting in this instance),then the new nature agrees that coveting is wrong. The Apostle Paul was not fighting the Law because he broke it. He was agreeing as a Christian, that the Law was good. Again "I' is used 3 times, first person.

Romans 7:17 - Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.

The Apostle Paul is still talking first person with the "I" and "me". " I" is the new nature, and the sin (old nature) is living in him (me).

You have to determine the context. Just because Paul uses "I" doesn't mean the context warrants it. Read verse 9. That is talking about before the law was given to Moses (since Adam) and then at the giving of the commandments to Moses. Paul uses "I." Was Paul immortal to be alive at the time of Adam? Read Romans 8:2 where Paul uses "me." What he is saying there frees him from Romans 7:14-25. The only verses in Romans 7 that speaks of a Christian's reality is 5-6.

Anchorite · May 23, 2026

1stCenturyLady said:
You have to determine the context. Just because Paul uses "I" doesn't mean the context warrants it. Read verse 9. That is talking about before the law was given to Moses (since Adam) and then at the giving of the commandments to Moses. Paul uses "I." Was Paul immortal to be alive at the time of Adam? Read Romans 8:2 where Paul uses "me." What he is saying there frees him from Romans 7:14-25. The only verses in Romans 7 that speaks of a Christian's reality is 5-6.

You are mangling the text and misconstruing the alleged context to make it align with your false theology. When Paul says “I” he means himself according to standard language rules.

This statement is so ridiculous, it is comical: “Just because Paul uses ‘I’ doesn’t mean the context warrants it.”

Rockerduck · May 24, 2026

1stCenturyLady said:
You have to determine the context. Just because Paul uses "I" doesn't mean the context warrants it. Read verse 9. That is talking about before the law was given to Moses (since Adam) and then at the giving of the commandments to Moses. Paul uses "I." Was Paul immortal to be alive at the time of Adam? Read Romans 8:2 where Paul uses "me." What he is saying there frees him from Romans 7:14-25. The only verses in Romans 7 that speaks of a Christian's reality is 5-6.

We have two natures, and that is what Paul is saying; that is all. Don't try to put your own theology into scripture. Read Got questions in this link instead of me posting scriptures, as this is another source.

Does a Christian have two natures? | GotQuestions.org

1stCenturyLady · May 24, 2026

Anchorite said:
You are mangling the text and misconstruing the alleged context to make it align with your false theology. When Paul says “I” he means himself according to standard language rules.

This statement is so ridiculous, it is comical: “Just because Paul uses ‘I’ doesn’t mean the context warrants it.”

I said that because as you read on two verses the "me" contradicts the "I" in Romans 7. He is talking about two different time periods. By you hanging on to the "I" in verses 14-25 you even miss his plea in verse 24 of a Savior! But he then we see He found Christ in verse 1-2 of the next chapter.

You prefer the struggle under the Old Testament when Jesus had not come yet to take away the struggle! This is why Jesus said to Nicodemus who lived under the Law as you do, "you must be born again." Only then do you realize there is no more struggling with the flesh. All desire to sin is gone. I can attest to that after 30 years in the church struggling with sin, and then on Feb. 9, 1977 in church on my knees, I had what some may call "a religious experience" and I felt a heaviness lift out of my body (the sin in my nature) and from then on all struggle to be righteous was gone.

Do you still relate more to the struggle of Romans 7:14-25 than you do to walking in the supernatural Spirit of God? The Spirit helps uncover the context and you can then know what the apostle meant, than the style of writing he chose. The apostles are EASTERN. We are WESTERN.

amigo de christo · May 24, 2026

Rockerduck said:
Apostle Paul was describing the battle of the mind that every Christian endures. We Love the Lord and His saving Grace and the Holy Spirit within us, but still we live in a sinful world and the Adamic sin within us. The Apostle with the Power of his new nature could not overcome the battel himself. It is battle sometimes you are not aware that you are in, but it is there just the same, you cannot remove it. Try walking by a mirror and not looking at yourself. On the other hand, the word of God is a mirror, but most do not look at it, because it reveals the sins of mankind in us. Christians have this battle and this battle can be overcome because God sent Jesus to overcome it for us. It is a lifetime battle.

OH YES my friend the very WORD of GOD is indeed as a mirror to the soul .
Showing us WHO WE NEED , exposing the very sin nature of our flesh .
The closer one is drawn to GOD the more they realize .........
OH LORD i am no b etter than any man and if it were not for THY SPIRIT
for THY CHRIST i would be but DOOMED .
Yet many folks when examing themselves make a real big mistake .
THEY compare themselves TO themselves and others . T HAT IS NOT THE STANDARD OF THE HOLY GOD .
WHEN seeing into the tabernacle of GOD
a sheep will soon begin to see ............OH me oh my there is no good in me , BUT THY SPIRIT O LORD GOD ALL MIGHTY .
And that i am no better than any one , but rather AM ONLY BETTER OFF due TO YOU , YOUR CHRIST , YOUR SPIRIT .

amigo de christo · May 24, 2026

Rockerduck said:
We have two natures, and that is what Paul is saying; that is all. Don't try to put your own theology into scripture. Read Got questions in this link instead of me posting scriptures, as this is another source.

Does a Christian have two natures? | GotQuestions.org

lets do a rephrase . WE , as in THE SHEEP have two natures . of the flesh , OF THE SPIRIT .
But all who know not CHRIST are of one nature . FLESH and at most religoin .
AND believe me when i say these TWO and CONTRARY THE ONE TO THE OTHER .
that ol flesh is gonna pop bad lustful thoughts into us . BUT woe unto he who follows the unctioning of the flesh
and not rather THE UNCTIONG OF THE SPIRIT by which THAT THOUGHT COULD have been BROUGHT to the obediance of CHRIST .
let us also keep that in mind too . for many walk after the flesh and NOT THE SPIRIT . not a good sign either .

RedLetterJoe · May 24, 2026

amigo de christo · May 24, 2026

RedLetterJoe said:

To the trenches one and all . And let all that draws breath praise and thank the Glorious Lord .

1stCenturyLady · May 24, 2026

Rockerduck said:
We have two natures, and that is what Paul is saying; that is all. Don't try to put your own theology into scripture. Read Got questions in this link instead of me posting scriptures, as this is another source.

Does a Christian have two natures? | GotQuestions.org

He used a Scripture out of context and is in error. He used Romans 7:20 from the old man. The old man has been crucified IF WE HAVE BEEN BORN AGAIN. Then we are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, IF the Spirit of God dwells within. And if someone does not have the Spirit of Christ he does not belong to Him.

We do not have two natures, only one. Either the sin nature we are born with, or the clean nature we have once washed, sanctified and justified. Those sins unto death have been taken away by Christ. Then as the Finisher of our faith, He starts work on maturing the fruit of the Spirit, but still from a clean human nature. John 15:3-4

cc: @amigo de christo

amigo de christo · May 24, 2026

1stCenturyLady said:
He used a Scripture out of context and is in error. He used Romans 7:20 from the old man. The old man has been crucified IF WE HAVE BEEN BORN AGAIN. Then we are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, IF the Spirit of God dwells within. And if someone does not have the Spirit of Christ he does not belong to Him.

We do not have two natures, only one. Either the sin nature we are born with, or the clean nature we have once washed, sanctified and justified. Those sins unto death have been taken away by Christ. Then as the Finisher of our faith, He starts work on maturing the fruit of the Spirit, but still from a clean human nature. John 15:3-4

cc: @amigo de christo

my near and dear friend if this were grenades you had hit close . but not enough .
close can be good if it be a grenade . but for TRUTH it has to be spot on the mark .
You are close though . but again close is not enough where TRUTH is concerned .
SO allow me to at least ask you a few questions . Now you can also ask me some .
THIS is the way to clear up things .
SO allow me to begin .
Have you ever , since coming to JESUS and beleiving
had a thought one , a temptation , a thought you knew was wrong and praise GOD you cast it out .
Have you ever had a thought contrary to what GOD would have called good .
lets begin with that . I will explain something after your answer .
i didnt ask if you acted out the thought . I only asked if you have ever had a thought , a lustful thought of any sort
SINCE coming to JESUS . lets just begin with this .

RedLetterJoe · May 24, 2026

amigo de christo said:
To the trenches one and all . And let all that draws breath praise and thank the Glorious Lord .

He is worthy of our praise!

amigo de christo · May 24, 2026

RedLetterJoe said:
He is worthy of our praise!

You spot ON RIGHT about that . TO HE we mere mortals OWE ALL .
Now what would you say , however , if i told you that many now praise and thank , cling too and hold too
another jesus .
Lets begin with that . i ask it for real good reason .

amigo de christo · May 24, 2026

RedLetterJoe said:
He is worthy of our praise!

perhaps i could have stated the question another way .
HOW do we KNOW we are praising , thanking and following and obeying THE CORRECT GOD and HIS JESUS .
this is not an at tack . DO not see it as such . Do not see it as an attack . It is but a question and i do ask it for real good reason .

RedLetterJoe · May 24, 2026

amigo de christo said:
perhaps i could have stated the question another way .
HOW do we KNOW we are praising , thanking and following and obeying THE CORRECT GOD and HIS JESUS .
this is not an at tack . DO not see it as such . Do not see it as an attack . It is but a question and i do ask it for real good reason .

As a dear brother of mine once observed, "Assume that like guns, all questions are loaded."
I'll pass. But thanks. I'm sure you can find someone else to go along, but that's not really my purpose for engaging here.
Be blessed Amigo.

amigo de christo · May 24, 2026

RedLetterJoe said:
As a dear brother of mine once observed, "Assume that like guns, all questions are loaded."
I'll pass. But thanks. I'm sure you can find someone else to go along, but that's not really my purpose for engaging here.
Be blessed Amigo.

so then why am i unafraid to be asked any question .
You my dear friend may ask me anything you like .
Seeing you are worried and or concerned i might be asking what is known as loaded questions .
Well , why dont you just ask me some questions . AND i dont care if they are loaded or not .
I AM HERE not to condemn but only to help . THERE is a real good reason i ask you such things .
ITS NOT to condemn anyone . NOT YOU , not even my own enemy .
And believe me i do have many enemies . BUT its not me who hates them
but they who hate me .

1stCenturyLady · May 24, 2026

amigo de christo said:
my near and dear friend if this were grenades you had hit close . but not enough .
close can be good if it be a grenade . but for TRUTH it has to be spot on the mark .
You are close though . but again close is not enough where TRUTH is concerned .
SO allow me to at least ask you a few questions . Now you can also ask me some .
THIS is the way to clear up things .
SO allow me to begin .
Have you ever , since coming to JESUS and beleiving
had a thought one , a temptation , a thought you knew was wrong and praise GOD you cast it out .
Have you ever had a thought contrary to what GOD would have called good .
lets begin with that . I will explain something after your answer .
i didnt ask if you acted out the thought . I only asked if you have ever had a thought , a lustful thought of any sort
SINCE coming to JESUS . lets just begin with this .

Not about sins unto death. My life took a drastic change when I was finally filled with the Spirit. Even my dreams were "Christian." I came across a Scripture that suddenly became clear recently and verified my experience back in 1977 when I was born again. It is Hebrews 10:2. Back then I actually felt SIN lift out of me.

"For the worshipers, once purified, would have had no more consciousness of sins."

A cleansed Christian does not have the sin nature inherited from Satan. We only have a clean nature, otherwise, we could not partake of the divine nature of God. 2 Pt. 1:2-4; 1 John 3:8-9

Also, read 1 John 3:21-22. Before 1977 not one prayer was ever answered. Since 1977 100% of my prayers are answered.

amigo de christo · May 24, 2026

1stCenturyLady said:
Not about sins unto death. My life took a drastic change when I was finally filled with the Spirit. Even my dreams were "Christian."

Of course i already know this as well .
But now lets talk about those sins ye say are not unto death .
FROM WHENCE and FROM WHERE do you think such thoughts arise . NOW WE BOTH KNOW IT AINT THE HOLY SPIRIT OF GOD .
so then from whence and from where do
these thoughts arise . And dont just say the devil and darkness . HE has to tempt us somehow .
Its through something that all are able to be tempted . AND WE BOTH KNOW IT AINT THE SPIRIT .
ITS THE FLESH sister . IT IS THE F LESH by which such thoughts arise .
TRUE OR FALSE , is what i say TRUE or false . Now feel free to answer . ITS Not an attack by me .

Rockerduck · May 24, 2026

1stCenturyLady said:
He used Romans 7:20 from the old man. The old man has been crucified IF WE HAVE BEEN BORN AGAIN. Then we are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, IF the Spirit of God dwells within. And if someone does not have the Spirit of Christ he does not belong to Him.

We do not have two natures, only one. Either the sin nature we are born with, or the clean nature we have once washed, sanctified and justified.

cc: @amigo de christo

So both you and I are born again from above. Jesus Christ is our mediator 1 Timothy 2:5. Christ Jesus lives to make intersession for us -
Hebrews 7:25. Our sins are forgiven through the Sacrifice of Jesus Christ on the Cross. So Jesus Christ deals with our sins continually before God and removes them, because no man can keep from sinning., Making intersession for us. So you don't need a mediator before God? What is Jesus doing as an intercessor for you?

1stCenturyLady · May 24, 2026

amigo de christo said:
Of course i already know this as well .
But now lets talk about those sins ye say are not unto death .
FROM WHENCE and FROM WHERE do you think such thoughts arise . NOW WE BOTH KNOW IT AINT THE HOLY SPIRIT OF GOD .
so then from whence and from where do
these thoughts arise . And dont just say the devil and darkness . HE has to tempt us somehow .
Its through something that all are able to be tempted . AND WE BOTH KNOW IT AINT THE SPIRIT .
ITS THE FLESH sister . IT IS THE F LESH by which such thoughts arise .
TRUE OR FALSE , is what i say TRUE or false . Now feel free to answer . ITS Not an attack by me .

They are not from a sin nature as you may think. They are from our human nature. Now, I'm not sure what you are referring to, but I have not willfully sinned since 1977.

Have you ever gone against your own conscience? If you have, that would be a willful sin. I haven't.

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