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Anchorite

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But false doctrines come out like OSAS just because a verse meant to be about the apostles only, they apply to themselves.
Your false doctrines are based on restricting the words of Jesus to just His apostles.

You arbitrarily say one set of verses is meant to be about the apostles, but another set of verses within the chapter are about us. You make up these divisions based on your own imagination, refuting the simple contextual meaning.

In John 6:37, Jesus says “all that the Father gives Me”, not “all the first 12 apostles that the Father gives Me”.

Your interpretation makes it seem like only the 12 apostles will by no means be cast out and are Once Saved, Always Saved.

John 6:37 All that the Father gives Me will come to Me, and the one who comes to Me I will by no means cast out.
 

1stCenturyLady

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That was before the high priestly of John 17. Those disciples could later be saved at Pentecost. Remember Jesus knew what was in man. John 2:25 -and had no need that anyone should testify of man, for He knew what was in man. I take the verse's literally. You seem to want to dispute verses over and over to fit something you want to believe. I'm out.
I'm not sure what you are getting at. What I want to know is the one and only true interpretation of verses that God inspired. And that is what I prayed for about ten years ago and also to wipe my mind of all doctrines of man. He started immediately, and it was fascinating.

R, have you ever studied the 7 letters to the churches in Revelation 2 and 3. Now that time has passed and we can look back and see church history we now see that they are three-fold prophecies. One, to the church itself. Two, to people throughout church history that match the type of Christian depicted. And most important, three, they span out church history in order. The last four are actual denominational types of churches. What is disturbing is Sardis. It is right after Thyatira, the Roman Catholic church which is the longest denomination. But what Jesus says to Sardis, the Reformation at the beginning is what I see. Jesus said of those first Reformation church fathers, "you have a name that you are alive, but you are dead." Meaning their new doctrines about sin are man made and can send people to hell who live by them. They were also told to bring the truths from the past (RCC) forward, and they didn't. Instead of the truth of 3,500 years about the two different types of sin in God's eyes, they changed the doctrine about sin to "sin is sin." So instead of God first taking away sin unto death out of our nature, and then finishing with sins not unto death committed unintentionally and continually being cleansed and forgiven, they preach Jesus cleanses all our "past, present and future willful sins." Most don't believe you can commit any sin unintentionally, but that is an Old Testament truth.
 

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I'm not sure what you are getting at. What I want to know is the one and only true interpretation of verses that God inspired. And that is what I prayed for about ten years ago and also to wipe my mind of all doctrines of man. He started immediately, and it was fascinating.

R, have you ever studied the 7 letters to the churches in Revelation 2 and 3. Now that time has passed and we can look back and see church history we now see that they are three-fold prophecies. One, to the church itself. Two, to people throughout church history that match the type of Christian depicted. And most important, three, they span out church history in order. The last four are actual denominational types of churches. What is disturbing is Sardis. It is right after Thyatira, the Roman Catholic church which is the longest denomination. But what Jesus says to Sardis, the Reformation at the beginning is what I see. Jesus said of those first Reformation church fathers, "you have a name that you are alive, but you are dead." Meaning their new doctrines about sin are man made and can send people to hell who live by them. They were also told to bring the truths from the past (RCC) forward, and they didn't. Instead of the truth of 3,500 years about the two different types of sin in God's eyes, they changed the doctrine about sin to "sin is sin." So instead of God first taking away sin unto death out of our nature, and then finishing with sins not unto death committed unintentionally and continually being cleansed and forgiven, they preach Jesus cleanses all our "past, present and future willful sins." Most don't believe you can commit any sin unintentionally, but that is an Old Testament truth.
I've been through the bible over and over and have college degree. I thoroughly know the subjects in Revelation. I heard every theory of every kind. You are too deep into it. Because the Lord told me last year that the book of Revelation was at its end. No more. No sense in beating a dead horse. You don't believe in two natures in a saved man, so be it. I'm out.
 

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That was before the high priestly of John 17. Those disciples could later be saved at Pentecost. Remember Jesus knew what was in man. John 2:25 -and had no need that anyone should testify of man, for He knew what was in man. I take the verse's literally. You seem to want to dispute verses over and over to fit something you want to believe. I'm out.
Do you believe 1 John 1:8 is about you and me, making us born again Christians uncleansed sinners?

8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
 

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I've been through the bible over and over and have college degree. I thoroughly know the subjects in Revelation. I heard every theory of every kind. You are too deep into it. Because the Lord told me last year that the book of Revelation was at its end. No more. No sense in beating a dead horse. You don't believe in two natures in a saved man, so be it. I'm out.
Do you mean Jesus has already come with his host of saints?