Why did Jesus pray to himself?

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PS95

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Brings up a good topic......Several times the Apostles refer to Yahweh as a God and Yeshua as a Lord. One God plus one Lord? What do they mean by this? They could have said there is only one God the Father and Son. Interesting that they called Yahweh.....God the Father but used Christ's name. Probably an old Jewish belief that Yahweh was so Holy that they were not allowed to write or say His name......but then they used Christ's name. Which would seem to suggest a higher reverence to Yahweh.

This verse also says.....from whom all things, and we exist for Him and by Jesus whom are all things. and we exist through Him. So what does this mean? Some might say it means that Yeshua created us for Yahweh.
What does through mean in the Greek?

Meaning of "through" in Ancient Greek​

In Ancient Greek, the word for "through" is the preposition διά (dia)
Basic meaning and usage

  • Primary sense: through — indicating movement or passage from one place to another, or across a space or time.
  • Extended senses: by, on account of, because of, for the sake of, throughout, completely
  • It can denote physical passage (e.g., διὰ τῆς θύρας — “through the door”), causal connection (e.g., διὰ τῆς πίστεως — “through faith”), or extent (e.g., διὰ πάντα — “through all”).
How does this word fit into this verse? on account of, because of, for the sake of, throughout, completely

Looking at the original text.....
to us one God the Father of whom the things all and we for him and one Lord Jesus Christ by whom the things all and we by Him.
Well this clears one thing up, the Greek word for through is not in this scripture.
We still have Yahweh referred to as God and Yeshua referred to as Lord.
I do not think it clears up who is the creator.
The only thing this verse suggests, this and other scriptures, is that there is a difference between Yahweh and Yeshua and Yahweh is senior. It also indicates the position of God is Yahweh's alone. But since Yeshua is a God, their intent was probably to define Yahweh as God supreme. What it does not say.....there is only one God, Yahweh and Yeshua.
look- I have multiple replies from wrangler- who chops up my replies into pieces and never answers a real question.. and I've got you replying when I told you I have no further comment since we have rodeo'd before and you never stop... and I've got 2 people I never spoke to before now posting to me about this. I'm not interested in this topic enough to want to debate it all day. I have heard these arguments since I was a kid! It goes nowhere. No one opens they eyes of the other one.- That is up to God alone and this type of ambitious bickering is not pleasing to God at all! I have said that yet nowhere seems to pay attention. That's my reply GH- give it all a rest. YOU CHOOSE TO COME to a CHRISTAIN WEBSITE and cause divisions over something that they accepted as truth to end further divisiveness almost 2 thousand years ago. Sorry, I can't respect that. You can disagree with the church but causing this divisiveness is wrong.
They worship God's Son and you don't-I suppose- you would call that idolatry---- before Him we will all stand.
 

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Like @MatthewG, I just go by what Scripture actually teaches. Every Gospel teaches the same thing - and only this thing about who Jesus is. All the Gospels proclaim Jesus is God’s Anointed. None teach Jesus is YHWH incarnate.
  • Matthew 1:1 (VOICE) This is the family history, the genealogy, of Jesus the Anointed, the coming King.
  • Mark 1:1 (VOICE). This is the beginning of the good news of Jesus, the Anointed One, the Liberating King, the Son of God.
  • Luke 1:4 I want you to know that you can fully rely on the things you have been taught about Jesus, God’s Anointed One.
  • John 20:31 (VOICE). These accounts are recorded so that you, too, might believe that Jesus is the Anointed, the Liberating King, the Son of God, because believing grants you the life He came to share.
I suggest you read Deuteronomy 18:15-18 to better understand who this Anointed One is in what Philip referred to when he found Nathanael and said to him, “We have found the one who Moses wrote about in the Law, and so did the prophets: Jesus of Nazareth, the son of Joseph.” John 1:45.
1. Just a man like you?
2. Or perhaps like "perfect" ?- Adam?
3. Pre-existence?
4. angel?
5. creature?
6. Living Word of God who became flesh?
 

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One HAS to go back to a "PREVIOUS Slice of eternity!" Where the "Lamb that was slain FROM the FOUNDATION of "the World?" (Meaning THIS CURRENT "SLICE of ETERNITY")

You will have to explain that. I know it is not biblical.....but I am interested in knowing what you think it is.

What are these spiritual sacrifices?

I understand the order of Melchizedek, but what has it to do with all this?

No one has the complete picture but what
are these dots?

I am sorry but you are all over the place with this with a lot of vague words.
I suggest shorter posts that we can talk about.
God Bless
 

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look- I have multiple replies from wrangler- who chops up my replies into pieces and never answers a real question.. and I've got you replying when I told you I have no further comment since we have rodeo'd before and you never stop... and I've got 2 people I never spoke to before now posting to me about this. I'm not interested in this topic enough to want to debate it all day. I have heard these arguments since I was a kid! It goes nowhere. No one opens they eyes of the other one.- That is up to God alone and this type of ambitious bickering is not pleasing to God at all! I have said that yet nowhere seems to pay attention. That's my reply GH- give it all a rest. YOU CHOOSE TO COME to a CHRISTAIN WEBSITE and cause divisions over something that they accepted as truth to end further divisiveness almost 2 thousand years ago. Sorry, I can't respect that. You can disagree with the church but causing this divisiveness is wrong.
They worship God's Son and you don't-I suppose- you would call that idolatry---- before Him we will all stand.

Where do you get I do not worship Yeshua.
And I am not here to divide, I am here to unite in truth.
 

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@PS95 I keep checking here, on occasion. :Broadly: But I would like a shot at all your 'takes' on the 8 verses you've presented to GH. But not, all of them, in one post. I have different problems with different 'people and verses', just like you have been having. :pfite: In this post I need to first elaborate as to how I also have a problem with when/how theologians capitalize words like lord and holy and spirit and christ. So, when I quote a verse and place a lower and upper case lL hH sS cC at the front of the word, it will be because I disagree with their use of capitals, and will bold the word, as I believe it should be for MY OPINION here.

Heb 12:9 "....God is the FATHER of ALL spirits...." and the Holy Spirit births them ALL....good, bad, man, animal.

The Greek word for "christ" is 55497 christos which 'literally' defined means "anointed". Jesus was born with AN "anointed" human spirit which was holy (or sinless). That spirit was IN Him and that same holy/sinless spirit is IN US after our human birthed spirit is anointed/smeared. But it is not The Holy Spirit of God. It is a human spirit which was 'born OF/FROM The Holy Spirit of God. And it is subsequently A holy spirit after The Holy Spirit of God has smeared/anointed it, to be like the anointed spirit The Holy Spirit birthed Jesus with.

vs 16 "The veil" isn't lifted SO we'll turn to the Lord, but AFTER. God will not lift "the veil" from our minds prematurely to see truth before we're even ready or able to walk in it...eg obey. The Lord taught parables to hide the truth from those not ready to embrace IT, and yet, at the same time the parable revealed truth to those who were ready.

vs 18 The same "the lord" or 'lordship anointing', led "the spirit" in Jesus, to walk NOT after His sinful natured "Word became flesh" body. (Rom. 8:9) This leading transformed the FLESH/body of Jesus to manifest the glory or light of glory of the ONE triune God which were 'the father, the word, and the holy spirit. Three which are triunely defined as 3 individual ones, making up one GOD. A GOD who is now the spirit Father and the FLESH word and the HOLY spirit. IOW 2/3 spirit 1/3 flesh. FLESH with 'a holy anointed spirit' from GOD.

COL 1:27 To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Cchrist IN you, the hope of glory: (the 'anointed spirit' leading in triune you)

2CO 3:18 And we all, with unveiled face, beholding the glory of the Lord, are being changed (transformed/metamorphosed into his likeness from one degree of glory to another; for this comes from the Llord (lordship)who is the Sspirit (the anointed/christos spirit).

I am a triune being. Without a body I am not a HUMAN being. Without a functioning brain/soul I am a HUMAN been. Without a spirit I am a dead man. In hades my soul sleeps and my body returns to dust (unless embalmed hmmm?). But our (mankind's unsaved) eternal 'human spirit' or (our) (mankind's) born again (from GOD) holy spirits, ALL return to GOD from whence THEY (saved or unsaved spirits )came.

HEB 12:9 Besides this, we have had earthly fathers to discipline us and we respected them. Shall WE not much more be subject to the Father of spirits and live?

A "WE" verse which can only be referring to those with a holy anointed/smeared spirit which was anointed/smeared BY The Holy Spirit of God REbirthing you into His Kingdom.

I'll stop with these two verses @PS95. And in all honesty, I don't have the interest or time to deal with anyone but you. I hope we can dialogue, but I know my 77 year old theological opinion, is out there. :eek:

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Hello again- Lets see-
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Hebrews 12:9-Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us, and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live?
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This just means-
Just as we we had fleshly fathers who were fathers of our flesh (whom we respected when they disciplined us)- we also have a heavenly Father who is the Father of our spirits who disciplines us.

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Ephesians 4---1I, therefore, the prisoner of the Lord, beseech you to walk worthy of the calling with which you were called, 2with all lowliness and gentleness, with longsuffering, bearing with one another in love, 3endeavoring to keep the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace. 4There is one body and one Spirit, just as you were called in one hope of your calling; 5one Lord, one faith, one baptism; 6one God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.
 

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Where do you get I do not worship Yeshua.
And I am not here to divide, I am here to unite in truth.
right- sorry -
You worship 3 Gods.
Trins worship 3 persons in one God.


You believe that God is one. You do well; the demons also believe, and shudder. 20But are you willing to recognize, you foolish fellow, that faith without works is useless? - James 2:19-20
 

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right- sorry -
You worship 3 Gods.
Trins worship 3 persons in one God.


You believe that God is one. You do well; the demons also believe, and shudder. 20But are you willing to recognize, you foolish fellow, that faith without works is useless? - James 2:19-20

I know all that.
Enough said before we tick off the mods.
 

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One HAS to go back to a "PREVIOUS Slice of eternity!" Where the "Lamb that was slain FROM the FOUNDATION of "the World?" (Meaning THIS CURRENT "SLICE of ETERNITY")
You will have to explain that. I know it is not biblical.....but I am interested in knowing what you think it is.
I shall strive in answering each question like this:
Genesis 1:
In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
Now we all know the earth is much MUCH older than the so "assumed and declared" age of some 6,000 years! Implying Eternity is has been around much MUCH longer than 6,000 er so years!
Genesis 1:
2 And the earth BECAME without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
Indicative that this Earth "suffered" from an "Event/JUDGEMENT" that was in a PRIOR "slice of Eternity" BEFORE this "slice" we are currently in!

Jeremiah 4:
22 For my people is foolish, they have not known me; they are sottish children, and they have none understanding: they are wise to do evil, but to do good they have no knowledge.
23 I beheld the earth, and, lo, it was without form, and void; and the heavens, and they had no light.
24 I beheld the mountains, and, lo, they trembled, and all the hills moved lightly. (a HUMONGOUS "TECTONIC SHIFT!" Probably when dinosaurs dies off)
25 I beheld, and, lo, there was no man, and all the birds of the heavens were fled.
(NOT EVEN NOAH, NOR HIS FAMILY!)
26 I beheld, and, lo, the fruitful place was a wilderness, and all the cities thereof were broken down at the presence of the Lord, and by his fierce anger. (this is more relevant concerning "Greek Mythology", than dinosaurs. Which indicates yet another "slice of eternity" even PRIOR to Greek Mythology!)
27 For thus hath the Lord said, The whole land shall be desolate; YET, I will not make a FULL end. (HENCE? This CURRENT "slice of ETERNITY!"
Again! Indicative CONCERNING a "JUDGEMENT Pronounced and APPLIED to this earth, or planet" PRIOR to this CURRENT "slice of ETERNITY!"
2 Peter 3:
5 For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:
6 Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished: (Prior to this "slice of ETERNITY)
(This CURRENT "slice of ETERNITY)

7 But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the SAME word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.

Question:
"What are these spiritual sacrifices?"
Answer:
I "could" tell you what or which "spiritual sacrifice" "I" made!
But I can assure you it won't be the same in what or how many are required for, or by ANYONE else!
But when GOD is satisfied with 'em?
"Trust me!"
HE'LL "RING YOUR AGAPEO TELEPHONE OFF THE HOOK!" UNTIL?...........YOU ANSWER!

Or?.......CALAMITY UPON CALAMITY will follow you around all your days!
Until, or UNLESS you LOOK up in the Heavens and ask?:
"How the heck did I end up in THIS mess?!" (HINT) Look at the line just below "Trust me!"

Question:
"I understand the order of Melchizedek, but what has it to do with all this?"
Answer:
Contrary to popular "practices and beliefs?"
Being, or becoming a Priest, or candidate OF this "FOREVER PRIESTHOOD?"
The road TO the "Strait and Narrow" gate DOESN'T END at the time, or point of conversion "FORWARDS to ETERNITY?" As there ARE "dots to be connected" that takes one BACK to PRIOR "slices of eternity!"
As I've shown here. Which MAKES for a much MORE FULLER PICTURE, than what is, and has been taught! Which also "includes" the "Key of David" which gives a more "in depth UNDERSTANDING!"

Question:
"No one has the complete picture but what are these dots?"
Answer:
They are my poor interpretation of explaining everything I've responded to in answering yours, or anyone else's queries.

Ya see? I HAD started out in doing "mail in college courses" I purchased from M.B.I. (Moody Bible Institute) in a further educating of myself! That is?
UNTIL?.....An UNSEEN Hand grabbed me by the short hairs on the back of my neck. And said:
"You've been doing things YOUR way!"....."TOO LONG!"
"NOW?"....."YOU'RE GONNA DO THINGS "MY WAY!" (He KNOWS how to gain one's ATTENTION!.....KNOWS which buttons to push too!)
Furthermore?
"Do you want THEM to "teach you?"
"Or ME!"

This occurred some 40+ years ago! You might even consider it a "CRAM COURSE" in "Higher Spiritual Perfecting!"
I COULD tell ya what all was involved! But, as I stated before?
a) Everyone's different? aka "different STROKES for DIFFERENT folks!" (:musicn2:and so on and so on and scooby dooby doooobie!....BOOO......SHA SHA! :musicn2: "WE GOTTA LIVE TOGETHER!" :musicn2: "I......I...uh I,I.....am everyday people!")

b) You wouldn't believe me if I DID tell ya!
And?
c)....Has EVERYTHING to do with the WAR between "Sons of Light" verses "sons of darkness!"
Which incidentally? Ya won't find in "canonized" scripture!
YET?.......It's OUT there!



 

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One HAS to go back to a "PREVIOUS Slice of eternity!" Where the "Lamb that was slain FROM the FOUNDATION of "the World?" (Meaning THIS CURRENT "SLICE of ETERNITY")

I shall strive in answering each question like this:
Genesis 1:
In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
Now we all know the earth is much MUCH older than the so "assumed and declared" age of some 6,000 years! Implying Eternity is has been around much MUCH longer than 6,000 er so years!
Genesis 1:
2 And the earth BECAME without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
Indicative that this Earth "suffered" from an "Event/JUDGEMENT" that was in a PRIOR "slice of Eternity" BEFORE this "slice" we are currently in!

Jeremiah 4:
22 For my people is foolish, they have not known me; they are sottish children, and they have none understanding: they are wise to do evil, but to do good they have no knowledge.
23 I beheld the earth, and, lo, it was without form, and void; and the heavens, and they had no light.
24 I beheld the mountains, and, lo, they trembled, and all the hills moved lightly. (a HUMONGOUS "TECTONIC SHIFT!" Probably when dinosaurs dies off)
25 I beheld, and, lo, there was no man, and all the birds of the heavens were fled.
(NOT EVEN NOAH, NOR HIS FAMILY!)
26 I beheld, and, lo, the fruitful place was a wilderness, and all the cities thereof were broken down at the presence of the Lord, and by his fierce anger. (this is more relevant concerning "Greek Mythology", than dinosaurs. Which indicates yet another "slice of eternity" even PRIOR to Greek Mythology!)
27 For thus hath the Lord said, The whole land shall be desolate; YET, I will not make a FULL end. (HENCE? This CURRENT "slice of ETERNITY!"
Again! Indicative CONCERNING a "JUDGEMENT Pronounced and APPLIED to this earth, or planet" PRIOR to this CURRENT "slice of ETERNITY!"
2 Peter 3:
5 For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:
6 Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished: (Prior to this "slice of ETERNITY)
(This CURRENT "slice of ETERNITY)

7 But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the SAME word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.

Question:
"What are these spiritual sacrifices?"
Answer:
I "could" tell you what or which "spiritual sacrifice" "I" made!
But I can assure you it won't be the same in what or how many are required for, or by ANYONE else!
But when GOD is satisfied with 'em?
"Trust me!"
HE'LL "RING YOUR AGAPEO TELEPHONE OFF THE HOOK!" UNTIL?...........YOU ANSWER!

Or?.......CALAMITY UPON CALAMITY will follow you around all your days!
Until, or UNLESS you LOOK up in the Heavens and ask?:
"How the heck did I end up in THIS mess?!" (HINT) Look at the line just below "Trust me!"

Question:
"I understand the order of Melchizedek, but what has it to do with all this?"
Answer:
Contrary to popular "practices and beliefs?"
Being, or becoming a Priest, or candidate OF this "FOREVER PRIESTHOOD?"
The road TO the "Strait and Narrow" gate DOESN'T END at the time, or point of conversion "FORWARDS to ETERNITY?" As there ARE "dots to be connected" that takes one BACK to PRIOR "slices of eternity!"
As I've shown here. Which MAKES for a much MORE FULLER PICTURE, than what is, and has been taught! Which also "includes" the "Key of David" which gives a more "in depth UNDERSTANDING!"

Question:
"No one has the complete picture but what are these dots?"
Answer:
They are my poor interpretation of explaining everything I've responded to in answering yours, or anyone else's queries.

Ya see? I HAD started out in doing "mail in college courses" I purchased from M.B.I. (Moody Bible Institute) in a further educating of myself! That is?
UNTIL?.....An UNSEEN Hand grabbed me by the short hairs on the back of my neck. And said:
"You've been doing things YOUR way!"....."TOO LONG!"
"NOW?"....."YOU'RE GONNA DO THINGS "MY WAY!" (He KNOWS how to gain one's ATTENTION!.....KNOWS which buttons to push too!)
Furthermore?
"Do you want THEM to "teach you?"
"Or ME!"

This occurred some 40+ years ago! You might even consider it a "CRAM COURSE" in "Higher Spiritual Perfecting!"
I COULD tell ya what all was involved! But, as I stated before?
a) Everyone's different? aka "different STROKES for DIFFERENT folks!" (:musicn2:and so on and so on and scooby dooby doooobie!....BOOO......SHA SHA! :musicn2: "WE GOTTA LIVE TOGETHER!" :musicn2: "I......I...uh I,I.....am everyday people!")

b) You wouldn't believe me if I DID tell ya!
And?
c)....Has EVERYTHING to do with the WAR between "Sons of Light" verses "sons of darkness!"
Which incidentally? Ya won't find in "canonized" scripture!
YET?.......It's OUT there!

I believe you have a lot going on in your head.
Certainly reading a lot between the lines.
Exploring ideas.
Nothing wrong with that.
 
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Wrangler- geez This is your reply to what I wrote to you?? God and Lord are titles.
On that, we agree. (Let’s take a moment to enjoy this rare moment of solidarity). :p

Evidently, you deny the title with all capital—LORD is reserved for Jesus’ God, YHWH, who Jesus says is the only true God. One wonders what that means for the trinitarian god?
 

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1. Just a man like you?
2. Or perhaps like "perfect" ?- Adam?
3. Pre-existence?
4. angel?
5. creature?
6. Living Word of God who became flesh?
A series of questions is what makes such thread long, which you seem not to prefer. Another thread, perhaps. No need to hijack this thread. I believe we agree that Jesus didn’t pray to himself.
 

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Matthew 26:39
And going a little farther he fell on his face and prayed, saying, “My Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me; nevertheless, not as I will, but as you will.”

Jesus did NOT pray to Himself! He prayed to the Father while clothed in mortal flesh and blood where He was about to endure unimaginable suffering in the flesh. Of course He prayed for help from His Father, still acknowledging He would endure the cup of wrath that was the will of the Father, and ordained for Him, but it was going to be very excruciating for Him. So much so that Christ sweat as drops of blood while praying.
 
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Rather than ask what you know deep down inside, just show us where a Scripture contradicts itself; where it says there is one God, the Father at 1 Cor 8:6 but this other verse says Jesus is God.
Please stop dissecting my posts into multiples when replying. It's such a nuisance for me. AND never ever tell me what is deep inside of me. You have no clue nor do you anything about me. Nor do you have any idea how the good Lord helps those who come to Him.

Why are you avoiding the questions? Coward? You argue with believers here- defended the JWs constantly-------even when they stole food from the poor and lied telling members it was a gift from HQ- when it was actually from Trump to be given to the the needy. they tossed out his letter inside each box .. SO LETS hear it big shot---who do YOU say He is???

1. Just a man like you?
2. Or perhaps like "perfect" ?- Adam?
3. a heavenly Pre-existence?
4. angel?
5. creature?
6. Living Word of God who became flesh?



Think you can be honest this time--- or should I go back in time and show everyone what you have said?
 

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A series of questions is what makes such thread long, which you seem not to prefer. Another thread, perhaps. No need to hijack this thread. I believe we agree that Jesus didn’t pray to himself.
Suddenly you are concerned for my preferences? HAHAHA I'm in agreement with the scriptures. YOU are not.
Did God pray to Himself? No.
Jesus is God's unique SON. He was on the earth praying to His Father in heaven.
His mother was Mary and His Father is God.
So who do you say He is?
I say what the scriptures say- The Word was with God and was God.
He was in the beginning with God before anything was created. Nothing was created without Him.
He came down from heaven-
The Word became flesh. God with us.
They called him Jesus- meaning (YHWH is salvation)
He humbled Himself, emptied Himself and became a servant.
The fullness of God dwelt within Him.
God was in Christ reconciling Himself to us.
Great is the mystery of godliness....
 

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Please stop dissecting my posts into multiples when replying.
You are a controlling sort, frequently dictating how others (me) conduct themselves for your convenience. What a sense of entitlement! Not very Christ like. Instead of being all things to all people, you want all people to be all things you prefer.

All this as a distraction from the point of the thread. Sad.
 

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Suddenly you are concerned for my preferences?
No. I’m concerned about you apparent lack of self-awareness in contributing to what you claim you don’t want.

If you start another thread, I’ll be happy to answer your specific questions.
 

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Hello again- Lets see-
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Hebrews 12:9-Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us, and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live?
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This just means-
Just as we we had fleshly fathers who were fathers of our flesh (whom we respected when they disciplined us)- we also have a heavenly Father who is the Father of our spirits who disciplines us.
Yes, hello again back to you also bro. :woohoo!:

I would agree, but which part of the triune God 'fathers' the spirit? Is it the Father, the Son or is it the Holy Spirit?

JOH 3:6* That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

I believe it is the Holy Spirit of God, which does the work of fathering the spirits of all mankind before human birth.

Of note in the verse above, the Gr word 1537 ek; OUT, is left out in this verse two times according to Gr. Interlinear bibles. And the verse should be more correctly interpreted as;

That which is born 'OUT of the flesh' is flesh, and that which is born 'OUT of the SPIRIT is spirit.
I take that to mean human spirits.
Online Greek interlinear; https://www.scripture4all.org/OnlineInterlinear/NTpdf/joh3.pdf

So, I believe the Holy Spirit of God, birthed the holy spirit of christos/anointing, which was in the flesh body of Jesus before His birth.

The same thing is true in; Luke 1:35."that holy thing which shall be born (EK/out) of thee shall be called the Son of God.
And in this Luke verse once again the "holy thing" to be born out of Mary was going to be a spirit which was the 'son of God'. Not his flesh, because that was what the spirit WORD became when it gave up equality with GOD which was "spirit".

JOH 4:24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

You seem to have posted an understanding here that I don't see others even alluding to. Do you have any problems at this point?
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Ephesians 4---1I, therefore, the prisoner of the Lord, beseech you to walk worthy of the calling with which you were called, 2with all lowliness and gentleness, with longsuffering, bearing with one another in love, 3endeavoring to keep the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace. 4There is one body and one Spirit, just as you were called in one hope of your calling; 5one Lord, one faith, one baptism; 6one God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.
This verse is one I have a problem with concerning the capitalization of "Spirit" 2x. That would make one believe we're talking about the Holy Spirit of the triune God. And not the holy christos/anointed spirit which was in the "one body of Jesus. A 'holy spirit' which we receive after we receive the "calling" with which we were "called" to be born again into the "many membered" but singular spiritual body of the "my Lord and my God" Jesus. We become part of that many membered singular spiritual body when we have christos/anointed spirits. That is what our spirits become, after our unsaved human spirits become "you must be born again." And that happens via an anointing/smearing FROM The Holy Spirit upon our spirit. but it is not an anointing WITH The Holy Spirit of God.

SRN 5547 Christos: anointed,

As for the "one baptism" we are not talking about a single baptism of repentance from the Father, nor a single baptism of water symbolizing a turning from sin to Jesus for sin cleansing, nor a single baptism FROM the Holy Spirit for the supernatural power of God to come UPON us and work through us for others with gifts only God can do.

The "ONE BAPTISM" which all who will be born again must accept, Is the baptism of Jesus death on the cross, which still had not happened yet, even in;

LUK 12:50* But I have a baptism to be baptized with; and how am I straitened till it be accomplished!

Thoughts so far?
 

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Yes, hello again back to you also bro. :woohoo!:

I would agree, but which part of the triune God 'fathers' the spirit? Is it the Father, the Son or is it the Holy Spirit?

JOH 3:6* That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

I believe it is the Holy Spirit of God, which does the work of fathering the spirits of all mankind before human birth.

Of note in the verse above, the Gr word 1537 ek; OUT, is left out in this verse two times according to Gr. Interlinear bibles. And the verse should be more correctly interpreted as;

That which is born 'OUT of the flesh' is flesh, and that which is born 'OUT of the SPIRIT is spirit.
I take that to mean human spirits.
Online Greek interlinear; https://www.scripture4all.org/OnlineInterlinear/NTpdf/joh3.pdf

So, I believe the Holy Spirit of God, birthed the holy spirit of christos/anointing, which was in the flesh body of Jesus before His birth.

The same thing is true in; Luke 1:35."that holy thing which shall be born (EK/out) of thee shall be called the Son of God.
And in this Luke verse once again the "holy thing" to be born out of Mary was going to be a spirit which was the 'son of God'. Not his flesh, because that was what the spirit WORD became when it gave up equality with GOD which was "spirit".

JOH 4:24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

You seem to have posted an understanding here that I don't see others even alluding to. Do you have any problems at this point?

This verse is one I have a problem with concerning the capitalization of "Spirit" 2x. That would make one believe we're talking about the Holy Spirit of the triune God. And not the holy christos/anointed spirit which was in the "one body of Jesus. A 'holy spirit' which we receive after we receive the "calling" with which we were "called" to be born again into the "many membered" but singular spiritual body of the "my Lord and my God" Jesus. We become part of that many membered singular spiritual body when we have christos/anointed spirits. That is what our spirits become, after our unsaved human spirits become "you must be born again." And that happens via an anointing/smearing FROM The Holy Spirit upon our spirit. but it is not an anointing WITH The Holy Spirit of God.

SRN 5547 Christos: anointed,

As for the "one baptism" we are not talking about a single baptism of repentance from the Father, nor a single baptism of water symbolizing a turning from sin to Jesus for sin cleansing, nor a single baptism FROM the Holy Spirit for the supernatural power of God to come UPON us and work through us for others with gifts only God can do.

The "ONE BAPTISM" which all who will be born again must accept, Is the baptism of Jesus death on the cross, which still had not happened yet, even in;

LUK 12:50* But I have a baptism to be baptized with; and how am I straitened till it be accomplished!

Thoughts so far?
It's all very interesting. Thank you
 

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You are right about long drawn out debates and this is incorrect, a false trinitarian claim. What is interchangeable is capital-LORD with God in Scripture. There are dozens of lowercase lord's and Jesus is one.

Also, there are times the LORD God is referred to as a lord but that is only confusing if you want it to be. The use of the word "lord" might be like our use of the word sir, denoting respect for the person's position and authority. It doesn't mean there is only one "sir" on Earth. 1 COR 8:6 is a hierarchical expression with nothing mystical or contradictory about it, like saying for us there is one President, one Governor and one Mayor.
Except that the very clear implication of 1 Cor. 8:6, based on sound reasoning, is that the one who is called Lord has been in existence for as long as the one who is called God. And that is most likely Paul’s expansion of the Shema (Deut. 6:4).
 
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