Why did Jesus pray to himself?

Wrangler said:

Like @MatthewG, I just go by what Scripture actually teaches. Every Gospel teaches the same thing - and only this thing about who Jesus is. All the Gospels proclaim Jesus is God’s Anointed. None teach Jesus is YHWH incarnate.

• Matthew 1:1 (VOICE) This is the family history, the genealogy, of Jesus the Anointed, the coming King.
• Mark 1:1 (VOICE). This is the beginning of the good news of Jesus, the Anointed One, the Liberating King, the Son of God.
• Luke 1:4 I want you to know that you can fully rely on the things you have been taught about Jesus, God’s Anointed One.
• John 20:31 (VOICE). These accounts are recorded so that you, too, might believe that Jesus is the Anointed, the Liberating King, the Son of God, because believing grants you the life He came to share.

I suggest you read Deuteronomy 18:15-18 to better understand who this Anointed One is in what Philip referred to when he found Nathanael and said to him, “We have found the one who Moses wrote about in the Law, and so did the prophets: Jesus of Nazareth, the son of Joseph.” John 1:45.

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I’m surprised you didn’t acknowledge this post @PS95. The Gospels teach plainly who Jesus is.

Did you read Deuteronomy in light of John 1:45?

Grailhunter said:

I believe you have a lot going on in your head.

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You got THAT right "Slim n Shady!" (just kiddin' ya there)

Grailhunter said:

Certainly reading a lot between the lines.

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Even in the "canonized" Bible IS (how can I say) "PREGNANT" with what there is to be "REVEALED!"

Grailhunter said:

Exploring ideas.

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Through MUCH and MANY "testings of the spirits?" where it "feels" there are as many "slippery slopes" going uphill? As WELL as "downhill?" (because there are!)
One starts to "grasp" onto, as well as understand why our brains are only 7% in use!
Meaning There's a LOT TO "explore!"
Yet the "rewards" given? (very MUCH like the parable of the talents) are so MUCH worth "THE INVESTINGS!"
John 14:2
In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.

Grailhunter said:

Nothing wrong with that.

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Thank YOU for your understanding!
May GOD "Bless and Keep" you!
And TAKE you a half hour before the devil realizes you died!
As you can probably tell?
GOD DOES have (sometimes?) A VERY Humorous side!
"Trek ON Pilgrim!"
"Trek ON!"
Many "a mystery" to unravel.
MANY!

NayborBear said:

You got THAT right "Slim n Shady!" (just kiddin' ya there)

Even in the "canonized" Bible IS (how can I say) "PREGNANT" with what there is to be "REVEALED!"

Through MUCH and MANY "testings of the spirits?" where it "feels" there are as many "slippery slopes" going uphill? As WELL as "downhill?" (because there are!)
One starts to "grasp" onto, as well as understand why our brains are only 7% in use!
Meaning There's a LOT TO "explore!"
Yet the "rewards" given? (very MUCH like the parable of the talents) are so MUCH worth "THE INVESTINGS!"
John 14:2
In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.

Thank YOU for your understanding!
May GOD "Bless and Keep" you!
And TAKE you a half hour before the devil realizes you died!
As you can probably tell?
GOD DOES have (sometimes?) A VERY Humorous side!
"Trek ON Pilgrim!"
"Trek ON!"
Many "a mystery" to unravel.
MANY!

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For this reason I say to you, her sins, which are many, have been forgiven, for she loved much; but he who is forgiven little, loves little.

PS95 said:

It's all very interesting. Thank you

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Your response is also very interesting.....and yet, NOT really. But mine may just be too much information.
So, maybe I need to change things up a bit. Can you answer two simple questions?

Do you believe there are two holy spirits in the bible when talking about "God" and the spirit in "Jesus the Christ (christ IMO)"?

What do you believe the "one baptism" of Eph 4 refers to?

LUK 12:50* But I have a baptism to be baptized with; and how am I straitened till it be accomplished!

I simply have to also ask; are you a prayer language talking believer (eg. Pentecostal, Charismatic)?

Wrangler said:

I’m surprised you didn’t acknowledge this post @PS95. The Gospels teach plainly who Jesus is.

Did you read Deuteronomy in light of John 1:45?

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I see, Wrangler- you refuse to answer my basic questions-- and expect to convince me that Jesus was merely a prophet like Moses and that He told lies. I can't take a single thing you say seriously. Don't you know that? Yet, you repeatedly post to me.
Your JW family has clearly screwed with your mind. You would be shunned if you stood up for Christ. You do know that they still see you as a potential convert which is THE only reason you are not shunned. DO YOU REALIZE THAT?

and, no I am not starting a thread just for you. this thread is enough of this nonsense.

Hillsage said:

Your response is also very interesting.....and yet, NOT really. But mine may just be too much information.
So, maybe I need to change things up a bit. Can you answer two simple questions?

Do you believe there are two holy spirits in the bible when talking about "God" and the spirit in "Jesus the Christ (christ IMO)"?

What do you believe the "one baptism" of Eph 4 refers to?

LUK 12:50* But I have a baptism to be baptized with; and how am I straitened till it be accomplished!

I simply have to also ask; are you a prayer language talking believer (eg. Pentecostal, Charismatic)?

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. As to your 2 questions-

Q1 Do I believe there are 2 Holy Spirits?

A1-- No I don't. Scripture teaches us that God is one & the Holy Spirit is of God ( when Ananias and Saphira lied- they lied to the Holy Spirit - God- Acts). The Spirit of Christ is used interchangeable with the Spirit of God. Scripture says "God was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself"
I believe there is one faith, one baptism, One hope, One Spirit, One God, one Lord, one flock, one shepherd- etc- don't you?

Ephesians 4-5 4There is one body and one Spirit, just as also you were called in one hope of your calling; 5one Lord, one faith, one baptism, 6one God and Father of all who is over all and through all and in all.
+John 10:16

I believe as the scriptures teach that God lives in us/Christ lives in us/HS lives in us. Yet, this is not 3 different Spirits in us, but is of God .
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Q2 What do you believe the "one baptism" of Eph 4 refers to?
Luke 12:50* But I have a baptism to be baptized with; and how am I straitened till it be accomplished!

A2- The one baptism in Ephesians is our baptism into Christ.
I think R0 6:1-4 explains it well-

1What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound? 2God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein? 3Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death? 4Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.

3. I am not pentecostal or charismatic if you mean by a denomination, but I do not discount any gifts nor forbid tongues, but should be used properly.

PS95 said:

I see, Wrangler- you refuse to answer my basic questions

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Untrue. I did answer your basic question of who Jesus is. I didn’t take the time to address various follow up questions out of concern for hijacking the thread.

PS95 said:

expect to convince me that Jesus was merely a prophet like Moses

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I take that you did, in fact, read Deuteronomy 18:15-18 in light of John 1:45.

Sad appeal to only, merely and just AS IF edifies.

• Trump is an American
• Trump is just an American
• Trump is merely an American
• Trump is only an American

Sometimes, I almost don’t sense hostility in your posts. Keep up the good work.

Wrangler said:

Untrue. I did answer your basic question of who Jesus is. I didn’t take the time to address various follow up questions out of concern for hijacking the thread.


I take that you did, in fact, read Deuteronomy 18:15-18 in light of John 1:45.

Sad appeal to only, merely and just AS IF edifies.

• Trump is an American
• Trump is just an American
• Trump is merely an American
• Trump is only an American

Sometimes, I almost don’t sense hostility in your posts. Keep up the good work.

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Do you own a mirror? lol my goodness you are something. If you are afraid to answer- fine. I already know your answers anyway.
That post was for the rest here.
Sure- I read your verses just for you- Nothing I hadn't already known. How on earth that means something big to you is for only you to entertain.
those questions were for the benefit of others here to help them understand what they are dealing with when speaking to you. I don't play nice with those who tag themselves as Christians who are deceivers. You sir, are a coward.

Our time is up.

TitusTwoWife said:

@Wrangler
@PS95

I'm sorry to see you two at odds since I know both of you have demonstrated each of your own admirable qualities. Please consider forgiving each other, burying the hatchet and showing grace.

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@TitusTwoWife is very wise. I forgive you @PS95.

RepentingChristian said:

But God is Jesus and Jesus is God. They are one-in-the-same. or so I'm told. Jesus and the Holy Spirit are both just God putting on a different outfit, so to speak. All three have eternally existed because, after all, all three are actually God. At least this is what most Christians teach.

So my question again is, why did God pray to himself?

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Think of it as a heirachy ok, like a father is
Head over the son, and the father receives
The rightful respect of the son, not because
The father is better or greater, but there is
A bloodline so to speak in how God created
The family to have.

God has headship over Jesus which is why
We also see in scripture where Jesus says,
“ dont call me good, only the Father is Perfect”
Since Jesus was still the Son, He hadnt
Attained His Godship title whereby He sits next to the Father since He rose again to be in Glory as one, yet the Father is still the Father and
The Son always the son.

Jesus also acknowledged to those who asked Him as to when will the second coming
Occur and He said only God knows that, so
Not even the Son.

When Jesus prayed to His Father, we see
That He had not been crucified yet, so yes
He prayed to God not Himself, as the best
Reasons we have to partially understand that,
Is, Christ is both human and divine, and until
He is crucified He will not be in His real divinity
As part of the Godhead.

Lastly, Mary approached Jesus to say
They ran out of wine, and Jesus replied,
“ i have not yet descended to my Father”,
Which seemed as if Jesus did not wish
To use His divinity on the earth that would
Take from His mission as being human
And to suffer as a human and die for the
Sins of the world, therefore, He none the
Less obliged Marys request in making
More wine for the guests.

I hope this helps you to understand
Jesus role as human and divine,
And why He wasnt praying to Himself
At all, since God will always be the Father,
And their oneness is in their being, only,
Since their title will always remain, Father,
Son and Holy Spirit…

PS95 said:

. As to your 2 questions-

Q1 Do I believe there are 2 Holy Spirits?

A1-- No I don't. Scripture teaches us that God is one & the Holy Spirit is of God

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Then why did Jesus say he "commend my spirit" to the Father on the cross? Why not say; OUR spirit or YOUR spirit or GOD'S spirit?

LUK 23:46* And when Jesus had cried with a loud voice, he said, Father, into thy hands I commend my spirit: and having said thus, he gave up the ghost.

PS95 said:

( when Ananias and Saphira lied- they lied to the Holy Spirit - God- Acts).

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Why didn't Peter just say "you lied to GOD" then? Or GOD's spirit? Why did Peter specifically say "the holy spirit"?

PS95 said:

The Spirit of Christ is used interchangeable with the Spirit of God. Scripture says "God was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself"

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PSA 82:6 I have said, Ye are Gods; and all of you are children of the most High.
So do "ALL" of 'them' in the OT, have the "Spirit of Christ" or the "Spirit of God" in them?

Along with the pharisees Jesus called Gods?

JOH 10:35* If he called them gods to whom the word of God came (and scripture cannot be broken),

Has "the word of God came" to you? Are you God?

PS95 said:

I believe there is one faith, one baptism, One hope, One Spirit, One God, one Lord, one flock, one shepherd- etc- don't you?

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No, I don't believe exactly like you. That's why we're dialoguing.

Which "one faith" saved you? "faith IN Christ" or "faith OF Christ"

GAL 2:16* Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ,

PHI 3:9 And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:

PS95 said:

Ephesians 4-5 4There is one body and one Spirit, just as also you were called in one hope of your calling; 5one Lord, one faith, one baptism, 6one God and Father of all who is over all and through all and in all.
+John 10:16

I believe as the scriptures teach that God lives in us/Christ lives in us/HS lives in us. Yet, this is not 3 different Spirits in us, but is of God .
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Q2 What do you believe the "one baptism" of Eph 4 refers to?
Luke 12:50* But I have a baptism to be baptized with; and how am I straitened till it be accomplished!

A2- The one baptism in Ephesians is our baptism into Christ.
I think R0 6:1-4 explains it well-

1What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound? 2God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein? 3Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death? 4Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.

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Which "one baptism" INTO JESUS CHRIST" is Romans talking about? WHEN and HOW did you experience that "one baptism."

PS95 said:

3. I am not pentecostal or charismatic if you mean by a denomination, but I do not discount any gifts nor forbid tongues, but should be used properly.

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I thought I was being specific, as to "the word of your testimony." I'm not pentecostal or charismatic by denomination either, but I DO SPEAK AND PRAY in unknown tongues.....DO YOU?

TitusTwoWife said:

@Wrangler
@PS95

I'm sorry to see you two at odds since I know both of you have demonstrated each of your own admirable qualities. Please consider forgiving each other, burying the hatchet and showing grace. Sometimes debates get heated. It happens. But were all called to teach patiently and gently.

2 Timothy 2:24
King James Version
24 And the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all men, apt to teach, patient,

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I've forgiven you also @Wrangler.
Yes, she is a treasure.