Jesus - Is He King now?

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Is Jesus King now?

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Poppin

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Daniel 2:44
"In the time of those kings, the God of heaven will set up a kingdom that will never be destroyed, nor will it be left to another people. It will crush all those kingdoms and bring them to an end, but it will itself endure forever.

Luke 1
30The angel said to her, "Do not be afraid, Mary; for you have found favor with God. 31"And behold, you will conceive in your womb and bear a son, and you shall name Him Jesus. 32"He will be great and will be called the Son of the Most High; and the Lord God will give Him the throne of His father David;

John 1
48Nathanael said to Him, "How do You know me?" Jesus answered and said to him, "Before Philip called you, when you were under the fig tree, I saw you." 49Nathanael answered Him, "Rabbi, You are the Son of God; You are the King of Israel."

Matthew 2:2
and asked, "Where is the one who has been born king of the Jews? We saw his star when it rose and have come to worship him."

Matthew 27:42
"He saved others," they said, "but he can't save himself! He's the king of Israel! Let him come down now from the cross, and we will believe in him.

Mark 15:32
Let this Messiah, this king of Israel, come down now from the cross, that we may see and believe." Those crucified with him also heaped insults on him.

Matthew 21
The Triumphal Entry
1Now when they drew near to Jerusalem and came to Bethphage, to the Mount of Olives, then Jesus sent two disciples, 2saying to them, “Go into the village in front of you, and immediately you will find a donkey tied, and a colt with her. Untie them and bring them to me. 3If anyone says anything to you, you shall say, ‘The Lord needs them,’ and he will send them at once.” 4This took place to fulfill what was spoken by the prophet, saying,

5“Say to the daughter of Zion,
‘Behold, your king is coming to you,
humble, and mounted on a donkey,
on a colt,a the foal of a beast of burden.’”

Psalm 2:6
"I have installed my king on Zion, my holy mountain."

Isaiah 6:1
In the year that King Uzziah died, I saw the Lord, high and exalted, seated on a throne; and the train of his robe filled the temple.

John 12:41
Isaiah said this because he saw Jesus' glory and spoke about him

Luke 19
35They brought it to Jesus, threw their cloaks on the colt and put Jesus on it. 36As he went along, people spread their cloaks on the road. 37When he came near the place where the road goes down the Mount of Olives, the whole crowd of disciples began joyfully to praise God in loud voices for all the miracles they had seen:

38“Blessed is the king who comes in the name of the Lord!”
“Peace in heaven and glory in the highest!”

39Some of the Pharisees in the crowd said to Jesus, “Teacher, rebuke your disciples!”
40“I tell you,” he replied, “if they keep quiet, the stones will cry out.”

41As he approached Jerusalem and saw the city, he wept over it 42and said, “If you, even you, had only known on this day what would bring you peace—but now it is hidden from your eyes. 43The days will come upon you when your enemies will build an embankment against you and encircle you and hem you in on every side. 44They will dash you to the ground, you and the children within your walls. They will not leave one stone on another, because you did not recognize the time of God’s coming to you.”

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Full Definition of KING
1
a : a male monarch of a major territorial unit; especially : one whose position is hereditary and who rules for life
b : a paramount chief
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capitalized : god, christ
3
: one that holds a preeminent position; especially : a chief among competitors

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/king


Matthew 28:18
Then Jesus came to them and said, "All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me.
 

UppsalaDragby

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Hi Poppin,

I get the feeling that sometimes God speaks of things in advance as though they were already accomplished, even though their complete fulfillment lies in the future. For example, the words "if anyone is in Christ he is a new creation" speaks about the beginning of a process that will be completely fulfilled at the resurrection of the saints.

Similarly, although all authority on heaven on earth has been given to Christ, the complete realization of that authority also seem to lie in the future:

"But when this priest had offered for all time one sacrifice for sins, he sat down at the right hand of God. Since that time he waits for his enemies to be made his footstool.
 
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Jesus is not King now He is a High Priest

There are people who are born as kings , princes etc but do they fubtion as such no they wait on an appointed time so to Jesus
 
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I believe we should not comment on such a matter until they have weighed the evidence i.e compared scripture with scripture.

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UppsalaDragby said:
Hi Poppin,

I get the feeling that sometimes God speaks of things in advance as though they were already accomplished, even though their complete fulfillment lies in the future. For example, the words "if anyone is in Christ he is a new creation" speaks about the beginning of a process that will be completely fulfilled at the resurrection of the saints.

Similarly, although all authority on heaven on earth has been given to Christ, the complete realization of that authority also seem to lie in the future:

"But when this priest had offered for all time one sacrifice for sins, he sat down at the right hand of God. Since that time he waits for his enemies to be made his footstool.
Greetings UppsalaDragby :)
I understand what you are saying about the already/not yet, and agree.
Though Jesus is King now, ruling in the midst of His enemies; He must reign until His enemies are made His footstool.
At which time we enter the eternal state, as Christ is the Judge; and after Judgment we have eternity (not an interim 1,000 year period with a coronation etc that are never mentioned in scripture).

Here we see He is indeed Priest, as you showed.

Hebrews 10
11And every priest stands daily at his service, offering repeatedly the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins. 12But when Christb had offered for all time a single sacrifice for sins, he sat down at the right hand of God, 13waiting from that time until his enemies should be made a footstool for his feet. 14For by a single offering he has perfected for all time those who are being sanctified.

But does a priest do these following things - or does a King?:

1 Corinthians 15
24then comes the end, when He hands over the kingdom to the God and Father, when He has abolished all rule and all authority and power. 25For He must reign until He has put all His enemies under His feet. 26The last enemy that will be abolished is death.

He must reign!
He must reign until his enemies should be made a footstool for his feet.
He is King & Priest now.

Why did some of Israel call Jesus the King of israel?
Some thought He was the king. They hailed Him at the Triumphal Entry.
Why would they do that?

Zechariah had foretold exactly how the King would COME:

Zechariah 9:9
Rejoice greatly, Daughter Zion! Shout, Daughter Jerusalem! See, your king comes to you, righteous and victorious, lowly and riding on a donkey, on a colt, the foal of a donkey.

so did the king come exactly as God had told them He would? Of course :)

Matthew 21:5
"Say to Daughter Zion, 'See, your king comes to you, gentle and riding on a donkey, and on a colt, the foal of a donkey.'"

He was born a king; arrived as the King of Israel; and upon His Ascension had been given ALL the authority and is King of kings, king of the world now. David's fallen tent (the "kingdom" from Israel's prespective) was restored as james said, and the signal came from OT prophecy which said at that time (the restoration) - the gentiles would be brought in - exactly as God had told Abraham.

John 18:37
Therefore Pilate said to Him, "So You are a king?" Jesus answered, "You say correctly that I am a king. For this I have been born, and for this I have come into the world, to testify to the truth. Everyone who is of the truth hears My voice."

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Mark 15:2
"Are you the king of the Jews?" asked Pilate. "You have said so," Jesus replied.

Luke 22:70
They all asked, "Are you then the Son of God?" He replied, "You say that I am."

Is Jesus the Son of God?
"You have said so,"....."You say that I am" - means "it is as you say"...or, YES.

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The Israelites called Jesus the Son of David - knowing full well it meant the one who would inherit David's throne.

The book of the generation - This is the proper title of the chapter. It is the same as to say, "the account of the ancestry or family, or the genealogical table of Jesus Christ." The phrase is common in Jewish writings. Compare Genesis 5:1. "This is the book of the generations of Adam," i. e., the genealogical table of the family or descendants of Adam. See also Genesis 6:9. The Jews, moreover, as we do, kept such tables of their own families. and it is probable that this was copied from the record of the family of Joseph.
Jesus - See the notes at Matthew 1:21.

Christ - The word "Christ" is a Greek word, Χριστός Christos, signifying "anointed." The Hebrew word, משׁיח mâshı̂yach, signifying the same is "Messiah." Hence, Jesus is called either the Messiah, or the Christ, meaning the same thing. The Jews speak of the Messiah; Christians speak of him as the Christ.

In ancient times, when kings and priests were set apart to their office, they were anointed with oil, Leviticus 4:3; Leviticus 6:20; Exodus 28:41; Exodus 29:7; 1 Samuel 9:16; 1 Samuel 15:1; 2 Samuel 23:1. To anoint, therefore, means often the same as to consecrate, or to set apart to an office. Hence, those thus set apart are said to be anointed, or to be the anointed of God. It is for this reason that the name is given to the Lord Jesus. Compare the notes at Daniel 9:24. He was set apart by God to be the King, and High Priest, and Prophet of his people. Anointing with oil was, moreover, supposed to be emblematic of the influences of the Holy Spirit; and since God gave him the Spirit without measure John 3:34, so he is especially called "the Anointed of God."

The Son of David - The word "son" among the Jews had a great variety of significations. It means literally a son; then a grandson; a descendant: an adopted son; a disciple, or one who is an object of tender affection one who is to us as a son. In this place it means a descendant of David; or one who was of the family of David. It was important to trace the genealogy of Jesus up to David, because the promise had been made that the Messiah should be of his family, and all the Jews expected that it would be so. It would be impossible, therefore, to convince a Jew that Jesus was the Messiah, unless it could be shown that he was descended from David. See Jeremiah 23:5; Psalm 132:10-11, compared with Acts 13:23, and John 7:42.

http://biblehub.com/commentaries/matthew/1-1.htm

Why do we so quickly believe Jesus is an invisible (in the heavens but literal) Priest, yet we will not believe He is King?

Look what happened to those in the 1st century who would have none of His actually being their KING:

Luke 19
35They brought it to Jesus, threw their cloaks on the colt and put Jesus on it. 36As he went along, people spread their cloaks on the road. 37When he came near the place where the road goes down the Mount of Olives, the whole crowd of disciples began joyfully to praise God in loud voices for all the miracles they had seen:

38“Blessed is the king who comes in the name of the Lord!”
“Peace in heaven and glory in the highest!”

39Some of the Pharisees in the crowd said to Jesus, “Teacher, rebuke your disciples!”
40“I tell you,” he replied, “if they keep quiet, the stones will cry out.”

41As he approached Jerusalem and saw the city, he wept over it 42and said, “If you, even you, had only known on this day what would bring you peace—but now it is hidden from your eyes. 43The days will come upon you when your enemies will build an embankment against you and encircle you and hem you in on every side. 44They will dash you to the ground, you and the children within your walls. They will not leave one stone on another, because you did not recognize the time of God’s coming to you.”


No rebuke for calling Jesus the king.
In fact, a dreadful prophecy (from Christ THE PROPHET) about the tenants who would not have Him to rule over them...and it came to pass exactly.
If we read that passage carefully, Look WHY Judgment came to Jerusalem!
the rejection of the KING!

The peace he brought was not what they wanted.
They wanted a visible military ruler sitting in Jerusalem.
But what did Jesus say? That they didn't KNOW what peace was.

“Peace in heaven"
"If you, even you, had only known on this day what would bring you peace—but now it is hidden from your eyes."
“Peace in heaven"

Reconcilation with God is peace. Those who reject the King are not reconciled to God and are His enemies yet.
He is our Peace.

Ephesians 2
For he himself is our peace, who has made the two groups one and has destroyed the barrier, the dividing wall of hostility,

Acts 2
30"And so, because he [DAVID] was a prophet and knew that GOD HAD SWORN TO HIM WITH AN OATH TO SEAT one OF HIS DESCENDANTS ON HIS THRONE, 31he looked ahead and spoke of the resurrection of the Christ, that HE WAS NEITHER ABANDONED TO HADES, NOR DID His flesh SUFFER DECAY. 32"This Jesus God raised up again, to which we are all witnesses

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This happened at the resurrection & ascension. He returned and told His disciples He had been given ALL Authority:

Daniel 7:13
"In my vision at night I looked, and there before me was one like a son of man, coming with the clouds of heaven. He approached the Ancient of Days and was led into his presence.

"coming with the clouds of heaven. He approached the Ancient of Days and was led into his presence." - we see He is going UP TO heaven in the cloud. Just as he left the Mount of Transfiguration.

Daniel 7:14
He was given authority, glory and sovereign power; all nations and peoples of every language worshiped him. His dominion is an everlasting dominion that will not pass away, and his kingdom is one that will never be destroyed.

Acts 2
33"Therefore having been exalted to the right hand of God, and having received from the Father the promise of the Holy Spirit, He has poured forth this which you both see and hear. 34"For it was not David who ascended into heaven, but he himself says: 'THE LORD SAID TO MY LORD, "SIT AT MY RIGHT HAND, 35UNTIL I MAKE YOUR ENEMIES A FOOTSTOOL FOR YOUR FEET."'
 

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Thanks Poppin :)

I understand Jesus is king and have no problem with that. I'm just trying to get a better picture of what that means in the entire scheme of things.
I'm not too sure I agree with you about the millenium, but on the other hand it isn't something I am dogmatic about.

Cheers
Uppsala
 
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Hey Uppsala! :)

Revelation 1:5
4John to the seven churches that are in Asia: Grace to you and peace, from Him who is and who was and who is to come, and from the seven Spirits who are before His throne, 5and from Jesus Christ, the faithful witness, the firstborn of the dead, and the ruler of the kings of the earth.

Who rules the kings of the earth except a King of kings?
God Bless you
Poppin

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Psalm 110

http://biblehub.com/esv/psalms/110.htm

Jesus Priest and King at the same time :)
Amen
 
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Hey Uppsala! :)

Revelation 1:5
4John to the seven churches that are in Asia: Grace to you and peace, from Him who is and who was and who is to come, and from the seven Spirits who are before His throne, 5and from Jesus Christ, the faithful witness, the firstborn of the dead, and the ruler of the kings of the earth.

Who rules the kings of the earth except a King of kings?
God Bless you
Poppin

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Psalm 110

http://biblehub.com/esv/psalms/110.htm

Jesus Priest and King at the same time :)
Amen
Poppin is correct.

"The prince of the kings of the earth" - This proclaims his status as King of kings and Lord of lords to be manifested on earth at his coming (Rev 17:14). He will then reign in company with the glorified elect (Rev. 5:9-10; 20:4). The drama of the Divine purpose is that the one crucified as a criminal will become chief of the glorified rulers of the age to come. To the amazement of flesh, the prince that it put to death 2000 years ago (Dan. 8:11), will be manifested in power as the Prince of princes, to discipline and subdue it (Dan. 8:25). In the light of that expressed in this verse: from witness, to resurrection, to exaltation to power.

"That loved us" - The Greek is in the continuous tense: "who loves us". Christ not only died for us, but continues to act as our representative before the throne of grace (1 John 2:1-2),
that he might "prepare a place" for us (John 14:1-2). Both Father and Son are deeply interested in our eternal salvation, and will do their part to secure it (Rom 8:34-39). The question remains: will we do our part?

"Washed us from our sins in his own blood" - Cp. Rev. 7:14; Acts 20:28; Heb. 9:22; See 1 John 1:7.

Jesus is King of Kings in spiritual realms but yet to be manifested naturally in the earth.

Though we reverence him today as King.

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Eph 1:19 And what is the exceeding greatness of his power to us-ward who believe, according to the working of his mighty power,
Eph 1:20 Which he wrought in Christ, when he raised him from the dead, and set him at his own right hand in the heavenly places,
Eph 1:21 Far above all principality, and power, and might, and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this world, but also in that which is to come:
This world was the world they were living in (law) that which is to come was (grace)
Eph 1:22 And hath put all things under his feet, and gave him to be the head over all things to the church,
All things under his feet includes his enemies. (wicked Jews of that time)
Eph 3:21 Unto him be glory in the church by Christ Jesus throughout all ages, world without end. Amen.
The age of (grace) is world without end

Dan 4:3 How great are his signs! and how mighty are his wonders! his kingdom is an everlasting kingdom, and his dominion is from generation to generation.

Everlasting kingdom and his dominion is from generation to generation.


Heb 2:7 Thou madest him a little lower than the angels; thou crownedst him with glory and honour, and didst set him over the works of thy hands:
Heb 2:8 Thou hast put all things in subjection under his feet. For in that he put all in subjection under him, he left nothing that is not put under him. But now we see not yet all things put under him.
Heb 2:9 But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.
Heb 2:10 For it became him, for whom are all things, and by whom are all things, in bringing many sons unto glory, to make the captain of their salvation perfect through sufferings.
Heb 2:11 For both he that sanctifieth and they who are sanctified are all of one: for which cause he is not ashamed to call them brethren,
Heb 2:12 Saying, I will declare thy name unto my brethren, in the midst of the church will I sing praise unto thee.
Heb 2:13 And again, I will put my trust in him. And again, Behold I and the children which God hath given me.
Heb 2:14 Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil;
Heb 2:15 And deliver them who through fear of death were all their lifetime subject to bondage.
Heb 2:16 For verily he took not on him the nature of angels; but he took on him the seed of Abraham.
Heb 2:17 Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto his brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people.
Heb 2:18 For in that he himself hath suffered being tempted, he is able to succour them that are tempted.
 

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Poppin said:
Hey Uppsala! :)

Revelation 1:5
4John to the seven churches that are in Asia: Grace to you and peace, from Him who is and who was and who is to come, and from the seven Spirits who are before His throne, 5and from Jesus Christ, the faithful witness, the firstborn of the dead, and the ruler of the kings of the earth.

Who rules the kings of the earth except a King of kings?
God Bless you
Poppin

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Psalm 110

http://biblehub.com/esv/psalms/110.htm

Jesus Priest and King at the same time :)
Amen
Yes I agree Popin - Jesus is both Priest and King. That is what scripture clearly declares.

One thing I struggle with though, is whether or not Jesus enemies should be considered to be a part of his kingdom. Scripture points out that believers inherit the kingdom, whereas the wicked do not, and that makes sense because a kingdom that is divided against itself, according to Jesus, is destined to fall. So when Jesus rules over the kings of the earth, I guess those kings who clearly do not acknowledge his authority, are not subjects of his kingdom or even part of it, but simply puppet kingdoms under his control. Is that how you see it?

Another thing that I am currently pondering about has to do with the future "physical" kingdom of Israel, which, if I am not mistaken, is something you do not believe will occur. Jesus said that his kingdom was "not of this earth", so I can imagine that a future kingdom wouldn't be considered "his kingdom", but perhaps a shadow of it.

The verses that I think gives support for the establishment of such a kingdom are Acts 1:6,7:

"So when they met together, they asked him, "Lord, are you at this time going to restore the kingdom to Israel?" He said to them: "It is not for you to know the times or dates the Father has set by his own authority.

It seems to me that Jesus answer strongly implies that this event was definitely scheduled to occur, but that it was not for them to know exactly when.

What are your thoughts about this?
 

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Rocky Wiley said:
Eph 1:19 And what is the exceeding greatness of his power to us-ward who believe, according to the working of his mighty power,
Eph 1:20 Which he wrought in Christ, when he raised him from the dead, and set him at his own right hand in the heavenly places,
Eph 1:21 Far above all principality, and power, and might, and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this world, but also in that which is to come:
This world was the world they were living in (law) that which is to come was (grace)
Eph 1:22 And hath put all things under his feet, and gave him to be the head over all things to the church,
All things under his feet includes his enemies. (wicked Jews of that time)
Eph 3:21 Unto him be glory in the church by Christ Jesus throughout all ages, world without end. Amen.
The age of (grace) is world without end

Dan 4:3 How great are his signs! and how mighty are his wonders! his kingdom is an everlasting kingdom, and his dominion is from generation to generation.

Everlasting kingdom and his dominion is from generation to generation.


Heb 2:7 Thou madest him a little lower than the angels; thou crownedst him with glory and honour, and didst set him over the works of thy hands:
Heb 2:8 Thou hast put all things in subjection under his feet. For in that he put all in subjection under him, he left nothing that is not put under him. But now we see not yet all things put under him.
Heb 2:9 But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.
Heb 2:10 For it became him, for whom are all things, and by whom are all things, in bringing many sons unto glory, to make the captain of their salvation perfect through sufferings.
Heb 2:11 For both he that sanctifieth and they who are sanctified are all of one: for which cause he is not ashamed to call them brethren,
Heb 2:12 Saying, I will declare thy name unto my brethren, in the midst of the church will I sing praise unto thee.
Heb 2:13 And again, I will put my trust in him. And again, Behold I and the children which God hath given me.
Heb 2:14 Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil;
Heb 2:15 And deliver them who through fear of death were all their lifetime subject to bondage.
Heb 2:16 For verily he took not on him the nature of angels; but he took on him the seed of Abraham.
Heb 2:17 Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto his brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people.
Heb 2:18 For in that he himself hath suffered being tempted, he is able to succour them that are tempted.
Hi Rocky!
I like this post very much, for it makes it CLEAR that Jesus is indeed King over all - heaven and earth - right now:

Eph 1:20 Which he wrought in Christ, when he raised him from the dead, and set him at his own right hand in the heavenly places,
Eph 1:21 Far above all principality, and power, and might, and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this world, but also in that which is to come:

If the part in blue does not describe an absolute King over EVERYTHING, i don;t know what would.
If His being at God's right hand (power); far above all principality, and power, and might, and dominion, and every name that is named without being King...what would being King look like??

But here is where I disagree with you:

Eph 1:21 Far above all principality, and power, and might, and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this world, but also in that which is to come:
This world was the world they were living in (law) that which is to come was (grace)
Eph 1:22 And hath put all things under his feet, and gave him to be the head over all things to the church,
All things under his feet includes his enemies. (wicked Jews of that time)
Eph 3:21 Unto him be glory in the church by Christ Jesus throughout all ages, world without end. Amen.
The age of (grace) is world without end


Because Christ had long Ascended; the Gospel had gone virtually exclusively to Jews for years, then went out to all the gentiles - already in the AGE OF GRACE (as you call it), though I would call it the New Covenant Age.

Here's where we might want to take another look (i may be wrong, you may be right...let us examine the matter in full - it's important! :) ):

THIS WORLD and THE WORLD TO COME: TWO AGES OR WORLDS

This world was the world they were living in (law) that which is to come was (grace)

But Paul wasn't teaching Law in Eph. He was teaching the Grace of God to forgive freely through faith.
And salvation has never been by the Law.

I believe Jesus when discussing the world that now is,meant this age right up the Second Coming (The Age of Salvation; to this day unbelieving the jews call it the Messianic Age - Age of the Messiah...BUT - they MISSED Him the first time and still waiting for the age of salvation (this world/age) - which is actually NOW)

and the world to come is ETERNITY.

to keep myself from being the super long poster on this thread - hahaha....i am starting one JUST for us to discuss the Two Ages.
it will be very helpful, I believe. I will start it, then link back to to it here....let us discuss it!

Love to you in Jesus Christ
Poppin

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EDIT: Hi Rocky :)

Here is a thread for examining the TWO AGES.
You brought up a very important part of the puzzle.


this age, and the age to come
What are the two ages?
May we examine them?


http://www.christianityboard.com/topic/19835-this-age-and-the-age-to-come/

UppsalaDragby said:
Yes I agree Popin - Jesus is both Priest and King. That is what scripture clearly declares.

AMEN

One thing I struggle with though, is whether or not Jesus enemies should be considered to be a part of his kingdom. Scripture points out that believers inherit the kingdom, whereas the wicked do not, and that makes sense because a kingdom that is divided against itself, according to Jesus, is destined to fall. So when Jesus rules over the kings of the earth, I guess those kings who clearly do not acknowledge his authority, are not subjects of his kingdom or even part of it, but simply puppet kingdoms under his control. Is that how you see it?
Good morning, Uppsala!
God's riches blessings to you, and to all!

Well, that's an awesome post. Nicely expressed. Yes, that's fairly close to how I would view it, except, the rebels in His Kingdom are still in His kingdom...like it or not! LOL.

The Bible says He rules in the midst of His enemies.
And it declares that the wheat and the tares will GROW TOGETHER until the end.
The Bible says Jesus upholds all things by the word of His power, and it says men make plans, but God orders their steps.

"puppet-kings"...I think that would be reasonable. They do His bidding eventually whether they like it or know it or not.
We see this in the OT, don't we :)

BUT - my position is that Our King, though He has a rod of Iron (which actually means scepter - kings pointed it or motioned with it and their courtiers and advisers knew what he wanted) He used His scepter as a rod - this is not a military weapon, it is a symbol of His Authority.....you can see this in Esther and in secular history of Monarchs....while He does hold and use His scepter; He is a Good King and Ruler who would have ALL His enemies submit to Him - and be saved! (they won't of course, but His Rule is Righteousness and he seeks obedience and harmony in His kingdom.

The Bible declares that He primarily is ruling OVER but also THROUGH HIS CHURCH! To what end?: Dominionism and Dictatorship/ Christian Theocracy on earth? NO! He is saving men! even His enemies (you and i were once His enemies).

And He is doing it through the Gospel, the great Mystery, His eternal purpose....and why?

Look!:

Ephesians 3
The Mystery of the Gospel
9and to bring to light what is the administration of the mystery which for ages has been hidden in God who created all things; 10so that the manifold wisdom of God might now be made known through the church to the rulers and the authorities in the heavenly places. 11This was in accordance with the eternal purpose which He carried out in Christ Jesus our Lord,

!! He is working to save lowly MEN, on earth...through the Gospel - to show His wisdom to rulers and the authorities in the heavenly places! Saving them FOR the eternal state.

Simply put, this is what is happening right now - He rules all - even the kings of the earth...BUT...what is He doing ultimately?:

Colossians 1
12giving thanks to the Father, who has qualified us to share in the inheritance of the saints in Light. 13For He rescued us from the domain of darkness, and transferred us to the kingdom of His beloved Son, 14in whom we have redemption, the forgiveness of sins

:) :)

He is transferring repentant enemies (saving them) to New Jerusalem and eternity.
His unrepentant enemies will go away into eternal fire, unfortunately.
 

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Jesus became king--after recieving his crown after his first ride on the white horse-rev 6)--he will ride one more time at Harmageddon.
 

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Of course Jesus Christ is King now and always. He reigns in the hearts of the just and sets in order His creation. There is no one who is not under Him and subject to His judgments.
 

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Elizabeth said:
Of course Jesus Christ is King now and always. He reigns in the hearts of the just and sets in order His creation. There is no one who is not under Him and subject to His judgments.


Actually after the millennial reign of Gods appointed king ( Daniel 7:13,14) he hands back the kingdom to his God and Father and becomes in subjection like all of us are. 1 Corinthians 15:24-28-- you see if one believes Jesus over mens dogmas--Jesus teaches he has a God like we do--his Father-John 20:17, rev 3:12
 

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kjw47 said:
Of course Jesus Christ is King now and always. He reigns in the hearts of the just and sets in order His creation. There is no one who is not under Him and subject to His judgments.


Actually after the millennial reign of Gods appointed king ( Daniel 7:13,14) he hands back the kingdom to his God and Father and becomes in subjection like all of us are. 1 Corinthians 15:24-28-- you see if one believes Jesus over mens dogmas--Jesus teaches he has a God like we do--his Father-John 20:17, rev 3:12
If you believed Jesus you would accept the fact that Jesus is God.
 

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Elizabeth said:
If you believed Jesus you would accept the fact that Jesus is God.

Jesus never said he was God. Paul even taught, only the Father is God-1 Corinthians 8:6) So does Jesus-John 17:1-6--verse 6 = YHWH(Jehovah)
 

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It depends what you mean by "King now"?
The God of this world at present is Satan!
Most people, Groups and teachers do not acknowledge this fact!
At present, the Risen Lord is seated at the right hand of God, awaiting His next function, to release the seals of Revelation; of which only He is worthy to do!
In the mean time, people on earth will in many cases acknowledge Satan instead of God; some in error, some by design!
The key to the timing of the next major events is Israel, and our Lord's words from Matt.24!
So; is He King now? No, He is in abeyance until the Father gives the signal for the "seal" to be opened!
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Hello Purity.
The god of this world at present is Satan; as was confirmed by Jesus, and Paul.
No, you are wrong re. your comment, Satan is not destroyed until the end of the Kingdom of God on Earth, called by Christians "the Millennial".
This clear from Rev.20, which describes his future imprisonment, and his destruction 1000 years later.
Your quote is future, and Paul's detailed description of our Lord's victory; now in abeyance, awaiting the end time events of Israel.
Regards.
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Jesus is king now in heaven--Gods kingdom is firmly established in heaven--satan and his angels were cast to the vicinity of this earth after the first ride of the white horse with Jesus on it-rev 6--and he received his crown---the 2nd ride of the white horse is Gods king leading Gods armies to the earth at Harmageddon to rid it of all wickedness.