Denying Reality

What "reality" and what "fantacy" are you talking about?
I agree, God doesn't care about what you know or don't know, He only cares about your heart of passion towards Him and your heart of compassion towards others.
I would like you to be a little more specific about the point you are making....

Christianity requires one to have faith in Gods word .. even when the world says what we believe is impossible .yet Gods word s the only absolute truth .

Some day when God parts the red sea for us to see every thing he said was true Faith in God and his word wont be humiliated like the unbelieving worlds THEIR facts will be humiliated.

I don't see how you think God tricks people by fossils ?

its very evident if you read genesis God created a mature earth..

and fossils would be a part of a mature earth.

the day the trees were created they also would have had many tree rings if you or I were able to cut them with chain saws and count.


I would just bet eve would have had curves to..

lukethreesix said:

What "reality" and what "fantacy" are you talking about?
I agree, God doesn't care about what you know or don't know, He only cares about your heart of passion towards Him and your heart of compassion towards others.
I would like you to be a little more specific about the point you are making....

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sorry I doubt Jesus said if you love me ...you will follow only some of my teachings?

that's not in my bible .. Jesus does say however if you love me follow my teaching's..

WHY because every thing Jesus teaches IN THE BIBLE is important to our faith in him .
IF HE DIDNT WANT US TO KNOW ABOUT CREATION IT WOULD NOT BE IN THE BIBLE..

he tells us about Satan and to watch out for him and false profits also.. he wants us to be aware of these things.

its simply not true he only cares about our relation ship with him and others..

God cares a whole lot more about us than just that... he even cares to know how many hairs we have.

if were sad or happy if we have had to much or to little to eat each day..

he even wants to hear from us in prayer even about uneventful things because he cares much more
than just the two things mentioned..

aspen said:

Do you believe that being a Christian requires you to deny reality? That God purposely tricks sinners with fossils and acadamia? Here is some good news for everyone who enjoys thinking....God wants to be in relationship with you - he loves you despite your limitations. He could careless what you know - He is interested in how you relate to Him and your neighbor. Does He care about how powerful you think he is - nope. Does He care about how you feel about the Bible - nope. How about if you draw conclusions about reality based on evidence not covered in the Bible - He could careless. You know how i know? No Suhar, i am not a god - i just know the God of the universe and i believe what He says about His own character. It is impossible to be both Good and Evil. God says He is Good - i believe Him.

Therefore, i enjoy fantasy. but i believe in consistant, repeatable reality. However, one of the differences between the fundamentalist Chistian and myself - i know the difference between reality and fantasy. Materialists are absolutely correct - as far as the evidence leads them; their problem is their limitations - they have a lot in common with Bible literalists.

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bill Nye the so called science guy is the one proven to deny reality..

come watch and hear his silly remarks that prove it..

TAKEN FROM BILL NYE'S BIG THINK VIDEO..

it very apparent bill Nye for got to THINK IN THIS VIDEO OF HIS..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qxqnfk9MtMU

I have a lot of trouble believing in a God that deliberately deceives by creating fossils of creatures that never existed, tree rings of years that never occurred, and starlight showing events that didn't happen.

aspen said:

That God purposely tricks sinners with fossils and acadamia?

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God does not trick sinners but you have been tricked by bunch of dead bones into become one. What is your explanation of "Cambrian explosion"?

River Jordan said:

I have a lot of trouble believing in a God that deliberately deceives by creating fossils of creatures that never existed, tree rings of years that never occurred, and starlight showing events that didn't happen.

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You have a trouble believing in God that did none of those by making yourself into a "god" of your own.

aspen said:

'God does not trick sinners, but you have been tricked.......,'

oh brother...

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Coming from an experts on being tricked it is a compliment.

Yet another thread with the same subject.

The creatures in fossils did exist, tree rings are only accurate as far as your understanding of weather and "years" is accurate, before God created light the heavens were up there. How long? We don't know. Maybe 13.7 billion years, maybe not.

Light years is a measure of distance, not time. Have you ever even considered your concept if time may not be inaccurate? I know, of course not.

ChristianJuggarnaut said:

Yet another thread with the same subject.

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With a same, utterly confused subject.... you!

I do not think God employs trickery

That is the Devils domain

Keep your eyes open in case the Devil comes up with a clever explanation that eliminates the function of a Creator

After all , if you remove the Creator you remove The Son also.

The mission is accomplished

Many Christians are willing accomplices.

I am not one of them

Thank you.

Arnie Manitoba said:

I do not think God employs trickery

That is the Devils domain

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Indeed! You are an expert on being tricked. Thank you for your input. It is much appreciated.

Why am I confused?

aspen : Therefore, i enjoy fantasy. but i believe in consistant, repeatable reality.

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Not interested in fantasy.

There used to be a massive fantasy; what they call "Origin of Life".

There used to be tons and tons of theories on the Origin of Life; reality challenged evolutionist used to demand that all these theories be accepted as facts, LOL.

Then reality happened!

It ALL turned out to be real stupid ignorant assumptions built on top of other goofy guesses.

Currently, in real reality; there's not a single working theory of how life could exist without God creating if.

Not two ... not one ... not any ... zero ... workable theories of how Life could exist without God.

Not only ... nobody has a clue of where to look ... some looking at the bottom of the ocean ... Mars ... Moons ... don't have a clue.

LOL ... don't even know what they're looking for.

I enjoy reality ... not goofy fantasies.

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nobody has a clue of where to look

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That's not what I keep seeing...


Scientists discover new clue to the chemical origins of life
Posted on 24 January 2012
Organic chemists at the University of York have made a significant advance towards establishing the origin of the carbohydrates (sugars) that form the building blocks of life.

River Jordan said:

That's not what I keep seeing...

Scientists discover new clue to the chemical origins of life
Posted on 24 January 2012
Organic chemists at the University of York have made a significant advance towards establishing the origin of the carbohydrates (sugars) that form the building blocks of life.

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Hi River .... the trouble with me is that I see an article like that , I read it carefully .... and it proves that evolution is not an established fact.

Sorry to be so objective .... but the researchers are still searching ..... that is a long way from the claim evolution is a proven scientific fact




The article says :

-- Organic chemists at the University of York have made a significant advance towards establishing the origin of the carbohydrates (sugars) that form the building blocks of life.

-- A team led by Dr Paul Clarke in the Department of Chemistry at York have re-created a process which could have occurred in the prebiotic world

-- they have made the first step towards showing how simple sugars – threose and erythrose – developed.

-- It could explain how carbohydrates originated and why the right-handed form dominates in nature.

-- Dr Clarke said: “There are a lot of fundamental questions about the origins of life and many people think they are questions about biology. But for life to have evolved, you have to have a moment when non-living things become living – everything up to that point is chemistry.

-- “We are trying to understand the chemical origins of life.

-- What we have achieved is the first step on that pathway to show how simple sugars – threose and erythrose – originated

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Arnie Manitoba said:

Hi River .... the trouble with me is that I see an article like that , I read it carefully .... and it proves that evolution is not an established fact.

Sorry to be so objective .... but the researchers are still searching ..... that is a long way from the claim evolution is a proven scientific fact

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Unbelievable. All you're showing is that all the time and effort people have put into trying to explain to you what evolution is, what abiogenesis is, and what fact and theory mean in science.....

....was a total and complete waste of time.

The only question remaining is whether it's because you are unable to understand these subjects (I doubt it) or unwilling to (I think that's it).

River Jordan said:

Unbelievable. All you're showing is that all the time and effort people have put into trying to explain to you what evolution is

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Those people have to know what evolution is first and you do not. Slight variation, mutation within a specie is not evolution and not a proof of one specie becoming another.

The only way you're able to keep repeating that is by ignoring a very basic question...

If we have two populations that are unable to breed with each other, but are able to breed among themselves, are they two different species? If not, what is your definition of species?

River Jordan said:

The only way you're able to keep repeating that is by ignoring a very basic question...

If we have two populations that are unable to breed with each other, but are able to breed among themselves, are they two different species? If not, what is your definition of species?

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Show me one example of bacteria becoming fish.... becoming lizard... becoming monkey.... you know the picture of evolution. Do not try behind one leaf of grass becoming another leaf of grass that looks identical and does same thing. I do not know if you are skinny but you cannot possibly skinny enough to hide behind that.